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Why Chávez Was Re-elected
Oct 10th 2012, by Mark Weisbrot

For most people who have heard or read about Hugo Chávez in the international media, his reelection on Sunday as president of Venezuela by a convincing margin might be puzzling.

Almost all of the news we hear about him is bad: He picks fights with the United States and sides with “enemies” such as Iran; he is a “dictator” or “strongman” who has squandered the nation’s oil wealth; the Venezuelan economy is plagued by shortages and is usually on the brink of collapse.

Then there is the other side of the story: Since the Chávez government got control over the national oil industry, poverty has been cut by half, and extreme poverty by 70 percent. College enrollment has more than doubled, millions of people have access to health care for the first time and the number of people eligible for public pensions has quadrupled.

So it should not be surprising that most Venezuelans would reelect a president who has improved their living standards. That’s what has happened with all of the leftist governments that now govern most of South America. This is despite the fact that they, like Chávez, have most of their countries’ media against them, and their opposition has most of the wealth and income of their respective countries.

The list includes Rafael Correa, who was reelected president of Ecuador by a wide margin in 2009; the enormously popular Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva of Brazil, who was reelected in 2006 and then successfully campaigned for his former chief of staff, now President Dilma Rousseff, in 2010; Evo Morales, Bolvia’s first indigenous president, who was reelected in 2009; José Mujica, who succeeded his predecessor from the same political alliance in Uruguay — the Frente Amplio — in 2009; Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, who succeeded her husband, the late Néstor Kirchner, winning the 2011 Argentine presidential election by a solid margin.

These leftist presidents and their political parties won reelection because, like Chávez, they brought significant — and in some cases huge — improvements in living standards. They all originally campaigned against “neoliberalism,” a word used to describe the policies of the prior 20 years, when Latin America experienced its worst economic growth in more than a century.

Not surprisingly, the leftist leaders have seen Venezuela as part of a team that has brought more democracy, national sovereignty and economic and social progress to the region. Yes, democracy: even the much-maligned Venezuela is recognized by many scholars to be more democratic than it was in the pre-Chávez era.

Democracy was at issue when South America stood together against Washington on such issues as the 2009 military coup in Honduras. The differences were so pronounced that they led to the formation of a new hemisphere-wide organization — the Community of Latin American and Caribbean States, which excluded the United States and Canada — as an alternative to the U.S.-dominated Organization of American States.

Here is what Lula said last month about the Venezuelan election: “A victory for Chávez is not just a victory for the people of Venezuela but also a victory for all the people of Latin America … this victory will strike another blow against imperialism.”

The administration of George W. Bush pursued a strategy of trying to isolate Venezuela from its neighbors, and ended up isolating itself. President Obama has continued this policy, and at the 2012 Summit of the Americas in Colombia he was as isolated as his predecessor.

Although some media have talked of Venezuela’s impending economic collapse for more than a decade, it hasn’t happened and is not likely to happen.

After recovering from a recession that began in 2009, the Venezuelan economy has been growing for two-and-a-half years now and inflation has fallen sharply while growth has accelerated. The country has a sizeable trade surplus. Its public debt is relatively low, and so is its debt-service burden. It has plenty of room to borrow foreign currency (it has borrowed $36 billion from China [pdf], mostly at very low interest rates), and can borrow domestically as well at low or negative real interest rates.

So even if oil prices were to crash temporarily (as they did in 2008-2009), there would be no need for austerity or recession. And hardly anyone is predicting a long-term collapse of oil prices.

Venezuela’s economy does have long-term problems, such as relatively high inflation and inadequate infrastructure. But the substantial improvement in people’s income (the average income has risen much faster than inflation under Chávez), plus gains in health care and education, seems to have outweighed the government’s failings in other areas, including law enforcement, in the minds of most voters.

The U.S. economic embargo against Cuba has persisted for more than half a century, despite its obvious stupidity and failure. American hostility toward Venezuela is only about 12 years old, but shows no sign of being reconsidered, despite the evidence that it is also alienating the rest of the hemisphere.

Venezuela has about 500 billion barrels of oil and is burning them currently at a rate of one billion barrels a year. Chávez or a successor from his party will likely be governing the country for many years to come. The only question is when — if ever — Washington will accept the results of democratic change in the region.

http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/7343


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Thanx for the article, Endo

Am a friend of Chavez

but

Endo ,

something missing here

Saudi Arabia (Qatar, UAE, Kuwait, etc) live from Oil income

So does Venezuela

Only difference between Saudi Arabia and Venezuela, is, the Oil wealth distribution

In Saudi Arabia Oil wealth goes to Yachts and private B474 and hookers for the Sheiks

In Venezuela it goes to the mass of population .. similar to Qadafi's Libya

That is the only difference

Yes, Chavez is a good human being .. and .. the Sheiks are beast and animals

true

but

truth is

there is no wealth generated neither in Venezuela nor Saudi Arabia

Both nations live from oil income

but Oil is @ 110 $/barrel only because "wealth generating" west pays for that price

otherwise Oil would be worthless

in that sense

Saudi Arabia and Venezuela having a free ride

Nations, people, must create wealth and live from that "created wealth"

Selling Oil is not creating wealth

That is the issue America (and I) saying .. create wealth

So far, so good, for Venezuela .. but next step should be :

Venezuela, Saudi Arabia and and, must invest in educating scientist to start doing what best fits to their historical capability

That is what Iran is doing



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A serious analysis of Venezuela's economy which is worth reading:

http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/7513
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Endovelico wrote:A serious analysis of Venezuela's economy which is worth reading:

http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/7513
Indeed ever since Oliver Stone won the Nobel prize for economics he is at least as qualified as Krugman to speak about economics. ;)
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Why Is Cuba's Health Care System the Best Model for Poor Countries?
December 09, 2012 - By Don Fitz

Furious though it may be, the current debate over health care in the US is largely irrelevant to charting a path for poor countries of Africa, Latin America, Asia, and the Pacific Islands. That is because the US squanders perhaps 10 to 20 times what is needed for a good, affordable medical system. The waste is far more than 30% overhead by private insurance companies. It includes an enormous amount of over-treatment, creation of illnesses, exposure to contagion through over-hospitalization, disease-focused instead of prevention-focused research, and making the poor sicker by refusing them treatment.1

Poor countries simply cannot afford such a health system. Well over 100 countries are looking to the example of Cuba, which has the same 78-year life expectancy of the US while spending 4% per person annually of what the US does.2

The most revolutionary idea of the Cuban system is doctors living in the neighborhoods they serve. A doctor-nurse team are part of the community and know their patients well because they live at (or near) the consultorio (doctor's office) where they work. Consultorios are backed up by policlínicos which provide services during off-hours and offer a wide variety of specialists. Policlínicos coordinate community health delivery and link nationally-designed health initiatives with their local implementation.

Cubans call their system medicina general integral (MGI, comprehensive general medicine). Its programs focus on preventing people from getting diseases and treating them as rapidly as possible.

This has made Cuba extremely effective in control of everyday health issues. Having doctors' offices in every neighborhood has brought the Cuban infant mortality rate below that of the US and less than half that of US Blacks.3 Cuba has a record unmatched in dealing with chronic and infectious diseases with amazingly limited resources. These include (with date eradicated): polio (1962), malaria (1967), neonatal tetanus (1972), diphtheria (1979), congenital rubella syndrome (1989), post-mumps meningitis (1989), measles (1993), rubella (1995), and TB meningitis (1997).4

The MGI integration of neighborhood doctors' offices with area clinics and a national hospital system also means the country responds well to emergencies. It has the ability to evacuate entire cities during a hurricane largely because consultorio staff know everyone in their neighborhood and know who to call for help getting disabled residents out of harm's way. At the time when New York City (roughly the same population as Cuba) had 43,000 cases of AIDS, Cuba had 200 AIDS patients.5 More recent emergencies such as outbreaks of dengue fever are quickly followed by national mobilizations.6

Perhaps the most amazing aspect of Cuban medicine is that, despite its being a poor country itself, Cuba has sent over 124,000 health care professionals to provide care to 154 countries.7 In addition to providing preventive medicine Cuba sends response teams following emergencies (such as earthquakes and hurricanes) and has over 20,000 students from other countries studying to be doctors at its Latin American School of Medicine in Havana (ELAM, Escuela Latinoamericana de Medicina).8

In a recent Monthly Review article, I gave in-depth descriptions of ELAM students participating in Cuban medical efforts in Haiti, Ghana, and Peru.9 What follows are 10 generalizations from Cuba's extensive experience in developing medical science and sharing its approach with poor countries throughout the world. The concepts form the basis of the New Global Medicine and summarize what many authors have observed in dozens of articles and books.

First, it is not necessary to focus on expensive technology as the initial approach to medical care. Cuban doctors use machines that are available, but they have an amazing ability to treat disaster victims with field surgery. They are very aware that most lives are saved through preventive medicine such as nutrition and hygiene and that traditional cultures have their own healing wisdom. This is in direct contrast to Western medicine, especially as is dominant in the US, which uses costly diagnostic and treatment techniques as the first approach and is contemptuous of natural and alternative approaches.

Second, doctors must be part of the communities where they are working. This could mean living in the same neighborhood as a Peruvian consultorio. It could mean living in a Venezuelan community that is much more violent than a Cuban one. Or it could mean living in emergency tents adjacent to where victims are housed as Cuban medical brigades did after the 2010 earthquake in Haiti. Or staying in a village guesthouse in Ghana. Cuban-trained doctors know their patients by knowing their patients' communities. In this they differ sharply from US doctors, who receive zero training on how to assess homes of their patients.

Third, the MGI model outlines relationships between people that go beyond a set of facts. Instead of memorizing mountains of information unlikely to be used in community health, which US students must do to pass medical board exams, Cuban students learn what is necessary to relate to people in consultorios, polyclínicos, field hospitals, and remote villages. Far from being nuisance courses, studies in how people are bio-psycho-social beings are critical for the everyday practice of Cuban medicine.

Fourth, the MGI model is not static but is evolving and unique for each community. Western medicine searches for the correct pill for a given disease. In its rigid approach, a major reason for research is to discover a new pill after "side effects" of the first pill surface. Since traditional medicine is based on the culture where it has existed for centuries, the MGI model avoids the futility of seeking to impose a Western mindset on other societies.

Fifth, it is necessary to adapt medical aid to the political climate of the host country. This means using whatever resources the host government is able and willing to offer and living with restrictions. Those hosting a Cuban medical brigade may be friendly as in Venezuela and Ghana, be hostile as is the Brazilian Medical Association, become increasingly hostile as occurred after the 2009 coup in Honduras, or change from hostile to friendly as occurred in Peru with the 2011 election of Ollanta Humala. This is quite different from US medical aid which, like its food aid, is part of an overall effort to dominate the receiving country and push it into adopting a Western model.

Sixth, the MGI model creates the basis for dramatic health effects. Preventive community health training, a desire to understand traditional healers, the ability to respond quickly to emergencies, and an appreciation of political limitations give Cuban medical teams astounding success. During the first 18 months of Cuba's work in Honduras following Hurricane Mitch, infant mortality dropped from 80.3 to 30.9 per 1,000 live births. When Cuban health professionals intervened in Gambia, malaria decreased from 600,000 cases in 2002 to 200,000 two years later. And Cuban-Venezuelan collaboration resulted in 1.5 million vision corrections by 2009. Kirk and Erisman conclude that "almost 2 million people throughout the world . . . owe their very lives to the availability of Cuban medical services."10

Seventh, the New Global Medicine can become reality only if medical staff put healing above personal wealth. In Cuba, being a doctor, nurse, or support staff and going on a mission to another country is one of the most fulfilling activities a person can do. The program continues to find an increasing number of volunteers despite the low salaries that Cuban health professionals earn. There is definitely a minority of US doctors who focus their practice in low-income communities which have the greatest need. But there is no US political leadership which makes a concerted effort to get physicians to do anything other than follow the money.

Eighth, dedication to the New Global Medicine is now being transferred to the next generation. When students at Cuban schools learn to be doctors, dentists, or nurses their instructors tell them of their own participation in health brigades in Angola, Peru, Haiti, Honduras, and dozens of other countries. Venezuela has already developed its own approach of MIC (medicina integral comunitaria, comprehensive community medicine) which builds upon, but is distinct from, Cuban MGI.11 Many ELAM students who work in Ghana as the Yaa Asantewaa Brigade are from the US. They learn approaches of traditional healers so they can compliment Ghanaian techniques with Cuban medical knowledge.

Ninth, the Cuban model is remaking medicine across the globe. Though best-known for its successes in Latin America, Africa, and the Caribbean, Cuba has also provided assistance in Asia and the Pacific Islands. Cuba provided relief to the Ukraine after the 1986 Chernobyl meltdown, Sri Lanka following the 2004 tsunami, and Pakistan after its 2005 earthquake. Many of the countries hosting Cuban medical brigades are eager for them to help redesign their own health care systems. Rather than attempting to make expensive Western techniques available to everyone, the Cuban MGI model helps re-conceptualize how healing systems can meet the needs of a country's poor.

Tenth, the New Global Medicine is a microcosm of how a few thousand revolutionaries can change the world. They do not need vast riches, expensive technology, or a massive increase in personal possessions to improve the quality of people's lives. If dedicated to helping people while learning from those they help, they can prefigure a new world by carefully utilizing the resources in front of them. Such revolutionary activity helps show a world facing acute climate change that it can resolve many basic human needs without pouring more CO2 into the atmosphere.

Discussions of global health in the West typically bemoan the indisputable fact that poor countries still suffer from chronic and infectious diseases that rich countries have controlled for decades. International health organizations wring their hands over the high infant mortality rates and lack of resources to cope with natural disasters in much of the world.12

But they ignore the one health system that actually functions in a poor country, providing health care to all of its citizens as well as millions of others around the world. The conspiracy of silence surrounding the resounding success of Cuba's health system proves the unconcern by those who piously claim to be the most concerned.

How should progressives respond to this feigned ignorance of a meaningful solution to global health problems? A rational response must begin with spreading the word of Cuba's New Global Medicine through every source of alternative media available. The message needs to be: Good health care is not more expensive -- revolutionary medicine is far more cost effective than corporate-controlled medicine.



Notes

1 Don Fitz, "Eight Reasons US Healthcare Costs 96% More Than Cuba's -- With the Same Results," AlterNet, December 9, 2010.

2 Lee T. Dresang, Laurie Brebrick, Danielle Murray, Ann Shallue, and Lisa Sullivan-Vedder, "Family Medicine in Cuba: Community-Oriented Primary Care and Complementary and Alternative Medicine," Journal of the American Board of Family Medicine 18.4 (July-August 2005): 297-303.

3 Richard S Cooper, Joan F Kennelly, and Pedro Orduñez-Garcia, "Health in Cuba," International Journal of Epidemiology 35 (2006): 817-824.

4 J. Pérez, "Gender and HIV Prevention," Slide presentation at the Pedro Kouri Institute of Topical Medicine, Havana, Cuba, May 15, 2012.

5 Linda M. Whiteford and Laurence G. Branch, Primary Health Care in Cuba: The Other Revolution, Lanham: Rowman & Littlefield Publishers, Inc., 2008.

6 Don Fitz, "Med School Classes Cancelled in Havana," Black Agenda Report, February 14, 2012,

7 John M. Kirk and H. Michael Erisman, Cuban Medical Internationalism: Origins, Evolution and Goals, New York: Palgrave Macmillan, 2009.

8 Don Fitz, "The Latin American School of Medicine Today: ELAM,"Monthly Review 62.10 (March 2011): 50-62.

9 Don Fitz, "Cuba: The New Global Medicine," Monthly Review 64.4 (September 2012): 37-46.

10 Op. cit.

11 Steve Brouwer, Revolutionary Doctors: How Venezuela and Cuba Are Changing the World's Conceptualization of Health Care. New York, Monthly Review Press, 2011.

12 Cooper, et al., op. cit.

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Chavez' candidates won 20 of 23 governorships in Venezuela:

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Chavez 1 Party Socialist State vs. Punking Castro..

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monster_gardener wrote:Chavez 1 Party Socialist State vs. Punking Castro
Endovelico wrote:Chavez' candidates won 20 of 23 governorships in Venezuela:

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Thank you Very Much for your post, Endo.

Congratulations.....

Looks like Chavez is well on his way to achieving an effectively one party Social ass ;) oops I mean Socialist State......

Wonder how well that will work out long term.......

Maybe Cuba or worse?

Castro and Chavez being being amigazos....... ;)

Not that according recent reports Chavez may have that long to live........ *

Wondering Who is Waiting in the Wings to take over......

Speaking of which reminds me of when those Miami Radio Hosts punked Castro...........

And used Chavez to do it ........

Got Castro on Miami radio..........

Castro was pretty mad about it...........

NKaho4PqLMo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKaho4PqLMo

A little long.......

Jump to about the last minute or so to hear the hosts insulting Castro

Talk about speaking Truth to Power...... ;)

and Castro cursing them......

* Decided to search a little further.........

http://interamericansecuritywatch.com/c ... lth-watch/
CARACAS, Venezuela — Hugo Chavez’s most influential allies are projecting an image of unity while the president recovers from cancer surgery in Cuba, standing side-by-side and pledging to uphold his socialist movement no matter what happens.

But with Chavez’s outlook increasingly darkening, some Venezuelans believe power struggles are brewing between ambitious lieutenants long in the president’s shadow.

One-man rule has been the glue holding together Chavez’s movement, and he hadn’t groomed any clear successor until he surprised Venezuelans with the announcement last weekend that if cancer forced him from office he wanted his vice president,
Nicolas Maduro, to take over.

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While in detention, Almada had met inmates from other South American countries who talked about a secret operation by Paraguay and the other dictatorships in the region to co-ordinate intelligence and return political prisoners to their home country. It seemed to be codenamed Condor.

"I'd heard about Operation Condor when I was in the belly of the condor itself," says Almada.

In the archive, Almada and Fernandez found a vital document. Marked Top Secret, it is an invitation from the head of the Chilean secret police to his Paraguayan counterpart to attend the founding meeting of Operation Condor in Santiago on 25 November 1975.

"It is crucial and the key document," says Andrew Nickson, a British academic who once worked for Amnesty International in Paraguay. "The Chileans and Argentines would be mad as hell to know that these documents were not disposed of."

Thanks to the invitation and other paperwork in the Archive of Terror, it's now known that Paraguay, Chile, Argentina and Uruguay were the founding members of Operation Condor - with Bolivia and Brazil joining later.

The operation had an encrypted communication system, routed through US military bases in the Panama Canal, which enabled members to build up a database of suspects and respond quickly to sightings.

John Dinges, author of The Condor Years, says the Archive of Terror - along with declassified US files on Chile and Argentina, and other documents at the non-profit National Security Archive in Washington - form the foundation of what is known about the inner workings of the South American security forces in these years.

"Without them the judicial investigations in all of our countries would have had to rely almost entirely on the victim accounts compiled by human rights investigators over the years, and on the good will of the very few military sources who have come forward," he says.

The evidence collected by Almada became an important part of the attempts to prosecute Gen Pinochet of Chile, between 1998 and 2006. The archive has also been used in several key human rights cases in Argentina and Chile.

In Paraguay itself, a handful of torturers have been sent for trial since the return of democracy, but the vast majority of commanders associated with the military government have escaped justice.
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Chavez ´s ealth condition deteriorates.

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ABC news from Spain informs that Chavez vital signs deteriorate very fast and that he is in a coma.
A infection complicating a recurrent cancer can result in death very soon, I predict he doesn´t have many days left.
Altough I,m a 100% anti Chavez, I pray for him, God has mercy for him.
Chavism without Chavez is not goig anywhere; I think it deserves a separate thread.
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Britain preparing for new Malvinas War ?


A series of military options are being considered by UK defense chiefs as tension mounts between Britain and Argentina over the Falkland Islands, a report by the Sunday Telegraph claims.

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Chavez ´s clinical condition continues to deteriorate and he is not comming back to Venezuela.
Meanwhile, Venezuelan government on january 9th decided to threaten and prossecute again TV channel Globovision, considering as "hate speech" a short series of videos released by the channel about the legal and constitutional implications of Chavez not being able to return to Venezuela.
Currently, Venezuela is being governed from Cuba by the Castro brothers.
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War with Brits vs. War with Rioters............

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Britain preparing for new Malvinas War ?


A series of military options are being considered by UK defense chiefs as tension mounts between Britain and Argentina over the Falkland Islands, a report by the Sunday Telegraph claims.

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Thank you Very Much for your post, Azari.

Have heard recently that rioting and looting in Argentina has resumed........

Kirchner's supporters stealing whatever they can of goods delivered to the markets.....

Hard to suppress your own supporters and stay in power........

Wondering if Kirchner like Argentine Leaders before her might welcome a little tussle with the Brits which even if she lost which is less likely this time, might gin up the Argentines with enough patriotic frenzy to get their minds off the bad economy.......
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planctom wrote:Chavez ´s clinical condition continues to deteriorate and he is not comming back to Venezuela.
Meanwhile, Venezuelan government on january 9th decided to threaten and prossecute again TV channel Globovision, considering as "hate speech" a short series of videos released by the channel about the legal and constitutional implications of Chavez not being able to return to Venezuela.
Currently, Venezuela is being governed from Cuba by the Castro brothers.
Thank You VERY MUCH for your post Planctom........
Currently, Venezuela is being governed from Cuba by the Castro brothers.
Might this Make Chavez the Biggest ;) :twisted: Traitor in Venezuelan history? :lol: :evil: :roll:
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Re: War with Brits vs. War with Rioters............

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monster_gardener wrote:.
Heracleum Persicum wrote:.


Britain preparing for new Malvinas War ?


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A series of military options are being considered by UK defense chiefs as tension mounts between Britain and Argentina over the Falkland Islands, a report by the Sunday Telegraph claims.

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Thank you Very Much for your post, Azari.

Have heard recently that rioting and looting in Argentina has resumed........

Kirchner's supporters stealing whatever they can of goods delivered to the markets.....

Hard to suppress your own supporters and stay in power........

Wondering if Kirchner like Argentine Leaders before her might welcome a little tussle with the Brits which even if she lost which is less likely this time, might gin up the Argentines with enough patriotic frenzy to get their minds off the bad economy......

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Monster , issue not famine, looting, political suppression and and and

issue is colonialism

Latin America, world, can not let Colonial beast hold to colonial trophy .. Malvinas Latin American territory, Argentinian , Brits have nothing lost there

this time, all Latin America behind Argentina .. and .. America said openly, will be neutral, will not help Brits anymore, if not, Brazil and Mexico will be pissed off with dramatic consequences .. my guess is, Latin America will make things not worth for Brits and Brits will settle with Argentinians, otherwise Argentina will go nuclear in shortest time and beat the lavender out of Brits revenging those killed on torpedoed Belgrano

so, please do not change the subject


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I think I can treat Hurkle Loves Prune Jews' reflections on Argentine colonialism with all the seriousness it merits:

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Colonialists vs. Colonialists.........

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Heracleum Persicum wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:.
Heracleum Persicum wrote:.


Britain preparing for new Malvinas War ?


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A series of military options are being considered by UK defense chiefs as tension mounts between Britain and Argentina over the Falkland Islands, a report by the Sunday Telegraph claims.

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Thank you Very Much for your post, Azari.

Have heard recently that rioting and looting in Argentina has resumed........

Kirchner's supporters stealing whatever they can of goods delivered to the markets.....

Hard to suppress your own supporters and stay in power........

Wondering if Kirchner like Argentine Leaders before her might welcome a little tussle with the Brits which even if she lost which is less likely this time, might gin up the Argentines with enough patriotic frenzy to get their minds off the bad economy......

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Monster , issue not famine, looting, political suppression and and and

issue is colonialism

Latin America, world, can not let Colonial beast hold to colonial trophy .. Malvinas Latin American territory, Argentinian , Brits have nothing lost there

this time, all Latin America behind Argentina .. and .. America said openly, will be neutral, will not help Brits anymore, if not, Brazil and Mexico will be pissed off with dramatic consequences .. my guess is, Latin America will make things not worth for Brits and Brits will settle with Argentinians, otherwise Argentina will go nuclear in shortest time and beat the lavender out of Brits revenging those killed on torpedoed Belgrano

so, please do not change the subject


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Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari.

With due respect I disagree.
Monster , issue not famine, looting, political suppression and and and
Why not? ........... Those sound like important issues to me.... Much more important than.......
issue is colonialism
Especially since the Argentines themselves are descendants of Spanish Colonialists.....

Unless it is Argentine Maned Wolf Weres ;) who are raising the dispute as heirs of the deceased Falkland Island Wolf Weres :(

My sincere hope is that this dispute is resolved peacefully.......

And IMVHO it could have been except for the stupidity & brutality of the Argentine Junta before the last war......
Britain was considering giving the islands to the Argentines but the Falkland Islanders weren't enthused about the idea of being part of Junta culture.....
Things like being disappeared.... :evil:

And since then Argentina has had a Ferfal :twisted: :( time of it............

http://www.amazon.com/Modern-Survival-M ... val+manual

Clan has Argentine friends...... Living here........


Remembering right now a book I read about the last Falklands Malvinas War many years ago...... Very Sad..... Lots of lives and treasure needlessly lost........
The Tin-Pot Foreign General and the Old Iron Woman (ISBN 0241113628) is a 1984 picture book, ostensibly for very young children, written and illustrated by Raymond Briggs and published by Hamish Hamilton. It satirises the Falklands War.

The book presents the story of the war in the format of a picture book for young children. It is written in a simple style with large, brightly coloured illustrations. Neither the Falkland Islands, the belligerent countries, nor their leaders are named in the text. Instead, the British prime minister Margaret Thatcher and the Argentine dictator General Leopoldo Galtieri are presented as a pair of metal monsters who send men to fight over a "sad little island" populated by a few shepherds who eat nothing but mutton. The old woman (who is "not real [but] made of Iron") derives from Thatcher's nickname "the Iron Lady", while the General (who is "not real [but] made of Tin Pots") derives from the slang term "tin-pot general" or "tin-pot dictator", meaning a petty authoritarian type.

The book mentions several ways in which soldiers (who were "all real men, made of flesh and blood ... not made of Tin Pots or Iron") were killed or maimed; the pictures accompanying these parts of the text are monochrome pencil sketches, as opposed to the full-colour caricatures in the rest of the book. Following the victory by the soldiers of the Old Iron Woman, there are various celebrations, to which the maimed are not invited in case their appearance spoils the fun (a reference to actual occurrences at Falklands War memorial events).[citation needed]

The refusal of either side to admit responsibility for civilian casualties is satirised with the statement that three of the islanders were killed, but that "nobody was to blame".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tin-Po ... Iron_Woman

http://www.amazon.com/Tin-Pot-Foreign-G ... 0316108014

Argentina could win this time......... But success not guaranteed.........

IMVHO best to come to some sort of profit sharing agreement........

AIUI there is no guarantee of exploitable oil..........

Why die for Bupkes/Nothing........

and beat the lavender out of Brits revenging those killed on torpedoed Belgrano
The desire to have proxies revenge Iran on the Brits could prove costly
To the proxies....... :evil:

otherwise Argentina will go nuclear in shortest time

IMVHO Argentina going nuke unless it is for an Orion Rocket space program to colonize Outer Space and stop Dinosaur Killer Space Rocks is a VERY BAD idea......

Bad enough that we Northern Hemisphere Chaos Monkeys are constantly on the verge of nuking each other...........

And Southern Chaos Monkeys have fought conventional wars with other as nasty as we Northern Killer Apes have.........

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Argentine Nukes would likely lead to Brazilian and Chilean and maybe Colombian & Venezuelan Nukes..........

And maybe a world with both hemispheres not that habitable for Chaos Monkey humanity....
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Census Figures Show Reduction in Poverty in Venezuela over Last Decade
Jan 25th 2013, by Paul Dobson - Correo del Orinoco International

Representatives from Venezuela’s National Institute of Statistics (INE) officially revealed some of the most important conclusions from the 14th National Census of Population and Housing to the Venezuelan public this week.

The most potent conclusion drawn from the census, which was conducted during 2011, was that extreme poverty levels have significantly been reduced in the ten previous years.

In 2001, 11.36% of the population were measured to be suffering from extreme poverty, while President of the INE, Elias Eljuri, announced that the 2011 census showed that currently only 6.97% are in a similar situation, a reduction of nearly half in the past 10 years, and one which he described as “very significant”.

Other conclusions presented to the population include a rise in life expectancy, from 74.5 years to 79.5 years and a 16% rise in the general population numbers, from 24.8 million inhabitants to 28.9 million in 2011.

Furthermore, it was announced that of those 28.9 million, 88.8% currently live in urban areas, while 11.2% live in rural areas, and that the percentage of the population classed as indigenous rose from 2.3% in 2001 to 2.8% in 2011, with 700,000 citizens currently being classed as indigenous.

Such figures reinforce the success of the social policies of the revolutionary government of Hugo Chavez, particularly in the health sector, as well as the infrastructure of basic necessities, but also the education and alimentary sectors.

The National Coordinator of the Census, Luis Geronimo, drew attention to the fact that despite the rise in the general population, the rate of growth is slowly decreasing, meaning that the population will continue growing in the future, just at a slower pace. Furthermore, he stated that there had been a reduction in births and a rise in deaths since 2001, showing that the population is gradually aging.

“For 2050 we expect to be about 40 million people, with a growth rate lower than 0.5%” he explained. “These are demographic changes which all of the countries in the world are demonstrating where there is a process of demographic transition”.

The average family size has also reduced, he explained. “Now we are at less than 3 children (per female), and for 2050 we expect to arrive at less than 2 children per female. Also, we expect that less women have children, unless there are important migratory processes which change this tendency”.

Such figures show the changes in equality achieved in the last 10 years, allowing women to have better access than ever before to secure jobs, and high level positions, and not be only expected to fulfill the child bearer role in society.

Eljuri explained the methods used by the INE to measure the levels of poverty in the country, in order to preempt accusations from certain political sectors that the statistics have been modified for political ends.

Eljuri explained that the INE used the five basic necessities promoted by the Economic Commission for Latin America (Cepal) to evaluate the levels of poverty.

The five necessities which represent poverty are: (1) households with children between 7 and 12 years old which don’t attend any school; (2) households which have more than 3 people living in a room; (3) households who live in a house with inadequate construction; (4) households without access to drinkable water or sewerage; and (5) households with more than 3 members where the head of household has less than 3 grades of basic education.

Eljuri explained that this system is called the Unsatisfied Basic Needs system (NBI), and is used to evaluate those households in poverty, extreme poverty, and outside of poverty.

“A household in poverty is that where at least 1 of these 5 factors are applicable; a household in extreme poverty is that where 2 or more are applicable; and a household outside of poverty is that which has all 5 of the necessities met”.

Using this system, he showed figures that demonstrate that households outside of poverty have risen from 67% in 2001 to 75.43% in 2011, and that “the total of those in poverty have reduced from 21.64% to 17.6%”. “In all indications examined”, he concluded, “there was an important reduction of poverty”.

He also highlighted that critical overcrowding has reduced from 15.12% to 10.10%, while inadequate house construction has reduced from 9.38% to 8.69%. Similarly, households without basic water and sewerage services have reduced from 14.79% to 8.88%.

He also highlighted that the figures from the census are fully transparent and available to the public on the INE website. Furthermore, impressive as they are, the figures, he explained, do not take into account certain changes seen during 2012 which, according to Eljuri, have had dramatic effects on the demographics of the nation, predominantly the housing Mission Vivienda which was launched towards the end of 2011.

The 346,000 houses and apartments built during the end of 2011 and 2012 were not taken into account in the census which was conducted during the first 8 months of 2011, and he expects that this mission, amongst other factors, will mean that poverty levels are, today, in fact even lower than the figures shown in 2011.

There are estimations, he explained, that combined poverty will have closed 2012 at around about 6.5%, down significantly from the 2011 figures, due to such changes in the housing of the population bought about by government policies.

He finally observed that Venezuela has seen the most significant decrease in poverty in the last 10 years in the continent, and that it continues having the lowest rate of inequality in the continent.

Despite complete clarity by the INE of their methods and results, certain self-proclaimed ‘experts’ have already appeared in the opposition means of communication claiming that the results have been engineered for political gains, or suggesting that the methods used by the INE did not meet satisfactory levels of thoroughness.

Such ‘experts’ provided no proof or evidence for such claims, and merely claimed that there were certain vague “problems” with the census, while at the same time failing to recognize the gains and successes the population has experienced under Chavez’s presidency.

Such statistics are to be used to further enable the strategic planning of the points of attention of governmental policies which address housing, infrastructure, education, access to basic necessities, and especially for the future of the public housing program, which plans to build 380,000 more high quality houses and apartments in 2013 alone.

http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/7644
In spite of these successes no doubt people will continue accusing Chavez of all sorts of horrible things. But the truth is that while inequality and poverty increase in Europe and the US, they are rapidly decreasing in Venezuela.
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Census Figures Show Reduction in Poverty in Venezuela over Last Decade
Jan 25th 2013, by Paul Dobson - Correo del Orinoco International

Representatives from Venezuela’s National Institute of Statistics (INE) officially revealed some of the most important conclusions from the 14th National Census of Population and Housing to the Venezuelan public this week.

The most potent conclusion drawn from the census, which was conducted during 2011, was that extreme poverty levels have significantly been reduced in the ten previous years.

In 2001, 11.36% of the population were measured to be suffering from extreme poverty, while President of the INE, Elias Eljuri, announced that the 2011 census showed that currently only 6.97% are in a similar situation, a reduction of nearly half in the past 10 years, and one which he described as “very significant”.

Other conclusions presented to the population include a rise in life expectancy, from 74.5 years to 79.5 years and a 16% rise in the general population numbers, from 24.8 million inhabitants to 28.9 million in 2011.

Furthermore, it was announced that of those 28.9 million, 88.8% currently live in urban areas, while 11.2% live in rural areas, and that the percentage of the population classed as indigenous rose from 2.3% in 2001 to 2.8% in 2011, with 700,000 citizens currently being classed as indigenous.

Such figures reinforce the success of the social policies of the revolutionary government of Hugo Chavez, particularly in the health sector, as well as the infrastructure of basic necessities, but also the education and alimentary sectors.

The National Coordinator of the Census, Luis Geronimo, drew attention to the fact that despite the rise in the general population, the rate of growth is slowly decreasing, meaning that the population will continue growing in the future, just at a slower pace. Furthermore, he stated that there had been a reduction in births and a rise in deaths since 2001, showing that the population is gradually aging.

“For 2050 we expect to be about 40 million people, with a growth rate lower than 0.5%” he explained. “These are demographic changes which all of the countries in the world are demonstrating where there is a process of demographic transition”.

The average family size has also reduced, he explained. “Now we are at less than 3 children (per female), and for 2050 we expect to arrive at less than 2 children per female. Also, we expect that less women have children, unless there are important migratory processes which change this tendency”.

Such figures show the changes in equality achieved in the last 10 years, allowing women to have better access than ever before to secure jobs, and high level positions, and not be only expected to fulfill the child bearer role in society.

Eljuri explained the methods used by the INE to measure the levels of poverty in the country, in order to preempt accusations from certain political sectors that the statistics have been modified for political ends.

Eljuri explained that the INE used the five basic necessities promoted by the Economic Commission for Latin America (Cepal) to evaluate the levels of poverty.

The five necessities which represent poverty are: (1) households with children between 7 and 12 years old which don’t attend any school; (2) households which have more than 3 people living in a room; (3) households who live in a house with inadequate construction; (4) households without access to drinkable water or sewerage; and (5) households with more than 3 members where the head of household has less than 3 grades of basic education.

Eljuri explained that this system is called the Unsatisfied Basic Needs system (NBI), and is used to evaluate those households in poverty, extreme poverty, and outside of poverty.

“A household in poverty is that where at least 1 of these 5 factors are applicable; a household in extreme poverty is that where 2 or more are applicable; and a household outside of poverty is that which has all 5 of the necessities met”.

Using this system, he showed figures that demonstrate that households outside of poverty have risen from 67% in 2001 to 75.43% in 2011, and that “the total of those in poverty have reduced from 21.64% to 17.6%”. “In all indications examined”, he concluded, “there was an important reduction of poverty”.

He also highlighted that critical overcrowding has reduced from 15.12% to 10.10%, while inadequate house construction has reduced from 9.38% to 8.69%. Similarly, households without basic water and sewerage services have reduced from 14.79% to 8.88%.

He also highlighted that the figures from the census are fully transparent and available to the public on the INE website. Furthermore, impressive as they are, the figures, he explained, do not take into account certain changes seen during 2012 which, according to Eljuri, have had dramatic effects on the demographics of the nation, predominantly the housing Mission Vivienda which was launched towards the end of 2011.

The 346,000 houses and apartments built during the end of 2011 and 2012 were not taken into account in the census which was conducted during the first 8 months of 2011, and he expects that this mission, amongst other factors, will mean that poverty levels are, today, in fact even lower than the figures shown in 2011.

There are estimations, he explained, that combined poverty will have closed 2012 at around about 6.5%, down significantly from the 2011 figures, due to such changes in the housing of the population bought about by government policies.

He finally observed that Venezuela has seen the most significant decrease in poverty in the last 10 years in the continent, and that it continues having the lowest rate of inequality in the continent.

Despite complete clarity by the INE of their methods and results, certain self-proclaimed ‘experts’ have already appeared in the opposition means of communication claiming that the results have been engineered for political gains, or suggesting that the methods used by the INE did not meet satisfactory levels of thoroughness.

Such ‘experts’ provided no proof or evidence for such claims, and merely claimed that there were certain vague “problems” with the census, while at the same time failing to recognize the gains and successes the population has experienced under Chavez’s presidency.

Such statistics are to be used to further enable the strategic planning of the points of attention of governmental policies which address housing, infrastructure, education, access to basic necessities, and especially for the future of the public housing program, which plans to build 380,000 more high quality houses and apartments in 2013 alone.

http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/7644
In spite of these successes no doubt people will continue accusing Chavez of all sorts of horrible things. But the truth is that while inequality and poverty increase in Europe and the US, they are rapidly decreasing in Venezuela.
Thank you Very Much for your post, Endo.
people will continue accusing Chavez of all sorts of horrible things.
Probably true.......

Things like turning over Venezuela to be ruled by the Castro Brothers of Cuba........

Like being held prisoner in Cuba........

http://www.eltiempo.com/mundo/latinoame ... 12549317-4
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monster_gardener wrote:Things like turning over Venezuela to be ruled by the Castro Brothers of Cuba........

Like being held prisoner in Cuba........
Do you honestly believe that?... :shock:
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Is Chavez Clan trying to pull a Woodie... Wilson that is....

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monster_gardener wrote:Things like turning over Venezuela to be ruled by the Castro Brothers of Cuba........

Like being held prisoner in Cuba........
Do you honestly believe that?... :shock:

Is Chavez Clan trying to pull a Woodie ;) ... Wilson that is.....

Thank You Very Much for your post, Endo.

From what I have read, some Venezuelans/South Americans do..........

IMVHO something "funny" may be going on in Venezuela.........

And in Cuba...........

And we uz have had similar "funny business" happen here........

Offhand one of the most notable examples was the incapacitation of President Woodrow Wilson....

Some suspect that Wilson's wife was really running Uz when the Presidency probably should have devolved to the Vice President in this case.......
Incapacity
Woodrow Wilson's first posed photograph after his stroke. He was paralyzed on his left side, so his wife Edith holds a document steady while he signs. June 1920.

Wilson suffered from a bout of influenza early in 1919.[145] The immediate cause of his incapacitation was the physical strain of the public speaking tour he undertook to obtain support for ratification of the Covenant of the League of Nations. In Pueblo, Colorado, on September 25, 1919,[146] he collapsed.[147]

Then, on October 2, 1919, he suffered a serious stroke that almost totally incapacitated him, leaving him paralyzed on his left side and blind in his left eye.[148] He was confined to bed for weeks, sequestered from nearly everyone except his wife and his physician, Dr. Cary Grayson.[149] For at least a few months, he used a wheelchair. Later, he could walk only with the assistance of a cane. His wife and his chief of staff helped a journalist, Louis Seibold, present a false account of an interview with the President.[150]
With few exceptions, Wilson was kept out of the presence of Vice President Thomas R. Marshall, his cabinet, and Congressional visitors to the White House for the remainder of his term.
His wife served as his steward, selecting issues for his attention and delegating other issues to his cabinet heads. Eventually, Wilson resumed his attendance at cabinet meetings, but his input there was perfunctory at best.[151] This was one of the most serious cases of presidential disability in American history and was later cited as an argument for the 25th Amendment, which deals with succession to the presidency.[152] The full extent of his disability was kept from the public until after his death on February 3, 1924.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodrow_Wilson#Incapacity


Recalling some earlier posts about what is supposed to happened in Venezuela when the Present Dunce :wink: oops I mean President/Presidente is incapacitated depending on the date....... IIRC new elections vs. the Veep becoming Prez........

I would not put it past the Clan of a Clown who tried an outright Coup in the Past to gain Power to try to pull a "Woodie" ;) :twisted: on the World and Venezuela to stay in power.
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Census Figures Show Reduction in Poverty in Venezuela over Last Decade
Jan 25th 2013, by Paul Dobson - Correo del Orinoco International
In spite of these successes no doubt people will continue accusing Chavez of all sorts of horrible things.

. . .
Well, we can at least rest assured that Venezuelan govt backed newspapers, such as Correo del Orinoco, will not do so.
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Endovelico wrote:
Census Figures Show Reduction in Poverty in Venezuela over Last Decade
Jan 25th 2013, by Paul Dobson - Correo del Orinoco International
In spite of these successes no doubt people will continue accusing Chavez of all sorts of horrible things.

. . .
Well, we can at least rest assured that Venezuelan govt back newspapers, such as Correo del Orinoco, will not do so.
If the census figures were given by another newspaper, less favourable to Chavez, would those figures be different or their interpretation be negative?... Has the lowering of poverty anything to do with the paper which reports it?...

http://www.correodelorinoco.gob.ve/leer ... 2013-01-25
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Endovelico wrote:
Typhoon wrote:
Endovelico wrote:
Census Figures Show Reduction in Poverty in Venezuela over Last Decade
Jan 25th 2013, by Paul Dobson - Correo del Orinoco International
In spite of these successes no doubt people will continue accusing Chavez of all sorts of horrible things.

. . .
Well, we can at least rest assured that Venezuelan govt back newspapers, such as Correo del Orinoco, will not do so.
If the census figures were given by another newspaper, less favourable to Chavez, would those figures be different or their interpretation be negative?... Has the lowering of poverty anything to do with the paper which reports it?...
Who knows if those figures have anything to do with reality or simply made up.
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Typhoon wrote:
Endovelico wrote:
Typhoon wrote:
Endovelico wrote:
Census Figures Show Reduction in Poverty in Venezuela over Last Decade
Jan 25th 2013, by Paul Dobson - Correo del Orinoco International
In spite of these successes no doubt people will continue accusing Chavez of all sorts of horrible things.

. . .
Well, we can at least rest assured that Venezuelan govt back newspapers, such as Correo del Orinoco, will not do so.
If the census figures were given by another newspaper, less favourable to Chavez, would those figures be different or their interpretation be negative?... Has the lowering of poverty anything to do with the paper which reports it?...
Who knows if those figures have anything to do with reality or simply made up.
You can always go the INE site and check the figures.

http://www.ine.gov.ve/

http://www.cepr.net/documents/publicati ... 008_02.pdf

http://www.cepr.net/documents/publicati ... 012-09.pdf
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Cuban Socialist Slave Labor Medical System......

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Why Is Cuba's Health Care System the Best Model for Poor Countries?
December 09, 2012 - By Don Fitz

Furious though it may be, the current debate over health care in the US is largely irrelevant to charting a path for poor countries of Africa, Latin America, Asia, and the Pacific Islands. That is because the US squanders perhaps 10 to 20 times what is needed for a good, affordable medical system. The waste is far more than 30% overhead by private insurance companies. It includes an enormous amount of over-treatment, creation of illnesses, exposure to contagion through over-hospitalization, disease-focused instead of prevention-focused research, and making the poor sicker by refusing them treatment.1

Poor countries simply cannot afford such a health system. Well over 100 countries are looking to the example of Cuba, which has the same 78-year life expectancy of the US while spending 4% per person annually of what the US does.2

The most revolutionary idea of the Cuban system is doctors living in the neighborhoods they serve. A doctor-nurse team are part of the community and know their patients well because they live at (or near) the consultorio (doctor's office) where they work. Consultorios are backed up by policlínicos which provide services during off-hours and offer a wide variety of specialists. Policlínicos coordinate community health delivery and link nationally-designed health initiatives with their local implementation.

Cubans call their system medicina general integral (MGI, comprehensive general medicine). Its programs focus on preventing people from getting diseases and treating them as rapidly as possible.

This has made Cuba extremely effective in control of everyday health issues. Having doctors' offices in every neighborhood has brought the Cuban infant mortality rate below that of the US and less than half that of US Blacks.3 Cuba has a record unmatched in dealing with chronic and infectious diseases with amazingly limited resources. These include (with date eradicated): polio (1962), malaria (1967), neonatal tetanus (1972), diphtheria (1979), congenital rubella syndrome (1989), post-mumps meningitis (1989), measles (1993), rubella (1995), and TB meningitis (1997).4

The MGI integration of neighborhood doctors' offices with area clinics and a national hospital system also means the country responds well to emergencies. It has the ability to evacuate entire cities during a hurricane largely because consultorio staff know everyone in their neighborhood and know who to call for help getting disabled residents out of harm's way. At the time when New York City (roughly the same population as Cuba) had 43,000 cases of AIDS, Cuba had 200 AIDS patients.5 More recent emergencies such as outbreaks of dengue fever are quickly followed by national mobilizations.6

Perhaps the most amazing aspect of Cuban medicine is that, despite its being a poor country itself, Cuba has sent over 124,000 health care professionals to provide care to 154 countries.7 In addition to providing preventive medicine Cuba sends response teams following emergencies (such as earthquakes and hurricanes) and has over 20,000 students from other countries studying to be doctors at its Latin American School of Medicine in Havana (ELAM, Escuela Latinoamericana de Medicina).8

In a recent Monthly Review article, I gave in-depth descriptions of ELAM students participating in Cuban medical efforts in Haiti, Ghana, and Peru.9 What follows are 10 generalizations from Cuba's extensive experience in developing medical science and sharing its approach with poor countries throughout the world. The concepts form the basis of the New Global Medicine and summarize what many authors have observed in dozens of articles and books.

First, it is not necessary to focus on expensive technology as the initial approach to medical care. Cuban doctors use machines that are available, but they have an amazing ability to treat disaster victims with field surgery. They are very aware that most lives are saved through preventive medicine such as nutrition and hygiene and that traditional cultures have their own healing wisdom. This is in direct contrast to Western medicine, especially as is dominant in the US, which uses costly diagnostic and treatment techniques as the first approach and is contemptuous of natural and alternative approaches.

Second, doctors must be part of the communities where they are working. This could mean living in the same neighborhood as a Peruvian consultorio. It could mean living in a Venezuelan community that is much more violent than a Cuban one. Or it could mean living in emergency tents adjacent to where victims are housed as Cuban medical brigades did after the 2010 earthquake in Haiti. Or staying in a village guesthouse in Ghana. Cuban-trained doctors know their patients by knowing their patients' communities. In this they differ sharply from US doctors, who receive zero training on how to assess homes of their patients.

Third, the MGI model outlines relationships between people that go beyond a set of facts. Instead of memorizing mountains of information unlikely to be used in community health, which US students must do to pass medical board exams, Cuban students learn what is necessary to relate to people in consultorios, polyclínicos, field hospitals, and remote villages. Far from being nuisance courses, studies in how people are bio-psycho-social beings are critical for the everyday practice of Cuban medicine.

Fourth, the MGI model is not static but is evolving and unique for each community. Western medicine searches for the correct pill for a given disease. In its rigid approach, a major reason for research is to discover a new pill after "side effects" of the first pill surface. Since traditional medicine is based on the culture where it has existed for centuries, the MGI model avoids the futility of seeking to impose a Western mindset on other societies.

Fifth, it is necessary to adapt medical aid to the political climate of the host country. This means using whatever resources the host government is able and willing to offer and living with restrictions. Those hosting a Cuban medical brigade may be friendly as in Venezuela and Ghana, be hostile as is the Brazilian Medical Association, become increasingly hostile as occurred after the 2009 coup in Honduras, or change from hostile to friendly as occurred in Peru with the 2011 election of Ollanta Humala. This is quite different from US medical aid which, like its food aid, is part of an overall effort to dominate the receiving country and push it into adopting a Western model.

Sixth, the MGI model creates the basis for dramatic health effects. Preventive community health training, a desire to understand traditional healers, the ability to respond quickly to emergencies, and an appreciation of political limitations give Cuban medical teams astounding success. During the first 18 months of Cuba's work in Honduras following Hurricane Mitch, infant mortality dropped from 80.3 to 30.9 per 1,000 live births. When Cuban health professionals intervened in Gambia, malaria decreased from 600,000 cases in 2002 to 200,000 two years later. And Cuban-Venezuelan collaboration resulted in 1.5 million vision corrections by 2009. Kirk and Erisman conclude that "almost 2 million people throughout the world . . . owe their very lives to the availability of Cuban medical services."10

Seventh, the New Global Medicine can become reality only if medical staff put healing above personal wealth. In Cuba, being a doctor, nurse, or support staff and going on a mission to another country is one of the most fulfilling activities a person can do. The program continues to find an increasing number of volunteers despite the low salaries that Cuban health professionals earn. There is definitely a minority of US doctors who focus their practice in low-income communities which have the greatest need. But there is no US political leadership which makes a concerted effort to get physicians to do anything other than follow the money.

Eighth, dedication to the New Global Medicine is now being transferred to the next generation. When students at Cuban schools learn to be doctors, dentists, or nurses their instructors tell them of their own participation in health brigades in Angola, Peru, Haiti, Honduras, and dozens of other countries. Venezuela has already developed its own approach of MIC (medicina integral comunitaria, comprehensive community medicine) which builds upon, but is distinct from, Cuban MGI.11 Many ELAM students who work in Ghana as the Yaa Asantewaa Brigade are from the US. They learn approaches of traditional healers so they can compliment Ghanaian techniques with Cuban medical knowledge.

Ninth, the Cuban model is remaking medicine across the globe. Though best-known for its successes in Latin America, Africa, and the Caribbean, Cuba has also provided assistance in Asia and the Pacific Islands. Cuba provided relief to the Ukraine after the 1986 Chernobyl meltdown, Sri Lanka following the 2004 tsunami, and Pakistan after its 2005 earthquake. Many of the countries hosting Cuban medical brigades are eager for them to help redesign their own health care systems. Rather than attempting to make expensive Western techniques available to everyone, the Cuban MGI model helps re-conceptualize how healing systems can meet the needs of a country's poor.

Tenth, the New Global Medicine is a microcosm of how a few thousand revolutionaries can change the world. They do not need vast riches, expensive technology, or a massive increase in personal possessions to improve the quality of people's lives. If dedicated to helping people while learning from those they help, they can prefigure a new world by carefully utilizing the resources in front of them. Such revolutionary activity helps show a world facing acute climate change that it can resolve many basic human needs without pouring more CO2 into the atmosphere.

Discussions of global health in the West typically bemoan the indisputable fact that poor countries still suffer from chronic and infectious diseases that rich countries have controlled for decades. International health organizations wring their hands over the high infant mortality rates and lack of resources to cope with natural disasters in much of the world.12

But they ignore the one health system that actually functions in a poor country, providing health care to all of its citizens as well as millions of others around the world. The conspiracy of silence surrounding the resounding success of Cuba's health system proves the unconcern by those who piously claim to be the most concerned.

How should progressives respond to this feigned ignorance of a meaningful solution to global health problems? A rational response must begin with spreading the word of Cuba's New Global Medicine through every source of alternative media available. The message needs to be: Good health care is not more expensive -- revolutionary medicine is far more cost effective than corporate-controlled medicine.



Notes

1 Don Fitz, "Eight Reasons US Healthcare Costs 96% More Than Cuba's -- With the Same Results," AlterNet, December 9, 2010.

2 Lee T. Dresang, Laurie Brebrick, Danielle Murray, Ann Shallue, and Lisa Sullivan-Vedder, "Family Medicine in Cuba: Community-Oriented Primary Care and Complementary and Alternative Medicine," Journal of the American Board of Family Medicine 18.4 (July-August 2005): 297-303.

3 Richard S Cooper, Joan F Kennelly, and Pedro Orduñez-Garcia, "Health in Cuba," International Journal of Epidemiology 35 (2006): 817-824.

4 J. Pérez, "Gender and HIV Prevention," Slide presentation at the Pedro Kouri Institute of Topical Medicine, Havana, Cuba, May 15, 2012.

5 Linda M. Whiteford and Laurence G. Branch, Primary Health Care in Cuba: The Other Revolution, Lanham: Rowman & Littlefield Publishers, Inc., 2008.

6 Don Fitz, "Med School Classes Cancelled in Havana," Black Agenda Report, February 14, 2012,

7 John M. Kirk and H. Michael Erisman, Cuban Medical Internationalism: Origins, Evolution and Goals, New York: Palgrave Macmillan, 2009.

8 Don Fitz, "The Latin American School of Medicine Today: ELAM,"Monthly Review 62.10 (March 2011): 50-62.

9 Don Fitz, "Cuba: The New Global Medicine," Monthly Review 64.4 (September 2012): 37-46.

10 Op. cit.

11 Steve Brouwer, Revolutionary Doctors: How Venezuela and Cuba Are Changing the World's Conceptualization of Health Care. New York, Monthly Review Press, 2011.

12 Cooper, et al., op. cit.

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For many people it is very annoying to realize that Cuba's medical programmes work, while the US ones don't, except for the rich.
Thank You Very Much for your post, Endo.

Am not opposed to learning from other countries.......

Like some aspects of what is described..........If it can be done voluntarily............. (see below)

Part of it reminds me slightly of the famous Japanese Police Box system.........

But.........

The description neglects to mention that it is run with slave labor........

That it Is an effort to Spread the Sorry Soviet Socialist dogma just as it accusing American Aid programs of being.........

That it is a money making operation for the Cuban Socialist State........

And that Socialist Slaves with talent often become "defective" ;) when in freer societies even temporarily*.....

Things like this may be one reason.........
It could mean living in a Venezuelan community that is much more violent than a Cuban one.

http:/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_medical_internationalism#Defection

more............
Effects on Cuba
Benefits

Although humanitarian principles figure, ideological factors were prominent in Cuba's "doctor diplomacy", particularly during the Cold War. Subsequently, its continuation has been seen as a vital means to promote Cuba's image abroad and prevent international isolation. For Cuba's re-establishment of diplomatic relations with Honduras in 2002, Cuba's health missions in that country were "undoubtedly a deciding factor";[2] Guatemala reestablished diplomatic relations with Cuba in 1998.[5]

At the 2009 5th Summit of the Americas, US President Barack Obama commented that at the summit he had heard much about the impact of Cuban "soft diplomacy" in the form of its medical internationalism. He said this might be a reminder to the United States that limiting its interactions with Latin American countries to military and drug interdiction might be limiting its influence.[29]

It has also been suggested that Cuban medical internationalism promotes exports of Cuban medical technology, and may be a source of hard currency (although the targeting of poor countries reduces the hard currency potential of missions abroad).[2] In 2006 Cuba's earnings from medical services (including export of doctors) amounted to US$2,312m - 28% of total export receipts and net capital payments. This exceeded earnings from both nickel and cobalt exports and from tourism.[14] These earnings are achieved despite the fact that a substantial part of Cuba's medical internationalism since 1998 has been organised within the framework of the "Integrated Health Program" (Programa Integral de Salud, PIS); this cooperation program is free for the receiving country.[5] Cuba's co-operation with Venezuela provides Cuba with cheap oil in exchange for its medical support to Mission Barrio Adentro.[5]

It has also been argued that the programme has, particularly in the 1980s and 1990s, "perform[ed] a critical function in consolidating socialist consciousness" within Cuba.[30]
Costs

Although Cuba's large-scale medical training programmes and high-doctor-patient ratios give it much latitude, the expansion of doctor diplomacy since 2004, particularly with the Barrio Adentro programme, has been dramatic: the number of Cuban doctors working abroad jumped from about 5000 in 2003 to more than 25,000 in 2005.[11] This has had some impact on the domestic health system, for example with increased waiting times, particularly with regard to family doctors.[14] The number of patients per doctor rose from 139 to 179.[17] In March 2008 Cuba announced a reorganisation of its domestic family doctor programme for greater efficiency.[14]
Defection

In 2000, two Cuban doctors working in Zimbabwe attempted to defect to Canada.[31] They were prevented from doing so by two Zimbabwean soldiers, who handed them over to Cuban officials.[32] United Nations officials said Zimbabwe appeared to have violated national and international laws.[32]

In August 2006 the United States under George W. Bush created the Cuban Medical Professional Parole program,[33] specifically targeting Cuban medical personnel and encouraging them to defect when they are working in a country outside of Cuba.[6] Of an estimated 40,000 eligible medical personnel, over 1000 had entered the United States under the program by October 2007, according to the chief of staff for U.S. Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart.[34] However the promised fast-track visa is not always forthcoming, and some applicants are trapped in limbo, unable to enter the US and unable to return to Cuba.[35]

According to a 2007 paper published in The Lancet medical journal, "growing numbers of Cuban doctors sent overseas to work are defecting to the USA", some via Colombia, where they have sought temporary asylum.[36] In February 2007, at least 38 doctors were requesting asylum in the US embassy in Bogotá after asylum was denied by the Colombian government.[37] Cuban doctors working abroad are reported to be monitored by "minders" and subject to curfew.[36]

Two defected Cuban doctors working in Venezuela have asserted that they were told their job was to keep Chavez in power,[38] by asking patients to vote for Chávez in the 2004 recall referendum.[38] Opposition supporters in Venezuela have called Cuban doctors "Fidel's ambassadors" and refused to go to their clinics.[38]

According to Luis Zuñiga, director of human rights for the Cuban American National Foundation, Cuban doctors are "slave workers" who labor for meager wages while bolstering Cuba's image as a donor nation and "the Cuban government exports these doctors as merchandise".[32]
Will lifting the embargo destroy "Castrocare"?

An article by Laurie Garrett in Foreign Affairs warns that lifting of the United States trade and travel restrictions on Cuba could have dire consequence's for Cuba's healthcare system, leading to an exodus of thousands of well-trained Cuban healthcare professionals. US companies could also transform the remaining healthcare system into a destination for medical tourism. Garrett concludes that if politicians do not take great care, lifting of the restrictions would rob Cuba of its greatest triumph.[39]
Sources

Robert Huish and John M. Kirk (2007), "Cuban Medical Internationalism and the Development of the Latin American School of Medicine", Latin American Perspectives, 34; 77
C Muntaner, RM Guerra-Salazar, J Benach and F Armada, Venezuela's barrio adentro: an alternative to neoliberalism in health care, Int J Health Services 36 (2006), pp. 803–811.
Cooper R.S., Kennelly J.F., Ordunez-Garcia P., (2006) "Health in Cuba", International Journal of Epidemiology, 35 (4), pp. 817–824.
De Vos et al. (2007), "Cuba's International Cooperation in Health: an Overview", International Journal of Health Services, Volume 37, Number 4, Pages 761–776
John M. Kirk and H. Michael Erisman (2009), Cuban Medical Internationalism: Origins, Evolution, and Goals, Palgrave Macmillan


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* Can be an Olympic class ;) :twisted: headache for Socialist Tyrants....
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Endovelico wrote:
Typhoon wrote:
Endovelico wrote:
Census Figures Show Reduction in Poverty in Venezuela over Last Decade
Jan 25th 2013, by Paul Dobson - Correo del Orinoco International
In spite of these successes no doubt people will continue accusing Chavez of all sorts of horrible things.

. . .
Well, we can at least rest assured that Venezuelan govt back newspapers, such as Correo del Orinoco, will not do so.
If the census figures were given by another newspaper, less favourable to Chavez, would those figures be different or their interpretation be negative?... Has the lowering of poverty anything to do with the paper which reports it?...

http://www.correodelorinoco.gob.ve/leer ... 2013-01-25
Chavez is garbage, another wasted opportunity.

Morales is a better guy to champion in the region.
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