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Brazil

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This thread is topics about Brazil..........

Which given its Portuguese language and sheer size is substantially different from the rest of Latin America......
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Portugal as a Province of Brazil....

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Endo has proposed elsewhere that Portugal reunify with Brazil.......

Offhand to an Outsider ;) like me, it sounds like it might have more promise than what is going on in Portugal now.......

Interested in getting Planctom's opinion.......
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Endovelico wrote:.

And we love those "mulatas"...
Pleeeeaaaase!... :oops:

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Was this summer in Portugal

Saw many interracial (black/white) young couples

have the feeling Portuguese really into Africans

That demonstrates in Brazil .. Brazilian culture no undertone of racism .. most girls already have African blood mixed

different in Argentina .. Buenos Aires could be Rome .. those Argentinian girls as European as it gets, fresh from the oven


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My impression , I'm afraid, is that it is a bit of a myth that there are no racial divisions in Brazil. There are some white people in favelas, but they are overwhelmingly black or coffee coloured; there are virtually no black people in upper echelons of private industry (but plenty of Japanese -Brazilians). Regionally, Bahia is in Africa, and Rio Grande do Sul in Europe. Yeah, culture, but also the poor standards in public (state) education, to get anywhere you need private schooling.

The income distribution is still appalling, public trust is low, and the bureaucracy is maddening - my company recently considered opening a small South American office, but in Brazil it would have taken three full time staff to deal with the government paperwork. We opened it in Chile instead, where it can all be done by one part-time accountant. The days of high inflation and a worthless currency are long gone, to be replaced by the opposite problem : a strong Real, high interest rates and poor domestic savings means it is difficult to make money on anything except resource investments.

That said, it has got better: both the Lula regime and its centre-right predecessor under Cardoso established moderate, alternating centre-left and centre-right parties. Brazilian democracy works, and seems safe. Basic income support,new factories in the impoverished north east, and facilties for favelas has meant that the poor have seen some benefit from the commodity boom. Crime is still awful, but has fallen, and perhaps it is no longer fair to describe Rio as St.Tropez surrounded by Mogadishu. The quality of some industry and engineering is very high e.g Embraer, and Petrobras has successfully drilled for oil in deep waters, no seven sister needed, thank you. Vale is now the second biggest mining multinational in the world.

The jury is still out as to whether it is still the land of tomorrow or is edging to becoming the land of today. China it ain't, but I know where I would rather live. People do have fun, the food is outstanding, and you can always ogle the girls on beaches (although Brazilians seem to be obsessed with bottoms rather than bosoms). If all else fails, have a large caipirinha and sit in the sun.
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Re: Brazil

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Jnalum Persicum wrote:
Endovelico wrote:.

And we love those "mulatas"...
Pleeeeaaaase!... :oops:

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Was this summer in Portugal

Saw many interracial (black/white) young couples

have the feeling Portuguese really into Africans

That demonstrates in Brazil .. Brazilian culture no undertone of racism .. most girls already have African blood mixed

different in Argentina .. Buenos Aires could be Rome .. those Argentinian girls as European as it gets, fresh from the oven


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It is true that, unlike most countries, whites and blacks in Portugal mingle in a completely natural way, with lots of interracial dating. In my university there are lots of African students - and Afro-Portuguese - and I have never seen blacks and whites sitting or socializing separately. I guess in time we will become a light-brown-coloured country.

As to joining Brazil, it is a lot less crazy than it sounds at first. Surprisingly enough we have about 100,000 Brazilian immigrants in Portugal, which shows that they are as comfortable with us as we are with them. If Merkel doesn't fade away soon, we may have to consider that alternative very seriously indeed.
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Re: Brazil

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Role reversal : Spain and Portugal looking to their one-time colonies for help


All comes to NUMBERS

Portugal compaired to Brazil is like a dot on the (economic) map .. Spain not much better compaired to the latino Amigos

The tables have turned since the 2007 edition, when King Juan Carlos infamously said “Why don’t you be quiet” to Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez in a moment which came to represent Spain’s arrogance and Latin American muscle flexing. Today, Spain and Portugal are in dire economic shape and will remain crippled for at least another couple of years, if not more.

In contrast, Latin America is consolidating its political and economic transition toward stability, despite strong headwind from the global slowdown. Eighteen heads of state will attend, including economic powerhouses Brazil and Mexico, as well as the rising emerging powers Chile, Colombia, and Peru.

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The main goal of the summit is to “propel renewed relations,” Prince Felipe, Spanish heir to the throne, said recently, echoing the message pushed by organizers. Relations can be transformed by strengthening ties already in place and by “opening new frontiers that are good in this juncture that Spain and Portugal are living,” said Enrique Iglesias, the Ibero-American secretary general, in a Q&A published in Spanish media this week.

Spanish press described it more succinctly as the country seeking a “lifejacket” from Latin America.
The economic imperative

Spain’s economy has been free-falling since the crisis began in 2007, only managing to pull off discreet growth in 2011. Record unemployment tops 25 percent and continues to rise, and most forecasts expect further acute economic contraction in 2012 and 2013, with only modest recovery thereafter.

Portugal is in worse shape, and its finances are already being supervised by the European Union and International Monetary Fund after requesting a bailout.

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Crocus sativus wrote:.


Role reversal : Spain and Portugal looking to their one-time colonies for help


All comes to NUMBERS

Portugal compaired to Brazil is like a dot on the (economic) map .. Spain not much better compaired to the latino Amigos

The tables have turned since the 2007 edition, when King Juan Carlos infamously said “Why don’t you be quiet” to Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez in a moment which came to represent Spain’s arrogance and Latin American muscle flexing. Today, Spain and Portugal are in dire economic shape and will remain crippled for at least another couple of years, if not more.

In contrast, Latin America is consolidating its political and economic transition toward stability, despite strong headwind from the global slowdown. Eighteen heads of state will attend, including economic powerhouses Brazil and Mexico, as well as the rising emerging powers Chile, Colombia, and Peru.

Think you know Latin America ? Take our geography quiz.

The main goal of the summit is to “propel renewed relations,” Prince Felipe, Spanish heir to the throne, said recently, echoing the message pushed by organizers. Relations can be transformed by strengthening ties already in place and by “opening new frontiers that are good in this juncture that Spain and Portugal are living,” said Enrique Iglesias, the Ibero-American secretary general, in a Q&A published in Spanish media this week.

Spanish press described it more succinctly as the country seeking a “lifejacket” from Latin America.
The economic imperative

Spain’s economy has been free-falling since the crisis began in 2007, only managing to pull off discreet growth in 2011. Record unemployment tops 25 percent and continues to rise, and most forecasts expect further acute economic contraction in 2012 and 2013, with only modest recovery thereafter.

Portugal is in worse shape, and its finances are already being supervised by the European Union and International Monetary Fund after requesting a bailout.

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Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari.
never liked monarchy
But you do seem to like Empire/Hegemony........ ;)

More seriously, I believe I prefer a Constitutional Republic with a Well Armed Populace.........

But that is what I grew up with.........

There may be other systems that might also work........ with the right Killer Apes........

And I will not condemn Kings too much.........

There have been some bad ones but.........

Given that the human race is composed mostly of depraved sinful Killer Ape Egotistical Chaos Monkeys.........

It should be no surprise that in that brutally honest book in the Tanakh/Old Testament, The Book of Judges, after some awful atrocity is recounted it is written.....

"And there was no King in Israel and every man did what was right in his own eyes"

The principle is still often valid........

SadDam Hussein was a VERY BAD Killer Ape Chaos Monkey...... You know that better than me.....

But once SadDam was gone..... Things got worse for the minorities in Iraq/Babylonia..... And it was even more Sad & Damned :twisted: :evil:

Similar Situation and Same thing may happen in Syria if Assad goes ............

Something AIUI you and I both hope will not happen....... If for different reasons.........
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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/541a4b38-3afe ... z2DiwlysHO

Brazil adds to emerging market slowdown

By Joe Leahy in Rio de Janeiro and Stefan Wagstyl in London

Brazil’s economy is set for one of its weakest annual performances in a decade after it grew only half of the pace analysts and the government expected in the third quarter.

The disappointing performance, in which the economy expanded 0.6 per cent in the three months to end-September compared with the second quarter, comes in spite of a prediction this week from Guido Mantega, finance minister, this week of a robust recovery in the second half of 2012.

Aside from the weak third quarter figure, Brazil’s statistics agency also revised down its growth numbers for the first and second quarters, meaning that even with a stronger performance in the three months ending December the economy will probably only grow about 1 per cent this year.

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Nomura said the weak performance in Brazil was driven by a 2 per cent fall in investment compared with the previous quarter, the biggest such fall since early 2009. 
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Condolences.
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Brazil NightClub Fire-233 dead-Always know your exits

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PSA - Always know the exits when entering a public venue....... Hotel, Theater, Night Club........

Think what would happen if there was a fire or a shooter.......

If you have to be in a place with one exit...... often best to be near it......... *

SAO PAULO, Brazil — Police in Santa Maria said Monday they've made three arrests and are seeking a fourth person in connection with a nightclub fire that killed 233 people.

Inspector Ranolfo Vieira Junior said the arrests are for investigative purposes. He said the detentions have five-day limits. A preliminary investigation indicated that a band's pyrotechnics show ignited the blaze. One band member died in the blaze.

The Zero Hora newspaper quoted lawyer Jader Marques as saying his client Elissandro Spohr, a co-owner of the club, was arrested. The paper also said two band members were arrested.

Partygoers fleeing the nightclub were briefly delayed by security guards routinely charged with ensuring that bar tabs are paid, police said.

Firefighters arriving minutes later were hampered by the pile of bodies blocking the lone exit.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... e/1867777/

On the Radio.....

As rescue workers were retrieving the bodies, the cell phones on the bodies were going off with call by friends and relatives to see if the victims were ok... :shock: :o


* This happens in Uz too..........


Reminds me of the Great White fire....... Band setting off fireworks inside according to reports..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Station_nightclub_fire


And of the Garment District Fire in New York City ~ 100 years ago........

Killer Klown Bosses in that one got off way too easy......Thanks to a petit fogging lawyer........

Even made a profit off the dead...........

And locked the fire doors at the next factory........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_S ... ctory_fire

IIRC There & then as here and now, the security guards slowed down the exit because the management was worried about theft......

Come to think of it that happened in that Chicken Plant Fire not so long ago too.........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet_chi ... plant_fire
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Troops bulldoze homes, leave thousands homeless

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Troops bulldoze homes, leave thousands homeless
Soldiers wearing U.N. logos evict whole towns in land grab

By Alex Newman

Thousands of poor Brazilian families are living in wretched conditions at make-shift refugee camps after being evicted from their homes at gunpoint by federal forces, some of whom were sporting United Nations logos, according to sources.
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The massive operation, which left an estimated 7,500 or more people, including thousands of children, homeless was justified by authorities under the guise of creating an Indian reservation.

Towns literally have been wiped off the map, and no compensation was offered to the victims. About 400,000 acres of land were expropriated in the latest operation.

Residents in the Siua-Missu area in the state of Mato Grosso battled heavily armed federal police and military forces for weeks using sticks, rocks, Molotov cocktails and other crude weapons.

In the end, however, the powerful national government forces were overwhelming.

Virtually all of the residents have now been displaced, living in squalor, packed into school gymnasiums in nearby towns. Others are living on charity under plastic tarps propped up with sticks with no clean water or sewage services.

Leaders of the feeble resistance, meanwhile, are being hunted down by authorities for punishment.

It was in 1993, shortly after the first United Nations summit on sustainable development in Rio de Janeiro, when the scheme was proposed. The Brazilian government’s executive branch decreed that the land in question belonged to Indians.

“These areas are marked off with rushed studies by leftist anthropologists, ideological and hardly scientific,” Fernando Furquim with the Movement for Peace in the Countryside, a non-profit organization that supports private property rights, told WND.

“The conflicts between the productive sector and Indians are assuming greater proportions,” he added. “Countless non-governmental organizations have appeared, many from abroad, to involve themselves in the question.”

Brazilian officials, meanwhile, sent WND an error-riddled statement containing claims that victims were not entitled to compensation but that some would be re-settled elsewhere if they qualified under the “agrarian reform” program.

Authorities also told WND that the U.N. was not involved in the eviction efforts but that the organization’s logos were on the military equipment and personnel because they had recently returned from “peace-keeping” abroad.

In Suia-Missu, legal battles ensued after the executive decree as property owners with valid deeds to their land fought back. Many of the residents have lived in the area for decades, and some were born there.

Their properties were mostly purchased as larger farms in the area and sold off in pieces in recent decades. Some were inherited from relatives.

The Brazilian courts eventually ruled that the forced evictions could proceed, so in November, residents were given 30 days to vacate their land.

Most refused to leave, but heavily armed Brazilian troops and federal police were too powerful for the poor farmers in the area to resist.

“The evicted victims are now living at schools in Alto da Boa Vista and camps, with some being sheltered by relatives,” Naves Bispo, a local resident and victim of the land-grab scheme, told WND, adding that the situation was dire and deteriorating.

“None of the people were relocated by the government, despite the government’s lies,” he noted. “There never existed a plan for these people, there was just an expulsion: brief, brutal and grotesque.”

Like other victims and analysts who spoke with WND, Bispo was unsure about why Brazilian authorities had decided to create an Indian reservation on land that was never occupied by Indians and was already lawfully owned.

Official documents obtained by WND show that in the 1970s, the National Indian Foundation, part of the Brazilian Justice Ministry, twice confirmed that Indians had never lived on the land in question.

“I know and feel that we are once again in a dictatorial state run by followers of Fidel, of Mao, of Che,” Bispo continued, pointing to the ruling Brazilian Workers’ Party (PT) and its well-documented links to tyrannical regimes in the region.

“This is terror against the poor, a strongly surging plague, very organized, an affront to democracy in the Americas,” he added. “I lost my land, my work area, but I will never lose my ideals.”

Residents resist

While the press was barred from documenting much of the battle, local news reports showed the true extent of the human tragedy. Many critics have said it constitutes forced relocation, a crime against humanity under international agreements.

Gas station owner Arnaldo da Costa, reportedly the first person to be notified of the evictions, lamented the situation in a TV interview.

“This is the worst day of my life, the worst in my 53 years,” he said. “I told the guy to find a place for us, show me where we’re supposed to go.”

Another man interviewed for the same segment started his grocery store 30 years ago and was set to lose his life’s work if forced to leave.

Meanwhile, authorities would not even let farmers pick their own crops, a young student told the interviewer.

“We planted over 100 acres of rice that they won’t let us harvest, we wasted 90,000 Brazilian reals ($45,000), and they simply will not let us harvest it,” she said, crying. “Sad, very sad, sad, lots of anguish, lots of suffering.”

Some residents, though, were defiant.

“I am going to stay here until I die,” Eliezer Rocha told a TV news crew. “I prefer to be killed by a bullet than to die of a broken heart later without a place to live, without a place to work.”

The sentiment was widespread as poverty-stricken locals, on the verge of losing their only means of subsistence and virtually all of their property, tried to keep federal forces at bay with improvised weapons and mass demonstrations.

Some residents burned Brazilian flags while others organized patrols, in vain, to chase the police and military away.

Local politicians, state lawmakers and even federal members of the Brazilian Congress spoke out as well.

“Ten people were injured in this clash,” Brazilian Sen. Jayme Campos from Mato Grosso was quoted as saying in Brazilian media reports after one of the many battles that raged between residents and federal troops.

“Any and all aggression by government forces will correspond inevitably with a violent reaction from the community,” he said.

Drawing attention to the thousands of people being forcibly evicted with no place to go, Campos said they were doing nothing but waging “a desperate fight to maintain the achievements of their entire life’s work, sweat, and sacrifices.”

To defuse the situation and prevent deaths, the senator called for a temporary suspension of the evictions and a change in the Constitution that would allow lawmakers to have some control over the executive branch’s currently unilateral establishment of “Indian lands” wherever it chooses.

The “extreme measures” being pursued by authorities, he said, were inappropriate.

“These rural farmers are willing to do anything: to kill and be killed,” Sen. Campos observed. “A tragedy can happen at any moment.”

His pleas, along with those of fellow lawmakers, fell on deaf ears.

All over

By Jan. 18, Brazilian authorities claimed that the entire area had been “cleared.”

Many of the structures – homes, churches, schools, a hospital, playgrounds, farms and more – were already bulldozed. The rest will be razed soon.

“This is a real shame what is going on here,” local property owner Paulo Gonçalves, whose land was also expropriated, told WND in a phone interview. “A great injustice is being committed against these people. They have nowhere to go, no plan.”

Another local resident, who did not respond to a request for permission to use his name by press time, told a similar story.

“My father had 2,000 hectares in the region and lost everything,” the young man told WND. “He had six employees who worked directly or indirectly on the farm, and today they are living on charity and almost suffering from hunger and have had not any help from the federal government.”

Local media reports showed tearful residents telling reporters their whole world had come crashing down in an instant.

“We’re looking for a place to go, I still don’t know. Everybody left here without knowing where they were going to go,” Juvenil Moreira, a local farmer, said as tears ran down his face.

“It wasn’t voluntary. They came and threatened us. The feds already came in my house two times and threatened me, saying that if I didn’t leave, they were going to confiscate all of my possessions,” he added. “I told them I didn’t have anywhere to go but they don’t want to hear it.”

“There hasn’t been a single person who has been re-settled by government agencies –not a single person,” Moreira explained, contradicting government claims that it would assist certain small farmers as part of its “agrarian reform” policy.

Another local farmer, Mamede Jordao, said a federal officer had threatened to take him in a helicopter and throw him out if he continued to speak out against the evictions.

The communities’ were also forced to leave all of their dead behind in graveyards that includes plots decades old.

Combined, residents of the area also owned hundreds of thousands of cows. Now they have nowhere to put them.

Much livestock was left behind, too, as locals tried to save whatever animals – dogs, cats, chickens – that they could take with them to their new refugee camp “homes.”

Charity

Some help has arrived.

Christian preachers from hundreds of miles away have been gathering tons of food and assistance from their congregations to ship to the displaced victims.

Concerned citizens throughout the region have been donating, too. And towns in the area have tried their best to help shelter as many families as possible with the few resources available to them.

At least one local businessman has also promised to donate some land so people can rebuild their homes and try to eke out a meager living from the soil once again.

One of the town people found temporary refuge in Alto da Boa Vista, where Mayor Nezip Domingues promised to help despite his people’s lack of resources.

He thanked all of the concerned citizens in the region who sent assistance.

“In truth, if it was not for the actions that these groups and society are taking – they are so moved by the situation in Siua Missu – we don’t know what we would have done,” Domingues said in a TV interview.

“Our municipality does not have the resources to attend to these necessities, so we’re thankful from our hearts for everybody who has helped these families,” he added.

Sources told WND that the people would be eternally grateful to God and to the pastors and congregations for the help being provided by Christians in the region.

However, the refugees also feel a sense of humiliation. Once independent, they now must depend on donations just to feed their own children.

Hope

Locals are still petitioning the government to undo the relocation, which they say has shattered thousands of lives, by returning the land and offering compensation for the loss of their houses.

A few still cling to a small ray of hope, thinking God may intervene or that the federal government will realize the error of its ways.

“There’s a small ray of hope, but it exists,” farmer Romão Flor told TV Araguaia in an interview after detailing the miserable living conditions evicted residents are suffering.

“However, the government is very strong, the Indian agency is very strong, the pressure from foreign interests is very strong, and the NGOs are very strong,” he said.

“It won’t be easy.”

Others, however, have all but given up after seeing what remains of their former hardscrabble towns and homes.

“I just got back from there, to see what had become of [the town of] Posto da Mata. It’s over,” sobbed a young mother and small farmer named Maria da Costa from her new “home” in a school gym, shared by eight other families. She broke down into tears before finishing her thought.

An elderly woman next to her, also crying, added: “They destroyed our people. Our whole world is destroyed.”

The lands

Brazilian officials told WND that the land in question had traditionally been occupied by the Xavante Indian tribe, which was expelled from nearby areas in the 1960s by government forces so settlers could move in.

However, numerous documents obtained by WND, and testimony from Xavante Indians, show that the tribe never occupied the land in question.

One Xavante Indian, for example, speaking at a local rally, blasted FUNAI for seizing the lands, saying the agency was operating at the expense of Indians and expropriating property in their name, but that it was not interested in the truth.

“They know that the Xavantes live in the cerrado (savannah-type region as opposed to forest) and that you’re living here,” the elderly Indian exclaimed.

“Now, help,” he continued, pointing his finger in the faces of some government officials at the gathering. “Give back everything you’ve stolen from the Indians and from the whole human race.”

Turning to the crowd again, he concluded: “We want to stay in our place, and you stay in yours.”

A Brazilian congressional delegation that visited the area quoted four Xavantes who all said the same thing: Their tribe has never lived in the area in question.

FUNAI itself admitted as much in the 1970s, twice, when asked by a large landowner for development purposes to certify that no Indians had ever lived there.

The tribe, which consists of around 14,000 members and already has about 3.5 million acres of land in Mato Grosso, was offered a better piece of land by the state government to avoid the forced evictions.

The real reasons

While it is remains unclear whether the U.N. was involved in the most recent forced eviction, the actions are in line with an international agreement on indigenous people, analysts say.

Local rancher Sebastian Prado told reporters that authorities were essentially running an extortion racket seeking millions of dollars in exchange for halting the land grab.

Upon speaking out, he was personally attacked by a top federal official.

“Mr. Sebastian Prado will be prosecuted for his lies against Secretary Paulo Maldos and will pay in the courts for his folly and irresponsibility,” Chief Minister Gilberto Carvalho with the General Secretariat of the President said in a press release.

Numerous other possible motives, however, have also been identified.

Among the most frequently cited: pressure from foreign NGOs like Greenpeace and religious persecution of the conservative and devout evangelical communities there by powerful Catholic “liberation theology” forces.

Victims and analysts who spoke with WND also identified as a probable cause the effort to advance socialism in Brazil and the broader region by eroding property rights and attacking independent citizens like farmers and ranchers, a process that is already well underway in Latin America led in large part by senior PT officials.

Finally, mega-corporations from abroad and foreign governments hoping to extract rare minerals have been cited as well.

United Nations agreement

A little-known U.N. agreement dubbed the “Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People,” approved by the global body’s General Assembly in 2007, has been cited as a justification for expropriating the land.

While the U.S. originally rejected the controversial U.N. scheme, which purports to require the surrender of lands “traditionally” occupied by natives, President Obama signed on to it in late 2010.

Last year, in a move that drew a mix of ridicule and alarm from critics, U.N. Special Rapporteur on the Rights of Indigenous People James Anaya visited the U.S.

He concluded, among other points, that Mount Rushmore and vast tracts of land should be returned to Native Americans to put the U.S. government closer to compliance with the global agreement.

Several lawmakers contacted by WND were aware of the situation in Brazil, but none were willing to comment publicly about it at this time.

Still, analysts say that with the U.N. and authoritarian-minded governments seeking to exploit past injustices against indigenous people to advance their agenda, the danger will continue to grow – at least without international pressure on Brazilian authorities, who are desperately trying to polish their image on the global stage.

Socialism

The march of socialism in Latin America, meanwhile, continues, backed by foreign powers and largely under the radar of the Western media.

It is making great progress through the Foro de São Paulo (FSP), a shadowy socialist and communist political organization founded by former Brazilian President Luiz Inacio “Lula” da Silva with the PT, Marxist despot Fidel Castro, the Sandinistas and others.

Marxist narco-terror groups like the FARC have also been intimately involved in the group, including by providing funding from the drug trade to advance the cause.

Today, political parties that are part of the FSP, such as the Brazilian PT, control most national governments in Latin America. Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, for example, is a prominent participant, as are other, less-known socialist strongmen.

Current Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff, a “former” communist guerrilla and revolutionary, is also playing an increasingly important in the network.
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WND? UN takeovers? Where's my tin foil....
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Re: Brazil

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Sorry to post it in Portuguese, but since Portuguese is the sixth most spoken language on our planet, maybe one should start making an effort to read it...
Os donos da terra!

(...) [N]o corredor estratégico da BR-158, ainda sem asfalto, na divisa dos municípios de Alto Boa Vista e São Félix do Araguaia, índios xavantes disputam a posse da antiga fazenda Suiá-Missu com cerca de cinco mil pessoas, entre grandes fazendeiros e posseiros. A área em litígio tem cerca de 150 mil hectares e representa cerca de 70% do território do município de Alto Boa Vista, distante 1.051 quilômetros de Cuiabá.

O processo que já tramita na Justiça Federal há mais de vinte anos está próximo de uma decisão final, uma vez que nas duas instâncias inferiores a vitória foi dos indígenas, o que levou o Ministério Público a sugerir um projeto de desocupação da área enquanto o advogado das famílias tenta uma liminar para levar o conflito até o Supremo Tribunal Federal (STF).

A Fundação Nacional do Índio (Funai) alega que por volta de 1966 um grupo empresarial chegou à região levantando cercas e criando as bases da fazenda Suiá-Missu, obrigando muitos índios a trabalharem no campo. Mais tarde, cerca de 230 xavantes foram transferidos em aviões da Força Aérea Brasileira (FAB) para uma reserva no sul do Estado.

Anos depois, o controle da fazenda passou para uma agropecuária e em 1980 para uma empresa petrolífera multinacional. Esta, por sua vez, teria feito um acordo com o governo federal durante a Conferência ECO92, devolvendo a terra aos xavantes.

Mas o fato só teria sido registrado em cartório no ano de 1998, dando a propriedade da fazenda Suiá-Missu à União que, por sua vez, através de um decreto do então presidente da República Fernando Henrique Cardoso, declarou que a área é indígena.

Mesmo com a declaração de posse, os índios não podiam retornar para a região devido à ocupação das famílias e a degradação do solo com as pastagens e lavouras. Foi assim que começou a disputa judicial pelas terras.

O presidente da Associação dos Produtores da Suiá-Missu, Renato Teodoro, relata que mesmo sem uma definição há cerca de oito anos um pequeno grupo com 130 xavantes subiu o Araguaia até o pequeno povoado do “Posto da Mata” e acampou às margens da rodovia, posteriormente entrando cerca de 15 quilômetros na mata, onde construiu novamente suas ocas enquanto aguarda o desfecho. Teodoro diz que as cerca de sete mil pessoas se instalaram na região a pedido do governo federal, e que quando chegaram não havia mais índios na área.

Apesar de grande parte dos produtores rurais apresentarem a documentação da terra, o Ministério Público questiona o valor legal das escrituras lavradas em cartório. “Se há um culpado nisso é o governo federal, que agiu de má-fé ao estimular a ocupação de uma área indígena”, afirma Renato Teodoro.

http://www.rdmonline.com.br/TNX/conteud ... 0&cid=3335
As to the FUNAI (Fundação Nacional do Índio), it has given the following explanation about this question:
Esclarecimentos da Funai sobre a Suiá Missú
Marãiwatsédé foi homologada por decreto presidencial, em 1998, e é reconhecida como terra tradicional indígena em sucessivas decisões judiciais.

A Fundação Nacional do Índio (Funai) vem a público esclarecer informações sobre o processo de desintrusão da Terra Indígena Marãiwatsédé, do povo Xavante, no estado do Mato Grosso:

1) A Terra Indígena Marãiwatsédé foi reconhecida pelo Estado brasileiro como terra tradicional o que, pelos termos do Art. 231 da Constituição, tornam nulos todos os títulos nela incidentes, não gerando direito a indenizações, salvo pelas benfeitorias de boa-fé. O que ocorreu, na década de 1990, foi a manifestação ao governo brasileiro da empresa petrolífera italiana Agip, que detinha a posse da área, no sentido de colaborar com a demarcação da terra indígena. Durante a ECO 92, houve o reconhecimento público do direito indígena à terra, que deu início à devolução do território aos Xavante de Marãiwatsédé. Enquanto a decisão se concretizava, ocorreram invasões ao local, até então preservado, gerando um clima de instabilidade e tensão entre indígenas e não indígenas, que se estende até hoje.

2) A ação de desocupação dos não índios da TI Marãiwatsédé teve início em agosto de 2012, atendendo decisão do Juízo da Primeira Vara de Cuiabá/MT, que, em julho deste ano, determinou o prosseguimento da execução da sentença para efetuar a retirada dos não índios e garantir o usufruto exclusivo e a posse plena do povo Xavante sobre a Terra Indígena Marãiwatsédé, conforme determina o Artigo 231 da Constituição Federal.>>>

3) A ação de retirada dos ocupantes não indígenas foi planejada por uma equipe de trabalho interministerial do Governo Federal – formada por Ministério da Justiça, Fundação Nacional do Índio (Funai), Secretaria Geral da Presidência da República, Instituto Brasileiro do Meio Ambiente e dos Recursos Naturais Renováveis/Ministério do Meio Ambiente (Ibama/MMA), Ministério da Defesa, Secretaria Especial de Saúde Indígena/Ministério da Saúde (Sesai/MS), Instituto Nacional de Colonização e Reforma Agrária/ Ministério do Desenvolvimento Agrário (Incra/MDA), Ministério do Desenvolvimento Social e Combate à Fome, Centro Gestor e Operacional do Sistema de Proteção da Amazônia (Censipam), Polícia Federal, Força Nacional de Segurança Pública e Polícia Rodoviária Federal – com apoio logístico do Exército brasileiro, a fim de garantir uma desintrusão pacífica, com segurança e dignidade para todos, indígenas e não indígenas.

4) A saída dos não indígenas é uma determinação da Justiça, comunicada via mandado judicial aos ocupantes ilegais da Terra Indígena Marãiwatsédé. As notificações começaram a ser entregues por Oficiais de Justiça, no dia 7/11/2012, e tiveram prosseguimento até o dia 17/11/2012.

5) A decisão judicial determinava que fossem realizadas notificações pessoais, ou seja, todas as pessoas que estivessem na área deveriam ser notificadas, independentemente de serem residentes ou não. Desta forma, no período de 7 a 17/11/2012, foram notificadas um total de: 455 pessoas, em 242 empreendimentos (casas, comércios e fazendas). Mais da metade destas notificações (253) foi feita no distrito de Posto da Mata, onde houve resistência de pequena parte dos ocupantes. Foram ainda localizados 43 empreendimentos abandonados ou sem moradores.

6) O levantamento preliminar desta primeira ação indica que cerca de 80% dos empreendimentos já foram notificados, levando a considerar que o número real de ocupantes não indígenas é bem inferior ao número amplamente divulgado na região.

7) Constatou-se que a população não indígena, em sua quase totalidade, recebeu as notificações de maneira pacífica e ordeira e que muitas pessoas já sabiam da situação irregular quando chegaram à área. E ainda, vários moradores notificados informaram que lideranças locais orientaram, inicialmente, a população a não receber a notificação. Em um segundo momento, as mesmas lideranças passaram a incentivar a população a procurar os Oficiais de Justiça e receber a notificação, com o propósito de corroborar o número de moradores propagado.

8) Apesar de as ocupações não-indígenas serem consideradas de má-fé pelo Poder Judiciário (o que isenta o pagamento de indenizações), o Governo Federal se comprometeu a realizar o reassentamento das famílias que atendam aos critérios e normativas do programa de reforma agrária. Dessa forma, o Incra está realizando o cadastro dos agricultores. Até o momento, foram cadastradas 45 famílias.

Por fim, a Funai reafirma a legalidade do processo de regularização da Terra Indígena Marãiwatsédé – homologada por decreto presidencial em 1998 e reconhecida por sucessivas decisões judiciais –, que legitima o direito constitucional do povo Xavante de voltar a viver em seu local originário, com a garantia do usufruto e da posse permanente de sua terra.

Fundação Nacional do Índio – Funai
Brasília, 28 de novembro de 2012.
It appears clear that Brazilian courts have systematically recognized the Indians' rights to that land. It's not a decision by the government, is a ruling by the courts. One may therefore assume that the Xavante Indians have indeed an historic right to that land, and that we are simply witnessing an (unusual) act of justice being done.
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Troops bulldoze homes, leave thousands homeless
Soldiers wearing U.N. logos evict whole towns in land grab

By Alex Newman

Thousands of poor Brazilian families are living in wretched conditions at make-shift refugee camps after being evicted from their homes at gunpoint by federal forces, some of whom were sporting United Nations logos, according to sources.
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The massive operation, which left an estimated 7,500 or more people, including thousands of children, homeless was justified by authorities under the guise of creating an Indian reservation.

Towns literally have been wiped off the map, and no compensation was offered to the victims. About 400,000 acres of land were expropriated in the latest operation.

Residents in the Siua-Missu area in the state of Mato Grosso battled heavily armed federal police and military forces for weeks using sticks, rocks, Molotov cocktails and other crude weapons.

In the end, however, the powerful national government forces were overwhelming.

Virtually all of the residents have now been displaced, living in squalor, packed into school gymnasiums in nearby towns. Others are living on charity under plastic tarps propped up with sticks with no clean water or sewage services.

Leaders of the feeble resistance, meanwhile, are being hunted down by authorities for punishment.

It was in 1993, shortly after the first United Nations summit on sustainable development in Rio de Janeiro, when the scheme was proposed. The Brazilian government’s executive branch decreed that the land in question belonged to Indians.

“These areas are marked off with rushed studies by leftist anthropologists, ideological and hardly scientific,” Fernando Furquim with the Movement for Peace in the Countryside, a non-profit organization that supports private property rights, told WND.

“The conflicts between the productive sector and Indians are assuming greater proportions,” he added. “Countless non-governmental organizations have appeared, many from abroad, to involve themselves in the question.”

Brazilian officials, meanwhile, sent WND an error-riddled statement containing claims that victims were not entitled to compensation but that some would be re-settled elsewhere if they qualified under the “agrarian reform” program.

Authorities also told WND that the U.N. was not involved in the eviction efforts but that the organization’s logos were on the military equipment and personnel because they had recently returned from “peace-keeping” abroad.

In Suia-Missu, legal battles ensued after the executive decree as property owners with valid deeds to their land fought back. Many of the residents have lived in the area for decades, and some were born there.

Their properties were mostly purchased as larger farms in the area and sold off in pieces in recent decades. Some were inherited from relatives.

The Brazilian courts eventually ruled that the forced evictions could proceed, so in November, residents were given 30 days to vacate their land.

Most refused to leave, but heavily armed Brazilian troops and federal police were too powerful for the poor farmers in the area to resist.

“The evicted victims are now living at schools in Alto da Boa Vista and camps, with some being sheltered by relatives,” Naves Bispo, a local resident and victim of the land-grab scheme, told WND, adding that the situation was dire and deteriorating.

“None of the people were relocated by the government, despite the government’s lies,” he noted. “There never existed a plan for these people, there was just an expulsion: brief, brutal and grotesque.”

Like other victims and analysts who spoke with WND, Bispo was unsure about why Brazilian authorities had decided to create an Indian reservation on land that was never occupied by Indians and was already lawfully owned.

Official documents obtained by WND show that in the 1970s, the National Indian Foundation, part of the Brazilian Justice Ministry, twice confirmed that Indians had never lived on the land in question.

“I know and feel that we are once again in a dictatorial state run by followers of Fidel, of Mao, of Che,” Bispo continued, pointing to the ruling Brazilian Workers’ Party (PT) and its well-documented links to tyrannical regimes in the region.

“This is terror against the poor, a strongly surging plague, very organized, an affront to democracy in the Americas,” he added. “I lost my land, my work area, but I will never lose my ideals.”

Residents resist

While the press was barred from documenting much of the battle, local news reports showed the true extent of the human tragedy. Many critics have said it constitutes forced relocation, a crime against humanity under international agreements.

Gas station owner Arnaldo da Costa, reportedly the first person to be notified of the evictions, lamented the situation in a TV interview.

“This is the worst day of my life, the worst in my 53 years,” he said. “I told the guy to find a place for us, show me where we’re supposed to go.”

Another man interviewed for the same segment started his grocery store 30 years ago and was set to lose his life’s work if forced to leave.

Meanwhile, authorities would not even let farmers pick their own crops, a young student told the interviewer.

“We planted over 100 acres of rice that they won’t let us harvest, we wasted 90,000 Brazilian reals ($45,000), and they simply will not let us harvest it,” she said, crying. “Sad, very sad, sad, lots of anguish, lots of suffering.”

Some residents, though, were defiant.

“I am going to stay here until I die,” Eliezer Rocha told a TV news crew. “I prefer to be killed by a bullet than to die of a broken heart later without a place to live, without a place to work.”

The sentiment was widespread as poverty-stricken locals, on the verge of losing their only means of subsistence and virtually all of their property, tried to keep federal forces at bay with improvised weapons and mass demonstrations.

Some residents burned Brazilian flags while others organized patrols, in vain, to chase the police and military away.

Local politicians, state lawmakers and even federal members of the Brazilian Congress spoke out as well.

“Ten people were injured in this clash,” Brazilian Sen. Jayme Campos from Mato Grosso was quoted as saying in Brazilian media reports after one of the many battles that raged between residents and federal troops.

“Any and all aggression by government forces will correspond inevitably with a violent reaction from the community,” he said.

Drawing attention to the thousands of people being forcibly evicted with no place to go, Campos said they were doing nothing but waging “a desperate fight to maintain the achievements of their entire life’s work, sweat, and sacrifices.”

To defuse the situation and prevent deaths, the senator called for a temporary suspension of the evictions and a change in the Constitution that would allow lawmakers to have some control over the executive branch’s currently unilateral establishment of “Indian lands” wherever it chooses.

The “extreme measures” being pursued by authorities, he said, were inappropriate.

“These rural farmers are willing to do anything: to kill and be killed,” Sen. Campos observed. “A tragedy can happen at any moment.”

His pleas, along with those of fellow lawmakers, fell on deaf ears.

All over

By Jan. 18, Brazilian authorities claimed that the entire area had been “cleared.”

Many of the structures – homes, churches, schools, a hospital, playgrounds, farms and more – were already bulldozed. The rest will be razed soon.

“This is a real shame what is going on here,” local property owner Paulo Gonçalves, whose land was also expropriated, told WND in a phone interview. “A great injustice is being committed against these people. They have nowhere to go, no plan.”

Another local resident, who did not respond to a request for permission to use his name by press time, told a similar story.

“My father had 2,000 hectares in the region and lost everything,” the young man told WND. “He had six employees who worked directly or indirectly on the farm, and today they are living on charity and almost suffering from hunger and have had not any help from the federal government.”

Local media reports showed tearful residents telling reporters their whole world had come crashing down in an instant.

“We’re looking for a place to go, I still don’t know. Everybody left here without knowing where they were going to go,” Juvenil Moreira, a local farmer, said as tears ran down his face.

“It wasn’t voluntary. They came and threatened us. The feds already came in my house two times and threatened me, saying that if I didn’t leave, they were going to confiscate all of my possessions,” he added. “I told them I didn’t have anywhere to go but they don’t want to hear it.”

“There hasn’t been a single person who has been re-settled by government agencies –not a single person,” Moreira explained, contradicting government claims that it would assist certain small farmers as part of its “agrarian reform” policy.

Another local farmer, Mamede Jordao, said a federal officer had threatened to take him in a helicopter and throw him out if he continued to speak out against the evictions.

The communities’ were also forced to leave all of their dead behind in graveyards that includes plots decades old.

Combined, residents of the area also owned hundreds of thousands of cows. Now they have nowhere to put them.

Much livestock was left behind, too, as locals tried to save whatever animals – dogs, cats, chickens – that they could take with them to their new refugee camp “homes.”

Charity

Some help has arrived.

Christian preachers from hundreds of miles away have been gathering tons of food and assistance from their congregations to ship to the displaced victims.

Concerned citizens throughout the region have been donating, too. And towns in the area have tried their best to help shelter as many families as possible with the few resources available to them.

At least one local businessman has also promised to donate some land so people can rebuild their homes and try to eke out a meager living from the soil once again.

One of the town people found temporary refuge in Alto da Boa Vista, where Mayor Nezip Domingues promised to help despite his people’s lack of resources.

He thanked all of the concerned citizens in the region who sent assistance.

“In truth, if it was not for the actions that these groups and society are taking – they are so moved by the situation in Siua Missu – we don’t know what we would have done,” Domingues said in a TV interview.

“Our municipality does not have the resources to attend to these necessities, so we’re thankful from our hearts for everybody who has helped these families,” he added.

Sources told WND that the people would be eternally grateful to God and to the pastors and congregations for the help being provided by Christians in the region.

However, the refugees also feel a sense of humiliation. Once independent, they now must depend on donations just to feed their own children.

Hope

Locals are still petitioning the government to undo the relocation, which they say has shattered thousands of lives, by returning the land and offering compensation for the loss of their houses.

A few still cling to a small ray of hope, thinking God may intervene or that the federal government will realize the error of its ways.

“There’s a small ray of hope, but it exists,” farmer Romão Flor told TV Araguaia in an interview after detailing the miserable living conditions evicted residents are suffering.

“However, the government is very strong, the Indian agency is very strong, the pressure from foreign interests is very strong, and the NGOs are very strong,” he said.

“It won’t be easy.”

Others, however, have all but given up after seeing what remains of their former hardscrabble towns and homes.

“I just got back from there, to see what had become of [the town of] Posto da Mata. It’s over,” sobbed a young mother and small farmer named Maria da Costa from her new “home” in a school gym, shared by eight other families. She broke down into tears before finishing her thought.

An elderly woman next to her, also crying, added: “They destroyed our people. Our whole world is destroyed.”

The lands

Brazilian officials told WND that the land in question had traditionally been occupied by the Xavante Indian tribe, which was expelled from nearby areas in the 1960s by government forces so settlers could move in.

However, numerous documents obtained by WND, and testimony from Xavante Indians, show that the tribe never occupied the land in question.

One Xavante Indian, for example, speaking at a local rally, blasted FUNAI for seizing the lands, saying the agency was operating at the expense of Indians and expropriating property in their name, but that it was not interested in the truth.

“They know that the Xavantes live in the cerrado (savannah-type region as opposed to forest) and that you’re living here,” the elderly Indian exclaimed.

“Now, help,” he continued, pointing his finger in the faces of some government officials at the gathering. “Give back everything you’ve stolen from the Indians and from the whole human race.”

Turning to the crowd again, he concluded: “We want to stay in our place, and you stay in yours.”

A Brazilian congressional delegation that visited the area quoted four Xavantes who all said the same thing: Their tribe has never lived in the area in question.

FUNAI itself admitted as much in the 1970s, twice, when asked by a large landowner for development purposes to certify that no Indians had ever lived there.

The tribe, which consists of around 14,000 members and already has about 3.5 million acres of land in Mato Grosso, was offered a better piece of land by the state government to avoid the forced evictions.

The real reasons

While it is remains unclear whether the U.N. was involved in the most recent forced eviction, the actions are in line with an international agreement on indigenous people, analysts say.

Local rancher Sebastian Prado told reporters that authorities were essentially running an extortion racket seeking millions of dollars in exchange for halting the land grab.

Upon speaking out, he was personally attacked by a top federal official.

“Mr. Sebastian Prado will be prosecuted for his lies against Secretary Paulo Maldos and will pay in the courts for his folly and irresponsibility,” Chief Minister Gilberto Carvalho with the General Secretariat of the President said in a press release.

Numerous other possible motives, however, have also been identified.

Among the most frequently cited: pressure from foreign NGOs like Greenpeace and religious persecution of the conservative and devout evangelical communities there by powerful Catholic “liberation theology” forces.

Victims and analysts who spoke with WND also identified as a probable cause the effort to advance socialism in Brazil and the broader region by eroding property rights and attacking independent citizens like farmers and ranchers, a process that is already well underway in Latin America led in large part by senior PT officials.

Finally, mega-corporations from abroad and foreign governments hoping to extract rare minerals have been cited as well.

United Nations agreement

A little-known U.N. agreement dubbed the “Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People,” approved by the global body’s General Assembly in 2007, has been cited as a justification for expropriating the land.

While the U.S. originally rejected the controversial U.N. scheme, which purports to require the surrender of lands “traditionally” occupied by natives, President Obama signed on to it in late 2010.

Last year, in a move that drew a mix of ridicule and alarm from critics, U.N. Special Rapporteur on the Rights of Indigenous People James Anaya visited the U.S.

He concluded, among other points, that Mount Rushmore and vast tracts of land should be returned to Native Americans to put the U.S. government closer to compliance with the global agreement.

Several lawmakers contacted by WND were aware of the situation in Brazil, but none were willing to comment publicly about it at this time.

Still, analysts say that with the U.N. and authoritarian-minded governments seeking to exploit past injustices against indigenous people to advance their agenda, the danger will continue to grow – at least without international pressure on Brazilian authorities, who are desperately trying to polish their image on the global stage.

Socialism

The march of socialism in Latin America, meanwhile, continues, backed by foreign powers and largely under the radar of the Western media.

It is making great progress through the Foro de São Paulo (FSP), a shadowy socialist and communist political organization founded by former Brazilian President Luiz Inacio “Lula” da Silva with the PT, Marxist despot Fidel Castro, the Sandinistas and others.

Marxist narco-terror groups like the FARC have also been intimately involved in the group, including by providing funding from the drug trade to advance the cause.

Today, political parties that are part of the FSP, such as the Brazilian PT, control most national governments in Latin America. Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, for example, is a prominent participant, as are other, less-known socialist strongmen.

Current Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff, a “former” communist guerrilla and revolutionary, is also playing an increasingly important in the network.
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Thank You Very Much for your post, Doc.

Well, Brazil is supposed to be the "Country of Tomorrow" ........

And AIUI Brazilians often add "And will be forever" ;) :twisted: :lol: :roll:

But maybe tomorrow has arrived in a dystopic sense...........

Which reminds me of Another Nutty ;) :twisted: Brazilian Dystopia.........


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_nut


Oops ;) .......... Wrong link........
Brazil is a 1985 British science fiction fantasy film directed by Terry Gilliam. It was written by Gilliam, Charles McKeown, and Tom Stoppard. The film stars Jonathan Pryce and features Robert De Niro, Kim Greist, Michael Palin, Katherine Helmond, Bob Hoskins, and Ian Holm. John Scalzi's Rough Guide to Sci-Fi Movies describes the film as a "dystopian satire".

The film centres on Sam Lowry, a man trying to find a woman who appears in his dreams while he is working in a mind-numbing job and living a life in a small apartment, set in a dystopian world in which there is an over-reliance on poorly maintained (and rather whimsical) machines. Brazil's bureaucratic, totalitarian government is reminiscent of the government depicted in George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four,[1][2] except that it has a buffoonish, slapstick quality and lacks a Big Brother figure.

Jack Mathews, film critic and author of The Battle of Brazil (1987), described the film as "satirizing the bureaucratic, largely dysfunctional industrial world that had been driving Gilliam crazy all his life".[3] Though a success in Europe, the film was unsuccessful in its initial North America release. It has since become a cult film.

The film is named after the recurrent theme song, "Aquarela do Brasil", as performed by Geoff Muldaur
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Fudderal Federals in Brazil _Unusual Justice.....

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Endovelico wrote:Sorry to post it in Portuguese, but since Portuguese is the sixth most spoken language on our planet, maybe one should start making an effort to read it...
Os donos da terra!

(...) [N]o corredor estratégico da BR-158, ainda sem asfalto, na divisa dos municípios de Alto Boa Vista e São Félix do Araguaia, índios xavantes disputam a posse da antiga fazenda Suiá-Missu com cerca de cinco mil pessoas, entre grandes fazendeiros e posseiros. A área em litígio tem cerca de 150 mil hectares e representa cerca de 70% do território do município de Alto Boa Vista, distante 1.051 quilômetros de Cuiabá.

O processo que já tramita na Justiça Federal há mais de vinte anos está próximo de uma decisão final, uma vez que nas duas instâncias inferiores a vitória foi dos indígenas, o que levou o Ministério Público a sugerir um projeto de desocupação da área enquanto o advogado das famílias tenta uma liminar para levar o conflito até o Supremo Tribunal Federal (STF).

A Fundação Nacional do Índio (Funai) alega que por volta de 1966 um grupo empresarial chegou à região levantando cercas e criando as bases da fazenda Suiá-Missu, obrigando muitos índios a trabalharem no campo. Mais tarde, cerca de 230 xavantes foram transferidos em aviões da Força Aérea Brasileira (FAB) para uma reserva no sul do Estado.

Anos depois, o controle da fazenda passou para uma agropecuária e em 1980 para uma empresa petrolífera multinacional. Esta, por sua vez, teria feito um acordo com o governo federal durante a Conferência ECO92, devolvendo a terra aos xavantes.

Mas o fato só teria sido registrado em cartório no ano de 1998, dando a propriedade da fazenda Suiá-Missu à União que, por sua vez, através de um decreto do então presidente da República Fernando Henrique Cardoso, declarou que a área é indígena.

Mesmo com a declaração de posse, os índios não podiam retornar para a região devido à ocupação das famílias e a degradação do solo com as pastagens e lavouras. Foi assim que começou a disputa judicial pelas terras.

O presidente da Associação dos Produtores da Suiá-Missu, Renato Teodoro, relata que mesmo sem uma definição há cerca de oito anos um pequeno grupo com 130 xavantes subiu o Araguaia até o pequeno povoado do “Posto da Mata” e acampou às margens da rodovia, posteriormente entrando cerca de 15 quilômetros na mata, onde construiu novamente suas ocas enquanto aguarda o desfecho. Teodoro diz que as cerca de sete mil pessoas se instalaram na região a pedido do governo federal, e que quando chegaram não havia mais índios na área.

Apesar de grande parte dos produtores rurais apresentarem a documentação da terra, o Ministério Público questiona o valor legal das escrituras lavradas em cartório. “Se há um culpado nisso é o governo federal, que agiu de má-fé ao estimular a ocupação de uma área indígena”, afirma Renato Teodoro.

http://www.rdmonline.com.br/TNX/conteud ... 0&cid=3335
As to the FUNAI (Fundação Nacional do Índio), it has given the following explanation about this question:
Esclarecimentos da Funai sobre a Suiá Missú
Marãiwatsédé foi homologada por decreto presidencial, em 1998, e é reconhecida como terra tradicional indígena em sucessivas decisões judiciais.

A Fundação Nacional do Índio (Funai) vem a público esclarecer informações sobre o processo de desintrusão da Terra Indígena Marãiwatsédé, do povo Xavante, no estado do Mato Grosso:

1) A Terra Indígena Marãiwatsédé foi reconhecida pelo Estado brasileiro como terra tradicional o que, pelos termos do Art. 231 da Constituição, tornam nulos todos os títulos nela incidentes, não gerando direito a indenizações, salvo pelas benfeitorias de boa-fé. O que ocorreu, na década de 1990, foi a manifestação ao governo brasileiro da empresa petrolífera italiana Agip, que detinha a posse da área, no sentido de colaborar com a demarcação da terra indígena. Durante a ECO 92, houve o reconhecimento público do direito indígena à terra, que deu início à devolução do território aos Xavante de Marãiwatsédé. Enquanto a decisão se concretizava, ocorreram invasões ao local, até então preservado, gerando um clima de instabilidade e tensão entre indígenas e não indígenas, que se estende até hoje.

2) A ação de desocupação dos não índios da TI Marãiwatsédé teve início em agosto de 2012, atendendo decisão do Juízo da Primeira Vara de Cuiabá/MT, que, em julho deste ano, determinou o prosseguimento da execução da sentença para efetuar a retirada dos não índios e garantir o usufruto exclusivo e a posse plena do povo Xavante sobre a Terra Indígena Marãiwatsédé, conforme determina o Artigo 231 da Constituição Federal.>>>

3) A ação de retirada dos ocupantes não indígenas foi planejada por uma equipe de trabalho interministerial do Governo Federal – formada por Ministério da Justiça, Fundação Nacional do Índio (Funai), Secretaria Geral da Presidência da República, Instituto Brasileiro do Meio Ambiente e dos Recursos Naturais Renováveis/Ministério do Meio Ambiente (Ibama/MMA), Ministério da Defesa, Secretaria Especial de Saúde Indígena/Ministério da Saúde (Sesai/MS), Instituto Nacional de Colonização e Reforma Agrária/ Ministério do Desenvolvimento Agrário (Incra/MDA), Ministério do Desenvolvimento Social e Combate à Fome, Centro Gestor e Operacional do Sistema de Proteção da Amazônia (Censipam), Polícia Federal, Força Nacional de Segurança Pública e Polícia Rodoviária Federal – com apoio logístico do Exército brasileiro, a fim de garantir uma desintrusão pacífica, com segurança e dignidade para todos, indígenas e não indígenas.

4) A saída dos não indígenas é uma determinação da Justiça, comunicada via mandado judicial aos ocupantes ilegais da Terra Indígena Marãiwatsédé. As notificações começaram a ser entregues por Oficiais de Justiça, no dia 7/11/2012, e tiveram prosseguimento até o dia 17/11/2012.

5) A decisão judicial determinava que fossem realizadas notificações pessoais, ou seja, todas as pessoas que estivessem na área deveriam ser notificadas, independentemente de serem residentes ou não. Desta forma, no período de 7 a 17/11/2012, foram notificadas um total de: 455 pessoas, em 242 empreendimentos (casas, comércios e fazendas). Mais da metade destas notificações (253) foi feita no distrito de Posto da Mata, onde houve resistência de pequena parte dos ocupantes. Foram ainda localizados 43 empreendimentos abandonados ou sem moradores.

6) O levantamento preliminar desta primeira ação indica que cerca de 80% dos empreendimentos já foram notificados, levando a considerar que o número real de ocupantes não indígenas é bem inferior ao número amplamente divulgado na região.

7) Constatou-se que a população não indígena, em sua quase totalidade, recebeu as notificações de maneira pacífica e ordeira e que muitas pessoas já sabiam da situação irregular quando chegaram à área. E ainda, vários moradores notificados informaram que lideranças locais orientaram, inicialmente, a população a não receber a notificação. Em um segundo momento, as mesmas lideranças passaram a incentivar a população a procurar os Oficiais de Justiça e receber a notificação, com o propósito de corroborar o número de moradores propagado.

8) Apesar de as ocupações não-indígenas serem consideradas de má-fé pelo Poder Judiciário (o que isenta o pagamento de indenizações), o Governo Federal se comprometeu a realizar o reassentamento das famílias que atendam aos critérios e normativas do programa de reforma agrária. Dessa forma, o Incra está realizando o cadastro dos agricultores. Até o momento, foram cadastradas 45 famílias.

Por fim, a Funai reafirma a legalidade do processo de regularização da Terra Indígena Marãiwatsédé – homologada por decreto presidencial em 1998 e reconhecida por sucessivas decisões judiciais –, que legitima o direito constitucional do povo Xavante de voltar a viver em seu local originário, com a garantia do usufruto e da posse permanente de sua terra.

Fundação Nacional do Índio – Funai
Brasília, 28 de novembro de 2012.
It appears clear that Brazilian courts have systematically recognized the Indians' rights to that land. It's not a decision by the government, is a ruling by the courts. One may therefore assume that the Xavante Indians have indeed an historic right to that land, and that we are simply witnessing an (unusual) act of justice being done.

Thank You Very Much for your post, Endo.


Sorry to post it in Portuguese, but since Portuguese is the sixth most spoken language on our planet, maybe one should start making an effort to read it...

Or maybe learn to use Google Translate or similar ;) in the meantime.......

Though learning Portuguese is a good idea given that the Southern Hemisphere may become only habitable hemisphere.........

GOOGLE!

TRANSLATE!

http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... CDQQ7gEwAA

Interesting.........
Teodoro says about seven thousand people settled in the area at the request of the federal government, and that when they arrived there were more Indians in the area.

Although much of the rural producers to submit documentation of the land, the prosecutor questioned the legal validity of the scriptures carved in office. "If there is a culprit in this is the federal government acted in bad faith by encouraging the use of an indigenous area," says Renato Teodoro

So Fudderal Federals in Brazil too........ With maybe a touch of Yosemite Sam........

Tell poor people to do something, then punish them for doing it........

It's not a decision by the government, is a ruling by the courts.
Are the courts part of the government? ;)

and that we are simply witnessing an (unusual) act of justice being done.
(bold and underlining added for emphasis by MG)

IMVHO Not so much....

What would be unusual would be if the Brazzy Fudderal Federal Brass ;) who encouraged the poor Brazilians Down in the Black Gang to move there were held responsible....
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Endovelico wrote:Sorry to post it in Portuguese, but since Portuguese is the sixth most spoken language on our planet, maybe one should start making an effort to read it...
Os donos da terra!

(...) [N]o corredor estratégico da BR-158, ainda sem asfalto, na divisa dos municípios de Alto Boa Vista e São Félix do Araguaia, índios xavantes disputam a posse da antiga fazenda Suiá-Missu com cerca de cinco mil pessoas, entre grandes fazendeiros e posseiros. A área em litígio tem cerca de 150 mil hectares e representa cerca de 70% do território do município de Alto Boa Vista, distante 1.051 quilômetros de Cuiabá.

O processo que já tramita na Justiça Federal há mais de vinte anos está próximo de uma decisão final, uma vez que nas duas instâncias inferiores a vitória foi dos indígenas, o que levou o Ministério Público a sugerir um projeto de desocupação da área enquanto o advogado das famílias tenta uma liminar para levar o conflito até o Supremo Tribunal Federal (STF).

A Fundação Nacional do Índio (Funai) alega que por volta de 1966 um grupo empresarial chegou à região levantando cercas e criando as bases da fazenda Suiá-Missu, obrigando muitos índios a trabalharem no campo. Mais tarde, cerca de 230 xavantes foram transferidos em aviões da Força Aérea Brasileira (FAB) para uma reserva no sul do Estado.

Anos depois, o controle da fazenda passou para uma agropecuária e em 1980 para uma empresa petrolífera multinacional. Esta, por sua vez, teria feito um acordo com o governo federal durante a Conferência ECO92, devolvendo a terra aos xavantes.

Mas o fato só teria sido registrado em cartório no ano de 1998, dando a propriedade da fazenda Suiá-Missu à União que, por sua vez, através de um decreto do então presidente da República Fernando Henrique Cardoso, declarou que a área é indígena.

Mesmo com a declaração de posse, os índios não podiam retornar para a região devido à ocupação das famílias e a degradação do solo com as pastagens e lavouras. Foi assim que começou a disputa judicial pelas terras.

O presidente da Associação dos Produtores da Suiá-Missu, Renato Teodoro, relata que mesmo sem uma definição há cerca de oito anos um pequeno grupo com 130 xavantes subiu o Araguaia até o pequeno povoado do “Posto da Mata” e acampou às margens da rodovia, posteriormente entrando cerca de 15 quilômetros na mata, onde construiu novamente suas ocas enquanto aguarda o desfecho. Teodoro diz que as cerca de sete mil pessoas se instalaram na região a pedido do governo federal, e que quando chegaram não havia mais índios na área.

Apesar de grande parte dos produtores rurais apresentarem a documentação da terra, o Ministério Público questiona o valor legal das escrituras lavradas em cartório. “Se há um culpado nisso é o governo federal, que agiu de má-fé ao estimular a ocupação de uma área indígena”, afirma Renato Teodoro.

http://www.rdmonline.com.br/TNX/conteud ... 0&cid=3335
As to the FUNAI (Fundação Nacional do Índio), it has given the following explanation about this question:
Esclarecimentos da Funai sobre a Suiá Missú
Marãiwatsédé foi homologada por decreto presidencial, em 1998, e é reconhecida como terra tradicional indígena em sucessivas decisões judiciais.

A Fundação Nacional do Índio (Funai) vem a público esclarecer informações sobre o processo de desintrusão da Terra Indígena Marãiwatsédé, do povo Xavante, no estado do Mato Grosso:

1) A Terra Indígena Marãiwatsédé foi reconhecida pelo Estado brasileiro como terra tradicional o que, pelos termos do Art. 231 da Constituição, tornam nulos todos os títulos nela incidentes, não gerando direito a indenizações, salvo pelas benfeitorias de boa-fé. O que ocorreu, na década de 1990, foi a manifestação ao governo brasileiro da empresa petrolífera italiana Agip, que detinha a posse da área, no sentido de colaborar com a demarcação da terra indígena. Durante a ECO 92, houve o reconhecimento público do direito indígena à terra, que deu início à devolução do território aos Xavante de Marãiwatsédé. Enquanto a decisão se concretizava, ocorreram invasões ao local, até então preservado, gerando um clima de instabilidade e tensão entre indígenas e não indígenas, que se estende até hoje.

2) A ação de desocupação dos não índios da TI Marãiwatsédé teve início em agosto de 2012, atendendo decisão do Juízo da Primeira Vara de Cuiabá/MT, que, em julho deste ano, determinou o prosseguimento da execução da sentença para efetuar a retirada dos não índios e garantir o usufruto exclusivo e a posse plena do povo Xavante sobre a Terra Indígena Marãiwatsédé, conforme determina o Artigo 231 da Constituição Federal.>>>

3) A ação de retirada dos ocupantes não indígenas foi planejada por uma equipe de trabalho interministerial do Governo Federal – formada por Ministério da Justiça, Fundação Nacional do Índio (Funai), Secretaria Geral da Presidência da República, Instituto Brasileiro do Meio Ambiente e dos Recursos Naturais Renováveis/Ministério do Meio Ambiente (Ibama/MMA), Ministério da Defesa, Secretaria Especial de Saúde Indígena/Ministério da Saúde (Sesai/MS), Instituto Nacional de Colonização e Reforma Agrária/ Ministério do Desenvolvimento Agrário (Incra/MDA), Ministério do Desenvolvimento Social e Combate à Fome, Centro Gestor e Operacional do Sistema de Proteção da Amazônia (Censipam), Polícia Federal, Força Nacional de Segurança Pública e Polícia Rodoviária Federal – com apoio logístico do Exército brasileiro, a fim de garantir uma desintrusão pacífica, com segurança e dignidade para todos, indígenas e não indígenas.

4) A saída dos não indígenas é uma determinação da Justiça, comunicada via mandado judicial aos ocupantes ilegais da Terra Indígena Marãiwatsédé. As notificações começaram a ser entregues por Oficiais de Justiça, no dia 7/11/2012, e tiveram prosseguimento até o dia 17/11/2012.

5) A decisão judicial determinava que fossem realizadas notificações pessoais, ou seja, todas as pessoas que estivessem na área deveriam ser notificadas, independentemente de serem residentes ou não. Desta forma, no período de 7 a 17/11/2012, foram notificadas um total de: 455 pessoas, em 242 empreendimentos (casas, comércios e fazendas). Mais da metade destas notificações (253) foi feita no distrito de Posto da Mata, onde houve resistência de pequena parte dos ocupantes. Foram ainda localizados 43 empreendimentos abandonados ou sem moradores.

6) O levantamento preliminar desta primeira ação indica que cerca de 80% dos empreendimentos já foram notificados, levando a considerar que o número real de ocupantes não indígenas é bem inferior ao número amplamente divulgado na região.

7) Constatou-se que a população não indígena, em sua quase totalidade, recebeu as notificações de maneira pacífica e ordeira e que muitas pessoas já sabiam da situação irregular quando chegaram à área. E ainda, vários moradores notificados informaram que lideranças locais orientaram, inicialmente, a população a não receber a notificação. Em um segundo momento, as mesmas lideranças passaram a incentivar a população a procurar os Oficiais de Justiça e receber a notificação, com o propósito de corroborar o número de moradores propagado.

8) Apesar de as ocupações não-indígenas serem consideradas de má-fé pelo Poder Judiciário (o que isenta o pagamento de indenizações), o Governo Federal se comprometeu a realizar o reassentamento das famílias que atendam aos critérios e normativas do programa de reforma agrária. Dessa forma, o Incra está realizando o cadastro dos agricultores. Até o momento, foram cadastradas 45 famílias.

Por fim, a Funai reafirma a legalidade do processo de regularização da Terra Indígena Marãiwatsédé – homologada por decreto presidencial em 1998 e reconhecida por sucessivas decisões judiciais –, que legitima o direito constitucional do povo Xavante de voltar a viver em seu local originário, com a garantia do usufruto e da posse permanente de sua terra.

Fundação Nacional do Índio – Funai
Brasília, 28 de novembro de 2012.
It appears clear that Brazilian courts have systematically recognized the Indians' rights to that land. It's not a decision by the government, is a ruling by the courts. One may therefore assume that the Xavante Indians have indeed an historic right to that land, and that we are simply witnessing an (unusual) act of justice being done.
The basic story told in your articles is that the Government first failed to protect the indigenous tribe then it failed to protect the people that built on the land that were not the ones at fault. That the government did in fact send in armed soldiers to remove them by force. As if there were no compromise that could have been reached.

So as per usual Government is at fault by promising people what belongs to others Then holding itself blameless when the bill comes due. But politicians and the governments they are part of always pick winners and losers based on the politics.

BTW my father in law was born in Mato Grosso. His family farm was taken over by squatters as well. But no chance his family will ever get the land back. Not that it was all that big just a few acres. It would not have been worth the cost to pay the lawyers. As the norm in Brasil is that squatters rights are near absolute.
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Doc wrote: The basic story told in your articles is that the Government first failed to protect the indigenous tribe then it failed to protect the people that built on the land that were not the ones at fault. That the government did in fact send in armed soldiers to remove them by force. As if there were no compromise that could have been reached.

So as per usual Government is at fault by promising people what belongs to others Then holding itself blameless when the bill comes due. But politicians and the governments they are part of always pick winners and losers based on the politics.

BTW my father in law was born in Mato Grosso. His family farm was taken over by squatters as well. But no chance his family will ever get the land back. Not that it was all that big just a few acres. It would not have been worth the cost to pay the lawyers. As the norm in Brasil is that squatters rights are near absolute.
You are right. Governments were at fault. But the remarkable thing here is that land is being given back to their original owners, the Xavante Indians. Not very usual to see justice being done to natives, isn't it?...
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Endovelico wrote:
Doc wrote: The basic story told in your articles is that the Government first failed to protect the indigenous tribe then it failed to protect the people that built on the land that were not the ones at fault. That the government did in fact send in armed soldiers to remove them by force. As if there were no compromise that could have been reached.

So as per usual Government is at fault by promising people what belongs to others Then holding itself blameless when the bill comes due. But politicians and the governments they are part of always pick winners and losers based on the politics.

BTW my father in law was born in Mato Grosso. His family farm was taken over by squatters as well. But no chance his family will ever get the land back. Not that it was all that big just a few acres. It would not have been worth the cost to pay the lawyers. As the norm in Brasil is that squatters rights are near absolute.
You are right. Governments were at fault. But the remarkable thing here is that land is being given back to their original owners, the Xavante Indians. Not very usual to see justice being done to natives, isn't it?...
Sure but kicking people out by military force? Without compromise? Seems like it was handled horribly.
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Doc wrote:
Endovelico wrote:
Doc wrote: The basic story told in your articles is that the Government first failed to protect the indigenous tribe then it failed to protect the people that built on the land that were not the ones at fault. That the government did in fact send in armed soldiers to remove them by force. As if there were no compromise that could have been reached.

So as per usual Government is at fault by promising people what belongs to others Then holding itself blameless when the bill comes due. But politicians and the governments they are part of always pick winners and losers based on the politics.

BTW my father in law was born in Mato Grosso. His family farm was taken over by squatters as well. But no chance his family will ever get the land back. Not that it was all that big just a few acres. It would not have been worth the cost to pay the lawyers. As the norm in Brasil is that squatters rights are near absolute.
You are right. Governments were at fault. But the remarkable thing here is that land is being given back to their original owners, the Xavante Indians. Not very usual to see justice being done to natives, isn't it?...
Sure but kicking people out by military force? Without compromise? Seems like it was handled horribly.
Thank You VERY Much for your post, Doc.

One thing I wonder about is why as mentioned in your original post were UN Troops involved in this mess?
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monster_gardener wrote:One thing I wonder about is why as mentioned in your original post were UN Troops involved in this mess?
They weren't. Some Brazilian soldiers had recently been on duty with a UN peacekeeping force and they still had their UN patches on their uniforms.
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monster_gardener wrote:One thing I wonder about is why as mentioned in your original post were UN Troops involved in this mess?
They weren't. Some Brazilian soldiers had recently been on duty with a UN peacekeeping force and they still had their UN patches on their uniforms.
Pretty lame excuse though. Said they didn't have time to take them off.
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Endovelico wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:One thing I wonder about is why as mentioned in your original post were UN Troops involved in this mess?
They weren't. Some Brazilian soldiers had recently been on duty with a UN peacekeeping force and they still had their UN patches on their uniforms.
Pretty lame excuse though. Said they didn't have time to take them off.
Thank You VERY Much for your posts, Endovelico & Doc.

Thank You VERY MUCH for the explanations.

Sounds plausible.....

I wondered if it was something lazy/stupid like that........

Imagining what would happen here in Uz if something similar happened............
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monster_gardener wrote:
Doc wrote:
Endovelico wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:One thing I wonder about is why as mentioned in your original post were UN Troops involved in this mess?
They weren't. Some Brazilian soldiers had recently been on duty with a UN peacekeeping force and they still had their UN patches on their uniforms.
Pretty lame excuse though. Said they didn't have time to take them off.
Thank You VERY Much for your posts, Endovelico & Doc.

Thank You VERY MUCH for the explanations.

Sounds plausible.....

I wondered if it was something lazy/stupid like that........

Imagining what would happen here in Uz if something similar happened............
It was most likely the national politicians in Brazil brown nosing officials at the UN.
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Endovelico wrote:Sorry to post it in Portuguese, but since Portuguese is the sixth most spoken language on our planet, maybe one should start making an effort to read it...

. . .
Sure. Right after I learn Mandarin, Spanish, Hindi, and Arabic . . . I'll give it another go.

The last time I wanted to impress a Brazilian girl [mid 1980's] I left some tapes on her desk and looked up the verb "to enjoy" in Portuguese.

So I wrote "Gozar!" in big letters on the blackboard above her desk.

On the plane, it occurred to me that I should back translate to check if I got it write.

So I pulled out my Portuguese-English dictionary and read

gozar. verb: to enjoy. colloq. Brazilian: to have an orgasm
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