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Remember the Buenos Aires bombing in 1994? Supposedly the Iranians were behind it . . .

Well . . . that is looking less likely . . .

from Garth Porter at atimes.com: The new revelations on Argentine-Iranian relations in the October 25 report by prosecutors Alberto Nisman and Marcello Marquez Burgos undermine the official argument that Iran's top leaders were motivated to order the bombing by Argentina's decision in 1992 to cut off its supply of nuclear materials to Iran.

Maybe someone wanted to sabotage negotiations between Argentina and Iran . . .

And then there's this:

Jewish Telegraph Agency article below

Jewish ex-Argentina gov’t official to be probed in AMIA bombing

June 30, 2013 4:58pm

BUENOS AIRES, Argentina (JTA) — The Jewish ex-interior minister of Argentina will be investigated for his ties to the AMIA Jewish center bombing.

The Buenos Aires Federal Appeals Court last week ordered the probe of Carlos Vladimir Corach in connection with an illegal payment of $400,000 to Carlos Telleldin, an auto mechanic who was among those charged in the 1994 attack that left 85 dead and hundreds wounded.

Telleldin, who allegedly provided the car bomb that blew up the Jewish center, has not been indicted.

The three Appeals Court justices called on Federal Judge Ariel Lijo to investigate “the existence of concrete allegations involving Carlos Vladimir Corach, which have not been investigated until now” regarding the illegal payment to Telleldin.

Corach was interior minister during the Carlos Menem government in the 1990s. He was responsible for obtaining the building for the Holocaust Museum of Buenos Aires and was the main speaker at its inauguration.
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I remember some cries of persecution and anti-Semitism made by Venezuelan Jews some years ago, much to the delight of Pastaneta & co. Sounded far too convenient back then, sounds even more so today.
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Azrael wrote:Remember the Buenos Aires bombing in 1994? Supposedly the Iranians were behind it . . .

Well . . . that is looking less likely . . .

from Garth Porter at atimes.com: The new revelations on Argentine-Iranian relations in the October 25 report by prosecutors Alberto Nisman and Marcello Marquez Burgos undermine the official argument that Iran's top leaders were motivated to order the bombing by Argentina's decision in 1992 to cut off its supply of nuclear materials to Iran.

Maybe someone wanted to sabotage negotiations between Argentina and Iran . . .

And then there's this:

Jewish Telegraph Agency article below

Jewish ex-Argentina gov’t official to be probed in AMIA bombing

June 30, 2013 4:58pm

BUENOS AIRES, Argentina (JTA) — The Jewish ex-interior minister of Argentina will be investigated for his ties to the AMIA Jewish center bombing.

The Buenos Aires Federal Appeals Court last week ordered the probe of Carlos Vladimir Corach in connection with an illegal payment of $400,000 to Carlos Telleldin, an auto mechanic who was among those charged in the 1994 attack that left 85 dead and hundreds wounded.

Telleldin, who allegedly provided the car bomb that blew up the Jewish center, has not been indicted.

The three Appeals Court justices called on Federal Judge Ariel Lijo to investigate “the existence of concrete allegations involving Carlos Vladimir Corach, which have not been investigated until now” regarding the illegal payment to Telleldin.

Corach was interior minister during the Carlos Menem government in the 1990s. He was responsible for obtaining the building for the Holocaust Museum of Buenos Aires and was the main speaker at its inauguration.


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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: .. looooooooooooooooove it



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This is starting to remind me of the Levon Affair.
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YMix wrote:I remember some cries of persecution and anti-Semitism made by Venezuelan Jews some years ago, much to the delight of Pastaneta & co. Sounded far too convenient back then, sounds even more so today.
These allegations seem particularly ridiculous when considering that Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro is very open about his Sephardic Jewish ancestry.
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'Argentina sold Israel yellowcake uranium in 1960s' -- Jerusalem Post

article excerpt below:

Argentina may have sold Israel material necessary for making a nuclear bomb in the 1960s, Foreign Policy reported on Monday, citing newly-published American archival documents.

Israel has never clearly admitted to having a nuclear weapons program in the country, although it is has been estimated that the Jewish State has dozens of nuclear warheads.

According to the report in Foreign Policy, Argentina sold Israel 80-100 tons of "yellowcake" uranium in 1964. Yellowcake, a concentrated uranium powder produced in countries in which uranium ore is mined, can be further processed to make weapons-grade uranium which can be used to make nuclear bombs.
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Azrael wrote:.

This is starting to remind me of the Levon Affair.

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Please stop, Azrael, can't stop laughing


Poor Ahmadinejat .. poor Ahmadinejat


Would bet the farm that 2012 Burgas bus bombing was by Mossad, to push EU to mark Lebanese Shia as Terrorist organization .. EU knew it was Mossad and did not bite





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If you can't trust the Bulgarian interior minister, who can you trust . . . :wink:

There's no way that Tsvetanov guy could possibly be corrupt. :lol:
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“Unfortunately for me and for most Argentines, I don’t have a little machine that makes dollars"
-- President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner of Argentina

Give Us Your Real Dollars for Our Fake Dollars: Argentina Credit

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President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner’s wish of being able to print dollars is coming true as the central bank begins issuing dollar-denominated certificates today that trade in pesos.

Argentina is issuing the certificates, known as Cedines, as part of a tax amnesty plan to attract undeclared cash back into the economy. The nation’s foreign reserves have fallen at the fastest pace in more than a decade to a six-year low of $37.2 billion, as Argentina uses the money to pay debt instead of borrowing dollars at interest rates that are more than double the 5.95 percent average in emerging markets.

Fernandez, who said last year that it was unfortunate she didn’t have a “little machine” to print dollars, is trying to tap some of the estimated $160 billion held by Argentines under mattresses or in bank accounts abroad, to ease dollar demand stoked by more than 30 measures that she has imposed since 2011 to restrict access to foreign currency. While the measure is designed to provide individuals dollar-backed claims that can be used for real estate and energy projects, Empiria Consultores says Argentines will just exchange them back for U.S. currency.
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Special prosecutor investigating President Kirchner over cover up of Iranian terrorists in Argentina found shot to death


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/s ... -1.2083687
Special prosecutor who had accused Argentine president of shielding Iranian terror suspects found shot dead on floor of his bathroom, authorities say

Alberto Nisman had been appointed 10 years ago by Argentine President Cristina Fernandez's late husband, then President Nestor Kirchner, to investigate the 1994 bombing of the Argentine-Israeli Mutual Association in Buenos Aires, which killed 85 people and injured more than 200. In 2013, Argentina and Iran reached an agreement to investigate the attack, which remains unsolved.

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS /

Monday, January 19, 2015, 9:01 AM

Argentine prosecutor Alberto Nisman, who is investigating the 1994 car-bomb attack on the AMIA Jewish community center, speaks during a meeting with journalists at his office in Buenos Aires in this May 29, 2013 file photo. Nisman, who had accused President Cristina Fernandez last week of trying to whitewash Argentina's worst ever bombing has been found dead in his flat, local media reported on January 19, 2015. REUTERS/Marcos Brindicci/Files (ARGENTINA - Tags: POLITICS CRIME LAW OBITUARY).
Members of the coast guard guard the entrance of an apartment building, the home of Argentine prosecutor Alberto Nisman, in Buenos Aires January 19, 2015. Nisman, who accused President Cristina Fernandez of orchestrating a cover-up in the investigation of Iran over the 1994 bombing of a Jewish community center has been found dead in his apartment, authorities said on Monday. REUTERS/Marcos Brindicci (ARGENTINA - Tags: POLITICS CRIME LAW).
Picture released by Telam showing members of the Argentine Naval Command and the Federal Police heading to the judiciary morgue after removing the body of Argentine prosecutor Alberto Nisman, 51, who was found dead in his flat in the trendy Puerto Madero neighbourhood in Buenos Aires on January 19, 2015. Nisman, who on January 14 accused President Cristina Kirchner of obstructing a probe into a 1994 Jewish center bombing, was found shot dead on January 19, just hours before he was due to testify at a congressional hearing. "I can confirm that a .22-caliber handgun was found beside the body," prosecutor Viviana Fein said. "Death is due to gunshot." AFP PHOTO / TELAM / CLAUDIO FANCHI --- RESTRICTED TO EDITORIAL USE - MANDATORY CREDIT "AFP PHOTO / TELAM / CLAUDIO FANCHI " - NO MARKETING NO ADVERTISING CAMPAIGNS - DISTRIBUTED AS A SERVICE TO CLIENTSCLAUDIO FANCHI/AFP/Getty Images.
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BUENOS AIRES - A special prosecutor who had accused Argentine President Cristina Fernandez of shielding Iranian suspects in the South American country's worst terrorist attack was found shot dead, authorities said Monday.

Alberto Nisman, who was set to testify Monday in a Congressional hearing about the case, was found in the bathroom of his Buenos Aires apartment late Sunday, federal prosecutor Viviana Fein told Telam, Argentina's official news agency.

"We can confirm that it was a gunshot wound, .22 caliber," she said, adding that it was too early in the investigation to know what had happened.

Nisman had been appointed 10 years ago by Fernandez's late husband, then President Nestor Kirchner, to investigate the 1994 bombing of the Argentine-Israeli Mutual Association in Buenos Aires, which killed 85 people and injured more than 200. In 2013, Argentina and Iran reached an agreement to investigate the attack, which remains unsolved.

That year, Nisman released an indictment accusing Iran and Hezbollah of organizing the blast. Iran denies any involvement.

Last week, Nisman accused Fernandez and other senior Argentine officials of agreeing not to punish at least two former Iranian officials in the case. He asked a judge to call Fernandez and others, including Foreign Minister Hector Timerman, for questioning.

"The president and her foreign minister took the criminal decision to fabricate Iran's innocence to sate Argentina's commercial, political and geopolitical interests," Nisman said last week.

Government officials called the prosecutor's allegations ludicrous.




A federal judge had begun the process of deciding whether to hear the complaint and whether anyone should be summoned for questioning.

Late Sunday, federal police agents in charge of Nisman's protection alerted their superiors that he wasn't answering phone calls, according to a statement from the Health Ministry. When he also didn't answer the door, they decided to alert family members, according to the statement.

When Nisman's mother wasn't able to open the door because a key was in the lock on the other side, a locksmith was called to open it, the ministry said. A .22 caliber handgun and a shell casing were found next to Nisman's body.

Israel's foreign ministry expressed "deep sorrow" over Nisman's death.

"Nisman, a courageous, venerable jurist who fought intrepidly for justice, acted with determination to expose the identities of the terrorists and their dispatchers," a ministry statement said.
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Doc wrote:Special prosecutor investigating President Kirchner over cover up of Iranian terrorists in Argentina found shot to death


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/s ... -1.2083687
Special prosecutor who had accused Argentine president of shielding Iranian terror suspects found shot dead on floor of his bathroom, authorities say

Alberto Nisman had been appointed 10 years ago by Argentine President Cristina Fernandez's late husband, then President Nestor Kirchner, to investigate the 1994 bombing of the Argentine-Israeli Mutual Association in Buenos Aires, which killed 85 people and injured more than 200. In 2013, Argentina and Iran reached an agreement to investigate the attack, which remains unsolved.

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS /

Monday, January 19, 2015, 9:01 AM

Argentine prosecutor Alberto Nisman, who is investigating the 1994 car-bomb attack on the AMIA Jewish community center, speaks during a meeting with journalists at his office in Buenos Aires in this May 29, 2013 file photo. Nisman, who had accused President Cristina Fernandez last week of trying to whitewash Argentina's worst ever bombing has been found dead in his flat, local media reported on January 19, 2015. REUTERS/Marcos Brindicci/Files (ARGENTINA - Tags: POLITICS CRIME LAW OBITUARY).
Members of the coast guard guard the entrance of an apartment building, the home of Argentine prosecutor Alberto Nisman, in Buenos Aires January 19, 2015. Nisman, who accused President Cristina Fernandez of orchestrating a cover-up in the investigation of Iran over the 1994 bombing of a Jewish community center has been found dead in his apartment, authorities said on Monday. REUTERS/Marcos Brindicci (ARGENTINA - Tags: POLITICS CRIME LAW).
Picture released by Telam showing members of the Argentine Naval Command and the Federal Police heading to the judiciary morgue after removing the body of Argentine prosecutor Alberto Nisman, 51, who was found dead in his flat in the trendy Puerto Madero neighbourhood in Buenos Aires on January 19, 2015. Nisman, who on January 14 accused President Cristina Kirchner of obstructing a probe into a 1994 Jewish center bombing, was found shot dead on January 19, just hours before he was due to testify at a congressional hearing. "I can confirm that a .22-caliber handgun was found beside the body," prosecutor Viviana Fein said. "Death is due to gunshot." AFP PHOTO / TELAM / CLAUDIO FANCHI --- RESTRICTED TO EDITORIAL USE - MANDATORY CREDIT "AFP PHOTO / TELAM / CLAUDIO FANCHI " - NO MARKETING NO ADVERTISING CAMPAIGNS - DISTRIBUTED AS A SERVICE TO CLIENTSCLAUDIO FANCHI/AFP/Getty Images.
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BUENOS AIRES - A special prosecutor who had accused Argentine President Cristina Fernandez of shielding Iranian suspects in the South American country's worst terrorist attack was found shot dead, authorities said Monday.

Alberto Nisman, who was set to testify Monday in a Congressional hearing about the case, was found in the bathroom of his Buenos Aires apartment late Sunday, federal prosecutor Viviana Fein told Telam, Argentina's official news agency.

"We can confirm that it was a gunshot wound, .22 caliber," she said, adding that it was too early in the investigation to know what had happened.

Nisman had been appointed 10 years ago by Fernandez's late husband, then President Nestor Kirchner, to investigate the 1994 bombing of the Argentine-Israeli Mutual Association in Buenos Aires, which killed 85 people and injured more than 200. In 2013, Argentina and Iran reached an agreement to investigate the attack, which remains unsolved.

That year, Nisman released an indictment accusing Iran and Hezbollah of organizing the blast. Iran denies any involvement.

Last week, Nisman accused Fernandez and other senior Argentine officials of agreeing not to punish at least two former Iranian officials in the case. He asked a judge to call Fernandez and others, including Foreign Minister Hector Timerman, for questioning.

"The president and her foreign minister took the criminal decision to fabricate Iran's innocence to sate Argentina's commercial, political and geopolitical interests," Nisman said last week.

Government officials called the prosecutor's allegations ludicrous.




A federal judge had begun the process of deciding whether to hear the complaint and whether anyone should be summoned for questioning.

Late Sunday, federal police agents in charge of Nisman's protection alerted their superiors that he wasn't answering phone calls, according to a statement from the Health Ministry. When he also didn't answer the door, they decided to alert family members, according to the statement.

When Nisman's mother wasn't able to open the door because a key was in the lock on the other side, a locksmith was called to open it, the ministry said. A .22 caliber handgun and a shell casing were found next to Nisman's body.

Israel's foreign ministry expressed "deep sorrow" over Nisman's death.

"Nisman, a courageous, venerable jurist who fought intrepidly for justice, acted with determination to expose the identities of the terrorists and their dispatchers," a ministry statement said.

another Mossad operation to make things look Iran the bad guy

Routine Zionist policy

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Doc wrote:Special prosecutor investigating President Kirchner over cover up of Iranian terrorists in Argentina found shot to death


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/s ... -1.2083687
Special prosecutor who had accused Argentine president of shielding Iranian terror suspects found shot dead on floor of his bathroom, authorities say

Alberto Nisman had been appointed 10 years ago by Argentine President Cristina Fernandez's late husband, then President Nestor Kirchner, to investigate the 1994 bombing of the Argentine-Israeli Mutual Association in Buenos Aires, which killed 85 people and injured more than 200. In 2013, Argentina and Iran reached an agreement to investigate the attack, which remains unsolved.

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS /

Monday, January 19, 2015, 9:01 AM

Argentine prosecutor Alberto Nisman, who is investigating the 1994 car-bomb attack on the AMIA Jewish community center, speaks during a meeting with journalists at his office in Buenos Aires in this May 29, 2013 file photo. Nisman, who had accused President Cristina Fernandez last week of trying to whitewash Argentina's worst ever bombing has been found dead in his flat, local media reported on January 19, 2015. REUTERS/Marcos Brindicci/Files (ARGENTINA - Tags: POLITICS CRIME LAW OBITUARY).
Members of the coast guard guard the entrance of an apartment building, the home of Argentine prosecutor Alberto Nisman, in Buenos Aires January 19, 2015. Nisman, who accused President Cristina Fernandez of orchestrating a cover-up in the investigation of Iran over the 1994 bombing of a Jewish community center has been found dead in his apartment, authorities said on Monday. REUTERS/Marcos Brindicci (ARGENTINA - Tags: POLITICS CRIME LAW).
Picture released by Telam showing members of the Argentine Naval Command and the Federal Police heading to the judiciary morgue after removing the body of Argentine prosecutor Alberto Nisman, 51, who was found dead in his flat in the trendy Puerto Madero neighbourhood in Buenos Aires on January 19, 2015. Nisman, who on January 14 accused President Cristina Kirchner of obstructing a probe into a 1994 Jewish center bombing, was found shot dead on January 19, just hours before he was due to testify at a congressional hearing. "I can confirm that a .22-caliber handgun was found beside the body," prosecutor Viviana Fein said. "Death is due to gunshot." AFP PHOTO / TELAM / CLAUDIO FANCHI --- RESTRICTED TO EDITORIAL USE - MANDATORY CREDIT "AFP PHOTO / TELAM / CLAUDIO FANCHI " - NO MARKETING NO ADVERTISING CAMPAIGNS - DISTRIBUTED AS A SERVICE TO CLIENTSCLAUDIO FANCHI/AFP/Getty Images.
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MARCOS BRINDICCI/REUTERS

BUENOS AIRES - A special prosecutor who had accused Argentine President Cristina Fernandez of shielding Iranian suspects in the South American country's worst terrorist attack was found shot dead, authorities said Monday.

Alberto Nisman, who was set to testify Monday in a Congressional hearing about the case, was found in the bathroom of his Buenos Aires apartment late Sunday, federal prosecutor Viviana Fein told Telam, Argentina's official news agency.

"We can confirm that it was a gunshot wound, .22 caliber," she said, adding that it was too early in the investigation to know what had happened.

Nisman had been appointed 10 years ago by Fernandez's late husband, then President Nestor Kirchner, to investigate the 1994 bombing of the Argentine-Israeli Mutual Association in Buenos Aires, which killed 85 people and injured more than 200. In 2013, Argentina and Iran reached an agreement to investigate the attack, which remains unsolved.

That year, Nisman released an indictment accusing Iran and Hezbollah of organizing the blast. Iran denies any involvement.

Last week, Nisman accused Fernandez and other senior Argentine officials of agreeing not to punish at least two former Iranian officials in the case. He asked a judge to call Fernandez and others, including Foreign Minister Hector Timerman, for questioning.

"The president and her foreign minister took the criminal decision to fabricate Iran's innocence to sate Argentina's commercial, political and geopolitical interests," Nisman said last week.

Government officials called the prosecutor's allegations ludicrous.




A federal judge had begun the process of deciding whether to hear the complaint and whether anyone should be summoned for questioning.

Late Sunday, federal police agents in charge of Nisman's protection alerted their superiors that he wasn't answering phone calls, according to a statement from the Health Ministry. When he also didn't answer the door, they decided to alert family members, according to the statement.

When Nisman's mother wasn't able to open the door because a key was in the lock on the other side, a locksmith was called to open it, the ministry said. A .22 caliber handgun and a shell casing were found next to Nisman's body.

Israel's foreign ministry expressed "deep sorrow" over Nisman's death.

"Nisman, a courageous, venerable jurist who fought intrepidly for justice, acted with determination to expose the identities of the terrorists and their dispatchers," a ministry statement said.


The “real move against the government was the prosecutor’s death…. They used him while he was alive and then they needed him dead. It is that sad and terrible,”
the Buenos Aires Herald on Thursday quoted Kirchner as writing in a separate letter.



President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner took it to social media once again to express her thoughts on the death of AMIA special prosecutor Alberto Nisman, referring to it as “the suicide which -I am sure- was not a suicide.” She also praised yesterday’s cover of the Herald for its “accuracy” on the content of Nisman's complaint against the government.
In another long letter –the second she writes since Nisman’s death-, Ms. Kirchner said that the “real move against the government was the prosecutor’s death” and she added: “They used him while he was alive and then they needed him dead. It is that sad and terrible.”

The head of State posted a photo of the front page of yesterday’s Buenos Aires Herald, which featured the first page of Nisman’s complaint against the government for allegedly covering up the attack against the AMIA Jewish centre, which was released on Tuesday by Federal Judge Ariel Lijo. She praised the “surgical –or maybe linguistic- accuracy” of the Herald’s headline: “Nothing new. Nisman’s report fails to fan flames of conspiracy.”

Ms. Kirchner said that the writt of the complaint has turned “certain questions” into “certainties.”

“The Buenos Aires Herald was right. ‘Nothing new.’ But also for other reasons: Nisman’s report ‘was planted’ with false information,” she added.

“Nisman’s accusation not only crumbles, but it becomes a real political and judicial scandal,” the president wrote.

“Prosecutor Nisman did not know that the intelligence agents that he listed as such, were not. Least of all that one of them had been accused by (ex Intelligence chief ‘Jaime’) Stiusso himself.”

The Intelligence Secretariat (SI) has recently denied that the two supposed intelligence agents listed in late Alberto Nisman’s complaint — Héctor Yrimia and Ramón Allan Héctor Bogado — were members of that agency.

“If Stiusso was the one feeding Nisman with all the information, it is more than evident that it was Stiusso himself who told him (or wrote to him?) that Bogado and Yrimia were Intelligence agents,” the president added.”

She pointed to the statements by AMIA probe judge, Rodolfo Canicoba Corral. "(He) has criticised the involvement of Stiuso, saying that instead of helping with the investigation, he ended up leading it. I personally believe that he did more than that. The facts speak for themselves."

“The scandal sparked by the complaint (…) filled with ‘planted’ information, was covered by the death of the prosecutor. That is, an apparent suicide. A resource that has already been used in many sadly renowned cases,” she stated.

Dirty game played by Mossad

A lioness this Cristina Fernández .. fighting single handedly against the beasts


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HP.... I know you really want it to be true... that Israeli Jews engineered the attack as a false flag. But get real. (Just give it a try.. ;)

More likely it is a cover up of corrupted Argentinian politics, courts and their involvement in crime, blackmail etc... aside the question who bombed AMIA in '94 which has never been answered.

If you want a guess-game.. sure. I think Iran is not involved either. But of course.. given that Iran is perceived by Israelis as their no 1. existential threat.. they wouldn't mind proving an Iranian connection if possible. This of course is a good mirror-image of what Iran itself is doing: making Israel always the number 1. suspect wherever possible and blaming them for all the misery in the ME. Death to Israel! You yourself are a good example of this mindset in this thread. (Btw.. you have already been proven wrong on your other false flag conspiracy claim of the Israeli tourist bus bombing in Bulgaria.. google it and check it out)

A more sensible read: How A Bomb Reverberates For 19 Years
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Parodite wrote:.

HP.... I know you really want it to be true... that Israeli Jews engineered the attack as a false flag. But get real. (Just give it a try.. ;)

More likely it is a cover up of corrupted Argentinian politics, courts and their involvement in crime, blackmail etc... aside the question who bombed AMIA in '94 which has never been answered.

If you want a guess-game.. sure. I think Iran is not involved either. But of course.. given that Iran is perceived by Israelis as their no 1. existential threat.. they wouldn't mind proving an Iranian connection if possible. This of course is a good mirror-image of what Iran itself is doing: making Israel always the number 1. suspect wherever possible and blaming them for all the misery in the ME. Death to Israel! You yourself are a good example of this mindset in this thread. (Btw.. you have already been proven wrong on your other false flag conspiracy claim of the Israeli tourist bus bombing in Bulgaria.. google it and check it out)

A more sensible read: How A Bomb Reverberates For 19 Years

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Parodite .. agree, it can be Argentine internal politics

but

In criminology, when somebody is murdered, police, detectives, look for motives, who would benefit

Why Iran should have done the Argentine terrorist attack killing so many innocent people ? ?

I do not see a single reason, if you do, pls say

But

Natanyaoo in France saying to French Jews, leave France, immigrate to Israel

Argentina and Chile have very big Jewish population, European Jewish and not Arab jewish (Ashkenazim Rabbi complaining Arab Jews more primitive than Arab Muslims :lol: )

Massive Ashkenazim Jewish immigration to Israel, FOR MANY REASON, a matter of survival for Israel, for many reason

and, Israel has done this many times

Middle Eastern Jews never wanted to leave their homes and go to Israel .. Mossad did terrorist acts in those Arab countries making it appear Arab Jews did it, result was the Arab Jews had to flee their homes .. many such cases now official

and

Icing on the cake would be it could be blamed on Iran

All western intelligence services know this, but, blaming Iran good politics and why start a fight with Ashkenazim ?

Natanyaho was in Paris synagogue, French Jews booed him, they did not sing Israeli but French national anthem.

From Israeli viewpoint this in national interest, Argentine and Chilean Ashkenazim would feel unsafe and immigrate to Israel

What is the benefit for Iran killing innocent Jewish Argentinians ? ? ?

Zero benefit, in contrary

Common sense

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My guess is that people affiliated with the junta who used to rule Argentina are behind the bombing and (if it isn't a suicide) the investigator's death. They weren't shy about killing Jews while in power, and the bombing was a clever way to destabilize the country. They may have played the investigator for a patsy.
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Azrael wrote:.

My guess is that people affiliated with the junta who used to rule Argentina are behind the bombing and (if it isn't a suicide) the investigator's death. They weren't shy about killing Jews while in power, and the bombing was a clever way to destabilize the country. They may have played the investigator for a patsy.

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Agree,

The most probable scenario

It could be an Argentinian internal politics, to destabilize Cristina Fernández government

If so,

We could be witnessing a "Salvador Allende" script in progress, including CIA and the Generals

Hitting 2 birds with a single rock .. Would destabilize Cristina Fernández Argentina , and, blame the evil Iran

makes perfectly sense

One thing for sure, Iran had nothing to do with this crime

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Heracleum Persicum wrote:
Azrael wrote:.

My guess is that people affiliated with the junta who used to rule Argentina are behind the bombing and (if it isn't a suicide) the investigator's death. They weren't shy about killing Jews while in power, and the bombing was a clever way to destabilize the country. They may have played the investigator for a patsy.

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Agree,

The most probable scenario

It could be an Argentinian internal politics, to destabilize Cristina Fernández government

If so,

We could be witnessing a "Salvador Allende" script in progress, including CIA and the Generals

Hitting 2 birds with a single rock .. Would destabilize Cristina Fernández Argentina , and, blame the evil Iran

makes perfectly sense

One thing for sure, Iran had nothing to do with this crime

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Here is what your much beloved RT has to say about Kirshner

http://rt.com/news/kirchner-president-p ... ntina-527/
Rampant Corruption

Middle class concerns center on a handful of key issues and complaints: a dramatic rise in violent street crime, flagrant government lying regarding galloping inflation, Cristina Kirchner’s authoritarian style and, of course, rampant corruption.

People have become weary of corruption scandals at the highest levels of government. Public Works Minister Julio De Vido, for instance, is at the center of a scandal accusing him of running a system of bribery in public work contracts. When former Economy Minister Roberto Lavagna publicly accused De Vido, then president Néstor Kirchner promptly fire him… Lavagna, that is!!


Vice President Amado Boudou, in turn, is under investigation for shady dealings through front-men in his take-over of a major currency printing company, Ciccone Calcográfica, which the government continues to award multimillion dollar contracts to print Argentina’s currency (in ever-increasing demand due to inflation!).

Kirchner’s own “Disappeared”

But the gem in the Kirchner Crown of Corruption and Fraud involves President Cristina Kirchner herself: the almost complete disappearance of hundreds of millions of dollars in public funds in her native Santa Cruz province in the Patagonia region, at the hands of her deceased husband, former President Néstor Kirchner back in the early nineties when he was Provincial Governor.


In 1992, Governor Néstor Kirchner and Provincial Deputy Cristina Kirchner intensely lobbied for President Carlos Menem and his Economy Minister Domingo Cavallo’s plan to sell the state oil giant YPF to Spain’s Repsol (probably a front for Britain’s BP).


As a reward for Kirchner’s services to Menem, in 1993 Santa Cruz Province was paid by the federal government $654 million in long-outstanding royalties owed by YPF.

Thus those federal funds became provincial funds, which Kirchner immediately expatriated. Today, almost 20 years later, no one knows exactly what became of that money.

We do know that it passed through several tax havens including the Cayman Islands. We do know that when Néstor Kirchner became President in 2003, he finally admitted that those hundreds of millions of dollars were deposited with global mega-banks Morgan Stanley (Luxembourg), and UBS and Crédit Suisse (Switzerland), two tax havens known for their strict banking secrecy.


We do know that, in line with Kirchner’s sloppy management of public funds, they unwittingly admitted that Santa Cruz’s money was deposited in the “Private Banking” departments of Credit Suisse and UBS.


Which led to a key question being asked: Why were hundreds of millions of dollars in public funds deposited in the private banking department of those two Swiss banks?


Inquiries determined that these banks’ “Private Banking” departments manage funds for “very wealthy individuals”. That led to further questions: In whose name were those bank deposits? Néstor and Cristina Kirchner? Some other front man?

In turn, the people of Santa Cruz who for years suffered economic and social hardship continue to wonder why their public funds were not put to good use financing local housing, health and job-creation in their province, but rather put to serve European financial circles to the specific benefit of the Swiss and Luxembourgers.

To try to get to the bottom of this scandal a civil lawsuit was filed against Néstor Kirchner and his helpers in a Buenos Aires District Federal Economic Crimes Court in May 2004.

Pressure from President Kirchner, however, ensured that in July 2005 this case was closed declaring Kirchner and his helpers innocent of any wrongdoing. The judge in this sentence? Santiago Maria Losada, Kirchner’s nephew-in-law…

Represented by Peronist lawyer Juan Gabriel Labaké, the Plaintiffs appealed to the Public Ombudsman, the Anti-Corruption Agency, the local chapter of “Transparency International”, and even went up to the Supreme Court of Argentina, but – alas! – they all looked the other way. In Argentina, no one dared challenge the Kirchners.

Thus, no transparent and detailed account was ever rendered by the Kirchners regarding what became of that huge amount of money, its interests, commissions and investments.


All that is known is that the disappearance of Santa Cruz’s funds coincides with the Kirchner’s meteoric rise to political power that catapulted both Néstor and Cristina to successively become President of Argentina.

The personal wealth of the Kirchners, their relatives and key business and political associates rose dramatically: in her recent sworn statement of personal assets, Cristina Kirchner admitted having a net worth of over $ 70 million.


When asked how she had managed to amass such a huge fortune with her modest salary as congresswoman and then President, she explained this was the result of her “successful career as a lawyer”. However, she has never been able to produce evidence that she even graduated from Law School, nor evidence of any lawsuit in which she collected substantial lawyer’s fees.


Clearly, the roots Néstor and Cristina Kirchner’s personal wealth is one of Argentina’s most closely guarded secrets. The appearance of that vast personal fortune coincides with the disappearance of the public funds of Santa Cruz Province.

The rallying call, “Make them all go away!” echoes once again

The people of Argentina are far too tolerant and lenient. After three decades, we have become too accustomed to the catastrophic results of being in the hands of a political caste that specializes in corruption and theft of public monies. The names of former presidents, ministers and governors are paradigmatic of this: Carlos Menem, Domingo Cavallo, Maria Julia Alzogaray, Eduardo Duhalde, Fernando de la Rúa, Eduardo Angeloz, Antonio Bussi, José Luis Manzano, Julio De Vido… it’s a long, long list!


A woman holds a sign reading "We want freedom of expression. Listen to the people! Do not underestimate it" during a "cacerolazo" (a form of civilian protest where pots are used to make noise) against Argentine President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner′s government in Cordoba, Argentina on November 8, 2012 (AFP Photo / Daniel Garcia)
A woman holds a sign reading "We want freedom of expression. Listen to the people! Do not underestimate it" during a "cacerolazo" (a form of civilian protest where pots are used to make noise) against Argentine President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner′s government in Cordoba, Argentina on November 8, 2012 (AFP Photo / Daniel Garcia)


The 8N protesters not only..

The 8N protesters not only demanded for the Nth time “No more corruption!”, but began to echo the rallying call from a decade ago regarding this corrupt political caste: “Make them all go away!!”
Sure, it’s not just about corruption; it’s also about rising street crime perpetrated by huge masses of the structurally poor who are wickedly abused by the Kirchners as a quasi-enslaved subsidized client army who “work” as “militant kirchnerite” foot soldiers.

The more violent among these dumbed-down, impoverished elements are controlled by drug-lords and criminals, organized (and armed) into government-sponsored lumpen-storm-troopers, like “Vatayón Militante” and “La Cámpora”; the latter led by presidential son Máximo Kirchner. All in preparation for coming social wars.

Other mass complaints: the government’s total falsification in inflation statistics; the almost total foreign exchange prohibition – even for travel to bordering Mercosur trade bloc countries – which is tantamount to a prohibition to leave the country; obscene tax voracity to fund the government’s mismanagement and corruption; encroachment over the press and local media; and systematic attack against anyone daring to oppose Kirchner.

Not surprisingly, Argentina’s 8N protest did not show a single banner from any opposition party: just blue-and-white Argentine flags. A sure sign the country desperately needs a new political leadership that is credible, consistent, capable and trustworthy.

Argentina’s Global “Cacerolazo” might be marking an initial step towards similar protest movements in other countries. Will “we, the people” in every country start merging and pooling efforts to reject their own local political castes, rampant corruption and gross injustice, independent of nationality?

­Adrian Salbuchi for RT¬Adrian Salbuchi is a political analyst, author, speaker and radio/TV commentator in Argentina. www.asalbuchi.com.ar
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Argentina is slipping away from Argentina as well.

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Doc wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:33 am

Argentina is slipping away from Argentina as well.




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Argentina was in Western camp last 100 yrs

And ?

Result is "shop owners in San Juan, in #Argentina, are shooting at looters, after economic crisis in the country, and political unrest."

Where did all the wealth of Argentina go ?

To Miami :lol: :lol:


Well

Doc

Let Argentina now move to Russia China (and Iran) Camp for next 100 yrs and see where Argentina end

And

After all US presidents, CIA and Pompeo and others blaming Iran last many years


Mossad Sheds New Light on Argentina Terrorist Attacks in 1990s
rejected suspicions that Argentines or Iranian officials in Buenos Aires had been involved.



TEL AVIV — Two terrorist attacks on Israeli and Jewish targets in Buenos Aires in the 1990s that killed scores of people were carried out by a secret Hezbollah unit whose operatives, contrary to widespread claims, were not abetted knowingly by Argentine citizens or aided by Iran on the ground, according to an investigation by the Mossad, Israel’s secret service.

The internal Mossad study, the written findings of which were shared with The New York Times, provide a detailed account of how the attacks were planned — including how material for the explosives was smuggled into Argentina in shampoo bottles and chocolate boxes.

mad mullahs said from the beginning they had nothing to do with this


But


US Backs Argentina’s Bid to Prosecute Iran’s Agents in ’94 Attack


What does this all means


It shows why Iran and mad mullahs winning

US, CIA , Israel and Europeans knew from beginning Iran had nothing to do with this

But


Argentinian Ex-President Charged With Treason For Deal With Iran On 1994 Bombing


:lol: :lol:


That is why Iran and mad mullahs winning .. Putin said , West an empire of lies
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Heracleum Persicum wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 9:05 pm
Doc wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:33 am

Argentina is slipping away from Argentina as well.




.


Argentina was in Western camp last 100 yrs

And ?

Result is "shop owners in San Juan, in #Argentina, are shooting at looters, after economic crisis in the country, and political unrest."

Where did all the wealth of Argentina go ?

To Miami :lol: :lol:


Well

Doc

Let Argentina now move to Russia China (and Iran) Camp for next 100 yrs and see where Argentina end

And

After all US presidents, CIA and Pompeo and others blaming Iran last many years


Mossad Sheds New Light on Argentina Terrorist Attacks in 1990s
rejected suspicions that Argentines or Iranian officials in Buenos Aires had been involved.



TEL AVIV — Two terrorist attacks on Israeli and Jewish targets in Buenos Aires in the 1990s that killed scores of people were carried out by a secret Hezbollah unit whose operatives, contrary to widespread claims, were not abetted knowingly by Argentine citizens or aided by Iran on the ground, according to an investigation by the Mossad, Israel’s secret service.

The internal Mossad study, the written findings of which were shared with The New York Times, provide a detailed account of how the attacks were planned — including how material for the explosives was smuggled into Argentina in shampoo bottles and chocolate boxes.

mad mullahs said from the beginning they had nothing to do with this


But


US Backs Argentina’s Bid to Prosecute Iran’s Agents in ’94 Attack


What does this all means


It shows why Iran and mad mullahs winning

US, CIA , Israel and Europeans knew from beginning Iran had nothing to do with this

But


Argentinian Ex-President Charged With Treason For Deal With Iran On 1994 Bombing


:lol: :lol:


That is why Iran and mad mullahs winning .. Putin said , West an empire of lies
.
Ah Argentina is run but socialists that want to join the socialist camp.

As far as Iran goes....

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Back to the topic of the thread . . .
FT:

An old macro joke is that there are really only four types of economies: developed, developing, Japan and Argentina. And oh boy did we get another reminder of that this weekend. 
Reuters | Argentina devalues peso, raises rates after shock primary vote
BUENOS AIRES/LONDON, Aug 14 (Reuters) - Argentina's government devalued its currency by nearly 18% on Monday while the benchmark interest rate was raised by 21 percentage points to 118%, the central bank said, as financial markets reeled the day after a shock primary election result.

Congressman Javier Milei, a far-right libertarian who wants to axe the central bank and dollarize the economy, shook up the presidential elections on Sunday, winning 30% of the vote, the largest share with over 97% of ballots counted.
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Typhoon wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:47 am Back to the topic of the thread . . .
FT:

An old macro joke is that there are really only four types of economies: developed, developing, Japan and Argentina. And oh boy did we get another reminder of that this weekend. 
Reuters | Argentina devalues peso, raises rates after shock primary vote
BUENOS AIRES/LONDON, Aug 14 (Reuters) - Argentina's government devalued its currency by nearly 18% on Monday while the benchmark interest rate was raised by 21 percentage points to 118%, the central bank said, as financial markets reeled the day after a shock primary election result.

Congressman Javier Milei, a far-right libertarian who wants to axe the central bank and dollarize the economy, shook up the presidential elections on Sunday, winning 30% of the vote, the largest share with over 97% of ballots counted.

Not sure you been in Argentina, Buenos Aires, lately .. only country in Latin America that population is pure European, they did not mix with locals.

Buenos Aires can be mistaken with Italian city, Rome .. the girls are to die for , excellent wine , excellent stake

So , it is a bit strange that all sh*t latin American US client states (meaning in reality military rule) are doing well but purebred European Argentina is not ?

Reason quite simple , Argentina does not accept American hegemony over Argentine and Latin America but has not the economic and population "critical mass" to withstand US

But .. there hope for Argentina now

World no more single polar .. Argentina has now "alternatives"

Thanks to Putin and mad mullahs :lol: :lol:
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Italians and Spanish .

apparently not the recipe for political competence but great for food.
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