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Australia Prime Minister Gillard rescued


MbdlHRveHnI

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Julia Gillard is Welsh, and, Tony Abbott was born in England .. They should both genuflect off and let Australians run Australia.

The land was stolen and there is, and never was a treaty with the local people. instead of sitting down to talk with the indigenous people, the settlers rounded them up and shot them like animals... until there is a treaty, this will always be an issue. empathy, respect and understanding are what most white australians are missing.

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poor aboriginy

where is noddy ?

same story in Canada

shame shame shame

and these people want to preach human right to our beloved Ahmadinejat :lol:

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I never expected to see yet another thread created by Our man in Tehran which is apparently about X but is really an excuse to warble on about some dopey Iranian pish. What a complete surprise.
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Ned Kelly FolK Hero of OZ

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AzariLoveIran wrote:.

Australia Prime Minister Gillard rescued


MbdlHRveHnI

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Julia Gillard is Welsh, and, Tony Abbott was born in England .. They should both genuflect off and let Australians run Australia.

The land was stolen and there is, and never was a treaty with the local people. instead of sitting down to talk with the indigenous people, the settlers rounded them up and shot them like animals... until there is a treaty, this will always be an issue. empathy, respect and understanding are what most white australians are missing.

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poor aboriginy

where is noddy ?

same story in Canada

shame shame shame

and these people want to preach human right to our beloved Ahmadinejat :lol:

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Thank you Very Much for your post, Azari.

Hadn't hear of the Tent Embassy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aboriginal_Tent_Embassy

There for 40 years!

Time to come out of the wilderness! :wink:

WoW!

Got to give some credit to the Aussies for political tolerance........ Given how long OWS (Wall Street and Washington) lasted, I rather doubt that we/US would be as tolerant if the Native American had done similarly.........

Wonder how long a Baluchistan embassy would last in Teheran? ;)

Should cut the Aussies some slack, lots of them weren't Transported to Oz :wink: voluntarily ............. had death rates comparable to death trains, slave ships or Transportation by Tornado :wink: till the Brits figured out that you should only pay for live delivery :idea: at Botany Bay........ DUH :!: .............

Sure some were called criminals*: did things like steal a loaf of bread when hungry or a pig or shoot at a colonial landlord in Ireland......

Some of them resisted once they got there too ......

Let tell you a little story about man named Ned
Son of a poor transportee
Barely kept his family fed
Was out one day shooting at a policeman crude
And turned himself into to a steel clad dude

Ned, Ned Kelly
He's the Boz
Ned, Ned Kelly
Folk Hero of Oz

(To the tune of The Beverley Hill Billies/Davey Crockett)

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For lack of greaves a revolution was lost .........
Perhaps a reason to grieve..... ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greave


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Folk painting..................

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Ned Kelly mail box.......... Stand and deliver....... the mail :wink:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ned_Kelly

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... fid=311814

*Reminds me a little of another place except that almost the whole dam world including the Brits again and disgracefully some of us/US (notably Breckenridge Long be his shame) conspired to keep the "criminals" by birth where they were in death camps instead of Oz or Eretz where they might have had a chance........ Sort of changed the psychology of the survivors: have gone Ned Kelly on Steroids or U235/Plutonium.........No more submit to authority and WORTHLESS world opinion that really wants them dead and gone, obsessed with weapons, not trusting much, believing enemy threats absolutely: Little Satan... off the map or similar, willing to do almost ANYTHING to make sure never again, dangerous people instead of sheep trying to assimilate with the wolves .........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breckenrid ... rld_War_II

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breckenrid ... Retirement

Sometimes the evil die in the lap of luxury........

Too bad somebody
Didn't put a horse head
In Long's bed
Or on a pole
Facing his homestead

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Godfather#Plot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egil_Skallagrimsson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nithing_pole
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Thanks for the post our man in Tehran. :)

Great to see a representative of the CCEMIC run in the face of 60000 years of Culture.

Thanks for the informative post on our hero Ned, monster. He battled the CCEMIC of the day utilising Technology in new ways, not unlike Occupy today.
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the people that made a hero out of ned have moved on, its chopper now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDLtDQ55DBs
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Carbizene wrote:Thanks for the post our man in Tehran. :)

Great to see a representative of the CCEMIC run in the face of 60000 years of Culture.

Thanks for the informative post on our hero Ned, monster. He battled the CCEMIC of the day utilising Technology in new ways, not unlike Occupy today.
Thank you Very Much for your post, Carbizene.

Glad to be of assistance.......

Enjoyed the song writing.........

Please remind me exactly what CCEMIC means...... Memory circuits on the fritz.......... Something about economic conspiracy against China??? Tried searching here and Diagetics............ No luck :(
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noddy wrote:the people that made a hero out of ned have moved on, its chopper now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDLtDQ55DBs
Thank you Very Much for your Post, Noddy.

Thanks for the info on "Chopper"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chopper_Read

Multiple reasons why Chopper would like G. Gordon Liddy............

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chopper_Re ... ical_views

Think that one of the many factors that made Ned Kelly a hero was his armor............

Turned Ned into a literal "Knight in Shining Armor" which is a VERY powerful Western meme.......

"Chopper" in the US means "motorcycle".......... a powerful Very patriotic though VERY ROWDY sometimes criminal American subculture meme

Speaking of memes.........

Hope you like Morant :wink: have managed to break the "Bronc" :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaker_Morant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronchitis
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Criminal. Commercial. Enterprise. Military. Industrial. Complex.

Chopper ain't no Ned, Ned was about freeing the Irish from the English, Chopper was about taking cash freely, nothing more, the people who think otherwise are idiots.

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mg:

he is chopper because he chopped his own ears off as a way to avoid a prison fight with a gang that was going to kill him, got himself shipped off to the medical wing and avoided the showdown.

breaker morant is australias version of the massacres in iraq, overstressed sucker doing his best/worst in the boer war, and made a scapegoat of by the powers that be for shooting a bunch of prisoners he believed had shot his friends. He got executed for it, so its all legally neat.

carbizene:

ned kelly was no robin hood, sure you can hilight the identity politics of him being irish against the nasty british but at the end of the day he was just another bad boy like chopper, same behaviours, same "stick to the man" gangster type.. he didnt do jack for his "people".
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noddy wrote:mg:

he is chopper because he chopped his own ears off as a way to avoid a prison fight with a gang that was going to kill him, got himself shipped off to the medical wing and avoided the showdown.

breaker morant is australias version of the massacres in iraq, overstressed sucker doing his best/worst in the boer war, and made a scapegoat of by the powers that be for shooting a bunch of prisoners he believed had shot his friends. He got executed for it, so its all legally neat.

carbizene:

ned kelly was no robin hood, sure you can hilight the identity politics of him being irish against the nasty british but at the end of the day he was just another bad boy like chopper, same behaviours, same "stick to the man" gangster type.. he didnt do jack for his "people".
Thank you Very Much for your post, Noddy.

Hope you are recovering quickly.
he is chopper because he chopped his own ears off as a way to avoid a prison fight with a gang that was going to kill him, got himself shipped off to the medical wing and avoided the showdown.
True. I read that but he sounds like someone who might well fit in an outlaw biker gang especially given his liking for G.Gordon Liddy who bragged about riding with the Hell's Angels and winning a dispute with an Angel by comparing who had the most felony convictions: Liddy did..........
breaker morant is australias version of the massacres in iraq, overstressed sucker doing his best/worst in the boer war, and made a scapegoat of by the powers that be for shooting a bunch of prisoners he believed had shot his friends. He got executed for it, so its all legally neat.
Remember well the movie......... But was just trying to lighten up with my hope that your bronchitis or ?? be defeated/broken.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaker_Morant_%28film%29
ned kelly was no robin hood, sure you can hilight the identity politics of him being irish against the nasty british but at the end of the day he was just another bad boy like chopper, same behaviours, same "stick to the man" gangster type.. he didnt do jack for his "people".[
Not a Robin Hood (Robin was too deferential to Royals) but I get the impression that he might have been/become a smarter version of Wat Tyler...... less trusting than Wat was of the Fink :wink: who was King :wink: Richard II..........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wat_Tyler

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wat_Tyler%27s_rebellion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_king_is_a_fink

What I have read about him indicates that he had the homesteaders (Selectors) supporting him against the "Squatocracy"............ And that the police were often corrupt........ Not sure that I blame him much .........

And the is the gamness of his end: Telling the trial judge who said "May God have mercy on your soul", Kelly replied "I will go a little further than that, and say I will see you there when I go" * /This is going to be settled in a higher court" whereupon the Judge dies within 12 days after Kelly rather like what is reputed to have happened to Lady Jane Grey's judge........ POEtic/literary justice? :wink:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redmond_Barry#Kelly_cases

*I understand this to mean see you in Hell............
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Someone starts a thread about Australia and almost immediately it becomes a thread about criminals.
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Azrael wrote:Someone starts a thread about Australia and almost immediately it becomes a thread about criminals.
its australian stereotypes so its always going to be convicts,dangerous creatures,aboriginal mistreatment OR beaches,kangaroos,bbq's.
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From another thread:
noddy wrote:the mainstream press is not really the issue in this modern world, most of em are thrasing round like idiots trying to work out how relevant they still are when a large percentage of the population has moved to the adhoc internet source of information.

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this is the best sense of "free press" .. its constant source of pride to see my country with the arabs,iranians, chinese and russians.

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That Australia would invoke internet censorship to such a degree I find very surprising, and disappointing, given that I've always perceived Australia to be a rather robust democracy.

That and Oz is one of the few industrialized countries to self-inflict a nonsensical Carbon Tax.

Why did Australia embrace the Nanny State?
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Typhoon wrote: That Australia would invoke internet censorship to such a degree I find very surprising, and disappointing, given that I've always perceived Australia to be a rather robust a parliamentary democracy.

Why did Australia embrace the Nanny State?
its why you dont understand my cynicism of modern democracy, nor my "induced paranoia" about the nature of the modern surveillance state.

australia is largely full of mind your own business types who ignore government and dont expect much from anyone, the political class and the chattering class pretty much loathe the general populace.

robust democracy is meaningless twaddle from the propoganda department, it assumes average people want to argue with each other over philosophy and other mental masturbation topics so loved by the self important elites... they dont, they want to make themselves useful to the community they live in and then relax when the work is done... grand visions for utopias of either the conservative or progressive variety arent on the agenda.

word hard, play hard is the australian way.. we were ripe for takeover by the remote elites, the feature of living in a tolerant mind your own business community is the bug of living in a community that doesnt want to fight over personal choices and then let those that do want to, takeover the system.

our culture has yet to adapt to this post modern "everything is politics" situation brought upon us by the baby boomers...small groups of busy bodies, politically active types can run amok amongst us because we are too busy trying to keep out own little worlds happy and stable and their are no lines in the sand about whats private and personal choice anymore.... you can only seperate church and state when people go to church..

its technology thats making it worse because enforcement is becoming more and more reliable... silly laws didnt mean much in the 1970's when we had strict innocent until proven guilty legal culture and it required a policeman to catch you in the act, nowdays an automated system can catch you and its guilty unless you can prove yourself innocent.

not really sure what the outcome will be, but i suspect its not going to be pretty.
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monster_gardener wrote:
ned kelly was no robin hood, sure you can hilight the identity politics of him being irish against the nasty british but at the end of the day he was just another bad boy like chopper, same behaviours, same "stick to the man" gangster type.. he didnt do jack for his "people".
Not a Robin Hood (Robin was too deferential to Royals) but I get the impression that he might have been/become a smarter version of Wat Tyler...... less trusting than Wat was of the Fink :wink: who was King :wink: Richard II..........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wat_Tyler

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wat_Tyler%27s_rebellion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_king_is_a_fink

What I have read about him indicates that he had the homesteaders (Selectors) supporting him against the "Squatocracy"............ And that the police were often corrupt........ Not sure that I blame him much .........

And the is the gamness of his end: Telling the trial judge who said "May God have mercy on your soul", Kelly replied "I will go a little further than that, and say I will see you there when I go" * /This is going to be settled in a higher court" whereupon the Judge dies within 12 days after Kelly rather like what is reputed to have happened to Lady Jane Grey's judge........ POEtic/literary justice? :wink:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redmond_Barry#Kelly_cases

*I understand this to mean see you in Hell............
the most popular ned kelly quote in these parts are his last words, "such is life"

as for the locals supporting him, yes their is truth in that, but some locals supported chopper aswell... their are some fine lines that make the distinction between outlaw hero and badboy gangster.... kind of moot ;)

modern day america has its gangster rappers... are they hero outlaws or badboy gangsters ? :)

as for my health, dragging myself to work and suffering for it.. i suspect im still a bit "ranty" .
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noddy wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:
ned kelly was no robin hood, sure you can hilight the identity politics of him being irish against the nasty british but at the end of the day he was just another bad boy like chopper, same behaviours, same "stick to the man" gangster type.. he didnt do jack for his "people".
Not a Robin Hood (Robin was too deferential to Royals) but I get the impression that he might have been/become a smarter version of Wat Tyler...... less trusting than Wat was of the Fink :wink: who was King :wink: Richard II..........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wat_Tyler

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wat_Tyler%27s_rebellion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_king_is_a_fink

What I have read about him indicates that he had the homesteaders (Selectors) supporting him against the "Squatocracy"............ And that the police were often corrupt........ Not sure that I blame him much .........

And the is the gamness of his end: Telling the trial judge who said "May God have mercy on your soul", Kelly replied "I will go a little further than that, and say I will see you there when I go" * /This is going to be settled in a higher court" whereupon the Judge dies within 12 days after Kelly rather like what is reputed to have happened to Lady Jane Grey's judge........ POEtic/literary justice? :wink:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redmond_Barry#Kelly_cases

*I understand this to mean see you in Hell............
the most popular ned kelly quote in these parts are his last words, "such is life"

as for the locals supporting him, yes their is truth in that, but some locals supported chopper aswell... their are some fine lines that make the distinction between outlaw hero and badboy gangster.... kind of moot ;)

modern day america has its gangster rappers... are they hero outlaws or badboy gangsters ? :)

as for my health, dragging myself to work and suffering for it.. i suspect im still a bit "ranty" .

Thank you Very Much for your post, Friend Noddy.

Hope & pray that you continue to get better. Have been there and done that. Sometimes because necessary.....Being there is often "50 to 90% of the job". But if in person, one has to consider infection, off-putting the clients with the cough even if not infectious, and relapsing............
as for the locals supporting him, yes their is truth in that, but some locals supported chopper aswell... their are some fine lines that make the distinction between outlaw hero and badboy gangster.... kind of moot ;)

modern day america has its gangster rappers... are they hero outlaws or badboy gangsters ? :)
I suppose that depends .......... Heros to some.......... Ned was a hero to the homesteaders................. Outlaw to the Squatters ;) * /Aristocracy.

Not a big rapper fan but notice that I did quote Ice Cube: "Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6"........................

Oops for real........ Think that was in the Canadian Honor Killing thread............

AIUI Bezerk/Demon of Undoing (DOU) recently mentioned that he got out of law enforcement because he didn't want to have to try to take down Boyz in the Hood/the gangsta rapper culture who were doing more or less what the their unprosecuted betters in the Drug Companies were doing......

Reminded me of a quote from an ex Oz police trooper in the time of Ned............

(DOU please correct me if Orko has got this wrong)

A better comparison to Ned for Uz :wink: Americans would be Jesse James....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_james

Ironically, Bob Ford, the man who murdered Jesse was killed by a man named O'Kelly


*Here in UZ :wink: oops I mean US. squatter usually has a lower class often negative flavor though if the legal owners have been negligent........................

BTW: Uz can mean trolls........... rednecks/borderers/Jacksonians maybe :wink: especially to the elites..... ......... perhaps Trollans like me too...........
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squatting_(pastoral)
The term ‘squatter’ derives from its English usage as a term of contempt for a person who had taken up residence at a place without having legal claim. The use of ‘squatter’ in the early years of European settlement of Australia had a similar connotation, referring primarily to a person who had ‘squatted’ on unoccupied land for pastoral or other purposes. In its early derogatory context the term was often applied to the illegitimate occupation of land by ticket-of-leave convicts or ex-convicts (emancipists).
From the mid-1820s, however, the occupation of Crown land without legal title became more widespread, often carried out by those from the upper echelons of colonial society. As wool began to be exported to England and the colonial population increased the occupation of pastoral land for raising cattle and sheep progressively became a more lucrative enterprise. ‘Squatting’ had become so widespread by the mid-1830s that Government policy in New South Wales towards the practice shifted from opposition to regulation and control. By that stage the term ‘squatter’ was applied to those who occupied Crown land under a lease or license, without the negative connotation of earlier times.
The term soon developed a class association, suggesting an elevated socio-economic status and entrepreneurial attitude. By 1840 squatters were recognized as being amongst the wealthiest men in the colony of New South Wales, many of them from upper and middle-class English and Scottish families. As unoccupied land with frontage to permanent water became more scarce, the acquisition of runs increasingly required larger capital outlays.
Eventually the term ‘squatter’ came to refer to a person of high social prestige who grazes livestock on a large scale (whether the station was held by leasehold or freehold title). In Australia the term is still used to describe large landowners, especially in rural areas with a history of pastoral occupation. Hence the term, Squattocracy, a play on Aristocracy
The power of the squatters, including their affinity with the police, is alluded to in "Waltzing Matilda", Australia's archetypal folksong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waltzing_Matilda
The title is Australian slang for travelling by foot with one's goods in a "Matilda" (bag) slung over one's back.[2] The song narrates the story of an itinerant worker, or "swagman", making a drink of tea at a bush camp and capturing a sheep to eat. When the sheep's owner arrives with three police officers to arrest the worker for the theft, the worker commits suicide by drowning himself in the nearby watering hole and then goes on to haunt the site.
some australians push for this to be the national anthem.. which is quite amusing, its certainly more appropriate than the crap we have currently.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance_Australia_Fair
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noddy wrote:
Typhoon wrote: That Australia would invoke internet censorship to such a degree I find very surprising, and disappointing, given that I've always perceived Australia to be a rather robust a parliamentary democracy.

Why did Australia embrace the Nanny State?
its why you dont understand my cynicism of modern democracy, nor my "induced paranoia" about the nature of the modern surveillance state.

australia is largely full of mind your own business types who ignore government and dont expect much from anyone, the political class and the chattering class pretty much loathe the general populace.

robust democracy is meaningless twaddle from the propoganda department, it assumes average people want to argue with each other over philosophy and other mental masturbation topics so loved by the self important elites... they dont, they want to make themselves useful to the community they live in and then relax when the work is done... grand visions for utopias of either the conservative or progressive variety arent on the agenda.

word hard, play hard is the australian way.. we were ripe for takeover by the remote elites, the feature of living in a tolerant mind your own business community is the bug of living in a community that doesnt want to fight over personal choices and then let those that do want to, takeover the system.

our culture has yet to adapt to this post modern "everything is politics" situation brought upon us by the baby boomers...small groups of busy bodies, politically active types can run amok amongst us because we are too busy trying to keep out own little worlds happy and stable and their are no lines in the sand about whats private and personal choice anymore.... you can only seperate church and state when people go to church..

its technology thats making it worse because enforcement is becoming more and more reliable... silly laws didnt mean much in the 1970's when we had strict innocent until proven guilty legal culture and it required a policeman to catch you in the act, nowdays an automated system can catch you and its guilty unless you can prove yourself innocent.

not really sure what the outcome will be, but i suspect its not going to be pretty.
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noddy wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squatting_(pastoral)
The term ‘squatter’ derives from its English usage as a term of contempt for a person who had taken up residence at a place without having legal claim. The use of ‘squatter’ in the early years of European settlement of Australia had a similar connotation, referring primarily to a person who had ‘squatted’ on unoccupied land for pastoral or other purposes. In its early derogatory context the term was often applied to the illegitimate occupation of land by ticket-of-leave convicts or ex-convicts (emancipists).
From the mid-1820s, however, the occupation of Crown land without legal title became more widespread, often carried out by those from the upper echelons of colonial society. As wool began to be exported to England and the colonial population increased the occupation of pastoral land for raising cattle and sheep progressively became a more lucrative enterprise. ‘Squatting’ had become so widespread by the mid-1830s that Government policy in New South Wales towards the practice shifted from opposition to regulation and control. By that stage the term ‘squatter’ was applied to those who occupied Crown land under a lease or license, without the negative connotation of earlier times.
The term soon developed a class association, suggesting an elevated socio-economic status and entrepreneurial attitude. By 1840 squatters were recognized as being amongst the wealthiest men in the colony of New South Wales, many of them from upper and middle-class English and Scottish families. As unoccupied land with frontage to permanent water became more scarce, the acquisition of runs increasingly required larger capital outlays.
Eventually the term ‘squatter’ came to refer to a person of high social prestige who grazes livestock on a large scale (whether the station was held by leasehold or freehold title). In Australia the term is still used to describe large landowners, especially in rural areas with a history of pastoral occupation. Hence the term, Squattocracy, a play on Aristocracy
The power of the squatters, including their affinity with the police, is alluded to in "Waltzing Matilda", Australia's archetypal folksong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waltzing_Matilda
The title is Australian slang for travelling by foot with one's goods in a "Matilda" (bag) slung over one's back.[2] The song narrates the story of an itinerant worker, or "swagman", making a drink of tea at a bush camp and capturing a sheep to eat. When the sheep's owner arrives with three police officers to arrest the worker for the theft, the worker commits suicide by drowning himself in the nearby watering hole and then goes on to haunt the site.
some australians push for this to be the national anthem.. which is quite amusing, its certainly more appropriate than the crap we have currently.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance_Australia_Fair
Thank you Very Much for your post, Noddy.

Many years ago when I was in Elemental :wink: School with all the gnomes, sylphs, undines and salamanders, our music book had 2 songs from Oz which for some reason were the ones I voluntarily memorized and still remember: "Waltzing Matilda" and "Kookaburra" (thought it had just one verse..........).

(Am winging :wink: this )

Kookaburra sits on the old gum tree!
Merry, Merry King of the Bush is he!
Laugh! Kookaburra!
Laugh, Kookaburra!
Gay* your life must be.



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The real deal........

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Given the gloomy nature of Waltzing Matilda if one really understands the original meaning (Passive aggressive suicide/Not about a forbidden romance), I was going to suggest Kookaburra as an Oz anthem..... Fortunately I checked with the Wiki Tiki :wink:

YIKES! WoW!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kookaburra ... ght_status

I presume this is what you mean by "rent seeking" ..........
Copyright lawsuit

The flute part of the recording of the song is allegedly based on the children's rhyme "Kookaburra", written by Marion Sinclair for a Girl Guides competition in 1935. Sinclair died in 1988[2] and the rights to the Kookaburra song were deemed to have been transferred to publisher Larrikin Music on 21 March 1990.[18] In the United States, the rights are administered by Music Sales Corporation in New York City.

In June 2009, 28 years after the release of the recording, Larrikin Music sued Men At Work for copyright infringement, alleging that part of the flute riff of "Down Under" was copied from "Kookaburra". The counsel for the band's record label and publishing company (Sony BMG Music Entertainment and EMI Songs Australia) claimed that, based on the agreement under which the song was written, the copyright was actually held by the Girl Guides Association.[19][20] On 30 July, Justice Peter Jacobson of the Federal Court of Australia made a preliminary ruling that Larrikin did own copyright on the song, but the issue of whether or not Hay and Strykert had plagiarised the riff was set aside to be determined at a later date.[21]

On 4 February 2010, Justice Jacobson ruled that Larrikin's copyright had been infringed because "Down Under" reproduced "a substantial part of Kookaburra".[22]

When asked how much Larrikin would be seeking in damages, Larrikin's lawyer Adam Simpson replied: "anything from what we've claimed, which is between 40 and 60 per cent, and what they suggest, which is considerably less."[23][24][25] In court, Larrikin's principal Norman Lurie gave the opinion that, had the parties negotiated a licence at the outset as willing parties, the royalties would have been between 25 and 50 per cent.[26] On 6 July 2010, Justice Jacobson handed down a decision that Larrikin receive 5% of royalties from 2002.[26][27] In October, 2011 the band lost its final court bid when the high court of Australia refused to hear an appeal.[28]

Until this high-profile case, "Kookaburra"'s standing as a traditional song combined with the lack of visible policing of the song's rights by its composer had led to the general public perception that the song was within the public domain.[29][30]

The revelation of "Kookaburra"'s copyright status, and more-so the pursuit of royalties from it, has generated a negative response among sections of the Australian public.[31][32][33][34] In response to unsourced speculation of a Welsh connection, Dr Rhidian Griffiths pointed out that the Welsh words to the tune were published in 1989 and musicologist Phyllis Kinney stated neither the song's metre nor its lines were typical Welsh.[30]

Since the verdict, Colin Hay has continued to insist that any plagiarism was wholly unintentional. He says that when the song was originally written in 1978, it did not have the musical passage in question, and that it was not until two years later, during a jam rehearsal session, that flautist Greg Ham improvised the riff, perhaps subconsciously recalling "Kookaburra". Hay has also added that Ham and the other members of the band were under the influence of marijuana during that particular rehearsal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_Under ... ht_lawsuit

That flute riff is what the litigation trickster is suing over?????...........

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Didn't recognize it as even POSSIBLY "Kookaburra" related till I read the above.......
Advance_Australia_Fair
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Hmmmmmmmmmnnnn the Wiki Tiki sez the lyrics are booooorrrinnnnngggggg.........

Given my Weird Al outlook, I think that can be fixed.............

Channeling :wink: Chandler (A. Bertram) one of my favorite SF authors from Oz and quite the naturist/nudist

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._Bertram_Chandler

and famous Oz Artist Norman Lindsay painter of nudes that Uz could not tolerate in the 40's :o :shock: :roll: :( :( :( ...........


Think this one is SFW
Amazing how doing it 3D instead of 2D often makes a nude less problematic at least here in Uz.... The opposite in the ME...........

Image

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Lindsay

Why not "Advance Australia Bare!" :wink: ...............

Could help the tourist trade............

Take off that hot heavy Steely :wink: suit, Ned & Dan :wink:, and relax.........

No need to go to Phuket :wink: Beach in Tie the Knot/Thigh Land :wink:
Come :wink: to Oz

Suspect Weird Al might be willing to do his Ozsume :wink: work on the anthem for less than Litigation Larkin wants to suck out of Men at Work........ **

Here's a sample........... What Al can do to Gangsta/Rap

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Weird_Al%22_Yankovic


Original Gangsta/rap version......

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Hmmmmmnnnnnnnnnnn.................

Need to do a Public Service Announcement after that........... Always did one after the end of an adventure with He-Man :wink:

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Chris is one of the smarter/funnier people on the 3rd Rock :wink: from the Sun..........

Lots of GOOD advice.................

Obey the law

Be polite..........

Know what who you're ridin' with has done/has on him/her.....

Get a "white" friend........ For US/Uz rednecks, could mean getting a friend in a suit......... Maybe a Mormon :wink:

Don't ride with yo' wumman when she's angry..........



*Or "Fun" rather than "Gay"............. The Flinstones theme song has the same problem: "We'll have a Gay old time"

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as does a certain Christmas Carol........ "Don we now our gay apparel"



** Maybe I can have a go at it if Al's not interested........ :wink:

In the interest of fairness here are a few "modified anthems from Uz...........

The Star Mangled Spanner......... oops I mean Star Spangle Banner

Oh José,
Can you see
Any bedbugs on me
If you do
Pick a few
For the Red White and Blue

Oh, say does that Star Mangled Spanner
Still wave.....
O'er the land of the fee
And the home of the knave.......


The little salamanders :wink: (including Newt :wink: ) in Elemental School loved and were all fired :wink: up over this mod of the "The Battle Hymn of the Republic"

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the burning of the school
We/Uz have tortured every teacher
We have broken every rule

We are marching down the hall to hang the principal
And the Janitor is swimming in a can of paint

Glory Glory Halleluljah
Teacher hit me with a ruler
Hit her on the bean
With a rotten tangerine
And boy did she turn green

(less happily:
Shot her through the door
With a loaded '44
And she's teaching her no more)

My Country Tis of Thee......

My country didn't like me
So I went to Germany
To see the King

He looks like Donald Duck
He drives a garbage Truck
And the streets are never clean
Because he's King.........

Presumably the King makes deliveries rather than pickups :wink:

There's a military/Navy version a Marid :wink: mentioned to me once

"My CO didn't like me
He gave me a BCD
(BCD = Bad Conduct Discharge)

Unfortunately I don't remember the rest at the moment.......

Found a link:
My Country's Tired Of Me
-collected by Joe Bethancourt
Tune: "My Country 'Tis Of Thee"

My country's tired of me, I'm going to Germany
To see the King
His name is Donald Duck, he drives a garbage truck
From every mountain side, let garbage fling!

From Margaret Middleton

..I'm going to Germany, to serve the king.
I'll serve him sauerkraut, with weenies sticking out,
And we will all rejoice and shout: HOTSY-TOTSY, HE'S A NAZI!
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NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:
noddy wrote:
Typhoon wrote: That Australia would invoke internet censorship to such a degree I find very surprising, and disappointing, given that I've always perceived Australia to be a rather robust a parliamentary democracy.

Why did Australia embrace the Nanny State?
its why you dont understand my cynicism of modern democracy, nor my "induced paranoia" about the nature of the modern surveillance state.

australia is largely full of mind your own business types who ignore government and dont expect much from anyone, the political class and the chattering class pretty much loathe the general populace.

robust democracy is meaningless twaddle from the propoganda department, it assumes average people want to argue with each other over philosophy and other mental masturbation topics so loved by the self important elites... they dont, they want to make themselves useful to the community they live in and then relax when the work is done... grand visions for utopias of either the conservative or progressive variety arent on the agenda.

word hard, play hard is the australian way.. we were ripe for takeover by the remote elites, the feature of living in a tolerant mind your own business community is the bug of living in a community that doesnt want to fight over personal choices and then let those that do want to, takeover the system.

our culture has yet to adapt to this post modern "everything is politics" situation brought upon us by the baby boomers...small groups of busy bodies, politically active types can run amok amongst us because we are too busy trying to keep out own little worlds happy and stable and their are no lines in the sand about whats private and personal choice anymore.... you can only seperate church and state when people go to church..

its technology thats making it worse because enforcement is becoming more and more reliable... silly laws didnt mean much in the 1970's when we had strict innocent until proven guilty legal culture and it required a policeman to catch you in the act, nowdays an automated system can catch you and its guilty unless you can prove yourself innocent.

not really sure what the outcome will be, but i suspect its not going to be pretty.
Of all the Australians I have met, they had a similar disposition: very kind, inviting and fun to be around until they bring up politics or another sensitive topic and they become extremely aggressive as if they are about to gore you.
yes, its a common condition... created by the new politics , oh for the days of a disinterested high culture that left us alone .. oh for the blessing of indifference :P

you only broach politics and religions rarely and when you are in the mood for a shouting match... my immediate bloodline (out to cousins) has everything in it except japanese and african (working on that) and we agree on very little.

dont talk sex,politics or religion is the common rule amongst the matriarchs at family gatherings :)

so while we get forced to squabble over things we cant agree on and dont really care for agreeing on, the centralised nanny state has grown strong, exploiting the lack of coherancy in multi cultural environments.
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noddy wrote:
Azrael wrote:Someone starts a thread about Australia and almost immediately it becomes a thread about criminals.
its australian stereotypes so its always going to be convicts,dangerous creatures,aboriginal mistreatment OR beaches,kangaroos,bbq's.
ill add the other cliche, dangerous critters... tiger snakes are particularly nasty

http://www.couriermail.com.au/entertain ... 6272897319
A BRITISH tourist was bitten "down under" by a killer snake while answering a call of nature in the bush.

The reptile sunk its fangs into Jackson Scott's testicle as he squatted in the dark.

But when he begged best mate Roddy Andrews to suck the venom out, his pal refused, reports The Sun.

Instead he drove Jackson on a 40-minute life-or-death dash to Hobart where doctors gave him an antidote to the deadly tiger snake poison.

Musician Jackson, 29, of Glasgow, said: "I went into the garden at four in the morning after a night in the pub to save flushing the toilet because water is precious in the outback.

"Just as I finished and was about to tuck everything safely away, it bit me. I had my pants around my knees when I hobbled into Roddy's bedroom. My heart was racing and I was hallucinating.

"Needless to say, Rod was not of a mind to suck out the poison."

Jackson, starting a year's working holiday at the remote farm, added: "The doctors and nurses were very professional. They didn't take the mickey out of me being bitten on my wedding tackle."
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His mate was clearly not a teabagger . . .

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One can't help but wonder why so much deadly wildlife is concentrated Down Under.

My pet "Anne Elk" theory is that the longer species exist in some isolated and undisturbed ecosystem the longer they have to evolve ever more deadly defenses.
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noddy wrote:
Typhoon wrote: That Australia would invoke internet censorship to such a degree I find very surprising, and disappointing, given that I've always perceived Australia to be a rather robust a parliamentary democracy.

Why did Australia embrace the Nanny State?
its why you dont understand my cynicism of modern democracy, nor my "induced paranoia" about the nature of the modern surveillance state.

australia is largely full of mind your own business types who ignore government and dont expect much from anyone, the political class and the chattering class pretty much loathe the general populace.

robust democracy is meaningless twaddle from the propoganda department, it assumes average people want to argue with each other over philosophy and other mental masturbation topics so loved by the self important elites... they dont, they want to make themselves useful to the community they live in and then relax when the work is done... grand visions for utopias of either the conservative or progressive variety arent on the agenda.

word hard, play hard is the australian way.. we were ripe for takeover by the remote elites, the feature of living in a tolerant mind your own business community is the bug of living in a community that doesnt want to fight over personal choices and then let those that do want to, takeover the system.

our culture has yet to adapt to this post modern "everything is politics" situation brought upon us by the baby boomers...small groups of busy bodies, politically active types can run amok amongst us because we are too busy trying to keep out own little worlds happy and stable and their are no lines in the sand about whats private and personal choice anymore.... you can only seperate church and state when people go to church..

its technology thats making it worse because enforcement is becoming more and more reliable... silly laws didnt mean much in the 1970's when we had strict innocent until proven guilty legal culture and it required a policeman to catch you in the act, nowdays an automated system can catch you and its guilty unless you can prove yourself innocent.

not really sure what the outcome will be, but i suspect its not going to be pretty.
Age | [Aussie] Police spy on web, phone usage with no warrants
LAW enforcement and government departments are accessing vast quantities of phone and internet usage data without warrants, prompting warnings from the Greens of a growing ''surveillance state'' and calls by privacy groups for tighter controls.

Figures released by the federal Attorney-General's Department show that federal and state government agencies accessed telecommunications data and internet logs more than 250,000 times during criminal and revenue investigations in 2010-11.

The Greens senator Scott Ludlam highlighted the statistics while calling for tighter controls on access to mobile device location information.

''There should be a higher standard of proof, or a higher standard of cause needing to be shown, to track down your every location through your life than there is for reading your email,'' he said at a recent conference on internet privacy.

''We've already taken some pretty dangerous steps in this country towards the surveillance state, and not that many of us are either interested or aware that it's going on, including people like me who should know better.''
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Typhoon wrote:His mate was clearly not a teabagger . . .

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One can't help but wonder why so much deadly wildlife is concentrated Down Under.

My pet "Anne Elk" theory is that the longer species exist in some isolated and undisturbed ecosystem the longer they have to evolve ever more deadly defenses.
meh...America has more deadly species...we don't have anything like Grizzly Bears, Cougars, Jaguars, Lynx, Elephant Seals, Wolverines or Wolves, we have wild Dogs, Dingos, but they are harmless in comparison to a Timber Wolf.

I think the myth that Australia is exceptional in terms of dangerous species is a carefully crafted meme constructed by a particularly clever Department of Tourism bureaucrat in order to attract dumb Americans looking for 'danger'.
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Carbizene wrote:
Typhoon wrote:His mate was clearly not a teabagger . . .

____

One can't help but wonder why so much deadly wildlife is concentrated Down Under.

My pet "Anne Elk" theory is that the longer species exist in some isolated and undisturbed ecosystem the longer they have to evolve ever more deadly defenses.
meh...America has more deadly species...we don't have anything like Grizzly Bears, Cougars, Jaguars, Lynx, Elephant Seals, Wolverines or Wolves, we have wild Dogs, Dingos, but they are harmless in comparison to a Timber Wolf.

I think the myth that Australia is exceptional in terms of dangerous species is a carefully crafted meme constructed by a particularly clever Department of Tourism bureaucrat in order to attract dumb Americans looking for 'danger'.
Thank you Very Much for your post, Carbizene.
in order to attract dumb Americans looking for 'danger'.
The ones that annoy and frighten me are the ones who try to bring the "adventure" back home ........ bring back all sorts of dangerous/invasive critters which they let loose when they find it inconvenient to keep or forget to latch a door...........

Here's one example.............

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burmese_Pythons_in_Florida

I imagine DOU can comment further.........
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