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http://www.chron.com/news/world/article ... 191195.php


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The dramatic entry into Pakistani politics of Tahir-ul-Qadri, a preacher who until recently lived in Canada ..

Qadri has denied that and insisted his vague demands for election reform are simply meant to root out corruption in the political system. He pledged several weeks ago to lead a "million-man march" on Islamabad to press his demands.

During a 40-minute speech delivered behind bullet-proof glass in the early morning, Qadri told his supporters that the government's mandate was finished.

"I give you time until tomorrow to dissolve national and all four provincial assemblies otherwise the nation will dissolve them on their own," he said. He vowed to address his followers again in the morning in front of the parliament building.

Qadri called on the demonstrators to break through the containers blocking them from the government offices and peacefully march toward the protected enclave that is often called the "red zone" in Islamabad.

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These are "special agents" trained in west and sent to destabilize Muslim countries .. similar to Morsi in Egypt

If Islamist bad, how come NATO overthrows Qaddafi and brings Islamist to power .. same with Mubarak and Morsi .. seems there is good and bad Islamist


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Perhaps Pakistani authorities suspected the the nine month old was a Western "special agent" in disguise

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asi ... 69042.html
Pakistan court drops attempted murder case against baby

LAHORE: A Pakistani court on Saturday threw out charges of attempted murder against a nine-month-old baby, in a case that highlighted endemic flaws in the country's legal system and provoked widespread ridicule.

The court also launched a separate case to look into how police pressed charges against baby Mohammad Musa after his family clashed with gas company officials in a working class neighbourhood in the eastern city of Lahore.

Police lodged a case against the whole family.

The case drew international attention and sparked ridicule against the Pakistani criminal justice system, after the toddler was photographed crying while being fingerprinted in court. His grandfather was later seen trying to comfort him with a milk bottle.

Inspector Kashif Muhammad, who was at the crime scene and pressed attempted murder charges against the baby, has since been suspended.

The charges were in direct contradiction with Pakistan's minimum age of criminal responsibility, which was raised from seven to 12 years in 2013 except in terrorism cases.

Police told judge Rafaqat Ali Qamar Saturday that the baby was "no longer required in the case".

Musa's grandfather, Muhammad Yasin, subsequently withdrew a bail application for the baby as the court dropped the case.

Yasin had accused police of fabricating the charges because they were colluding with a rival party who wanted to see the accused evicted from their land and had obtained an order to remove their gas connections.
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School next to ISI headquarters name lib after Bin Laden

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So Bin Laden took refuge next to Pakistan's national military academy. Now the a Women's Islamic school run by Islamic militants that neighbors Pakistan's Intelligence service (ISI) Names its library after Osama bin Laden, the martyr.....

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/la ... 6889595930
Bin Laden library causes storm in Pakistan

April 19, 2014 12:18AM

A DECISION by an Islamic seminary for women to name its library after former al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden has caused a controversy in Pakistan's capital.

Maulana Abdul Aziz of the Red Mosque, known for its alleged links to militant groups, renamed the school's existing library Maktbah Usama bin Laden Shaheed - Urdu for Osama bin Laden, the martyr.

Aziz said the main objective of the initiative was to show "respect" for bin Laden.

"He is our hero, and we do not care if the world calls him a terrorist," the cleric said.

The library is situated in the centre of Islamabad, about half a kilometre from the headquarters of Pakistan's intelligence agency, which has been accused of protecting the former al-Qaeda chief before he was killed by the US military in 2011 during a raid in Pakistan.

Commentators have referred to the renaming of the library as inappropriate and have branded it an embarrassment for the government and its security institutions, which have come under fire for failing to curb the activities of extremist groups.

"It is a huge embarrassment," security expert Hasan Askari Rizvi said.

"It shows that the government is confused, and it does not have a clear policy towards the groups who cherish al-Qaeda ideology."
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Pakistan’s Hand in the Rise of International Jihad


The madrasa, a longtime instrument of Pakistani intelligence, has been training people from the ethnic minorities of northern Afghanistan alongside its standard clientele of Pashtuns. The aim is still to win control of northern Afghanistan through these young graduates. From there they have their eyes on Central Asia and western China. Pakistani clerics are educating and radicalizing Chinese Uighurs as well, along with Central Asians from the former Soviet republics.

No one has held Pakistan to account for this behavior. Why would Pakistan give it up now?

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https://www.firstpost.com/world/pakista ... 10411.html
Imran Khan once promised to change Pakistan. But Pakistan has changed him. To come within a striking distance of achieving his dream of leading the country (and not just its cricket team), Khan has had to traverse a personal journey longer and more transformative than the one he undertook to emerge as a front-runner for the prime minister's post in 2018.

From being an Oxford-educated member of global elite with clipped English accent and a marriage (later broken) with the daughter of a British tycoon to becoming a ‘staunch’ Islamist with feverish support for Pakistan’s stern blasphemy laws or regressive views on women, Khan has gone back a long way.
this may end up being huge.

pakistan has its first non establishment, non status quo president and he is a massively popularist islamic type with huge charisma - his platform is abandoning the western model and moving to the chinese model.

hold on to your hats.

he also happened to be one of the best cricketers ever
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noddy wrote: Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:59 am https://www.firstpost.com/world/pakista ... 10411.html
Imran Khan once promised to change Pakistan. But Pakistan has changed him. To come within a striking distance of achieving his dream of leading the country (and not just its cricket team), Khan has had to traverse a personal journey longer and more transformative than the one he undertook to emerge as a front-runner for the prime minister's post in 2018.

From being an Oxford-educated member of global elite with clipped English accent and a marriage (later broken) with the daughter of a British tycoon to becoming a ‘staunch’ Islamist with feverish support for Pakistan’s stern blasphemy laws or regressive views on women, Khan has gone back a long way.
this may end up being huge.

pakistan has its first non establishment, non status quo president and he is a massively popularist islamic type with huge charisma - his platform is abandoning the western model and moving to the chinese model.

hold on to your hats.

he also happened to be one of the best cricketers ever
Well, Imran Khan, received the boot.

However, Pakistan's problems persist and worsen

FT | Pakistan’s economy nears collapse as foreign currency reserves plunge
Authorities cut imports to conserve dwindling funds and businesses struggle to stay afloat
Benjamin Parkin and Farhan Bokhari in Islamabad 5 HOURS AGO

Pakistan’s economy is at risk of collapse, with rolling blackouts and a severe foreign currency shortage leaving businesses struggling to operate as authorities attempt to revive an IMF bailout to relieve the deepening crisis.

Shipping containers full of imports are piling up at Pakistani ports, according to the country’s central bank, with buyers unable to secure the dollars to pay for them. Associations for airlines and foreign companies have warned that they have been blocked from repatriating dollars by capital controls imposed to protect dwindling foreign reserves. Officials said that factories such as textile manufacturers were closing or cutting hours to conserve energy and resources.

The difficulties were compounded by a nationwide blackout on Monday that lasted more than 12 hours. Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif on Tuesday expressed his “sincere regrets for the inconvenience” and said an inquiry would determine the cause.

“Already a lot of industries have closed down, and if those industries don’t restart soon, some of the losses will be permanent,” said Sakib Sherani, founder of Macro Economic Insights in Islamabad.

Analysts warn that Pakistan’s economic situation is becoming untenable, and is at risk of following Sri Lanka, where a lack of foreign reserves triggered severe shortages of essential goods and eventually led to a default in May. Islamabad’s foreign reserves have dropped to under $5bn, less than a full month of imports, and Sharif’s government remains in a deadlock with the IMF over resurrecting a $7bn assistance package that stalled last year.

“Every day matters now. It’s simply not clear what the way out is,” said Abid Hasan, a former adviser to the World Bank. “Even if they get a billion [dollars] or two to roll over . . . things are so bad that it’s going to be just a Band-Aid at best.”

Ahsan Iqbal, Pakistan’s planning minister, told the Financial Times that Pakistan had “drastically” reduced imports in an attempt to conserve foreign currency. Analysts said this included restricting banks from opening letters of credit for importers, leading a steel industry body this week to threaten to stop production.

The central bank on Monday said it was easing import restrictions to facilitate the supply of essential items such as food and fuel. Pakistan is still reeling from devastating floods last year, which affected tens of millions of people and caused damage costing an estimated $30bn.

International lenders pledged more than $9bn to aid the country’s recovery at a donor conference in Geneva this month, but details about how and when that money will arrive are still being negotiated.

Sharif’s government has said it is committed to reviving the IMF deal to unlock the next tranche of funds. But the sides remain at an impasse over the IMF’s demand that Pakistan accepts economic reforms such as raising subsidised energy prices.

Pakistan argues that pushing through painful austerity measures while it is recovering from the floods is impractical. “If we just comply with the IMF conditionalities, as they want, there will be riots in the streets,” Iqbal said. “We need a staggered programme . . . The economy and society cannot absorb the shock or cost of a front-loaded programme.”

The economic turmoil comes as Pakistan prepares for elections that have to be held this year. Sharif’s main challenger is Imran Khan, the former prime minister who was ousted last year but remains highly popular. Both leaders blame the other for the economic predicament, and Khan is attempting to force early polls.

“We need predictable power,” said Taimur Khan Jhagra, a leader from Khan’s Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf party, accusing Sharif’s government of mishandling the energy supply. “It dictates the quality of life.”

“As you can see, nothing works in Pakistan,” said Akram Khan, a 25-year-old who had lost his job at a used-car showroom in Islamabad, during the blackout. “Since early winter, we have had gas shortages at home. And now we saw electricity to all of our country getting disconnected.”
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Imran Khan said US fooled Pakistan into Afghanistan debacle (As Turkey was fooled into Syria debacle) and now Pakistan should "disengage".

After Imran Khan became Prime minister of Pakistan, his first state visit, foreign travel was "Iran".

Imran Khan did not flow to Tehran , he flow to Mashad , for a pilgrimage to "Imam Reza" SHRINE (to please the mad mullahs) .. AND .. visit in Mashad the resting place for Iran's "NADER SHAH"


Nader Shah

Because of his military genius, some historians have described him as the Napoleon of Persia, the Sword of Persia, or the Second Alexander.

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Invasion of India

Despite being outnumbered by six to one, Nader Shah crushed the Mughal army in less than three hours at the huge Battle of Karnal on 13 February 1739.

After this spectacular victory, Nader captured Mohammad Shah and entered Delhi.

When a rumour broke out that Nader had been assassinated, some of the Indians attacked and killed Iranian troops; by midday 900 Iranian soldiers had been killed.

Nader, furious, reacted by ordering his soldiers to sack the city.

During the course of one day (March 22) 20,000 to 30,000 Indians were killed by the Iranian troops and as many as 10,000 women and children were taken as slaves, forcing Mohammad Shah to beg Nader for mercy.

In response, Nader Shah agreed to withdraw, but Mohammad Shah paid the consequence in handing over the keys of his royal treasury, and losing even the fabled Peacock Throne to the Iranian emperor.

The Peacock Throne, thereafter, served as a symbol of Iranian imperial might.

It is estimated that Nader took away with him treasures worth as much as seven hundred million rupees.

Among a trove of other fabulous jewels, Nader also looted the Koh-i-Noor (meaning "Mountain of Light" in Persian) and Darya-ye Noor (meaning "Sea of Light") diamonds.

By visiting Nader Shah grave Imran Khan was sending a message to Iran against the India

CIA , alarmed by Imran Khan rapprochement with Iran, insisted Pakistani military to oust Imran Khan

But, the Pakistani street is with Imran Khan

Pakistan military could reinstate Imran Khan back to power
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Why would Khan go to Iran?

Iran is controlled opposition for Israel and the US deep state. The DPRK of the Middle East.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote: Thu Jan 26, 2023 4:19 pm Why would Khan go to Iran?

Iran is controlled opposition for Israel and the US deep state. The DPRK of the Middle East.


Imran Khan was close to the "big picture" Iran has of Middle Eastern future .. he thought/thinks in similar lines.

He went to Tehran for mediating between Iran and Saudi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHuZTM5qzVo

US does not want Saudi-Iran rapprochement .. Ghassem Soleimani was on state visit to Baghdad to meet, negotiate with Saudi .. that is why US assassinated him, this was a political warning (probably to MBS) .. otherwise it was easy to assassinate Soleimani in many occasions, he was present as combatant in all his battles, he no armchair general but hands on general.

Arab - Iran rapprochement is not in American nor in Western interest, far from it.

Khan said and still says openly that Western meddling in ME is not in ME interest and .. That is what mad mullahs saying too

Imagine : Arabs team up with Iran , Russia, China .. :lol:

In reality MBS already half way there :D
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I think Israel/US must maintain their mediation of Iran & Saudi trade.

Iran connecting w/Saudi is fine, but Israel/US must control the relationship.
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Problem with pakistan is that its barely a coherant country, and the corrupt scams they have built up playing India, America and China against each other are all starting to get complicated - without bringing in Iran and Afhganistan.

The elite are all London educated upper middle class, the fringes are wild Pashtuns who dont care about anyones plans.

Imran is probably the closest to being charismatic and broad minded enough to put a foot on either side of that fence, but it cant happen against the corrupt backdrop of the status quo.
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The Meddle East, Pakistan and Iran included, is a conglomerate of violent gangs that control neighborhoods. Cycles of loyalty, betrayed trust, treason and re-alliancing.

Relative underdogs, smaller class B players try team-up with others and beat-up the bigger guys. But former friends can become foes, and vice versa. If nothing is achieved because chaos, violence and paranoia become systemic, only nukes will guarantee the desired power and honorable status. All gangs in the area know that. Without nukes or any type of MAD, no stability is possible. If even that fails there is plan B and believe that victory and honor come in the afterlife. Religious nuts will win since they overcome biological fear of death with a continuous afterlife brainwash in their houses of worship.

The gangs of the dominant West play a bit different game: allow messy neighborhoods like the Meddle East Monkeytown make each other as miserable as possible. Only interfere minimally, to just enough keep their house divided. Or even do nothing at all and just watch and monitor...

The West will not be defeated by other gangs but by rushing towards its own economic downfall, handing over democratically distributed controls to centralized tech then fully operated by the usual oligarch crime syndicates, who sleep with the bankster cash whore centralized brothels. Political far left and corporate fascism (corporation=fascist by nature) joined hands!

There is a theory saying that especially leftwing females tend to feel attracted to fascist power d*cks, who remind them that reality is hard and ejaculates facts instead of utopian smoke and fiction.
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Parodite wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 6:25 pm The Meddle East, Pakistan and Iran included, is a conglomerat of violent gangs that control neighborhoods. Cycles of loyalty, betrayed trust, treason and re-alliancing.

Relative underdogs, smaller class B players try team-up with others andbeat-up the bigger guys. But former friends can become foes, and vice versa. If nothing is achieved because chaos, violence and paranoia become systemic, only nukes will guarantee the desired power and honorable status. All gangs in the area know that. Without nukes or any type of MAD, no stability is possible. If even that fails there is plan B and believe that victory and honor come in the afterlife. Religious nuts will win since they overcome biological fear of death with a continuous afterlife brainwash in their houses of worship.

The gangs of the dominant West play a bit different game: allow messy neighborhoods like the Meddle East Monkeytown make each other as miserable as possible. Only interfere minimally, to just enough keep their house divided. Or even do nothing at all and just watch and monitor...

The West will not be defeated by other gangs but by rushing towards its own economic downfall, handing over democratically distributed controls to centralized tech then fully operated by the usual oligarch crime syndicates, who sleep with the bankster cash whore centralized brothels. Political far left and corporate fascism (corporation=fascist by nature) joined hands!

There is a theory saying that especially leftwing females tend to feel attracted to fascist power d*cks, who remind them that reality is hard and ejaculates facts instead of utopian smoke and fiction.


Yes, long story short, there some grain of truth in this :lol:
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Nonc Hilaire wrote: Thu Jan 26, 2023 11:38 pm
Iran connecting w/Saudi is fine, but Israel/US must control the relationship.

Yes, that's why it taking so long .. until Israel/US realize they have (pretty much) no say anymore

Iran AND Saudi positions becoming stronger and stronger, (partly) thanks to Xi and Putin (and partly due to Western wrong, silly, policies).

West played it's hands bad
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