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noddy wrote:
Ibrahim wrote:
noddy wrote: its been a constant for a long time now.
Not necessarily opposed to that view, but the difference is between going "that's too bad" and "right on." Pro-genocide individuals aside it does put a bit of a damper on the Aung San Suu Kyi coming out party.
for sure, i was reacting to How come, America always in bed with the bad guys ? and curious about what the good option was when it came to minority treatment in burma.

as for the fact that aung san put a dampner on the peurile "democracy == freedom and rights for all" narrative is of no surprise to me - im in that loony camp that doesnt like government power as a solution to community failings as a general rule.

sometimes the magority choice is an ugly thing - the argument is what can a government do about it and what stops that government from being equally ugly.

at some point you just need to deal with the fact humans are quite often nasty creatures and as an individual muslim in burma my main concern would be getting somewhere else.
Thank you VERY Much for your post, noddy.
at some point you just need to deal with the fact humans are quite often nasty creatures
Seconded......

Often on both/all sides.........

Depraved Sinful Egotistical Chaos Monkeys.........
as an individual muslim in burma my main concern would be getting somewhere else.
Bingo.....

Preferably a Muslim somewhere else unless one is willing to drop the old problem memes.........
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noddy wrote:
Ibrahim wrote:
noddy wrote: its been a constant for a long time now.
Not necessarily opposed to that view, but the difference is between going "that's too bad" and "right on." Pro-genocide individuals aside it does put a bit of a damper on the Aung San Suu Kyi coming out party.
for sure, i was reacting to How come, America always in bed with the bad guys ? and curious about what the good option was when it came to minority treatment in burma.

as for the fact that aung san put a dampner on the peurile "democracy == freedom and rights for all" narrative is of no surprise to me - im in that loony camp that doesnt like government power as a solution to community failings as a general rule.

sometimes the magority choice is an ugly thing - the argument is what can a government do about it and what stops that government from being equally ugly.

at some point you just need to deal with the fact humans are quite often nasty creatures and as an individual muslim in burma my main concern would be getting somewhere else.
Nobody wants to take in the Rohingya minority, and its the duty of the Burmese government to protect them according to all standards of international law. Humans are quite indeed nasty, as the advocacy for violent ethnic cleansing by m_g demonstrates here, but I fail to see how the solution is to accept disgusting behavior as inevitable. Either locally or in world affairs.

As for the US involvement, I don't consider it an American responsibility to prevent anything from happening in Burma, and the cheerleading for ethnic cleansing from individual Americans like m_g is irrelevant, but the US government doesn't need to support the regime either.
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mg is certainly anti muslim migration but i dont seem him supporting ethnic cleansing.

i say that in terms of "ethnic cleansing" being the word i associated with the brutal elimination of unliked groups via slaughter.

the 2 child for muslims policy of the burmese is definitely racist but needs to be seen in terms of the 1 child policy of the neighbouring chinese and is along way from ethnic cleansing as far as im concerned - it cheapens the word.

if the burmese had of been more tactful they could have achieved the same thing by having more government support for buddhist families that somehow never made it to the muslim ones.

the malaysians do that kind of thing all the time.. its all in the wording even if the outcomes are the same.
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Ibrahim wrote:
noddy wrote:
Ibrahim wrote:
noddy wrote: its been a constant for a long time now.
Not necessarily opposed to that view, but the difference is between going "that's too bad" and "right on." Pro-genocide individuals aside it does put a bit of a damper on the Aung San Suu Kyi coming out party.
for sure, i was reacting to How come, America always in bed with the bad guys ? and curious about what the good option was when it came to minority treatment in burma.

as for the fact that aung san put a dampner on the peurile "democracy == freedom and rights for all" narrative is of no surprise to me - im in that loony camp that doesnt like government power as a solution to community failings as a general rule.

sometimes the magority choice is an ugly thing - the argument is what can a government do about it and what stops that government from being equally ugly.

at some point you just need to deal with the fact humans are quite often nasty creatures and as an individual muslim in burma my main concern would be getting somewhere else.
Nobody wants to take in the Rohingya minority, and its the duty of the Burmese government to protect them according to all standards of international law. Humans are quite indeed nasty, as the advocacy for violent ethnic cleansing by m_g demonstrates here, but I fail to see how the solution is to accept disgusting behavior as inevitable. Either locally or in world affairs.

As for the US involvement, I don't consider it an American responsibility to prevent anything from happening in Burma, and the cheerleading for ethnic cleansing from individual Americans like m_g is irrelevant, but the US government doesn't need to support the regime either.
Thanks for the post iBS.
Fixed iBS ;-) wrote: Humans are quite indeed nasty, as the pompous lying, Jihadi Muslim violence condoning/justifying of Ibrahim demonstrates
Not that in my own very peculiar way ;) in my native ;) state, I am not a Depraved Sinful Egotistical Chaos Monkey as iBS is his own peculiar way ;) ..........

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iBS wrote: but the US government doesn't need to support the regime either.
Oh, Canada! ;) :twisted: :lol:

Might try fixing this first.........

Not that it really bothers me.........
Canada names first resident ambassador to Burma
New Canadian embassy will open in Rangoon this year
The Canadian Press
Posted: Mar 29, 2013 3:00 PM ET

The Foreign Affairs department has confirmed Canada's choice for its first-ever resident ambassador to the burgeoning democracy of Burma.

Mark McDowell, who currently works in the Canadian embassy in China, has officially been named to the post.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2 ... anmar.html
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noddy wrote:mg is certainly anti muslim migration but i dont seem him supporting ethnic cleansing.

i say that in terms of "ethnic cleansing" being the word i associated with the brutal elimination of unliked groups via slaughter.
Killing all of a group is genocide, simply removing them from a given area, coercively or not, is ethnic cleansing, though naturally the former accomplishes the latter. Both are considered war crimes under international law.

Upon learning that Burmese Buddhists were attacking and killing Muslims from the Rohingya minority group m_g expressed his approval and opined that the Burmese were finally learning the right way to deal with Muslims, making some reference to medieval Afghanistan. So m_g supports ethnic cleansing by violence at least, possibly genocide. I don't read many of his posts, and most are incoherent, so his exact position is unclear, but it is certainly violent and discriminatory. The only epistemologically interesting question, because its unknowable, is whether or not the inability to write coherently is a calculated ploy in service of a troll persona, or whether he is some kind of batty old man who is earnestly hateful and incoherent.

the 2 child for muslims policy of the burmese is definitely racist but needs to be seen in terms of the 1 child policy of the neighbouring chinese and is along way from ethnic cleansing as far as im concerned - it cheapens the word.
I didn't know of this policy but I wasn't including it under the heading of ethnic cleansing. It is a racist/discriminatory policy by definition, though I'm sure the kind of people who think ethnic cleansing is acceptable won't have a problem with it. Given how overtly brutal the previous regime was on all fronts I'm sure this law was one of their less-heinous actions.


if the burmese had of been more tactful they could have achieved the same thing by having more government support for buddhist families that somehow never made it to the muslim ones.
It doesn't seem to be a government initiative so much as the government tacitly supporting popular violence. Its not exactly the same as a centralized plan but even so this is how you get things like Rwanda in the 1990's. Here as there I think they can probably get away with it without much in the way of repercussions, so they don't need to be subtle.

As a ethnically and religiously distinct minority group it seems nobody wants the Rohingya. Burma doesn't want them and is killing them, Bangladesh doesn't want them, m_g wants them murdered on the basis of their religion, I only learned about them because of this recent violence. Its tough being Rohingya apparently.
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Ibrahim wrote:
noddy wrote:mg is certainly anti muslim migration but i dont seem him supporting ethnic cleansing.

i say that in terms of "ethnic cleansing" being the word i associated with the brutal elimination of unliked groups via slaughter.
Killing all of a group is genocide, simply removing them from a given area, coercively or not, is ethnic cleansing, though naturally the former accomplishes the latter. Both are considered war crimes under international law.

Upon learning that Burmese Buddhists were attacking and killing Muslims from the Rohingya minority group m_g expressed his approval and opined that the Burmese were finally learning the right way to deal with Muslims, making some reference to medieval Afghanistan. So m_g supports ethnic cleansing by violence at least, possibly genocide. I don't read many of his posts, and most are incoherent, so his exact position is unclear, but it is certainly violent and discriminatory. The only epistemologically interesting question, because its unknowable, is whether or not the inability to write coherently is a calculated ploy in service of a troll persona, or whether he is some kind of batty old man who is earnestly hateful and incoherent.

the 2 child for muslims policy of the burmese is definitely racist but needs to be seen in terms of the 1 child policy of the neighbouring chinese and is along way from ethnic cleansing as far as im concerned - it cheapens the word.
I didn't know of this policy but I wasn't including it under the heading of ethnic cleansing. It is a racist/discriminatory policy by definition, though I'm sure the kind of people who think ethnic cleansing is acceptable won't have a problem with it. Given how overtly brutal the previous regime was on all fronts I'm sure this law was one of their less-heinous actions.


if the burmese had of been more tactful they could have achieved the same thing by having more government support for buddhist families that somehow never made it to the muslim ones.
It doesn't seem to be a government initiative so much as the government tacitly supporting popular violence. Its not exactly the same as a centralized plan but even so this is how you get things like Rwanda in the 1990's. Here as there I think they can probably get away with it without much in the way of repercussions, so they don't need to be subtle.

As a ethnically and religiously distinct minority group it seems nobody wants the Rohingya. Burma doesn't want them and is killing them, Bangladesh doesn't want them, m_g wants them murdered on the basis of their religion, I only learned about them because of this recent violence. Its tough being Rohingya apparently.
Thanks for the post, iBS.
simply removing them from a given area, coercively or not, is ethnic cleansing,
Do you know the difference between evacuation ;) and ethnic cleansing? *

If people are removed with their consent, it is an evacuation as the Israelis did with the Ethiopian Jews.

Sometimes it's an evacuation even without their consent if done to save their lives........

As for example perhaps should have been done with Harry Truman or at least his cats ;) on Mount St. Helens ;) :cry: .


Both are considered war crimes under international law.
Which seems to be honored effectively mostly in the breach, iBS.

There are places where it is smart not to be even if you have a legal theoretical right to be there: Korean Mom & Pop convenience stores in "Hood" districts in LA are one example. Christians in Egypt are another....... Plenty more........

And gangs/communities of Depraved Sinful Egotistical Chaos Monkey Killer Apes who hate each other are often kept apart.......

Which is often a problem with Jihadis/traditional Islamics aiming at having have the Whole Dam World be one big Caliphate Cage under Muslim domination....

We so need to get off planet..........


So m_g supports ethnic cleansing by violence at least, possibly genocide.
Wrong again, iBS.

I support people resisting violence with violence when necessary.

It is much better for the civil authorities to control the situation and especially for the government to prevent things like this with closed borders and not allowing incompatible immigrants in the first place but for the common people resisting is better than being sheep to the slaughter as the Buddhist monks and nuns of Afghanistan were and as the Europeans may become given their folly in letting in people like Muslim Mullar Krekar.

Again I note YOUR silence on the violence done by the Burmese Muslims: You posted that article about the Muslim man burning the Buddhist woman without a word of criticism and you tried to justify the Nigerian British Jihadi Muslim Murderers of the Woolwich incident by saying it was revenge. Think this might have been revenge too. And in this case wrong as the civil authorities had arrested the vile Muslim Burning Man ;) :twisted: :roll: but if the government wants to prevent riots like this it needs to show the people in a spectacular way that it is actually protecting them and not letting Jihadi jerks wander the streets with meat cleavers as British Intelligence stupidity did ;) :twisted: :roll: or burn people with gasoline without exemplary punishment.
m_g wants them murdered on the basis of their religion,
No. MG prefers to see them to leave for Muslim lands rather than have mutual burning going on.

It is rather interesting that their fellow Muslims don't want them. Why don't you contact the Turkish consul about letting them in Turkey? ;)

Or maybe they should go to socialist welfare Scandinavia where they can join up with Mullah Krekar and be paid by the infidels to subvert them.
Just joking about the last.

Or they can drop the Muslim meme which is causing them problems......... :idea:

* Or more bluntly, your ass ;) and a hole in the ground.
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http://www.vice.com/read/is-burmas-anti ... -neo-nazis
When most Westerners think of Buddhism, they think of smiling men with potbellies and inspirational quotes from Phil Jackson. “Buddhist neo-Nazi” sounds like a contradiction in terms.

But in Burma, vicious anti-Muslim sentiment has been on the rise, and Buddhist extremists are responsible for attacking Muslims and burning down their houses and mosques, a state of affairs that was largely ignored until Anonymous launched a Twitter campaign to teach the world about the genocide against the Rohingya people, the officially stateless Muslims who many believe will be massacred if the world does not respond.

According to Dr. Muang Zarni, a Burmese human rights activist and research fellow at the London School of Economics, much of the blame for the current situation in Burma can be laid at the feet of the 969 group, which he describes as an neo-Nazi organization of hatemongers who are using Hitlerian tactics to “purify” the country by getting rid of the Muslims—it’s also, he says, one of the fastest-growing movements in the country.
Interview at the link.
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Ibrahim wrote:http://www.vice.com/read/is-burmas-anti ... -neo-nazis
When most Westerners think of Buddhism, they think of smiling men with potbellies and inspirational quotes from Phil Jackson. “Buddhist neo-Nazi” sounds like a contradiction in terms.

But in Burma, vicious anti-Muslim sentiment has been on the rise, and Buddhist extremists are responsible for attacking Muslims and burning down their houses and mosques, a state of affairs that was largely ignored until Anonymous launched a Twitter campaign to teach the world about the genocide against the Rohingya people, the officially stateless Muslims who many believe will be massacred if the world does not respond.

According to Dr. Muang Zarni, a Burmese human rights activist and research fellow at the London School of Economics, much of the blame for the current situation in Burma can be laid at the feet of the 969 group, which he describes as an neo-Nazi organization of hatemongers who are using Hitlerian tactics to “purify” the country by getting rid of the Muslims—it’s also, he says, one of the fastest-growing movements in the country.
Interview at the link.
Thank You Very Much for your post, Ibrahim.

Buddhists can be violent....

Because human Buddhists are also Depraved Sinful Chaos Monkeys though the monks at least are supposed to be trying to work against that......

Supposedly the historical Buddha's cousin, Devadatta, became a convert but then overcome by envy tried to stampede an elephant against him.

Recalling the Warrior Monks of Mount Hiei and the armed partisans of the Pure Land sect........

Also Samurai who practiced Zen Buddhism or the Nichiren sect......

A difference between Buddhists (& to a lesser degree Christians) and Muslims is that Buddhists, especially monks, who get violent are acting contrary to the instructions of Siddhartha, the historical Buddha while violent Muslims are acting in accordance with the instruction of the violent Muslim prophet Mohammmed and his even worse sucessors such as Ghalazi.


How does a sect that is supposed to be non violent deal with others who are violent and survive?

Non-violence worked for Gandhi against the mostly Christian Brits but AIUI not so well with Muslims during the separation.......

Wondering if this is one reason, Buddhist saints in literature are sometimes accompanied rather rowdy ;) bodyguards such as man-like Monkeys ;), humanoid Hogs ;) , and seemingly human Snapping Turtles ;) .

http://blsciblogs.baruch.cuny.edu/kaufm ... ksjadh.jpg

Recalling that even the Buddhist Goddess of Mercy, Kuan Yin, sometimes has a bodyguard.......


That said, the 969 group described by the article sounds VERY aberrant.......

Rather doubt that Siddhartha/Sakyamuni would claim them as his followers but don't want to get into the "No True Scotsman" fallacy over who is and is not a Buddhist.....


The shame is that the armed monks of Hiei stiffened by some Zen and Nichiren Samurai with the Pure Land army to defend the monasteries weren't there to defend the Buddhists of Afghanistan when the vile violent Muslim hordes invaded and "slaughtered the shaven pated Brahimins", Buddhist monks and nuns. The 969 group could be the cannon fodder vanguard :twisted:

Might not have the Malignant Malicious Muslim Meme in India and Burma and thus not have this problem...


I am tempted to say that the Rohingya should go back to Bangla Desh but I know that they probably would not be well received..... IIRC this has happened in fact when some have tried.

Muslims often do not treat their fellow Muslims or benefactors well as seen with how the Bangla Deshis treat Hindus despite being saved from their Malignant Malicious Muslim brothers from Punjab by a largely Hindu army or how the Muslims of Afghanistan treated Uz after being saved from the Russians.

So again, why not contact the Turkish consul about getting Turkey to take them, Ibrahim. Turkey sometimes handles refugees & others well though when they do not it is spectacular.

Recalling the Jews of Spain who went to Turkey and the Protestants who fled from Eastern Europe to Turkey to become the pet boar hunters of the Turks :) and eventually merged into Turkish society...


But bluntly I do NOT want more problematic Muslims including refugees, Burmese or not, in the US or even in Canada where they may wander across the incompetently guarded border into US/uz. Quite enough of ones like the Evil 19 of 911, the Vile Tsarnev brothers or the Somalis who are not of the Ayaan Hirsi Ali type who want to preserve what made Somalia bad rather than break their bad programming once they left for Uz or elsewhere.

Muslim countries should take Muslim refugees while Buddhist countries should take Buddhist refugees and likewise~ Christian countries like Uz should take Christian refugees such as Lebanese, Syrian, Iraqis, Egyptians.....

Or if their co-coreligionists are unwilling to help, it might be wise for the Rohingya to dump the Muslim meme and merge with the dominant Burmese culture.......

NOTES:

1. From your link:
When it comes to fighting this kind of abnormal religious movement, the language of human rights is never enough.
Perhaps true and also applicable to the abnormal religious movement known as Jihadi/traditional Conquer the World by whatever means necessary Islam....


2. From your link.....
If the West portrays what is happening in Burma accurately as genocidal, the international community will demand action and demand the perpetrators be brought to justice.
Not so sure about that.......

Sounds like another opportunity for the Chinese to get close to the Burmese military and exploit resources as they did in Sudan......

Chinese aren't as sentimental as Uz or even Euroz sometimes are...........

3. Betting you will likely denounce this post unread etc......... ;) :lol:

Probably better that way.......

Except for the Rohingya you might save............

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Disclaimer: NOT all Muslims are Violent Religious Fanatics who subscribe to the evil aspects of the Muslim meme but there are too many who do .......

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:lol: :lol: .. really funny, Monster .. you that by slightest saying Mosche this or that sound alarm, are now so silent of that genocide happening to Burmese Muslims .. only 2 child (meaning population decrease) and setting fire alive to Muslims .. what does it say ? ? it says you guys same guys used 2B when cheering Adolf, you guys have not repent


Well, as said many times, civilization must be earned


Re "NOT all Muslims are Violent Religious Fanatics who subscribe to the evil aspects of the Muslim meme", any fair (and intelligent) observer would admit that Christians not only have killed 1000 fold more innocent people, but much more evil too, Adolf & Churchill not the worst .. Counting WW 1 & 2 death will surpass 100 million , add to that African death in hands of Colonials and Indochina and India and Arabia and Afghanistan and South America (forget the America, south and north Indigini and Oceania)



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Heracleum Persicum wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:.

Disclaimer: NOT all Muslims are Violent Religious Fanatics who subscribe to the evil aspects of the Muslim meme but there are too many who do .......

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:lol: :lol: .. really funny, Monster .. you that by slightest saying Mosche this or that sound alarm, are now so silent of that genocide happening to Burmese Muslims .. only 2 child (meaning population decrease) and setting fire alive to Muslims .. what does it say ? ? it says you guys same guys used 2B when cheering Adolf, you guys have not repent


Well, as said many times, civilization must be earned


Re "NOT all Muslims are Violent Religious Fanatics who subscribe to the evil aspects of the Muslim meme", any fair (and intelligent) observer would admit that Christians not only have killed 1000 fold more innocent people, but much more evil too, Adolf & Churchill not the worst .. Counting WW 1 & 2 death will surpass 100 million , add to that African death in hands of Colonials and Indochina and India and Arabia and Afghanistan and South America (forget the America, south and north Indigini and Oceania)



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Thank you Very Much for your post, Azari.

If you want discuss our mutual violent bastardy, then the Muslim invasion of India needs to be included..... Offhand I am recalling ~60 to 80 million dead from that alone...........

I am not going to go further into things like that such as the Muslim slave trade ;) :twisted: and how the West may have learned Holy War from the Muslims etc. ;) :twisted: oops guess I just did :lol: and other Muslim meme toxic waste..........

What really matters is that often human Depraved Sinful Chaos Monkeys are Killer Apes who will find virtually any excuse to rob, rape, enslave and murder each other....... Religion is a common excuse so IMO best that Muslim lands take Muslim refugees, ~Christian lands take Christians etc.......

But there are sooooo many other Killer Ape reasons to kill that thus the importance of setting up separate off world colonies as far apart as possible so that if the Chaos Monkeys of the cage called Planet Earth manage to poison the cage or set it on fire, maybe the clever, cute, but violent race will survive elsewhere.....

As far as "Mosche" goes, if Iran wants to mess with a culture that is armed with nukes and has had a relatively recent bad experience from not fighting back, Iran should not surprised it and much of the Northern Hemisphere ends up radioactive..........

I do NOT want that to happen but it may.........

Build those Orion Rustam Rockets, Azari........
Take Persian Culture to the Stars........
And/or make peace with your enemy before the missiles launch..........
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monster_gardener wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:.

Disclaimer: NOT all Muslims are Violent Religious Fanatics who subscribe to the evil aspects of the Muslim meme but there are too many who do .......

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:lol: :lol: .. really funny, Monster .. you that by slightest saying Mosche this or that sound alarm, are now so silent of that genocide happening to Burmese Muslims .. only 2 child (meaning population decrease) and setting fire alive to Muslims .. what does it say ? ? it says you guys same guys used 2B when cheering Adolf, you guys have not repent


Well, as said many times, civilization must be earned


Re "NOT all Muslims are Violent Religious Fanatics who subscribe to the evil aspects of the Muslim meme", any fair (and intelligent) observer would admit that Christians not only have killed 1000 fold more innocent people, but much more evil too, Adolf & Churchill not the worst .. Counting WW 1 & 2 death will surpass 100 million , add to that African death in hands of Colonials and Indochina and India and Arabia and Afghanistan and South America (forget the America, south and north Indigini and Oceania)



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Thank you Very Much for your post, Azari.

If you want discuss our mutual violent bastardy, then the Muslim invasion of India needs to be included..... Offhand I am recalling ~60 to 80 million dead from that alone...........

I am not going to go further into things like that such as the Muslim slave trade ;) :twisted: and how the West may have learned Holy War from the Muslims etc. ;) :twisted: oops guess I just did :lol: and other Muslim meme toxic waste..........

What really matters is that often human Depraved Sinful Chaos Monkeys are Killer Apes who will find virtually any excuse to rob, rape, enslave and murder each other....... Religion is a common excuse so IMO best that Muslim lands take Muslim refugees, ~Christian lands take Christians etc.......

But there are sooooo many other Killer Ape reasons to kill that thus the importance of setting up separate off world colonies as far apart as possible so that if the Chaos Monkeys of the cage called Planet Earth manage to poison the cage or set it on fire, maybe the clever, cute, but violent race will survive elsewhere.....

As far as "Mosche" goes, if Iran wants to mess with a culture that is armed with nukes and has had a relatively recent bad experience from not fighting back, Iran should not surprised it and much of the Northern Hemisphere ends up radioactive..........

I do NOT want that to happen but it may.........

Build those Orion Rustam Rockets, Azari........
Take Persian Culture to the Stars........
And/or make peace with your enemy before the missiles launch.........

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Come on, Monster, come on.


Muslims, Islam did not invade anywhere .. neither did Christians or Christianity .. nor Christianity did all those awful things to Spanish or German Jews or to Vietnamese or to Iraqi Children or Afghan woman .. neither Islam had slavery nor Christianity had, slavery was in Arabia and Rome and Athens 1000s of years before that pedophile Moh (or Joseph the carpenter) showed up .. Mongul Khans, Monguls of India did all those awful things to India, and, Germans and Spanish did to Jews, and Americans did to Vietnamese and Iraqi and Afghan woman

Get your fact straight before bending them :lol:



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Heracleum Persicum wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:.

Disclaimer: NOT all Muslims are Violent Religious Fanatics who subscribe to the evil aspects of the Muslim meme but there are too many who do .......

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:lol: :lol: .. really funny, Monster .. you that by slightest saying Mosche this or that sound alarm, are now so silent of that genocide happening to Burmese Muslims .. only 2 child (meaning population decrease) and setting fire alive to Muslims .. what does it say ? ? it says you guys same guys used 2B when cheering Adolf, you guys have not repent


Well, as said many times, civilization must be earned


Re "NOT all Muslims are Violent Religious Fanatics who subscribe to the evil aspects of the Muslim meme", any fair (and intelligent) observer would admit that Christians not only have killed 1000 fold more innocent people, but much more evil too, Adolf & Churchill not the worst .. Counting WW 1 & 2 death will surpass 100 million , add to that African death in hands of Colonials and Indochina and India and Arabia and Afghanistan and South America (forget the America, south and north Indigini and Oceania)



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Thank you Very Much for your post, Azari.

If you want discuss our mutual violent bastardy, then the Muslim invasion of India needs to be included..... Offhand I am recalling ~60 to 80 million dead from that alone...........

I am not going to go further into things like that such as the Muslim slave trade ;) :twisted: and how the West may have learned Holy War from the Muslims etc. ;) :twisted: oops guess I just did :lol: and other Muslim meme toxic waste..........

What really matters is that often human Depraved Sinful Chaos Monkeys are Killer Apes who will find virtually any excuse to rob, rape, enslave and murder each other....... Religion is a common excuse so IMO best that Muslim lands take Muslim refugees, ~Christian lands take Christians etc.......

But there are sooooo many other Killer Ape reasons to kill that thus the importance of setting up separate off world colonies as far apart as possible so that if the Chaos Monkeys of the cage called Planet Earth manage to poison the cage or set it on fire, maybe the clever, cute, but violent race will survive elsewhere.....

As far as "Mosche" goes, if Iran wants to mess with a culture that is armed with nukes and has had a relatively recent bad experience from not fighting back, Iran should not surprised it and much of the Northern Hemisphere ends up radioactive..........

I do NOT want that to happen but it may.........

Build those Orion Rustam Rockets, Azari........
Take Persian Culture to the Stars........
And/or make peace with your enemy before the missiles launch.........

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Come on, Monster, come on.


Muslims, Islam did not invade anywhere .. neither did Christians or Christianity .. nor Christianity did all those awful things to Spanish or German Jews or to Vietnamese or to Iraqi Children or Afghan woman .. neither Islam had slavery nor Christianity had, slavery was in Arabia and Rome and Athens 1000s of years before that pedophile Moh (or Joseph the carpenter) showed up .. Mongul Khans, Monguls of India did all those awful things to India, and, Germans and Spanish did to Jews, and Americans did to Vietnamese and Iraqi and Afghan woman

Get your fact straight before bending them :lol:



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Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari.

Muslims, Islam did not invade anywhere ..
Really? :? :lol: :roll:

Then I suppose that I have inadvertently jumped timelines and in this one Yadizgerd the Persian Emperor didn't lose to the Muslim Arab army of Umar....

Maybe it was that tornado that passed earlier this week and I'm not in Kansas anymore ;) :lol:

Likewise the Romans and Spanish bested the Arabs if the Arabs tried any filibustering after getting Put down by the Pomegranates

And that Islam is only the quaint religion of some control freaks in Arabia.......


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Is this or similar a current map of the Middle East......... ;)
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The plight of the Rohingya is starting to get more coverage.
http://journal.georgetown.edu/2013/11/2 ... grieboski/

Between people who are concerned but can't really do anything (as with Darfur) and people who are happy that these people are being killed because they are Muslims (as with people on this forum) its hard to see anything happening to prevent the attacks, but at least it won't pass unremarked and absolve the Burmese government of any responsibility.
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Why not call the Turkish Ambassador....

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Ibrahim wrote:The plight of the Rohingya is starting to get more coverage.
http://journal.georgetown.edu/2013/11/2 ... grieboski/

Between people who are concerned but can't really do anything (as with Darfur) and people who are happy that these people are being killed because they are Muslims (as with people on this forum) its hard to see anything happening to prevent the attacks, but at least it won't pass unremarked and absolve the Burmese government of any responsibility.
Thank You Very Much for your post, Ibrahim.

Why not call the Turkish Embassy and see if you can persuade them to take in the Rohingya Muslims.

I'll even make it easy for you.
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Sometimes Turkey is good at things like this like they were with the Jews of 1492 Spain. :D

And other times the Turks can be really bad like they were with the Armenians. :evil:

This is a real suggestion and not a joke.

Maybe the Turks can match the compassion of Rafael Trujillo :shock: :D of the Dominican Republic who offered to take in 100,000 Jews fleeing the Nazis.
The only country willing to accept a large number of Jews was the Dominican Republic, which offered to accept up to 100,000 refugees on generous terms.[7] In 1940 an agreement was signed and Rafael Trujillo donated 26,000 acres (110 km2) of his properties for settlements.
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Same for other Muslim countries......

IMO Muslim refugees should go to Muslim countries....

Just like wise Syrian Christians should have a plan to get to Russia or the West if the Assad regime collapses.....
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Note that m_g expressly promotes ethnic cleansing in the above post.
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If you REALLY care about Rohingya, Call +1 (613) 244 24 70..

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Ibrahim wrote:Note that m_g expressly promotes ethnic cleansing in the above post.
Thank You for your Post, Ibrahim.

So suggesting that nations take in refugees is ethnic cleansing..... :roll:

As opposed to just blathering about how awful the situation is....... :|

So people like the Japanese Orthodox Saint Chiune Sugihara and the Portuguese Hero Aristides de Sousa Mendes were engaged in ethnic cleansing :shock: by assisting Jews & others to escape rather than wagging their fingers and running their mouths about how awful it is and how the authorities really must change their evil ways :roll: while making the victims stay where they could be killed :evil:


If you REALLY care about the Rohingya, call the Turkish ambassador (Phone +1 (613) 244 24 70) and other Islamic nation diplomats and try to get them to take in Rohingya.

Better to be in Turkey and alive than in Burma and dead.

I have called the U.S. President on behalf of the Syrian Christians and MUCH to my surprise it seems to have worked somewhat....

No bombs and flood of even more refugees yet.....

But I still expect that we in the US will need to take in Syrian Christians if the Assad regime collapses.....


Hopefully Russia will help too as AIUI many of the Syrian Christians are part Russian as well as Orthodox.


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Chiune Sugihara (杉原 千畝 Sugihara Chiune?, 1 January 1900 – 31 July 1986) was a Japanese diplomat who served as Vice-Consul for the Empire of Japan in Lithuania. During World War II, he helped several thousand Jews leave the country by issuing transit visas to Jewish refugees so that they could travel to Japan. Most of the Jews who escaped were refugees from German-occupied Poland and residents of Lithuania. Sugihara wrote travel visas that facilitated the escape of more than 6,000 Jewish refugees to Japanese territory, risking his career and his family's lives. Sugihara had told the refugees to call him "Sempo", the Sino-Japanese reading of the characters in his first name, discovering it was much easier for Western people to pronounce.[1] In 1985, Israel honored him as Righteous Among the Nations for his actions.
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Aristides de Sousa Mendes do Amaral e Abranches, GCC, OL (July 19, 1885 – April 3, 1954; Portuguese pronunciation: [ɐɾiʃˈtiðɨʒ ðɨ ˈsowzɐ ˈmẽdɨʃ]) was a Portuguese consul. As Portuguese Consul-General in Bordeaux, France, he ignored and defied the orders of his own government for the safety of war refugees fleeing from invading German military forces in the early years of World War II. In the Spring of 1940, he frantically issued Portuguese visas to countless refugees seeking to escape the Nazi terror.
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m_g states that the Rohingya, people born in Burma and persecuted as an ethnic minority by the majority Burmese population, belong in other "Muslims countries." Once again he is clearly promoting violent racism ethnic cleansing.

I don't understand why he alternately promotes genocide and then lies about it in his next post. I now seriously suspect he is mentally ill.
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Rohingya Muslims Better Off in Burma or Turkey?.......

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Ibrahim wrote:m_g states that the Rohingya, people born in Burma and persecuted as an ethnic minority by the majority Burmese population, belong in other "Muslims countries." Once again he is clearly promoting violent racism ethnic cleansing.

I don't understand why he alternately promotes genocide and then lies about it in his next post. I now seriously suspect he is mentally ill.
Thanks ;) for your post, Ibrahim.

I am trying to help you save lives if you are really more interested in saving lives than complaining about how unfair life is. :roll:

Just because someone is born somewhere does not necessarily mean that they have a legal right to be there** or that it is smart for them to stay there even if they do have that right.... :shock:

You may not like it but that is the way it often is.*

I rather doubt that you can change the opinion of the Burmese much but you might be able to save some of the Rohingya by getting Islamic nations to take them in.....

Would not the Rohingya be better off in Turkey among their brother Muslims who could help them than among a hostile majority population***

Are Turkey and other Muslim nations such dumps and hellholes that the Rohingya would be better off in Burma? :shock:

Again, if you REALLY CARE about the Rohingya, call the Turkish Ambassador and see if he can help.....

Like I did for the Syrian Christians by calling the U.S. President......

Do something about your current pet project rather than just bitch, moan and complain.... :roll:

If you REALLY care about Rohingya, Call the Turkish Embassy at: +1 (613) 244 24 70..

I'm beginning to suspect that I may care more about the Rohingya than you do :shock:

If all you do is complain rather than call someone who might be able to help.


* Talk to anyone that Saint Chiune Sughihara or Astrides Sousa Mendes helped if you don't believe me.

Given the nukes in the Middle East and elsewhere, I may have to move if I want to stay alive......

IMO Significant numbers of the human race need to move off planet if it is to survive given our Depraved Sinful Egotistical Chaos Monkey nature and the Danger of Mean Meteor & More Mother Nature....


** NOTE: In most of the World INCLUDING most of the Muslim nations, you do NOT get citizenship by being born in a nation!

If anything the trend is away from jus soli: citizenship by where one is born...

Jus soli (Latin: right of the soil),[1] is the right of anyone born in the territory of a state to nationality or citizenship.[


Jus soli is observed by a minority of the world's countries. Of advanced economies (as defined by the International Monetary Fund), Canada and the United States are the only countries that observe birthright citizenship.[6][7][8][9] As is shown clearly on the map, the jus soli is mainly in use in “the new world” — the Americas. Since 2004, no European country grants unconditional birthright citizenship.[10][11]

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Abolition of jus soli

Some countries which formerly observed jus soli have moved to abolish it entirely, conferring citizenship on children born in the country only if one of the parents is a citizen of that country. India did this on 3 December 2004, in reaction to illegal immigration from its neighbor Bangladesh; jus soli had already been progressively weakened since 1987.[32]

Maltese nationality law changed the principle of citizenship to jus sanguinis on 1 August 1989 in a move that also relaxed restrictions against multiple citizenship.[33]

Ireland abolished jus soli, which had been enshrined in the constitution, in favour of jus sanguinis in the 2004 referendum on citizenship, as a reaction to a perceived influx of asylum seekers.[citation needed]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

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***That dislikes them on the because they are seen as illegal aliens, on basis of their religion and because some of them burn people to death as seen in one of your own posts..

viewtopic.php?f=29&t=1827#p54479

Hajji Aung Lwin, a Muslim man from a village on the outskirts of Lashio, said the fighting appeared to have begun after a violent quarrel between a Muslim man and a Buddhist woman who worked at a petrol station.

Several residents said the man doused the woman in fuel and set her on fire. After police detained the man, local Buddhists surrounded the police station and demanded he be handed over, said Aung.

When they refused, the crowd rampaged, setting nearby motorbikes on fire and attacking Myoma Mosque, near Lashio market, residents said. One witness reported seeing flames in the city and a large building on fire.

The government imposed an emergency law known as Section 144 that bans public gatherings, marches and speeches, residents said.
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monster_gardener wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:.



Myanmar’s 2-child limit for Muslims


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. . plans by authorities in western Myanmar to revive a two-child limit on Muslim Rohingya families, a policy that does not apply to Buddhists and comes amid accusations of ethnic cleansing.

Over the weekend, authorities in strife-torn Rakhine state said they were restoring a measure imposed during past military rule that banned Rohingya families from having more than two children.

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How come, America always in bed with the bad guys ?




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Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari.
Myanmar’s 2-child limit for Muslims

For some strange reason, this reminds me of Muslim Mullah Krekar's boast that the Muslim immigrants in Europe were out-breeding the Europeans and would soon be the ones telling the Europeans what to do and changing them/their society.*

Does anyone wonder why the Burmese might want to prevent something like that?

I don't.

How many Buddhists are there in once Buddhist Afghanistan?

Suggest that Muslims in Burma move to Muslim Bangla Desh or Scandanavia where Mullah Krekar can greet them.

Also suggest that Christians get out of Syria if the Muslim Brotherhood & other Jihadis ;) :evil: oops I mean Rebels win......

*I have already posted the link for Mullar Krekar on this multiple times.....


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Nobel Peace Prize laureate Aung San Suu Kyi lost her composure and made an anti-Muslim remark about a BBC presenter after she was grilled about Myanmar’s violence-hit Rohingya Muslims.

“No one told me I was going to be interviewed by a Muslim,” she was heard muttering after the interview with BBC Today presenter Mishal Husain . .

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Aung San Suu Kyi lost her cool following a tense interview with BBC presenter Mishal Husain and was heard muttering "no one told me I was going to be interviewed by a Muslim", it has been claimed.

The leader of Burma’s National League for Democracy was challenged on anti-Islamic attitudes and violence towards Muslims in Burma, a majority Buddhist nation where Muslims make up just four per cent of the population.

When Husain asked about the plight of Muslims during the 2013 interview, Ms Suu Kyi, who is expected to undertake a formal position in power next month, insisted it did not represent “ethnic cleansing”.

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"Aung San Suu Kyi" was nurtured by CIA, for confronting China


Myanmar Muslims ? ? .. :lol: :lol: .. come on


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have you ever met a south east asian azari ?

they are perfectly capable of being ultra nationalist racists without CIA training.
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noddy wrote:.

have you ever met a south east asian azari ?

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NO

noddy wrote:.

they are perfectly capable of being ultra nationalist racists without CIA training.

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Believe you

But,

Being against their own people of different faith .. Islam, Hindu, Buddhist, Christian .. has nothing to do with "Nationalism" .. If Muslim Burmese were not ethnic Burmese but Pakistani or Arabs, nationalism in play.

This pure and simple "low culture and civilization" .. still living in "Jungle"

CIA does not create this "mindset" but uses it for CIA policy.

Zero doubt CIA was nurturing "Aung San Suu Kyi", selling her as "Democracy" loving leader of future Burma.


"Aung San Suu Kyi" should know, main pillar of DEMOCRACY is "protection of minority rights", otherwise it would be "Tyranny by Majority".


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im not aware of any cinnamon guilt movements yet.

maybe in a few decades when they control everything and their middle class gets the navel microscopes out.
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