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With I could start off a Burma thread with happier news.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 61619.html
Burma's Rohingya Muslims: Aung San Suu Kyi's blind spot

They suffer appalling violence and discrimination, but so far Aung San Suu Kyi has been notably silent on their plight

Aung San Suu Kyi's continued silence on the plight of Burma's Rohingya Muslims is sparking concern that the Nobel Peace Prize winner is failing to live up to her stature as one of the world's most celebrated pro-democracy campaigners.

Scores of people have been killed and tens of thousands have been made homeless during three months of inter-communal rioting between Buddhist and Muslim gangs in western Burma. Although there have been deaths on all sides, the Rohingya Muslims have been hit disproportionately hard in a state where they are already routinely discriminated against.

Throughout her two decades in jail and under house arrest, Ms Suu Kyi earned herself worldwide adoration for her refusal to bend to Burma's military junta and her steadfast criticism of all human rights abuses inside her country.

But "The Lady" has remained uncharacteristically silent on the persecution of Burma's Rohingya, knowing that speaking out would risk alienating many of her political allies who are vehemently opposed to them.

Diplomats and human rights groups have grown increasingly dismayed by her silence. One senior British minister told The Independent: "Frankly, I would expect her to provide moral leadership on this subject but she hasn't really spoken about it at all. She has great moral authority in Burma and while it might be politically difficult for her to take a supportive stance towards the Rohingya, it is the right thing to do."

During her visit to Britain in June, the Foreign Secretary, William Hague, privately urged Ms Suu Kyi to take a more proactive role in seeking reconciliation. The Independent understands that the matter was raised again by officials in Rangoon after Ms Suu Kyi was appointed chair of a committee dealing with the rule of law, peace and security. But so far their pleadings have fallen on deaf ears.

The Rohingya are a deeply unpopular cause inside Burma, where much of the country's majority Buddhist population view them as illegal immigrants from Bangladesh. The UN tells a different story and describes them as among the world's most persecuted people. Despite having lived in Burma for generations they are denied citizenship, need permission to marry or have more than two children and must notify the authorities if they wish to travel outside their villages.
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MEIKHTILA — Sectarian clashes between Buddhists and Muslims in Burma spread to at least two other towns in the country’s heartland over the weekend, undermining government efforts to quash an eruption of violence that has killed dozens of people and displaced 10,000 more.

President Thein Sein declared a state of emergency in the region on Friday and deployed army troops to the worst hit city, Meikhtila. But even as soldiers were able to impose order there after several days of anarchy that saw armed Buddhists torch the city’s Muslim quarters, unrest was reported in two other towns to the south.

Late Sunday, state television said that mobs burned down a mosque and 50 homes on Saturday in Yamethin, about 64 kilometers from Meikhtila, and another mosque and several buildings were also set ablaze in Lewei, further south near the capital, Naypyitaw.

The government has put the total death toll at 32, and authorities say they have detained at least 35 people allegedly involved in arson and violence in the region.

The spread of violence is posing major challenged to stability as Thein Sein’s administration, led by retired military officers, struggles to reform the Southeast Asian country after half a century of army rule officially ended two years ago.

Two similar episodes rocked western Arakan State last year, pitting ethnic Arakan Buddhists against Rohingya Muslims who are widely denigrated as illegal migrants from Bangladesh and are denied passports as a result. The Muslim population of central Burma, by contrast, is mostly of Indian origin and does not face the same questions over nationality.

Analysts say the emergence of sectarian conflict here is a worrying development, one that indicates violent anti-Muslim sentiment has spread unabated into the country’s heartland. Muslims make up about four percent of the predominantly Buddhist country’s roughly 60 million people.
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Religions - all religions - are responsible for this type of intolerance. Thinking one has the "real truth" while others are pagan leads the less intelligent among us to try and wipe out those who refuse to accept that revealed "truth". Christians were very good at killing Jews and Muslims in past times, just as Buddhists persecute Muslims in Burma or Muslims persecute Christians in Egypt or Iraq. If there really is God I'm sure He will be proud of the doings of His disciples...
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Endovelico wrote:Religions - all religions - are responsible for this type of intolerance. Thinking one has the "real truth" while others are pagan leads the less intelligent among us to try and wipe out those who refuse to accept that revealed "truth". Christians were very good at killing Jews and Muslims in past times, just as Buddhists persecute Muslims in Burma or Muslims persecute Christians in Egypt or Iraq. If there really is God I'm sure He will be proud of the doings of His disciples...
Thank You Very Much for your post, Endo.
Religions - all religions - are responsible for this type of intolerance.
Including the atheistic religion called Marxism

IMVHO the normally pacifistic Buddhists are somewhat slow learners when it comes to how to deal with militant Muslims.......

Recalling how when the militant Muslims invaded what is now Afghanistan, they "slaughtered the shaven pated Brahmins", that is the Buddhist monks and nuns destroying what was left of the fairly decent nation state that King Asoka had set up and putting Afghanistan on the road to being the awful place it is today.........

Recalling how Hindu India rescued the Muslim Bangladeshis from their West Pakistani evil Muslim "brothers" who were out to kill them.........

And how today Hindus in Bangla Desh are persecuted...........

Good Deeds are Often Punished...........

Not all Muslims are evil terrorists but IMVHO host countries should be very careful about letting Muslims in as refugees....

Even if not currently violent, they may turn so later....

Examples of this previously given............

Mohammed has told them that they are the "Best of Peoples" and that non-muslims/Infidels are not...........
If there really is God I'm sure He will be proud of the doings of His disciples...
How do we know that G_d is male..........?

And I suspect that G_d may look at us as pet cats........

Cute, sometimes affectionate and frequently violent.........
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Endovelico wrote:Religions - all religions - are responsible for this type of intolerance. Thinking one has the "real truth" while others are pagan leads the less intelligent among us to try and wipe out those who refuse to accept that revealed "truth". Christians were very good at killing Jews and Muslims in past times, just as Buddhists persecute Muslims in Burma or Muslims persecute Christians in Egypt or Iraq. If there really is God I'm sure He will be proud of the doings of His disciples...
A Burmese academic interviewed on CBC radio this morning said that the conflict had a more ethnic character. The majority Burmese Buddhist population, as well as lighter-skinned Burmese Muslims who aren't being persecuted, look down on the darker-skinned Rohingya. The religious angle could played up to help prevent foreign intervention. Lots of foreign leaders talked up Ang San Suu Kyi, easier for them to brush this off than reverse course now.

I didn't know anything about this conflict until this week. Last thing I heard about Burma was how great "The Lady" was, new beginnings etc.
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Burma: Rohingya Muslims Face Humanitarian Crisis
Fears of Long-Term Segregation of Displaced Population

(Bangkok) – The Burmese government is systematically restricting humanitarian aid and imposing discriminatory policies on Rohingya Muslims in Arakan State. The government should permit unfettered access to humanitarian agencies to provide assistance to Muslim populations, end segregated areas, and put forward a plan for those displaced to return to their homes.

“Burmese government restrictions on aid to Rohingya Muslims are creating a humanitarian crisis that will become a disaster when the rainy season arrives,” said Phil Robertson, deputy Asia director at Human Rights Watch. “Instead of addressing the problem, Burma’s leaders seem intent on keeping the Rohingya segregated in camps rather than planning for them to return to their homes.”

An ethnic Arakanese campaign of violence and abuses since June 2012 facilitated by and at times involving state security forces and government officials has displaced more than 125,000 Rohingya and Kaman Muslims in western Burma’s Arakan State. Tens of thousands of Rohingya still lack adequate humanitarian aid – leading to an unknown number of preventable deaths – in isolated, squalid displacement camps. Government security forces guarding the camps do not permit the residents to leave the camps, which has a devastating effect on their livelihoods, Human Rights Watch said.

Human Rights Watch has visited every major internally displaced person (IDP) camp in Sittwe Township in Arakan State, as well as pockets of unregistered displaced people in coastal and intra-coastal waterway areas, and in Mrauk-U Township, where many displaced Rohingya currently remain. Displaced Rohingya and non-Rohingya Muslims in Arakan State are located in 13 townships throughout the state; the 15 largest IDP camps are in the area of the state capital, Sittwe.

Several camps housing Rohingya are located in paddy fields and lowland areas that face heavy flooding during the rainy season, which will begin in May, yet the authorities have not taken serious steps to move them to higher ground. Humanitarian organizations in Arakan State are concerned that heavy rains will overflow already inadequate and overused latrines, spreading otherwise preventable waterborne diseases throughout the displaced population, whose health has already been weakened by inadequate food and medical care. In some sites visited by Human Rights Watch, a handful of latrines were being shared by several thousand displaced Rohingya.

“The government seems untroubled by the dire humanitarian conditions in the camps in Arakan State but it will be responsible for the lives unnecessarily lost,” Robertson said. “Concerned donor governments should be demanding that the Burmese government produce an action plan to resolve the crisis because continued inaction will only make the crisis worse.”
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cinnamon privilege.
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noddy wrote:cinnamon privilege.
The upper-class Burmese are almost a taupe.

As Lord Buddha (absolutely never) said: "kill all those people who are darker than you to reach Enlightenment."
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Ibrahim wrote:
noddy wrote:cinnamon privilege.
The upper-class Burmese are almost a taupe.

As Lord Buddha (absolutely never) said: "kill all those people who are darker than you to reach Enlightenment."
The cinnamons and taupes have hated each other for millenia....... not as much as the tapiocas hate the custards, but still, a lot.......
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Ibrahim wrote:
noddy wrote:cinnamon privilege.
The upper-class Burmese are almost a taupe.

As Lord Buddha (absolutely never) said: "kill all those people who are darker than you to reach Enlightenment."
Thank You Very Much for your post, Ibrahim.

The historical Buddha, Siddhartha/Sakyamuni is reputed to have said "Work out your enlightenment with diligence.......

That can be a bit difficult to do if invading Muslims are killing monks and nuns as happened in Afghanistan long ago and elsewhere to this day.......

Likewise if Muslims rise to political dominance and institute their worse than the Mafia protection racket: get beaten up even if you pay up on time......

Which isn't even supposed to be offered to pagans like Buddhists.........

Even some originally pacifistic Hindus get VERY SIKH ;) :twisted: :lol: 8-) of Muslim control freak marauders.......

Monks and Nuns are not supposed to resort to violence which impedes progress and can have karmic consequences........

But avoiding Muslims one way or another is a pretty good idea for Buddhists.......

Maybe Orion is a good idea for Buddhists....
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Simple Minded wrote:
Ibrahim wrote:
noddy wrote:cinnamon privilege.
The upper-class Burmese are almost a taupe.

As Lord Buddha (absolutely never) said: "kill all those people who are darker than you to reach Enlightenment."
The cinnamons and taupes have hated each other for millenia....... not as much as the tapiocas hate the custards, but still, a lot.......
Thank you Very Much for your post, Simple Minded.
not as much as the tapiocas hate the custards
My understanding is that the Indians and the Custards ;) had a big beef with each other at Custard's Last Stand ;) .........

In the Black Hills of South Dakota......

When the Ice Cream melted ;) ..........

Where a Sitting Bull had the Gall to ride a Crazy Horse while tooting his Little Big Horn....... ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_ ... le_Bighorn
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monster_gardener wrote:
Simple Minded wrote:
Ibrahim wrote:
noddy wrote:cinnamon privilege.
The upper-class Burmese are almost a taupe.

As Lord Buddha (absolutely never) said: "kill all those people who are darker than you to reach Enlightenment."
The cinnamons and taupes have hated each other for millenia....... not as much as the tapiocas hate the custards, but still, a lot.......
Thank you Very Much for your post, Simple Minded.
not as much as the tapiocas hate the custards
My understanding is that the Indians and the Custards ;) had a big beef with each other at Custard's Last Stand ;) .........

In the Black Hills of South Dakota......

When the Ice Cream melted ;) ..........

While a Sitting Bull rode a Crazy Horse....... ;)
The battle of the little big horn was about a gay relationship? :shock: :D
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Doc wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:
Simple Minded wrote:
Ibrahim wrote:
noddy wrote:cinnamon privilege.
The upper-class Burmese are almost a taupe.

As Lord Buddha (absolutely never) said: "kill all those people who are darker than you to reach Enlightenment."
The cinnamons and taupes have hated each other for millenia....... not as much as the tapiocas hate the custards, but still, a lot.......
Thank you Very Much for your post, Simple Minded.
not as much as the tapiocas hate the custards
My understanding is that the Indians and the Custards ;) had a big beef with each other at Custard's Last Stand ;) .........

In the Black Hills of South Dakota......

When the Ice Cream melted ;) ..........

While a Sitting Bull rode a Crazy Horse....... ;)
The battle of the little big horn was about a gay relationship? :shock: :D
Thank You VERY Much for your reply, Doc.

Don't know for sure* but Sitting Bull was a shaman and AIUI shamans are often said to be "sexually ambiguous" ....... Maybe even a Little amBigHornius ;) in this case...

Could also have been a "Family Affair" ;) .........

Have read that Custer had at least one Native American Indian wife which was why his body was not mutilated after the battle as were those of other soldiers........

Except that his widow(s) used a needle to puncture his inner ear so that he would hear better in the afterlife....... ;)

*The Mad Magazine parody of "Little Big Man" had a gay ending........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Big ... lm%29#Plot
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(supposedly) Human rights heroine Aung San Suu Kyi, remains curiously silent. .. :)


Her silence amid the ongoing and systematic violence against the minority Rohingya and other Muslims has so far been deafening


Interesting article



BTW : EU lifts Myanmar sanctions




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The US is also rapidly increasing its intelligence gathering capabilities in Myanmar. The US embassy in the old capital Yangon is now believed to have more intelligence operatives than any other diplomatic mission in Southeast Asia.

Not surprisingly, Beijing is not looking kindly at these developments. In addition to political maneuvering aimed at pressuring the government in Naypyidaw, China has taken some provocative steps to thwart Western influence in Myanmar.

Last year, Chinese arms dealers supplied the United Wa State Army (UWSA), a militia operating along the Sino-Myanmar border, with not only assault rifles, machine-guns, rocket launchers and the HN-5 series man-portable air defense systems, or MANPADS, but also PTL-02 6x6 wheeled "tank destroyers" and another armored combat vehicle identified as Chinese 4x4 ZFB-05s. Now, Jane's Defence Weekly reports in its April 29 issue that China has supplied the UWSA with several Mi-17 medium-transport helicopters armed with TY-90 air-to-air missiles.

"The provision of a range of new weapons systems - surface-to-air missiles, armored vehicles and now helicopters - appears effectively to be turning the UWSA into a cross-border extension of the PLA," one of the authors of the article, Anthony Davis of IHS Jane's, told Asia Times Online, referring to the Chinese People's Liberation Army. "Even in the context of China's large-scale military support for the Communist Party of Burma in the late 1960s and 1970s, what is happening today is unprecedented."

All of this comes in the wake of a remarkable thaw in relations between Washington and Naypyidaw. Just a couple of years ago, Myanmar was an international pariah, shunned by the West for its abysmal human rights record and subjected to economic and diplomatic sanctions imposed by the US and the European Union. Myanmar's only really close ally during this period of isolation was China. Myanmar's dependence on Beijing was so great that the country was sometimes described as a Chinese client state.

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What an durian these Burma generals .. they did not learn their lesson from Cambodia disaster .. China and US will fight by proxy on Burma soil .. in the process, Burma will be f*cked



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Myanmar’s 2-child limit for Muslims


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. . plans by authorities in western Myanmar to revive a two-child limit on Muslim Rohingya families, a policy that does not apply to Buddhists and comes amid accusations of ethnic cleansing.

Over the weekend, authorities in strife-torn Rakhine state said they were restoring a measure imposed during past military rule that banned Rohingya families from having more than two children.

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How come, America always in bed with the bad guys ?




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http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/i ... P520130528
Muslims and Buddhists clash in northern Myanmar
YANGON (Reuters) - Muslims and Buddhists clashed in Myanmar's northern city of Lashio on Tuesday, witnesses said, as a wave of sectarian violence reached a mountainous region near China's border.

Phone lines were down in the city of about 131,000 people and the extent of the violence was unclear. Witnesses reported several large fires and said a mosque and Buddhist monastery appear to have been torched.

The violence followed unrest between Muslims and Buddhists in other parts of Myanmar over the past year, including fighting in the central city of Meikhtila in March that killed at least 44 people, mostly Muslims, and razed several Muslim neighborhoods. About 12,000 people lost their homes.

Lashio, capital of Shan State, had been spared from the religious unrest. Known for its strong Chinese influence, it is about 190 km (120 miles) from Muse, a city on China's border.

Hajji Aung Lwin, a Muslim man from a village on the outskirts of Lashio, said the fighting appeared to have begun after a violent quarrel between a Muslim man and a Buddhist woman who worked at a petrol station.

Several residents said the man doused the woman in fuel and set her on fire. After police detained the man, local Buddhists surrounded the police station and demanded he be handed over, said Aung.

When they refused, the crowd rampaged, setting nearby motorbikes on fire and attacking Myoma Mosque, near Lashio market, residents said. One witness reported seeing flames in the city and a large building on fire.

The government imposed an emergency law known as Section 144 that bans public gatherings, marches and speeches, residents said.

Sectarian clashes between Buddhists and Muslims, who make up about 5 percent of the population in the Buddhist-majority country, have erupted several times since a quasi-civilian government took power in March 2011 after five decades of military dictatorship.

The most serious attacks took place in Rakhine State in the west in June and October last year, when Buddhists fought against Rohingya Muslims, who are denied citizenship by Myanmar and seen by many in the country as illegal immigrants from Bangladesh. At least 192 people were killed.

(Reporting by Aung Hla Tun and Jared Ferrie; Writing by Jason Szep; Editing by Pravin Char and Mike Collett-White)
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Heracleum Persicum wrote:.



Myanmar’s 2-child limit for Muslims


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. . plans by authorities in western Myanmar to revive a two-child limit on Muslim Rohingya families, a policy that does not apply to Buddhists and comes amid accusations of ethnic cleansing.

Over the weekend, authorities in strife-torn Rakhine state said they were restoring a measure imposed during past military rule that banned Rohingya families from having more than two children.

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How come, America always in bed with the bad guys ?




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Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari.
Myanmar’s 2-child limit for Muslims

For some strange reason, this reminds me of Muslim Mullah Krekar's boast that the Muslim immigrants in Europe were out-breeding the Europeans and would soon be the ones telling the Europeans what to do and changing them/their society.*

Does anyone wonder why the Burmese might want to prevent something like that?

I don't.

How many Buddhists are there in once Buddhist Afghanistan?

Suggest that Muslims in Burma move to Muslim Bangla Desh or Scandanavia where Mullah Krekar can greet them.

Also suggest that Christians get out of Syria if the Muslim Brotherhood & other Jihadis ;) :evil: oops I mean Rebels win......

*I have already posted the link for Mullar Krekar on this multiple times.....
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Didn't read the latest post, but presumably violent racist monster_gardener continues to support the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Muslims in Burma, as he did earlier in the thread. If monster_gardener is allowed to advocate violent ethnic-cleansing on this forum (technically criminal in most jurisdictions) then please un-ban Milo.
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i thought it was a choice between the chinese backed junta making life crapper for everyone including muslims versus the burmese local government making life crapper just for muslims.

not really sure how you could say one was superior azari - seems more of a turds versus vomit situation to me.
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noddy wrote:i thought it was a choice between the chinese backed junta making life crapper for everyone including muslims versus the burmese local government making life crapper just for muslims.
You're forgetting the option that m_g advocates: violent ethnic cleansing.
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Ibrahim wrote:
noddy wrote:i thought it was a choice between the chinese backed junta making life crapper for everyone including muslims versus the burmese local government making life crapper just for muslims.
You're forgetting the option that m_g advocates: violent ethnic cleansing.
mg is mg. azari is azari.

i cant find any linkage at all between the current government and the mistreatment of muslims in burma - absolutely no difference against the previous chinese backed junta.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecutio ... s_in_Burma is as good an overview as any - its been a constant for a long time now.
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noddy wrote: its been a constant for a long time now.
Not necessarily opposed to that view, but the difference is between going "that's too bad" and "right on." Pro-genocide individuals aside it does put a bit of a damper on the Aung San Suu Kyi coming out party.
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Ibrahim wrote:
noddy wrote: its been a constant for a long time now.
Not necessarily opposed to that view, but the difference is between going "that's too bad" and "right on." Pro-genocide individuals aside it does put a bit of a damper on the Aung San Suu Kyi coming out party.
for sure, i was reacting to How come, America always in bed with the bad guys ? and curious about what the good option was when it came to minority treatment in burma.

as for the fact that aung san put a dampner on the peurile "democracy == freedom and rights for all" narrative is of no surprise to me - im in that loony camp that doesnt like government power as a solution to community failings as a general rule.

sometimes the magority choice is an ugly thing - the argument is what can a government do about it and what stops that government from being equally ugly.

at some point you just need to deal with the fact humans are quite often nasty creatures and as an individual muslim in burma my main concern would be getting somewhere else.
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Ibrahim wrote:Didn't read the latest post, but presumably violent racist monster_gardener continues to support the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Muslims in Burma, as he did earlier in the thread. If monster_gardener is allowed to advocate violent ethnic-cleansing on this forum (technically criminal in most jurisdictions) then please un-ban Milo.
Thanks for the post, iBS.

As usual, iBS: again complaining about something you did not see. :roll:

Try calling 911 ;) :twisted: and see what they think of that. No, actually don't do that...... IIRC it could get you in trouble with the law but you should know that given that you claim to be a litigation trickster ;-) oops I mean lawyer :twisted: .........

I advocate that non-Muslim countries not let Muslims, especially immigrants, get into a position to dominate them as Muslim Mullah Krekar boasts will happen in Europe.

And that Muslims and Christians and others leave dangerous nations where they are not wanted and subjected to vilolence......**

By the way, iBS. I noticed that you did NOT condemn the Muslim man burning the Buddhist woman :shock: :roll:

Maybe because you seem to condone violence, in this case even ethnic cleansing :evil: , when Muslims do it just as when you tried to justify the Woolwich attack in London because the Jihadi Muslim perps said they did if for revenge.
please un-ban Milo.
Seconded.

Or at least let Milo know that iBS wants a date ;) :twisted: :lol: .


**Pakistan is another good place not to be for Christians, Shia Muslims etc..........
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