India

AzariLoveIran

India

Post by AzariLoveIran »

.


Seems Mr. Hindustani has balls :D .. unlike Mr. Kamal Pasha :)


" This tone and tenor is unacceptable. Any move by the US to impose sanctions against any Indian financial institution or bank dealing with Iran will adversely impact Indo-US bilateral ties. This will alter the public perception in India towards the US, "

.
US sanctions censure dealing with the Central Bank of Iran and any other designated financial institution in Iran.

But India has other mechanisms for oil payments to Iran. "Therefore such US sanctions do not apply in a blanket fashion," another official said.
.

Mr. Hindustani real pissed off :)

America, 11,000 miles away, sayin, India & Iran, 2 neighbors, should not trade together :lol:


India trade mission to Iran "very successful"

.
NEW DELHI: A major Indian trade delegation to Iran to explore export opportunities created by US-led sanctions against the Islamic republic was a big success, a leader of the mission has said.

The 80-member delegation spent five days in the Persian Gulf nation last week in a bid to boost Indian exports as a way of paying the country's huge oil bill to Iran.

"The visit was very good and very successful," said Rafeeque Ahmed, president of the government-backed Federation of Indian Export Organisations, which spearheaded the mission.

"We saw a lot of interest from the Iranians in buying Indian goods," Ahmed told AFP late on Saturday. "We talked about the excellent opportunities in food grains, food processing, pharmaceuticals, auto parts and other areas."

India has been walking a diplomatic tightrope as it seeks to drum up more exports orders from Iran while managing its growing relations with the United States and keeping ties on an even keel with Israel, a top arms supplier.

Fuel-scarce India buys around $11 billion worth of oil from Iran a year -- its second-largest crude supplier after Saudi Arabia -- but sells Tehran just $2.7 billion in goods.

The trade mission, headed by Indian Joint Commerce Secretary Arvind Mehta, came as the intensifying sanctions campaign dries up dollar and euro payment routes that India has been using to pay for Iranian oil imports.

India and Iran have worked out a deal under which New Delhi will seek to pay for close to half of its Iranian oil imports in rupees.

The rupee payments will be used by Iran to purchase Indian goods and the countries plan to reach a bilateral trade target of $25 billion within the next four years.

On Friday, India announced tax changes to facilitate greater trade with Iran, citing "national interest".

US lawmakers and pro-Israel groups have accused New Delhi of undermining efforts to isolate Tehran and force it to abandon its nuclear programme.

The United States and its allies say the programme is aimed at making an atomic bomb but Iran says it is for civilian energy.

A bomb attack that severely injured an Israeli diplomat in New Delhi last month has further complicated matters.

Israel accuses Iran of masterminding the attack, which Tehran has denied. Indian police have issued arrest warrants for Iranian nationals but New Delhi has assigned no blame for the bombing.

India says it will abide only by UN sanctions and will not implement others imposed unilaterally by the United States and European Union.

Indian officials insist recent events should not overshadow its "rich civilisational" ties with Iran, seen by New Delhi as an important counterweight to arch-rival Pakistan in the troubled region.

India, which has one of the world's largest Muslim populations, is also uneasy about joining a US-led drive against the Islamic republic that could have domestic political repercussions, analysts say.

New Delhi has said Western accusations that it is playing sanctions spoiler "overlook the imperative" of its dependence on Iranian oil imports.
.
come on folks, come on

Like Iran saying America should stop trading with Mexico :lol:

Iran trades with Hindustan since American continent was under mile high Ice .. Ice-Age :)


.
User avatar
Carbizene
Posts: 450
Joined: Thu Dec 22, 2011 4:41 am

Re: The India thread

Post by Carbizene »

To me this is more evidence of a pan-Asia alliance forming when peole finally get sick of Amerrica telling them what to do.
User avatar
monster_gardener
Posts: 5334
Joined: Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:36 am
Location: Trolla. Land of upside down trees and tomatos........

Ice Age could happen again......... Nuclear Winter.......

Post by monster_gardener »

AzariLoveIran wrote:.


Seems Mr. Hindustani has balls :D .. unlike Mr. Kamal Pasha :)


" This tone and tenor is unacceptable. Any move by the US to impose sanctions against any Indian financial institution or bank dealing with Iran will adversely impact Indo-US bilateral ties. This will alter the public perception in India towards the US, "

.
US sanctions censure dealing with the Central Bank of Iran and any other designated financial institution in Iran.

But India has other mechanisms for oil payments to Iran. "Therefore such US sanctions do not apply in a blanket fashion," another official said.
.

Mr. Hindustani real pissed off :)

America, 11,000 miles away, sayin, India & Iran, 2 neighbors, should not trade together :lol:


India trade mission to Iran "very successful"

.
NEW DELHI: A major Indian trade delegation to Iran to explore export opportunities created by US-led sanctions against the Islamic republic was a big success, a leader of the mission has said.

The 80-member delegation spent five days in the Persian Gulf nation last week in a bid to boost Indian exports as a way of paying the country's huge oil bill to Iran.

"The visit was very good and very successful," said Rafeeque Ahmed, president of the government-backed Federation of Indian Export Organisations, which spearheaded the mission.

"We saw a lot of interest from the Iranians in buying Indian goods," Ahmed told AFP late on Saturday. "We talked about the excellent opportunities in food grains, food processing, pharmaceuticals, auto parts and other areas."

India has been walking a diplomatic tightrope as it seeks to drum up more exports orders from Iran while managing its growing relations with the United States and keeping ties on an even keel with Israel, a top arms supplier.

Fuel-scarce India buys around $11 billion worth of oil from Iran a year -- its second-largest crude supplier after Saudi Arabia -- but sells Tehran just $2.7 billion in goods.

The trade mission, headed by Indian Joint Commerce Secretary Arvind Mehta, came as the intensifying sanctions campaign dries up dollar and euro payment routes that India has been using to pay for Iranian oil imports.

India and Iran have worked out a deal under which New Delhi will seek to pay for close to half of its Iranian oil imports in rupees.

The rupee payments will be used by Iran to purchase Indian goods and the countries plan to reach a bilateral trade target of $25 billion within the next four years.

On Friday, India announced tax changes to facilitate greater trade with Iran, citing "national interest".

US lawmakers and pro-Israel groups have accused New Delhi of undermining efforts to isolate Tehran and force it to abandon its nuclear programme.

The United States and its allies say the programme is aimed at making an atomic bomb but Iran says it is for civilian energy.

A bomb attack that severely injured an Israeli diplomat in New Delhi last month has further complicated matters.

Israel accuses Iran of masterminding the attack, which Tehran has denied. Indian police have issued arrest warrants for Iranian nationals but New Delhi has assigned no blame for the bombing.

India says it will abide only by UN sanctions and will not implement others imposed unilaterally by the United States and European Union.

Indian officials insist recent events should not overshadow its "rich civilisational" ties with Iran, seen by New Delhi as an important counterweight to arch-rival Pakistan in the troubled region.

India, which has one of the world's largest Muslim populations, is also uneasy about joining a US-led drive against the Islamic republic that could have domestic political repercussions, analysts say.

New Delhi has said Western accusations that it is playing sanctions spoiler "overlook the imperative" of its dependence on Iranian oil imports.
.
come on folks, come on

Like Iran saying America should stop trading with Mexico :lol:

Iran trades with Hindustan since American continent was under mile high Ice .. Ice-Age :)


.
Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari.......

Could happen again..........

Nuclear Winter......... :(
For the love of G_d, consider you & I may be mistaken.
Orion Must Rise: Killer Space Rocks Coming Our way
The Best Laid Plans of Men, Monkeys & Pigs Oft Go Awry
Woe to those who long for the Day of the Lord, for It is Darkness, Not Light
AzariLoveIran

Re: Ice Age could happen again......... Nuclear Winter......

Post by AzariLoveIran »

monster_gardener wrote:
AzariLoveIran wrote:.


Seems Mr. Hindustani has balls :D .. unlike Mr. Kamal Pasha :)


" This tone and tenor is unacceptable. Any move by the US to impose sanctions against any Indian financial institution or bank dealing with Iran will adversely impact Indo-US bilateral ties. This will alter the public perception in India towards the US, "

.
US sanctions censure dealing with the Central Bank of Iran and any other designated financial institution in Iran.

But India has other mechanisms for oil payments to Iran. "Therefore such US sanctions do not apply in a blanket fashion," another official said.
.

Mr. Hindustani real pissed off :)

America, 11,000 miles away, sayin, India & Iran, 2 neighbors, should not trade together :lol:


India trade mission to Iran "very successful"

.
NEW DELHI: A major Indian trade delegation to Iran to explore export opportunities created by US-led sanctions against the Islamic republic was a big success, a leader of the mission has said.

The 80-member delegation spent five days in the Persian Gulf nation last week in a bid to boost Indian exports as a way of paying the country's huge oil bill to Iran.

"The visit was very good and very successful," said Rafeeque Ahmed, president of the government-backed Federation of Indian Export Organisations, which spearheaded the mission.

"We saw a lot of interest from the Iranians in buying Indian goods," Ahmed told AFP late on Saturday. "We talked about the excellent opportunities in food grains, food processing, pharmaceuticals, auto parts and other areas."

India has been walking a diplomatic tightrope as it seeks to drum up more exports orders from Iran while managing its growing relations with the United States and keeping ties on an even keel with Israel, a top arms supplier.

Fuel-scarce India buys around $11 billion worth of oil from Iran a year -- its second-largest crude supplier after Saudi Arabia -- but sells Tehran just $2.7 billion in goods.

The trade mission, headed by Indian Joint Commerce Secretary Arvind Mehta, came as the intensifying sanctions campaign dries up dollar and euro payment routes that India has been using to pay for Iranian oil imports.

India and Iran have worked out a deal under which New Delhi will seek to pay for close to half of its Iranian oil imports in rupees.

The rupee payments will be used by Iran to purchase Indian goods and the countries plan to reach a bilateral trade target of $25 billion within the next four years.

On Friday, India announced tax changes to facilitate greater trade with Iran, citing "national interest".

US lawmakers and pro-Israel groups have accused New Delhi of undermining efforts to isolate Tehran and force it to abandon its nuclear programme.

The United States and its allies say the programme is aimed at making an atomic bomb but Iran says it is for civilian energy.

A bomb attack that severely injured an Israeli diplomat in New Delhi last month has further complicated matters.

Israel accuses Iran of masterminding the attack, which Tehran has denied. Indian police have issued arrest warrants for Iranian nationals but New Delhi has assigned no blame for the bombing.

India says it will abide only by UN sanctions and will not implement others imposed unilaterally by the United States and European Union.

Indian officials insist recent events should not overshadow its "rich civilisational" ties with Iran, seen by New Delhi as an important counterweight to arch-rival Pakistan in the troubled region.

India, which has one of the world's largest Muslim populations, is also uneasy about joining a US-led drive against the Islamic republic that could have domestic political repercussions, analysts say.

New Delhi has said Western accusations that it is playing sanctions spoiler "overlook the imperative" of its dependence on Iranian oil imports.
.
come on folks, come on

Like Iran saying America should stop trading with Mexico :lol:

Iran trades with Hindustan since American continent was under mile high Ice .. Ice-Age :)


.
Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari.......

Could happen again..........

Nuclear Winter ......... :(


.

Monster

to untrained eye, it seems war is between Ahmadinejat and Rumsfeld

but ain't so

War is between West and China/Russia/India

Again

as the last 2 European wars (falsely named WW)

war is for natural resource


Last 2 World Wars, between European beasts, Germans and Brits (and later America and Japan), how many people died in where the natural resources were, in Arabia or Persia or Africa or Indochina ? ?

not many

dead were European and Russian and American and Japanese

1st World War was not war between Serbia and Austria-Hungary for assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand .

1st world war was between Brits, Germans, Russians, Turks

Though for untrained eye it looked like Germany and French were fighting for this and that .. but,

reality was Brits had conspired to genuflect Ottoman empire and take over Arabia

French were a nobody, still are nobody

so

Monster

Nuclear winter, coming Ice-Age, will not be in ME .. it will be in West and China and India

why drop a nuclear bomb on Middle Eastern oil fields when you need that Oil ? ? ? :lol:

in that sense, maybe the safest place 2B when that thing hits the fan is next to Oil field

Notion, India now in western camp, misleading

Indians no Idiots

Why should India forgo their share of world resources , oil , gas, copper and and and ? ?

India in same situation as China ..

India and China want their fair share of resources

meaning ,

you gotto cut back .. very much back .. to the bone



.
User avatar
monster_gardener
Posts: 5334
Joined: Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:36 am
Location: Trolla. Land of upside down trees and tomatos........

India = Israel....... Need to increase World's Wealth..

Post by monster_gardener »

AzariLoveIran wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:
AzariLoveIran wrote:.


Seems Mr. Hindustani has balls :D .. unlike Mr. Kamal Pasha :)


" This tone and tenor is unacceptable. Any move by the US to impose sanctions against any Indian financial institution or bank dealing with Iran will adversely impact Indo-US bilateral ties. This will alter the public perception in India towards the US, "

.
US sanctions censure dealing with the Central Bank of Iran and any other designated financial institution in Iran.

But India has other mechanisms for oil payments to Iran. "Therefore such US sanctions do not apply in a blanket fashion," another official said.
.

Mr. Hindustani real pissed off :)

America, 11,000 miles away, sayin, India & Iran, 2 neighbors, should not trade together :lol:


India trade mission to Iran "very successful"

.
NEW DELHI: A major Indian trade delegation to Iran to explore export opportunities created by US-led sanctions against the Islamic republic was a big success, a leader of the mission has said.

The 80-member delegation spent five days in the Persian Gulf nation last week in a bid to boost Indian exports as a way of paying the country's huge oil bill to Iran.

"The visit was very good and very successful," said Rafeeque Ahmed, president of the government-backed Federation of Indian Export Organisations, which spearheaded the mission.

"We saw a lot of interest from the Iranians in buying Indian goods," Ahmed told AFP late on Saturday. "We talked about the excellent opportunities in food grains, food processing, pharmaceuticals, auto parts and other areas."

India has been walking a diplomatic tightrope as it seeks to drum up more exports orders from Iran while managing its growing relations with the United States and keeping ties on an even keel with Israel, a top arms supplier.

Fuel-scarce India buys around $11 billion worth of oil from Iran a year -- its second-largest crude supplier after Saudi Arabia -- but sells Tehran just $2.7 billion in goods.

The trade mission, headed by Indian Joint Commerce Secretary Arvind Mehta, came as the intensifying sanctions campaign dries up dollar and euro payment routes that India has been using to pay for Iranian oil imports.

India and Iran have worked out a deal under which New Delhi will seek to pay for close to half of its Iranian oil imports in rupees.

The rupee payments will be used by Iran to purchase Indian goods and the countries plan to reach a bilateral trade target of $25 billion within the next four years.

On Friday, India announced tax changes to facilitate greater trade with Iran, citing "national interest".

US lawmakers and pro-Israel groups have accused New Delhi of undermining efforts to isolate Tehran and force it to abandon its nuclear programme.

The United States and its allies say the programme is aimed at making an atomic bomb but Iran says it is for civilian energy.

A bomb attack that severely injured an Israeli diplomat in New Delhi last month has further complicated matters.

Israel accuses Iran of masterminding the attack, which Tehran has denied. Indian police have issued arrest warrants for Iranian nationals but New Delhi has assigned no blame for the bombing.

India says it will abide only by UN sanctions and will not implement others imposed unilaterally by the United States and European Union.

Indian officials insist recent events should not overshadow its "rich civilisational" ties with Iran, seen by New Delhi as an important counterweight to arch-rival Pakistan in the troubled region.

India, which has one of the world's largest Muslim populations, is also uneasy about joining a US-led drive against the Islamic republic that could have domestic political repercussions, analysts say.

New Delhi has said Western accusations that it is playing sanctions spoiler "overlook the imperative" of its dependence on Iranian oil imports.
.
come on folks, come on

Like Iran saying America should stop trading with Mexico :lol:

Iran trades with Hindustan since American continent was under mile high Ice .. Ice-Age :)


.
Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari.......

Could happen again..........

Nuclear Winter ......... :(


.

Monster

to untrained eye, it seems war is between Ahmadinejat and Rumsfeld

but ain't so

War is between West and China/Russia/India

Again

as the last 2 European wars (falsely named WW)

war is for natural resource


Last 2 World Wars, between European beasts, Germans and Brits (and later America and Japan), how many people died in where the natural resources were, in Arabia or Persia or Africa or Indochina ? ?

not many

dead were European and Russian and American and Japanese

1st World War was not war between Serbia and Austria-Hungary for assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand .

1st world war was between Brits, Germans, Russians, Turks

Though for untrained eye it looked like Germany and French were fighting for this and that .. but,

reality was Brits had conspired to genuflect Ottoman empire and take over Arabia

French were a nobody, still are nobody

so

Monster

Nuclear winter, coming Ice-Age, will not be in ME .. it will be in West and China and India

why drop a nuclear bomb on Middle Eastern oil fields when you need that Oil ? ? ? :lol:

in that sense, maybe the safest place 2B when that thing hits the fan is next to Oil field

Notion, India now in western camp, misleading

Indians no Idiots

Why should India forgo their share of world resources , oil , gas, copper and and and ? ?

India in same situation as China ..

India and China want their fair share of resources

meaning ,

you gotto cut back .. very much back .. to the bone

.
Thank you Very Much for your post, Azari.....

Nuclear winter, coming Ice-Age, will not be in ME .. it will be in West and China and India
If humanity is lucky nuclear winter will be confined to the Northern Hemisphere..........

why drop a nuclear bomb on Middle Eastern oil fields when you need that Oil ? ? ? :lol:

in that sense, maybe the safest place 2B when that thing hits the fan is next to Oil field
IMVHO, not so much..........

Gold 198 has a half life of about 2.7 days.......... Recall reading that 10 half life cycles can reduce radioactive waste to an acceptable level........

For Gold 198 that could mean about 1 month could be about enough time.......... :shock:

Might have to repeat so could be longer but nothing excessive........


Sodium 24 has a half life of 15 hours...............

India and China want their fair share of resources
Am reminded of what I frequently hear children being told........

Life is NOT fair........

But in the interest of fair play.......

If the Chinese want that copper mine in Afghanistan, let them guard it themselves.......

I'm not interested in guarding it for them........... Not even if paid.........

If the Chinese work it and guard it/pay off the Tallywackers if they can....... It's fair that they should have the copper.......


Notion, India now in western camp, misleading
India in pretty much same camp as West & other infidels or worse vs. Muslims with nukes...........

India in situation VERY similar to what Israel fears will happen with Iran ...... Muslim country with nukes that hates them for being infidels and thinks they stole land from Muslims....... Muslim country that dreams of 'raining fire on them' .......... Muslim country that even have painting of Burning in the Pakistani Presidential Palace in IslamIsBad :wink: oops I mean IslamABad oops I mean Islamabad.......Pak Rat :twisted: Ali Bhutto smiling as nuke rocket launches toward New Delhi..........

you gotto cut back .. very much back .. to the bone
No......... IMVHO that's a way to ruin........

Sort of like cutting back when fired and wearing threadbare clothes to job interview....

Need to invest in Orion Rocket or similar...........

Need to increase World/Humanity's wealth........

People most likely to revolt when have wealth/freedom and some one try to take away......

Use deadly nukes as rocket fuel to bring wealth to humans or humans to wealth......... Moon, Asteroids, Mercury, Mars......... Stars.....

Not sure what can do with Venus..........
For the love of G_d, consider you & I may be mistaken.
Orion Must Rise: Killer Space Rocks Coming Our way
The Best Laid Plans of Men, Monkeys & Pigs Oft Go Awry
Woe to those who long for the Day of the Lord, for It is Darkness, Not Light
AzariLoveIran

India

Post by AzariLoveIran »

.


Indian beef exports are set to rise to 1.525m tonnes this year, up from 609m tonnes in 2009, outstripping Australia, which is expected to ship 1.425m tonnes in 2012 and Brazil, with 1.35m, according to US Department of Agriculture figures.


.

The huge rise in volume of water buffalo beef exports has led to concerns in India that some cow meat is also being exported. Cows are considered holy by India’s Hindu majority and their slaughter is punishable by jail in some states.

“India is forecast to become the world’s leading beef exporter in 2012 due to an expanding dairy herd, efficiency improvements, increased slaughter and price-competitiveness in the international market particularly vis a vis Brazil,” the USDA said in a report.

While consumption of beef is static or declining in many developed economies in line with shrinking herds, demand for bovine meat – including cattle and buffalo – is increasing in Asia, the Middle East and South America.

Global demand is forecast to rise 24 per cent by 2020 from 64.5m tonnes in 2011, according to Meat & Livestock Australia, an industry lobby group.

“India is really filling an important void in the market,” says David Nelson, global strategist at Rabobank, a leading agribusiness lender. “The big picture is that beef production is under pressure virtually everywhere [else] in the world as land that has been in beef pasture is finding a higher and better use.”

India has nearly tripled its shipments overseas of buffalo meat in recent years. There are more than 4,000 municipal slaughter houses and 30 state-of-the-art abattoirs.

.


.
User avatar
Typhoon
Posts: 27242
Joined: Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:42 pm
Location: 関西

Re: India

Post by Typhoon »

Thanks for adding this thread.

Overlooking 1.2 billion people in a rapidly advancing country is no small oversight.
May the gods preserve and defend me from self-righteous altruists; I can defend myself from my enemies and my friends.
AzariLoveIran

Re: India

Post by AzariLoveIran »

Typhoon wrote:.

Thanks for adding this thread.

Overlooking 1.2 billion people in a rapidly advancing country is no small oversight.

.


India's ties with Iran range from the sentimental to realpolitik. For some in the Indian policy elite, ties with Iran demonstrate that New Delhi is not a minion of the United States. By repeating a message of close historical and civilizational ties between India and Iran, this group effectively pushes a line that is make-believe and not an argument rooted in hard facts.

.

Most importantly, India and Iran also share a similar vision for the future of Afghanistan: a desire to prevent the fundamentalist Sunni Taliban to ever again rule in Kabul. In fact, as the US military prepares to leave Afghanistan by 2014, it is very plausible that Iran and India will once again augment their joint efforts as they did in the 1990s to boost the prospects of their Afghan allies among the Tajik and Shia Hazara of Afghanistan. Iran's role is not just one of a geographic conduit for Indian influence into Afghanistan, but rests on the fact that Tehran retains a distinct ability to mobilize the non-Pashtun anti-Taliban forces in that country.

.


Look, Colonel

in 500 yrs

India and Iran still be where they now .. neighbor and friend .. Ancient neighbors

where will be America in 500 yrs ? ?

so

America must be on pot thinking they can push India against Iran



.
AzariLoveIran

Re: India

Post by AzariLoveIran »

.


India clears rupee for Iranian oil

.

Indian government would start payment transaction into rupee account over the next few days, which Iran will use to buy products such as agricultural supplies and medicine from New Delhi. India’s bharat petroleum corporation has made its first oil payment to Iran in Rupees becoming the first refinery to use the new payment mechanism.

On June 12 India was granted a waiver by the US for reducing oil imports from Iran to about 9% of its total oil imports from 12% last year. With this new payment mechanism oil imports from Iran would be normal however quantity will be reduced but there would be exemption of taxes on payments to Iran according to finance ministry statement, the shipment will have also have an insurance cover a move refiners had awaited before starting to make payments into the account.

.

Iranian Oil payments will not be in Dollars anymore


.
Crocus sativus

India

Post by Crocus sativus »

.

“We have imposed a ban on jeans and T-shirts because these are completely westernised and banned short dresses,”

“A ban on wearing jeans and T-shirts doesn’t mean that there will be no crimes and boys will not pass lewd comments on you,” a college student is quoted by AFP as saying. “Men who want to eve-tease can do it if a girl wore Indian clothes also. I don’t think dressing in Indian attire will bring a change,” she added.

India, Bangladesh and Pakistan use the term “eve-teasing” referring to a variety of offences from verbal insults to much more serious things such as sexual assault.

makes sense, Kamasutra best with Sari :lol:


.
User avatar
YMix
Posts: 4631
Joined: Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:53 am
Location: Department of Congruity - Report any outliers here

Re: The India thread

Post by YMix »

The three India threads by Crocus Loves Prunus have been merged into one.
“There are a lot of killers. We’ve got a lot of killers. What, do you think our country’s so innocent? Take a look at what we’ve done, too.” - Donald J. Trump, President of the USA
The Kushner sh*t is greasy - Stevie B.
User avatar
Typhoon
Posts: 27242
Joined: Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:42 pm
Location: 関西

Re: The India thread

Post by Typhoon »

chindit13 - Fri, Dec 28, 2012 - 09:23 PM

A young woman who was brutally raped a week ago in New Delhi has passed away from her injuries in Singapore.

Putting aside for a moment the human tragedy, this has significant implications for Indian society and for the sitting government.

Background: The young woman and her boyfriend were trying to return home after seeing a movie. They boarded a public bus. The only other passengers on the bus were six young men. While the bus continued on its route, the five men beat the boyfriend senseless, then repeatedly raped the woman. Without going into the sordid details, among the injuries to her body was a perforated intestine. Once finished, the young men stripped both naked and threw them out of the bus.

This brutal crime brought to light the fact that in a city of 20 million, where thousands of rapes occur each year, 2011 saw a total of 1 (one) rape conviction. Police don't even investigate rape claims, and this is so widely known, most victims don't even bother to report the crime. Similarly, potential rapists know the odds are in their favor.

This brutal rape was the last straw. The public has risen up. For the last week periodic major demonstrations have happened in Delhi, against which the government mobilized massive crowd control forces. Protesters were beaten with clubs and tear gassed. Tens of thousands of demonstrators have assembled in major points in the city, including around India Gate (which is one end of the India equivalent of the Washington Mall).

The young victim fought courageously for her life, even demanding that authorities take all her statements and recollections during her periods of consciousness, but infection resulting from her perforated intestine racked her body. In a somewhat bizarre turn of events, the government (not the Indian medical establishment) decided to transfer the victim to hospital in Singapore, even though that hospital was not expert in intestinal injury. Some say the Indian Govt wanted to distance the narrative from the country, others remark that the move is a tacit admission that Indian medical care sucks.

Early Saturday morning (Delhi time) the woman passed away.

New Delhi is likely to see a massive show of government force today, as well as a massive display of public anger and frustration. One side or the other will rule the day. It is likely to be......tense.

Yesterday, perhaps in anticipation of the victim's demise, 30,000 troops were mobilized in Delhi. Many of these troops are from the countryside, are barely literate, and scared. That doesn't bode well for crowd control.

The public outrage initially centered around the horrific crime itself. It has morphed into something much more, now including general anger and frustration against government corruption, the caste system, pollution, cronyism, absurd real estate prices, mandated inefficency that leads to 35% of the country's food supply rotting before reaching market, general sexism, and useless police.

2013 might be referred to as "The Indian Spring".
May the gods preserve and defend me from self-righteous altruists; I can defend myself from my enemies and my friends.
User avatar
Heracleum Persicum
Posts: 11571
Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2012 7:38 pm

Re: India

Post by Heracleum Persicum »

.

A lot is said here and elsewhere about India, democracy, culture and civilization

what kind of culture, civilization would tolerate such kind of violence against woman ? ? systematic

Those vicious 1000s of yrs old traditions (often contributed to Islam (not defending Islam) by illiterate or evil minded commentators) are foundation of that 5000 yrs old civilization of that culture and people, India, Arabia (their whole world, religion, society) is built on those traditions.. that is why I said what I said re India and Arabia

Islam, Christianity, are relative new, in many instances, they tried to bring some civility and order to those
5000+ yrs old "low culture and civilizations" (again not defending Islam or Christianity)

India ain't what you think

.
User avatar
Hans Bulvai
Posts: 1056
Joined: Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:30 pm
Location: Underneath everything

Re: India

Post by Hans Bulvai »

Had to throw Arabia in there as if women anywhere are treated better. Again, what is the difference between a Saudi Arabian chadour and an Iranian one?

Not impressed. Disgusting at the least.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/de ... ape-victim
...Most rapes and other sex crimes in India go unreported and offenders are rarely punished, women's rights activists say. But the brutality of the assault on 16 December triggered public outrage and demands for better policing and harsher punishment for rapists....

...Many protesters have complained that Singh's government has done little to curb the abuse of women in the country of 1.2 billion. A global poll by Thomson Reuters Foundation in June found that India was the worst place to be a woman because of high rates of infanticide, child marriage and slavery....
I don't buy supremacy
Media chief
You menace me
The people you say
'Cause all the crime
Wake up motherfucker
And smell the slime
User avatar
Heracleum Persicum
Posts: 11571
Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2012 7:38 pm

Re: India

Post by Heracleum Persicum »

Hans Bulvai wrote:.

Had to throw Arabia in there as if women anywhere are treated better. Again, what is the difference between a Saudi Arabian chadour and an Iranian one ?

.


Difference between Saudi and Iranian woman civil rights, freedom and liberty is not the apparel .. or .. even the woman themselves

Difference is in the men .. Saudi and Iranian men

IMHO, when a man does not allow his wife or daughter or sister ride bike or drive a car or go out to have a coffee with a friend .. that man should get 100 lashes

Neither women nor Islam is the culprit but "male chauvinism" tradition anchored in 1000s of yrs of tradition


.
User avatar
Hans Bulvai
Posts: 1056
Joined: Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:30 pm
Location: Underneath everything

Re: India

Post by Hans Bulvai »

Heracleum Persicum wrote:
Hans Bulvai wrote:.

Had to throw Arabia in there as if women anywhere are treated better. Again, what is the difference between a Saudi Arabian chadour and an Iranian one ?

.


Difference between Saudi and Iranian woman civil rights, freedom and liberty is not the apparel .. or .. even the woman themselves

Difference is in the men .. Saudi and Iranian men

IMHO, when a man does not allow his wife or daughter or sister ride bike or drive a car or go out to have a coffee with a friend .. that man should get 100 lashes

Neither women nor Islam is the culprit but "male chauvinism" tradition anchored in 1000s of yrs of tradition


.
Well, male chauvanism exists in pretty much every country. Its a man's world don't you know.
Women in the West can ride bicycles and drink coffee with a friend, are they free?
Besides, women in Saudi Arabia can ride bicycles and have coffee with a friend. They just can't do it with other men around.
I don't buy supremacy
Media chief
You menace me
The people you say
'Cause all the crime
Wake up motherfucker
And smell the slime
User avatar
Typhoon
Posts: 27242
Joined: Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:42 pm
Location: 関西

Re: India

Post by Typhoon »

Bloom | Delhi Rape Victims Are to Blame, Defendants’ Lawyer Says
The lawyer representing three of the men charged with the gang rape and murder of a medical student aboard a moving bus in New Delhi has blamed the victims for the assault,
saying he has never heard of a “respected lady” being raped in India.
May the gods preserve and defend me from self-righteous altruists; I can defend myself from my enemies and my friends.
noddy
Posts: 11318
Joined: Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:09 pm

Re: India

Post by noddy »

india and pakistan have been having skirmishes on the problematic kashmir border, several soldiers killed.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/i ... 289915.ece
Pakistan High Commissioner Salman Bashir was summoned to the External Affairs Ministry on Wednesday to protest against the killing of two Indian soldiers on the Line of Control (LoC).Pakistan, however, said it was sure the Indian Army started the chain of events and things took a turn for the worse early on Sunday morning with the death of one of its soldiers and critical injuries to another.

Pakistani Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar, in an interview to CNN-IBN, and the Foreign Office, in a statement, offered to have the United Nations Military Observer Group for India and Pakistan (UNMOGIP) investigate the ceasefire violations on the LoC from Sunday morning.

In Delhi, Foreign Secretary Ranjan Mathai conveyed to Mr. Bashir India’s “deepest concern and protest” over the attack in which the bodies of Indian soldiers were subjected to “barbaric and inhuman mutilation.’’

Pakistan was asked to immediately investigate these actions that are in contravention of all norms of international conduct and ensure that these do not recur.

External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid said the Pakistan envoy was “spoken to in very strong terms” and called the incident “completely unacceptable.”

The summoning of Mr. Bashir took place a couple of days after Indian Deputy High Commissioner in Pakistan Gopal Bagley was called to the Foreign Office and told that Indian soldiers crossed the LoC on Sunday.

India denied the allegation and claimed its troops undertook “controlled retaliatory firing’’ after the Pakistani Army shelled an Indian village, damaging a house.

Pakistan too denied its soldiers crossed the LoC in dense fog two days later and ambushed Indian troops out on patrol. It, therefore, did not comment on India’s charge that the two soldiers were decapitated.
ultracrepidarian
User avatar
Hans Bulvai
Posts: 1056
Joined: Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:30 pm
Location: Underneath everything

Re: India

Post by Hans Bulvai »

Typhoon wrote:Bloom | Delhi Rape Victims Are to Blame, Defendants’ Lawyer Says
The lawyer representing three of the men charged with the gang rape and murder of a medical student aboard a moving bus in New Delhi has blamed the victims for the assault,
saying he has never heard of a “respected lady” being raped in India.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 43327.html
An Indian spiritual leader has sparked outcry by claiming the student raped and murdered in Delhi was partly responsible for what happened and should have pleaded with her attackers to leave her alone – the latest in a series of controversial comments campaigners say highlight a mindset within the heartland of India that permits such assaults to take place.
I don't buy supremacy
Media chief
You menace me
The people you say
'Cause all the crime
Wake up motherfucker
And smell the slime
Ibrahim
Posts: 6524
Joined: Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:06 am

Re: India

Post by Ibrahim »

At least the massive world power containing a sixth of the world's population is getting Western attention for the right reasons.
User avatar
Typhoon
Posts: 27242
Joined: Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:42 pm
Location: 関西

Re: India

Post by Typhoon »

May the gods preserve and defend me from self-righteous altruists; I can defend myself from my enemies and my friends.
Ibrahim
Posts: 6524
Joined: Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:06 am

Re: India

Post by Ibrahim »

Look at this silly article:
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/2 ... c30b6f1709
The Economist wrote:Most of all, though, India needs to give up its outdated philosophy of non-alignment. Since the nuclear deal with America in 2005, it has shifted towards the west—it tends to vote America’s way in the UN, it has cut its purchases of Iranian oil, it collaborates with NATO in Afghanistan and co-ordinates with the West in dealing with regional problems such as repression in Sri Lanka and transition in Myanmar—but has done so surreptitiously. Making its shift more explicit, by signing up with Western-backed security alliances, would be good for the region, and the world. It would promote democracy in Asia and help bind China into international norms. That might not be in India’s short-term interest, for it would risk antagonising China. But looking beyond short-term self-interest is the kind of thing a great power does.

That India can become a great power is not in doubt. The real question is whether it wants to.

If I'm reading this right, India needs to "align" with the West, and embrace the military meddling that has done the world so many favors since 2001. What pack of madmen would want to focus on their economic growth and security rather than using their military to (help the US) screw around in Central Asia. And apparently they have to act as a check against China because.... why?

Oh, and the earlier assertion in the article that India doesn't have a serious and concerted strategy to deal with Pakistan is just wrong. India's defense is entirely geared towards containing Pakistan, and destroying it if they start a war, nuclear or otherwise.

The Economist is turning into a kind of Onion-like parody of neo-liberalism and neo-conservatism.
User avatar
Heracleum Persicum
Posts: 11571
Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2012 7:38 pm

Re: India

Post by Heracleum Persicum »

Ibrahim wrote:.

The Economist is turning into a kind of Onion-like parody of neo-liberalism and neo-conservatism.

.


Economist, WSJ, FT and and and .. all .. instrument of establishment to fool Joe and manufacture government line sentiment

Want to know what really going on ? ? .. read and watch Iranian PressTV .. that is why west is banning PressTV, for you guys not to know what the real story is



.
User avatar
monster_gardener
Posts: 5334
Joined: Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:36 am
Location: Trolla. Land of upside down trees and tomatos........

Ballots, Money, Education and Bullets.........

Post by monster_gardener »

Hans Bulvai wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:
Hans Bulvai wrote:.

Had to throw Arabia in there as if women anywhere are treated better. Again, what is the difference between a Saudi Arabian chadour and an Iranian one ?

.


Difference between Saudi and Iranian woman civil rights, freedom and liberty is not the apparel .. or .. even the woman themselves

Difference is in the men .. Saudi and Iranian men

IMHO, when a man does not allow his wife or daughter or sister ride bike or drive a car or go out to have a coffee with a friend .. that man should get 100 lashes

Neither women nor Islam is the culprit but "male chauvinism" tradition anchored in 1000s of yrs of tradition


.
Well, male chauvanism exists in pretty much every country. Its a man's world don't you know.
Women in the West can ride bicycles and drink coffee with a friend, are they free?
Besides, women in Saudi Arabia can ride bicycles and have coffee with a friend. They just can't do it with other men around.

Thank You Very Much for your post, Hans.
Its a man's world don't you know.
Not so much in Uz........

AIUI women control more of the money than the men and go to college more........
Women in the West can ride bicycles and drink coffee with a friend, are they free?
I would say yes.... Given that they can vote and are frequently elected or appointed to positions of political power as high as the House, Senate, SCOTUS and quite likely soon the POTUS.....

And they are equal too......... ;)

Sam Colt made them that way......... :twisted:
For the love of G_d, consider you & I may be mistaken.
Orion Must Rise: Killer Space Rocks Coming Our way
The Best Laid Plans of Men, Monkeys & Pigs Oft Go Awry
Woe to those who long for the Day of the Lord, for It is Darkness, Not Light
User avatar
Heracleum Persicum
Posts: 11571
Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2012 7:38 pm

Re: India

Post by Heracleum Persicum »

.

. . after being pushed around by the US to comply with its sanctions regime against Iran, the government decided that enough is enough


.

India will set up a $400 million Energy Insurance Pool [EIP] fund to provide back-up to the Indian insurance companies. If the claims exceed the limit of $400, the government will step in with sovereign guarantee also up to $2 billion.

[..]

The fact that PMO took matters in its hands and gave the policy directive with regard to the setting up of the EIP would underscore that indeed the issues concerning ties with Iran are being viewed as “strategic calls” at the highest level of policymaking.

Iran is a pivotal country for India and in order for its regional strategies to be anywhere optimal, Delhi needs to rebuild the strategic understanding with Tehran.

.



:lol:





.
Post Reply