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The Nobel Peace Prize

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Apparently the article I saw earlier wasn't a gag.

At what point did this solemn award officially jump the shark?
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You couldn't make it up.

News that the European Union has won the Nobel Peace Prize this morning comes as we learn that Europe's attempt to break the power of nation states through currency union has pushed Greek unemployment to a record 25.1pc – just ahead of Spain – with far worse yet to come.

It comes as EMU's North-South split turns more acrimonious by the day, with the creditor bloc and debtor bloc (to use a very crude description that does not capture what is really a story of currency misalignment) eyeing each other with increasing hatred.

It comes days after Chancellor Angela Merkel was greeted in Athens by enraged crowds, some giving Hitler salutes, others protesting that Greece has become a "slave colony of the European Union".

The Greek state had to deploy 7,000 police and impose a partial lockdown of Athens to keep her safe. The Frankfurter Allgemeine said Konrad Adenauer enjoyed a friendlier welcome in 1954 – as he deserved – less than a decade after Wehrmacht occupation (and 300,000 deaths).

It comes as the vice-president of the Spanish parliament calls for deployment of the Guardia Civil to crush Catalan separatists. And while the Catalan dispute obviously predates the EMU crisis, it has erupted now precisely because the EMU system has driven Spain into crippling depression.

It comes after the EMU's policy structure – having first stoked credit booms in a string of countries – has swung to the other extreme of maniacal contraction that is pushing the eurozone into a deepening double-dip slump.

Precisely because the victim states have surrendered their key policy levers to the EU Project, they have no means of defending themselves or answering the cries of their people. Hence the warnings this week from Portugal's former President Jorge Sampaio that the economic asphyxiation of his country threatens to destroy its fledgling democracy.

The Nobel Prize comes, in short, as events have shown that the Hegelian push for breakneck integration – the supranational assault on the ancient nation states of Europe – has proved to be an unmitigated disaster.

The disaster has occurred because ideological extremists have tried to rush history, and because the likes of the Nobel Committee and their counterparts in EU capitals believe the European Project to be a higher ideal, and pan-European institutions to be more exalted.

They have the matter backwards. The Project is incrementally violating the Burkean Principle that most Telegraph readers would subscribe to: the tried and tested, the small platoon, the ancestral cords of memory, and customs and loyalties that bind a people.

Sadly, those willing to defend the democratic nation state as the higher ideal have been too few, and too cowed by fashion. The Hegelians have run away with the argument, and the results are now plain before our eyes.

Yes, we can all agree that the EU's Franco-German machinery today beats Verdun, but it was not the democratic nation state that caused Verdun. It was a long-premeditated attack by a military autocracy, as Fritz Fischer makes very clear in Griff nach der Weltmacht.

Nor was it the democratic nation state that caused the invasion of Prague and the dismemberment of Czechoslovakia in March 1939, and all that was too follow.

This veiled attempt to blame the wars of the 20th century on Europe's feuding states is a sleight of hand, too easily allowed to pass. There was no full continental war for a century after the Congress of Vienna. What changed this in 1914 was very specific.

The EU's high priests draw on a caricature version of history that must be challenged. The post-war national democracies – nurtured by the Marshall Plan, Nato, and benign American influence, nota bene – are not the problem, they are the solution. They have been the foundation of Europe's peaceful order for 60 years, even if some are not yet fully anchored and secured.

Yes, you can argue that the prospect of EU accession helped Greece, Spain, and Portugal move to democracy, with eastern Europe following. But it is a specious argument. Most of Latin America has evolved towards democracy over the same period, and large parts of Africa and Asia too. It is a global shift.

The central threat to this once happy state of affairs in Europe comes from EU aggrandisement itself as it builds structures beyond parliamentary control. We will find out soon enough whether Euroland really will cross the Rubicon to fiscal union to stop the euro breaking apart, and in doing so usurp the tax and spending powers of these parliaments altogether, that is to say whether EMU leaders are really willing to rip the heart out of democracy.

The Nobel committee likes to deploy prizes to push its agenda and encourage what it believes to benign behaviour. In this case the purpose is to press North Europe to stand full square behind the Project.

"We want to focus on what has been achieved in Europe in terms of peace and reconciliation," says the Committee's Thorbjørn Jagland. "It is a message to Europe to secure what they have achieved and not let the continent go into disintegration again because it means the emergence of extremism and nationalism."

We should not doubt his good intentions. We may however, abominate his judgment.
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Juggernaut Nihilism wrote:Apparently the article I saw earlier wasn't a gag.

At what point did this solemn award officially jump the shark?
1st jump:

2007 | Al Gore

2nd jump:

2009 | Barack Obama

3rd jump:

2012 | EU

Is there some psychoactive substance in lutfisk?

It's okay to not award the prize in a given year if there are no deserving recipients.
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Arafish Jumps the Shark- Peace Prize goes to Pieces & Pisces

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Juggernaut Nihilism wrote:Apparently the article I saw earlier wasn't a gag.

At what point did this solemn award officially jump the shark?
Thank You VERY Much for your post, Juggernaut.

Don't blame yourself for your suspicion that this was a joke..... Could have been the "European ONION" ;) :lol: :lol:

As to when the Nobel Peace Prize jumped the shark, why with Arafish ;) :lol: of course.......

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http://www.factsofisrael.com/blog/archives/000481.html

Though IMVHO Choom Man the Dog Eater's Peace Prize and this may have resulted in this.........

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Arnold Sommerfeld, Lise Meitner, Rosalind Frank

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Typhoon wrote:
Juggernaut Nihilism wrote:Apparently the article I saw earlier wasn't a gag.

At what point did this solemn award officially jump the shark?
1st jump:

2007 | Al Gore

2nd jump:

2009 | Barack Obama

3rd jump:

2012 | EU

Is there some psychoactive substance in lutfisk?

It's okay to not award the prize in a given year if there are no deserving recipients.
Thank You Very Much for your post, Typhoon.

Good Idea..........

If they have to use it or lose it, why not issue some extra awards in the hard sciences where there may be less doubt about merit........

I'd even open it up to the deceased....... though that is currently against the rules....

3 quick suggestions.........

Sommerfeld for Physics.........
Though Sommerfeld was nominated for the Nobel Prize 81 times,[51] more than any other physicist, he never received the award.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Sommerfeld

Lise Meitner for Physics.......
Meitner was part of the team that discovered nuclear fission, an achievement for which her colleague Otto Hahn was awarded the Nobel Prize.[5] Meitner is often mentioned as one of the most glaring examples of women's scientific achievement overlooked by the Nobel committee.[6][7][8] A 1997 Physics Today study concluded that Meitner's omission was "a rare instance in which personal negative opinions apparently led to the exclusion of a deserving scientist" from the Nobel.[9]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lise_Meitner

Rosalind Franklin for Biology: DNA structure.....
Franklin is best known for her work on the X-ray diffraction images of DNA which led to discovery of DNA double helix. Her data, according to Francis Crick, were "the data we actually used"[3] to formulate Crick and Watson's 1953 hypothesis regarding the structure of DNA.[4] Franklin's images of X-ray diffraction confirming the helical structure of DNA were shown to Watson without her approval or knowledge. Though this image and her accurate interpretation of the data provided valuable insight into the DNA structure, Franklin's scientific contributions to the discovery of the double helix are often overlooked. Unpublished drafts of her papers (written just as she was arranging to leave King's College London) show that she had independently determined the overall B-form of the DNA helix and the location of the phosphate groups on the outside of the structure. However, her work was published third, in the series of three DNA Nature articles, led by the paper of Watson and Crick which only hinted at her contribution to their hypothesis.[5]
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Apparently even the Nobel committee doesn't take the peace prize seriously.
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Typhoon wrote:
Juggernaut Nihilism wrote:Apparently the article I saw earlier wasn't a gag.

At what point did this solemn award officially jump the shark?
1st jump:

2007 | Al Gore

2nd jump:

2009 | Barack Obama

3rd jump:

2012 | EU
How about 1973 | Henry Kissinger?
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It's okay to not award the prize in a given year if there are no deserving recipients.
Sure, but this year there are several they could have picked.
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Nobel Piece Prize

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Enki wrote:Apparently even the Nobel committee doesn't take the peace prize seriously.
Thank you Very Much for your post, Enki.

You may be right.

In which case why not had it over to the Adult_Film_Association_of_America or its Swedish Equivalent and make it the Piece Prize. ;) :twisted: :lol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_Film ... of_America

After All Asspasia ;) oops I mean Aspasia was so smart she is said to have written Pericles' speeches.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspasia

And when I was younger the Swedes were famous for their Piece ;) work.... I am Curious but Yellow ;) .......... I am Curious but Blue ;) ........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Curious_%28Yellow%29

Butt ;) really the Swedes are So Serious that they think they can use the Peace Prize to make Peace themselves......

That hasn't worked so well with Obama....... ;) :twisted: :lol:

Rather doubt that it will with the Euros....... Wonder if the Prize money will go to hunger relief in Greece......

Or for vacations ;) oops I mean fact finding tours for the Euro Bureaucrats.........
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Enki wrote:.

Apparently even the Nobel committee doesn't take the peace prize seriously.

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Nobel peace price :

Arafat

Rubin

Obama

Eu


:lol:


all who caused directly or indirectly 100s of 1000s of people killed

Am astonished they did not give Kissinger, Thatcher, Attila, Hitler, Stalin, Churchil, Tchingiz Khan
Nobel peace price

and

Ahmadienjat talking only non violence and peace .. but , he Hitler

Shows how fucked up western civilization has become

Western Joe numb

Need new world order



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new World order....... Nude World Order.......

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Jnalum Persicum wrote:
Enki wrote:.

Apparently even the Nobel committee doesn't take the peace prize seriously.

.


Nobel peace price :

Arafat

Rubin

Obama

Eu


:lol:


all who caused directly or indirectly 100s of 1000s of people killed

Am astonished they did not give Kissinger, Thatcher, Attila, Hitler, Stalin, Churchil, Tchingiz Khan
Nobel peace price

and

Ahmadienjat talking only non violence and peace .. but , he Hitler

Shows how fucked up western civilization has become

Western Joe numb

Need new world order



.

Thank you Very Much for your post, Azari.

Need new world order
Please NO!

The last time someone said that..............

Think it was Bush I.............

It even affected Professional Wrestling! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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And the last time there was peace in the world there was a Nude World Order......

Lots of Nude Gardening Going On........

But then a Snake got involved with a woman ;) ......... and you know the rest of the story

Note: Picture below may be NSFW ;) :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Next time it goes to KFC, for having the bravery to include in their " to go" boxes the first widely available spork.

Oddly enough, Autocorrect does not recognize the word " spork". This is evidence of the leftover political turmoil associated with the allegations of poultry genocide.
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monster_gardener wrote:. . the Swedes were famous. . the Swedes are So Serious that they think they can use the Peace Prize to make Peace themselves......
Hey, hey, hey there, mg . . what's with trying to blame the Swedes? A Swede initially funded the Nobel Prize, but:
. . the recipient is selected by the Norwegian Nobel Committee, a 5-member committee appointed by the Parliament of Norway.
Oh . . the shame of it . . as a Swede, I'm offended . . crushed . . crestfallen . . and abused . . :cry:

  • *Just kidding, mg, just kidding . .
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Serious Swedes and their Sidearms.......

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Marcus wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:. . the Swedes were famous. . the Swedes are So Serious that they think they can use the Peace Prize to make Peace themselves......
Hey, hey, hey there, mg . . what's with trying to blame the Swedes? A Swede initially funded the Nobel Prize, but:
. . the recipient is selected by the Norwegian Nobel Committee, a 5-member committee appointed by the Parliament of Norway.
Oh . . the shame of it . . as a Swede, I'm offended . . crushed . . crestfallen . . and abused . . :cry:

  • *Just kidding, mg, just kidding . .
Thank You VERY Much for your post, Marcus.

No problemo.........

Quite true....... Nobel made his money by inventing dynamite: nitroglycerin shock stabilized in diatomaceous earth and felt bad that so much went to warfare rather than mining where it was a blessing...

Swedes can be quite diligent & clever...........

Remembering how the Swedes managed to stay out of WW2 by being strong enough not to mess with........

Still had some problems with their neutral ships getting strafed by smart ass Nazi aviators......

Allowed their ship officers to have an anti-aircraft gun :shock: registered as their personal sidearm ;) . Slowed the Strafing down Seriously.....
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Jnalum Persicum wrote:
Enki wrote:.

Apparently even the Nobel committee doesn't take the peace prize seriously.

.


Nobel peace price :

Arafat

Rubin

Obama

Eu


:lol:


all who caused directly or indirectly 100s of 1000s of people killed

Am astonished they did not give Kissinger, Thatcher, Attila, Hitler, Stalin, Churchil, Tchingiz Khan
Nobel peace price
They gave Kissinger the Nobel Peace Prize in 1973.
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Enki wrote:Apparently even the Nobel committee doesn't take the peace prize seriously.
Serious question, is it even the same guys? The people deciding on the most important breakthrough in particle physics must hand this one off to the PR department.


What's cute is that everybody hates this for different reasons. Right-wingers and gun nuts hate Europe for being a disarmed socialist gulag where people have gay sex in the streets, and bleeding-heart lefties hate it for being a collection of decayed racist colonial states that oppress immigrants into ghettos and marginally assist the US in murdering civilians and torturing detainees. Both kind of true.
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And Turkey Wants to Join :-)

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Ibrahim wrote:
Enki wrote:Apparently even the Nobel committee doesn't take the peace prize seriously.
Serious question, is it even the same guys? The people deciding on the most important breakthrough in particle physics must hand this one off to the PR department.


What's cute is that everybody hates this for different reasons. Right-wingers and gun nuts hate Europe for being a disarmed socialist gulag where people have gay sex in the streets, and bleeding-heart lefties hate it for being a collection of decayed racist colonial states that oppress immigrants into ghettos and marginally assist the US in murdering civilians and torturing detainees. Both kind of true.
Thank you Very Much for your post, Ibrahim.

And IIRC Turkey wants to join this ;) :lol:
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monster_gardener wrote:
Ibrahim wrote:. . Right-wingers and gun nuts hate Europe for being a disarmed socialist gulag where people have gay sex in the streets, and bleeding-heart lefties hate it for being a collection of decayed racist colonial states that oppress immigrants into ghettos and marginally assist the US in murdering civilians and torturing detainees. Both kind of true.
Thank you Very Much for your post, Ibrahim.

And IIRC Turkey wants to join this ;) :lol:
You gotta wonder which Europe—between the two, bigoted, racist views presented—Turkey wishes to join . . the disarmed socialists or the racist killers?

Whoo-hoo . . :oops:
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Ibrahim wrote: What's cute is that everybody hates this for different reasons. Right-wingers and gun nuts hate Europe for being a disarmed socialist gulag where people have gay sex in the streets, and bleeding-heart lefties hate it for being a collection of decayed racist colonial states that oppress immigrants into ghettos and marginally assist the US in murdering civilians and torturing detainees. Both kind of true.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Love it! Thanks Ibrahim! I owe you a drink!

There truly are times when one of the two binary choices appeals to everyone..... ;) One size may not fit all, but two oughta be more than nuff....

"If you donna want to be onea of the above.... finda your owna bloody continent!!"

My buddy sent me a link to the notification of the EU peace prize. His comment: "Screaming contrary indicator!"

He will bet anyone who wants to take the bet a 50 box of .22 long rifle cartridges that the EU will be engulfed in war within 12 months. He figures .22 lr are as good a currency as any....
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Re: And Turkey Wants to Join :-)

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Marcus wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:
Ibrahim wrote:. . Right-wingers and gun nuts hate Europe for being a disarmed socialist gulag where people have gay sex in the streets, and bleeding-heart lefties hate it for being a collection of decayed racist colonial states that oppress immigrants into ghettos and marginally assist the US in murdering civilians and torturing detainees. Both kind of true.
Thank you Very Much for your post, Ibrahim.

And IIRC Turkey wants to join this ;) :lol:
You gotta wonder which Europe—between the two, bigoted, racist views presented—Turkey wishes to join . . the disarmed socialists or the racist killers?

Whoo-hoo . . :oops:
Thank You VERY Much for your post, Marcus.

Based on the historical data for Turkey, it would be the killers...... though to be fair to Ibrahim himself based on his expressed opinions here, for him I suspect it would be the other..
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Say HALO to Currency of Real Value

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Simple Minded wrote:
Ibrahim wrote: What's cute is that everybody hates this for different reasons. Right-wingers and gun nuts hate Europe for being a disarmed socialist gulag where people have gay sex in the streets, and bleeding-heart lefties hate it for being a collection of decayed racist colonial states that oppress immigrants into ghettos and marginally assist the US in murdering civilians and torturing detainees. Both kind of true.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Love it! Thanks Ibrahim! I owe you a drink!

There truly are times when one of the two binary choices appeals to everyone..... ;) One size may not fit all, but two oughta be more than nuff....

"If you donna want to be onea of the above.... finda your owna bloody continent!!"

My buddy sent me a link to the notification of the EU peace prize. His comment: "Screaming contrary indicator!"

He will bet anyone who wants to take the bet a 50 box of .22 long rifle cartridges that the EU will be engulfed in war within 12 months. He figures .22 lr are as good a currency as any....
Thank You Very Much for your post, Simple Minded.
"If you donna want to be onea of the above.... finda your owna bloody continent!!"
I would prefer to say HALO ;) to a Cultured ;) Orbital but would settle for Moon Base near the Peaks of Eternal Light or the Craters of Ice..........
Slightly more practically maybe Antarctica which is more or less Mars with Oxygen but still so harsh that people who hate each other still have to get along to survive......... And maybe far enough South for the Fallout to decay .............
He figures .22 lr are as good a currency as any....
Better actually......... Ammunition suitable for the gun in hand will hold its value even when gold "rusts"

Also good are cans of beans & corn........

And the most important liquid asset ;) pure water......
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Ibrahim wrote: What's cute is that everybody hates this for different reasons. Right-wingers and gun nuts hate Europe for being a disarmed socialist gulag where people have gay sex in the streets, and bleeding-heart lefties hate it for being a collection of decayed racist colonial states that oppress immigrants into ghettos and marginally assist the US in murdering civilians and torturing detainees. Both kind of true.
I don't think bleeding heart lefties hate Europe even if what you say is true.
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How Long Will the Fun Last in Europe

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Mr. Perfect wrote:
Ibrahim wrote: What's cute is that everybody hates this for different reasons. Right-wingers and gun nuts hate Europe for being a disarmed socialist gulag where people have gay sex in the streets, and bleeding-heart lefties hate it for being a collection of decayed racist colonial states that oppress immigrants into ghettos and marginally assist the US in murdering civilians and torturing detainees. Both kind of true.
I don't think bleeding heart lefties hate Europe even if what you say is true.
Thank you VERY Much for your post, Mr. Perfect

IMVHO you are correct.

The Left wants to make Uz like the Socialist Vision of Europe.

And there a some aspects of that vision that are tempting..Dutch Marijuana ;) .... Art Museums like the Prado :) , Nude Beaches ;) :roll: :oops:
German Fasching and similar parties :shock:

And even practical stuff like German Kurzarbeit......

But how long will the fun last the way things are going.....

Economic Collapse of the Euro plus the Demographic Warnings of Azari's African Bishop ;) , Bruce Bawer, Mark Steyn's Mosquito Mullah :twisted: Krekar & Spengler Goldman.....

Europe may be decadent fun but will Eurabia be so......... Or some of its possible solutions: Putin on a big white Pony ;) :shock: ........

Not that we Uz are in great shape.........

We too are a Part of the Problem......... with our Cowboy Cllumsiness and Bernanke Bucks etc.............
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The committee won't give it to someone who is dead but they will give it to something that isn't alive!
Hmmmm.
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Juggernaut Nihilism wrote:
At what point did this solemn award officially jump the shark?
Since its (misguided) inception, to soothe Alfred Nobel's conscience.

Personally, I would nominate the authors of the Manhattan project, and the pilots who flew Enola Gay. Two little bombs, and the world has been safe from major wars (as opposed to post-colonial little proxies) for 67 years, and looks like staying that way.
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