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I vote "you first".
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Israel, just like India or Pakistan, is not a party to the NPT which it did not sign.
It is therefore not linked by any of its provisions.

That is international law 101... :)
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Alexis wrote:.

Israel, just like India or Pakistan, is not a party to the NPT which it did not sign.
It is therefore not linked by any of its provisions.

That is international law 101... :)

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Yes, true

but

Israel a member of United Nation

and

United nations can say, sign or else

how come Iran signed and inspectors 24/7 supervising all, but under vicious sanctions .. but .. Zionist entity, not signed, threatening nuclear war against other UN nation without provocation, attacking it`s neighbor killing woman and children on regular bases, using chemical weapon (White phosphorus on School and children) and and and, all that, but UN impotent enforcing any passed resolution on Zionist

How come


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WHY? Why are you lobbing soft balls Azari?

http://www.radicalislam.org/threat/iran ... red-terror
Iran is the single largest state sponsor of terror in the world. All too many of the world's major terrorist attacks during the last 30 years can be traced back to Iran.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_s ... uard_Corps
Iran and state terrorism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In 1995, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard held a conference with worldwide organizations accused of engaging in terrorism including the Japanese Red Army, the Armenian Secret Army, the Kurdistan Workers' Party, the Iraqi Da'wah Party, the Islamic Front for the Liberation of Bahrain and Hezbollah in Beirut for the sole purpose of providing training to these organizations supposedly to help in the destabilization of Gulf States and aid assistance to militants in these countries to replace the existing governments with Iran-like regimes.[3]
Ministry of Intelligence and Security

Iran is believed to use the Ministry of Intelligence and Security to gather intelligence to plan terrorist attacks. The ministry is believed to use liaison activities with supported terrorist groups and Islamic fundamentalist movements. The ministry itself is believed to carry out some terrorism mostly directed at political dissidents.[7]
In July 2012, the United States State Department released a report on terrorism around the world in 2011. The report states that "Iran remained an active state sponsor of terrorism in 2011 and increased its terrorist-related activity" and that "Iran also continued to provide financial, material, and logistical support for terrorist and militant groups throughout the Middle East and Central Asia." The report states that Iran has continued to provide "lethal support, including weapons, training, funding, and guidance, to Iraqi Shia militant groups targeting U.S. and Iraqi forces, as well as civilians," despite pleding to support the stabilization of Iraq, and that the Qods Force provided training to the Taliban in Afghanistan on "small unit tactics, small arms, explosives, and indirect fire weapons, such as mortars, artillery, and rockets." The report further states that Iran has provided weapons and training to the Assad regime in Syria which has launched a brutal crackdown on Syrian rebels, as well as providing weapons, training, and funding to Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command, among others, and has assisted in rearming Hizballah. The report states as well that Iran has remained unwilling to bring to justice senior members of Al Qaeda that it continued to detain, and also refused to publicly identify these senior members, as well as that Iran has allowed Al Qaeda members to operate a core facilitation pipeline through Iranian territory, which has enabled Al Qaeda to carry funds and move facilitators and operatives to South Asia and elsewhere.[9][10][11]
Partial list of Iranian government sponsored or encouraged terrorist attacks:

http://www.ncr-iran.org/fr/actualites/t ... cks-abroad
No Date Description of act
1 Nov 4,
1979
66 American diplomats were taken hostage and held for 444 days in Tehran
2 Nov 20,
1979
Seizure of Grand Mosque in Mecca, which ended in blood
3 April 18,
1983
A truck loaded with explosives blew up in front of the American embassy in Beirut. 63 were killed and 120 more were injured. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
4 Oct. 23,
1983 The headquarters of the U.S. Marines in Beirut was destroyed in a suicide attack .242 dead, 80 seriously wounded. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
5 Oct. 23,
1983 The headquarters of French troops in Beirut was destroyed in a suicide attack. 58 were killed. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
6 August
1983 An Air France 747 jumbo jet was hijacked after it took off from Vienna airport en route to Tehran. The plane was blown up by the hijackers on the tarmac of Tehran's Mehrabad airport.
7 March 16,
1984 William Buckley, political officer at U.S. embassy in Beirut, was abducted He was secretly taken to Tehran, where he was killed in 1985. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
8 April 12,
1984 Eighteen U.S. servicemen were killed, and 83 people were injured in a bomb attack on a restaurant near a U.S. Air Force Base in Torrejon, Spain. Responsibility was claimed by Hizballah.
9 Dec. 3,
1984 Peter Kilburn, a librarian at the American University of Beirut, was abducted by Iran's terrorist surrogates. He was killed in 1986.
10 May 22, 1985 Michel Seurat, a French writer, was kidnapped by mad mullahs' agents in Lebanon. He was murdered three years later by the hostage-takers.
11 June 14,
1985 A TWA 727 Boeing was hijacked en route Rome - Athens and was diverted to Beirut. One of the passengers on board who was a diver in the US Navy was executed on the plane by the hijackers.
12 1985 Two bombs planted in two restaurants in Kuwait resulted in the death of 10 people and the injury of 80.
13 Nov. 9,
1985 French police discovered a suitcase containing machineguns, handguns, grenades and bullets in the luggage of Iran Air crew in Roissy Airport.
14 Feb. 7,
1986 German police announced that two suspected Iranian terrorists abandoned their car and fled after they were pursued by the police. Their car had been used in previous terrorist attacks in France and weapons and documents were discovered in the car
15 March 18,
1986 Tunisian authorities announced that a terrorist group linked with Iran had been uncovered and 20 of its members had been arrested. The group called itself Hizbollah Al-Mokhtar
16 Aug. 28,
1986 A large quantity of explosives, plastic bombs and weapons were discovered in the luggage of Iranian "pilgrims" arriving in Saudi Arabia for the annual Hajj pilgrimage. Saudi police arrested 100 of the undercover agents sent by the mad mullahs' regime
17 September
1986 A wave of bombings in public places shocked Paris. Fouad Ali Saleh was convicted of killing 12 and injuring hundreds. He was arrested in March 1987 while transferring explosives into a car in Paris.
18 July 1987 A DC-10 plane belonging to Air Afrique was hijacked by terrorists of the mad mullahs' regime. During the hijacking of the plane a French passenger was killed in Vienna airport. Then-President of Switzerland said Iranian government was responsible
19 August 1,
1987 Iranian regime's agents staged a riot in Mecca during the Moslem annual Haj pilgrimage as part of a wider plan to destabilize the Saudi regime. The Saudi government said 402 persons were killed and 650 were wounded. 85 Saudi policemen were among the dead.
20 August 1,
1987 Embassies of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait in Tehran were occupied by government-organized mobs and a diplomat was killed.
21 Feb 17,
1988 U.S. Marine Corps Lt. Col. W. Higgins was kidnapped and murdered by the Iranian-backed Hizballah group while serving with the United Nations Truce Supervisory Organization (UNTSO) in southern Lebanon.
22 April 5,
1988 A Kuwaiti 747 jumbo jet was hijacked in Bangkok and landed in Mashad, eastern Iran. One of mad mullahs' terrorists of Lebanese origin boarded the plane in Iran and led the terrorist operation. During 15-day ordeal, two passengers were killed by hijackers.
23 December
22, 1988 Pan Am flight 103 exploded in mid-air over Lockerbie in Scotland.
24 May 27,
1989 Turkish daily Hurriyet reported that a 14-man group trying to infiltrate into Turkey from Iran to carry out terrorist attacks had been arrested. The group's leader, Esmat Kamal, had been involved in the assassination of a Saudi diplomat in Ankara.
25 July 31,
1989 Colonel William Higgins, an American officer working for the United Nations in Lebanon, was abducted and executed by the Iranian regime's agents. A video recording of his hanging was given to international news agencies.
26 1989 During Muslim annual Haj pilgrimage, three bombs were exploded around the holy site of Mecca. Scores of people were injured.
27 Febrary
1989 Khomeini's religious decree to kill Salman Rushdie, an Indian born British author for writing Satanic Verses.
28 Dec.23,
1989 Mehrdad Kowkabi, an Iranian, was charged with attempted arson of a London bookshop and planning a bomb attack in connection with Salman Rushdie
29 Jan.30,
1990 French Television Channel 1 broadcast an interview with Lotfi Ben-Khala, a terrorist agent who was trained in Iran. He said the mad mullahs planned a terrorist attack on a French nuclear facility that would have resulted in 10,000 deaths.
30 July 3,
1991 The Italian translator of the Satanic Verses was stabbed and injured. The assailant said that he was an Iranian who was looking for Rushdie's whereabouts.
31 July 21,
1991
Prof. Hitoshi Igarashi, the Japanese translator of Satanic Verses, was stabbed to death
32 December
29, 1991
Following the arrest of one the mad mullahs' terrorists in Bern, the regime barred the employees of the Swiss embassy from leaving Tehran
33 March
1992 Relations between Bern and Tehran were severed after an Iranian terrorist was arrested in Switzerland. A Swiss businessman disappeared in Tehran. Later it was discovered that he had been taken hostage.
34 March 17,
1992 An attack against Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires resulted in the death of 20 and the injury of 250 people.
35 Nov. 21,
1992 French police announced the arrest of two Iranians involved in several assassinations in Europe
36 Dec. 29,
1992 Palestinian President Yasser Arafat told Egypt's parliament that Iranian regime finances HAMAS, Islamic Jihad and other radical groups and recently paid them 30 million dollars.
37 January 27,
1993 Turkish Interior Minister said a terrorist network linked with the Iranian regime carried out the assassination of Turkish journalist, Ugur Mumcu.
38 January 27,
1993 Turkish police arrested a group of Turkish Hezbollah members, who were trained in Iran, and charged them with the killing of Hikmet Cettin, a Turkish journalist
39 April 25,
1993 New York Times reported that at least 100,000 dollars had been deposited in the account of the prime suspects of the World Trade Center bombing. The money primarily came from Iran
40 July 8,
1993
Egyptian security forces arrested 165 Islamic fundamentalists. Two of them had been trained in a terrorist training center in Mashad, eastern Iran.
41 October 11,
1993 The Norwegian publisher of Salman Rushdie's book, Willian Nigaard, was hit with three bullets from the back in an unsuccessful assassination attempt
42 June 2,
1994 AFP reported that U.S. intelligence officials said Iran has secretly planted 400 members of the Revolutionary Guards in Bosnia in order to set up terrorist cells in the former Yugoslavia.
43 June 3,
1994 Hossein Shahriarifar, an Iranian terrorist, was arrested along with two other Iranians in Thailand on charges of plotting to carry out a suicide attack on Israel embassy in Bangkok. The truck was stopped by police as he was driving to the embassy.
44 July 6,
1994 Reuters reported that the Filipino government has arrested an agent of the Iranian regime named Hosseini on charges of providing financial support for Abu Sayyaf group.
45 July 15,
1994 The foreign ministry of Venezuella announced that it had declared four Iranian diplomats persona non grata and asked them to leave the country after they were implicated in the attempted abduction of an exiled Iranian.
46 July 18,
1994
Attack against the Jewish Community Center in Buenos Aires led to the killing of 26 and the injury of 127 people. Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin blamed the bombing on the Iranian regime
47 July 31,
1994 Panama announced that two Iranians and a Lebanese had been arrested in connection with the bombing of an airliner on July 19.
48 May 7,
1995 Swedish government expeled to suspects from this country for having terrorist conspiracies. The mad mullahs' regime take advantage of extrimist groups for its terrorist goals.
49 August
1995
Germany expelled two Iranian diplomats. The mad mullahs' embassy in Bonn intended to dispatch a terrorist team to disrupt the Dortmund meeting in which Mrs. Maryam Rajavi was due to make a speech
50 August 21,
1995 Jerusalem bus attack: Hamas claimed responsibility for the detonation of a bomb that killed six and injured over 100 persons, including several U.S. citizens.
51 May 23,
1996 Palestinian President Yasser Arafat said: "A clandestine group intended to assassinate me. They acted upon a religious decree from Iran"
52 June 5,
1996 The interior Minister of Bahrain exposed a plan to topple the ruling family by fundamentalist Shiites. The leader of the group, Ali Kazem Almottaqavi, had been living in Iran since 1983. He was led by Brigadier Ahmad Sharifi of Revolutionary Guards
53 June
1996
Government of Bahrain announces discovery of a local Hizbollah terrorist cell, whose members were trained and sponsored by the Iranian regime
54 March 3,
1996 A powerful bomb exploded in Bethlehem by agents of the mad mullahs' regime
55 March 13,
1996 The leader of a fundamentalist terrorist group in Turkey was arrested by police. He admitted that he was given weapons by mad mullahs' embassy in Ankara to assassinate an anti-fundamentalist Turkish author
56 April 10,
1996
Four diplomats of the mad mullahs' regime in Turkey were expelled because of their role in the assassination of Ms. Zahra Rajabi and a Turkish intellectual
57 May 13,
1996 The Iranian Resistance exposed a plan by the mad mullahs' Intelligence Ministry to attack the residence of Mrs. Maryam Rajavi, the Resistance's president-elect, in a Paris suburb.
58 Sept 24,
1996 An Iranian diplomat was arrested and later explled by the government of Tajikistan for his role in export of fundamentalism and terrorism to this country.
59 February 2,
1997 Turkish government expelled an Iranian diplomat for active involvement in exporting fundamentalism and terrorism to Turkey
60 February
2,1997 Terrorists were trained in Imam Sadeq training base near Qom. They were flown to a third country from Tehran in spring 1996. They were transferred to Saudi Arabia and implemented their plans.
61 October
12,1998 A government-affiliated institution raised its bounty for Rushdie's head to 2.8 million dollars.
62 August
23,1999 The written testimony of Argentina's vice-president to the judiciary of this country cited evidence pointing to Iranian regime's role in the bombing a Jewish Community Center in Buenos Aires in July 1994.
Iranian sponsored or encourage terror activities through Jan 2005

http://www.iranterror.com/content/view/38/56/
"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros
Crocus sativus

Re: Nuclear Disarmament

Post by Crocus sativus »

Doc wrote:WHY? Why are you lobbing soft balls Azari?

http://www.radicalislam.org/threat/iran ... red-terror
Iran is the single largest state sponsor of terror in the world. All too many of the world's major terrorist attacks during the last 30 years can be traced back to Iran.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_s ... uard_Corps
Iran and state terrorism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In 1995, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard held a conference with worldwide organizations accused of engaging in terrorism including the Japanese Red Army, the Armenian Secret Army, the Kurdistan Workers' Party, the Iraqi Da'wah Party, the Islamic Front for the Liberation of Bahrain and Hezbollah in Beirut for the sole purpose of providing training to these organizations supposedly to help in the destabilization of Gulf States and aid assistance to militants in these countries to replace the existing governments with Iran-like regimes.[3]
Ministry of Intelligence and Security

Iran is believed to use the Ministry of Intelligence and Security to gather intelligence to plan terrorist attacks. The ministry is believed to use liaison activities with supported terrorist groups and Islamic fundamentalist movements. The ministry itself is believed to carry out some terrorism mostly directed at political dissidents.[7]
In July 2012, the United States State Department released a report on terrorism around the world in 2011. The report states that "Iran remained an active state sponsor of terrorism in 2011 and increased its terrorist-related activity" and that "Iran also continued to provide financial, material, and logistical support for terrorist and militant groups throughout the Middle East and Central Asia." The report states that Iran has continued to provide "lethal support, including weapons, training, funding, and guidance, to Iraqi Shia militant groups targeting U.S. and Iraqi forces, as well as civilians," despite pleding to support the stabilization of Iraq, and that the Qods Force provided training to the Taliban in Afghanistan on "small unit tactics, small arms, explosives, and indirect fire weapons, such as mortars, artillery, and rockets." The report further states that Iran has provided weapons and training to the Assad regime in Syria which has launched a brutal crackdown on Syrian rebels, as well as providing weapons, training, and funding to Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command, among others, and has assisted in rearming Hizballah. The report states as well that Iran has remained unwilling to bring to justice senior members of Al Qaeda that it continued to detain, and also refused to publicly identify these senior members, as well as that Iran has allowed Al Qaeda members to operate a core facilitation pipeline through Iranian territory, which has enabled Al Qaeda to carry funds and move facilitators and operatives to South Asia and elsewhere.[9][10][11]
Partial list of Iranian government sponsored or encouraged terrorist attacks:

http://www.ncr-iran.org/fr/actualites/t ... cks-abroad
No Date Description of act
1 Nov 4,
1979
66 American diplomats were taken hostage and held for 444 days in Tehran
2 Nov 20,
1979
Seizure of Grand Mosque in Mecca, which ended in blood
3 April 18,
1983
A truck loaded with explosives blew up in front of the American embassy in Beirut. 63 were killed and 120 more were injured. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
4 Oct. 23,
1983 The headquarters of the U.S. Marines in Beirut was destroyed in a suicide attack .242 dead, 80 seriously wounded. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
5 Oct. 23,
1983 The headquarters of French troops in Beirut was destroyed in a suicide attack. 58 were killed. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
6 August
1983 An Air France 747 jumbo jet was hijacked after it took off from Vienna airport en route to Tehran. The plane was blown up by the hijackers on the tarmac of Tehran's Mehrabad airport.
7 March 16,
1984 William Buckley, political officer at U.S. embassy in Beirut, was abducted He was secretly taken to Tehran, where he was killed in 1985. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
8 April 12,
1984 Eighteen U.S. servicemen were killed, and 83 people were injured in a bomb attack on a restaurant near a U.S. Air Force Base in Torrejon, Spain. Responsibility was claimed by Hizballah.
9 Dec. 3,
1984 Peter Kilburn, a librarian at the American University of Beirut, was abducted by Iran's terrorist surrogates. He was killed in 1986.
10 May 22, 1985 Michel Seurat, a French writer, was kidnapped by mad mullahs' agents in Lebanon. He was murdered three years later by the hostage-takers.
11 June 14,
1985 A TWA 727 Boeing was hijacked en route Rome - Athens and was diverted to Beirut. One of the passengers on board who was a diver in the US Navy was executed on the plane by the hijackers.
12 1985 Two bombs planted in two restaurants in Kuwait resulted in the death of 10 people and the injury of 80.
13 Nov. 9,
1985 French police discovered a suitcase containing machineguns, handguns, grenades and bullets in the luggage of Iran Air crew in Roissy Airport.
14 Feb. 7,
1986 German police announced that two suspected Iranian terrorists abandoned their car and fled after they were pursued by the police. Their car had been used in previous terrorist attacks in France and weapons and documents were discovered in the car
15 March 18,
1986 Tunisian authorities announced that a terrorist group linked with Iran had been uncovered and 20 of its members had been arrested. The group called itself Hizbollah Al-Mokhtar
16 Aug. 28,
1986 A large quantity of explosives, plastic bombs and weapons were discovered in the luggage of Iranian "pilgrims" arriving in Saudi Arabia for the annual Hajj pilgrimage. Saudi police arrested 100 of the undercover agents sent by the mad mullahs' regime
17 September
1986 A wave of bombings in public places shocked Paris. Fouad Ali Saleh was convicted of killing 12 and injuring hundreds. He was arrested in March 1987 while transferring explosives into a car in Paris.
18 July 1987 A DC-10 plane belonging to Air Afrique was hijacked by terrorists of the mad mullahs' regime. During the hijacking of the plane a French passenger was killed in Vienna airport. Then-President of Switzerland said Iranian government was responsible
19 August 1,
1987 Iranian regime's agents staged a riot in Mecca during the Moslem annual Haj pilgrimage as part of a wider plan to destabilize the Saudi regime. The Saudi government said 402 persons were killed and 650 were wounded. 85 Saudi policemen were among the dead.
20 August 1,
1987 Embassies of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait in Tehran were occupied by government-organized mobs and a diplomat was killed.
21 Feb 17,
1988 U.S. Marine Corps Lt. Col. W. Higgins was kidnapped and murdered by the Iranian-backed Hizballah group while serving with the United Nations Truce Supervisory Organization (UNTSO) in southern Lebanon.
22 April 5,
1988 A Kuwaiti 747 jumbo jet was hijacked in Bangkok and landed in Mashad, eastern Iran. One of mad mullahs' terrorists of Lebanese origin boarded the plane in Iran and led the terrorist operation. During 15-day ordeal, two passengers were killed by hijackers.
23 December
22, 1988 Pan Am flight 103 exploded in mid-air over Lockerbie in Scotland.
24 May 27,
1989 Turkish daily Hurriyet reported that a 14-man group trying to infiltrate into Turkey from Iran to carry out terrorist attacks had been arrested. The group's leader, Esmat Kamal, had been involved in the assassination of a Saudi diplomat in Ankara.
25 July 31,
1989 Colonel William Higgins, an American officer working for the United Nations in Lebanon, was abducted and executed by the Iranian regime's agents. A video recording of his hanging was given to international news agencies.
26 1989 During Muslim annual Haj pilgrimage, three bombs were exploded around the holy site of Mecca. Scores of people were injured.
27 Febrary
1989 Khomeini's religious decree to kill Salman Rushdie, an Indian born British author for writing Satanic Verses.
28 Dec.23,
1989 Mehrdad Kowkabi, an Iranian, was charged with attempted arson of a London bookshop and planning a bomb attack in connection with Salman Rushdie
29 Jan.30,
1990 French Television Channel 1 broadcast an interview with Lotfi Ben-Khala, a terrorist agent who was trained in Iran. He said the mad mullahs planned a terrorist attack on a French nuclear facility that would have resulted in 10,000 deaths.
30 July 3,
1991 The Italian translator of the Satanic Verses was stabbed and injured. The assailant said that he was an Iranian who was looking for Rushdie's whereabouts.
31 July 21,
1991
Prof. Hitoshi Igarashi, the Japanese translator of Satanic Verses, was stabbed to death
32 December
29, 1991
Following the arrest of one the mad mullahs' terrorists in Bern, the regime barred the employees of the Swiss embassy from leaving Tehran
33 March
1992 Relations between Bern and Tehran were severed after an Iranian terrorist was arrested in Switzerland. A Swiss businessman disappeared in Tehran. Later it was discovered that he had been taken hostage.
34 March 17,
1992 An attack against Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires resulted in the death of 20 and the injury of 250 people.
35 Nov. 21,
1992 French police announced the arrest of two Iranians involved in several assassinations in Europe
36 Dec. 29,
1992 Palestinian President Yasser Arafat told Egypt's parliament that Iranian regime finances HAMAS, Islamic Jihad and other radical groups and recently paid them 30 million dollars.
37 January 27,
1993 Turkish Interior Minister said a terrorist network linked with the Iranian regime carried out the assassination of Turkish journalist, Ugur Mumcu.
38 January 27,
1993 Turkish police arrested a group of Turkish Hezbollah members, who were trained in Iran, and charged them with the killing of Hikmet Cettin, a Turkish journalist
39 April 25,
1993 New York Times reported that at least 100,000 dollars had been deposited in the account of the prime suspects of the World Trade Center bombing. The money primarily came from Iran
40 July 8,
1993
Egyptian security forces arrested 165 Islamic fundamentalists. Two of them had been trained in a terrorist training center in Mashad, eastern Iran.
41 October 11,
1993 The Norwegian publisher of Salman Rushdie's book, Willian Nigaard, was hit with three bullets from the back in an unsuccessful assassination attempt
42 June 2,
1994 AFP reported that U.S. intelligence officials said Iran has secretly planted 400 members of the Revolutionary Guards in Bosnia in order to set up terrorist cells in the former Yugoslavia.
43 June 3,
1994 Hossein Shahriarifar, an Iranian terrorist, was arrested along with two other Iranians in Thailand on charges of plotting to carry out a suicide attack on Israel embassy in Bangkok. The truck was stopped by police as he was driving to the embassy.
44 July 6,
1994 Reuters reported that the Filipino government has arrested an agent of the Iranian regime named Hosseini on charges of providing financial support for Abu Sayyaf group.
45 July 15,
1994 The foreign ministry of Venezuella announced that it had declared four Iranian diplomats persona non grata and asked them to leave the country after they were implicated in the attempted abduction of an exiled Iranian.
46 July 18,
1994
Attack against the Jewish Community Center in Buenos Aires led to the killing of 26 and the injury of 127 people. Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin blamed the bombing on the Iranian regime
47 July 31,
1994 Panama announced that two Iranians and a Lebanese had been arrested in connection with the bombing of an airliner on July 19.
48 May 7,
1995 Swedish government expeled to suspects from this country for having terrorist conspiracies. The mad mullahs' regime take advantage of extrimist groups for its terrorist goals.
49 August
1995
Germany expelled two Iranian diplomats. The mad mullahs' embassy in Bonn intended to dispatch a terrorist team to disrupt the Dortmund meeting in which Mrs. Maryam Rajavi was due to make a speech
50 August 21,
1995 Jerusalem bus attack: Hamas claimed responsibility for the detonation of a bomb that killed six and injured over 100 persons, including several U.S. citizens.
51 May 23,
1996 Palestinian President Yasser Arafat said: "A clandestine group intended to assassinate me. They acted upon a religious decree from Iran"
52 June 5,
1996 The interior Minister of Bahrain exposed a plan to topple the ruling family by fundamentalist Shiites. The leader of the group, Ali Kazem Almottaqavi, had been living in Iran since 1983. He was led by Brigadier Ahmad Sharifi of Revolutionary Guards
53 June
1996
Government of Bahrain announces discovery of a local Hizbollah terrorist cell, whose members were trained and sponsored by the Iranian regime
54 March 3,
1996 A powerful bomb exploded in Bethlehem by agents of the mad mullahs' regime
55 March 13,
1996 The leader of a fundamentalist terrorist group in Turkey was arrested by police. He admitted that he was given weapons by mad mullahs' embassy in Ankara to assassinate an anti-fundamentalist Turkish author
56 April 10,
1996
Four diplomats of the mad mullahs' regime in Turkey were expelled because of their role in the assassination of Ms. Zahra Rajabi and a Turkish intellectual
57 May 13,
1996 The Iranian Resistance exposed a plan by the mad mullahs' Intelligence Ministry to attack the residence of Mrs. Maryam Rajavi, the Resistance's president-elect, in a Paris suburb.
58 Sept 24,
1996 An Iranian diplomat was arrested and later explled by the government of Tajikistan for his role in export of fundamentalism and terrorism to this country.
59 February 2,
1997 Turkish government expelled an Iranian diplomat for active involvement in exporting fundamentalism and terrorism to Turkey
60 February
2,1997 Terrorists were trained in Imam Sadeq training base near Qom. They were flown to a third country from Tehran in spring 1996. They were transferred to Saudi Arabia and implemented their plans.
61 October
12,1998 A government-affiliated institution raised its bounty for Rushdie's head to 2.8 million dollars.
62 August
23,1999 The written testimony of Argentina's vice-president to the judiciary of this country cited evidence pointing to Iranian regime's role in the bombing a Jewish Community Center in Buenos Aires in July 1994.
Iranian sponsored or encourage terror activities through Jan 2005

http://www.iranterror.com/content/view/38/56/


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DOC , the net is full of rubbish ,

so

please spare your and my time and ONLY use AAA sources .. and .. cross check @ least with 2 other AAA sources

otherwise, one can copy & past all kind of nonsense

but, not to let you go free, think of this :

1953, CIA from American embassy in Iran overthrows democratically elected Iranian prime minister, CIA causes murder of 50,000 most patriot Iranian sons (a la Pinochet) and CIA/Savak/Mossad run Iran for 28 yrs terrorizing Iran .. all this no terrorism


WiKi : Hossein Fatemi


Dr. Hossein Fatemi Biography



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but

Holding American (so called) diplomats (harmless) for 444 days to prevent them to pull another "encore" on Iranian Nation is terrorism

well, DOC, seems water flowing uphill in your world


Consider this as Salvador Allende taking back the power in Chile .. or Che Guevara coming back from grave :lol:



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Re: Nuclear Disarmament

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Crocus sativus wrote:
Alexis wrote:Israel, just like India or Pakistan, is not a party to the NPT which it did not sign.
It is therefore not linked by any of its provisions.

That is international law 101... :)

Yes, true

but

Israel a member of United Nation

and

United nations can say, sign or else
Yes, United nations could say that, just like it could say it to India or to Pakistan.
But it would be without any basis in international law: those three nations do not have to respect the provisos of a Treaty they did not sign.

Note that these three nations could also propose to sign the NPT... as new Nuclear-armed States :mrgreen:
I doubt that India would oppose it, nor would Pakistan, and Israel might be talked into giving up its pretense of "we don't confirm we have nukes" which is getting rather old and is not fooling anybody.

But then, the others would not agree :lol: !
how come Iran signed and inspectors 24/7 supervising all, but under vicious sanctions
Several countries, including but not limited to USA, have strong suspicions no matter warranted or not that Iran is preparing nuclear weaponry. They asked the Iranian government for additional reassurances that no such military nuclear program existed (in practice, the additional NPT protocol providing further inspections), and the Iranian government chose not to provide these reassurances.

Note that Algeria -which has signed NPT- was also under suspicions (e.g. from Spain, Morocco, also USA) beginning of the 2000s that it could be secretly developing a military wing to its civilian nuclear program. The Algerian government however agreed to sign the additional NPT protocol, which cleared up the matter entirely, and Algeria is under no sanction at all.

:arrow: Nothing would prevent the Iranian government to follow Algeria's lead and provide convincing proof that their program is solely civilian.

:arrow: Alternatively they could follow North Korea's route, first retract from the NPT (this is permitted by this Treaty), then make a nuclear test.

The Iranian government has chosen to not do anything clear, to attempt staying in the grey zone. They are responsible for that decision.

This responsibility stands, irrespective of whether it is wise for US / Europe & Co. to put Iran under stringent economic sanctions, which policy for the record I completely oppose.

But the Iranian government could easily put the ambiguity to an end!

Which by the way I'm convinced would be better, both if the Algeria or also if the North Korea way was preferred.
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Re: Nuclear Disarmament

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Alexis wrote:
Crocus sativus wrote:
Alexis wrote:Israel, just like India or Pakistan, is not a party to the NPT which it did not sign.
It is therefore not linked by any of its provisions.

That is international law 101... :)

Yes, true

but

Israel a member of United Nation

and

United nations can say, sign or else
Yes, United nations could say that, just like it could say it to India or to Pakistan.
But it would be without any basis in international law: those three nations do not have to respect the provisos of a Treaty they did not sign.

Note that these three nations could also propose to sign the NPT... as new Nuclear-armed States :mrgreen:
I doubt that India would oppose it, nor would Pakistan, and Israel might be talked into giving up its pretense of "we don't confirm we have nukes" which is getting rather old and is not fooling anybody.

But then, the others would not agree :lol: !
how come Iran signed and inspectors 24/7 supervising all, but under vicious sanctions
Several countries, including but not limited to USA, have strong suspicions no matter warranted or not that Iran is preparing nuclear weaponry. They asked the Iranian government for additional reassurances that no such military nuclear program existed (in practice, the additional NPT protocol providing further inspections), and the Iranian government chose not to provide these reassurances.

Note that Algeria -which has signed NPT- was also under suspicions (e.g. from Spain, Morocco, also USA) beginning of the 2000s that it could be secretly developing a military wing to its civilian nuclear program. The Algerian government however agreed to sign the additional NPT protocol, which cleared up the matter entirely, and Algeria is under no sanction at all.

:arrow: Nothing would prevent the Iranian government to follow Algeria's lead and provide convincing proof that their program is solely civilian.

:arrow: Alternatively they could follow North Korea's route, first retract from the NPT (this is permitted by this Treaty), then make a nuclear test.

The Iranian government has chosen to not do anything clear, to attempt staying in the grey zone. They are responsible for that decision.

This responsibility stands, irrespective of whether it is wise for US / Europe & Co. to put Iran under stringent economic sanctions, which policy for the record I completely oppose.

But the Iranian government could easily put the ambiguity to an end!

Which by the way I'm convinced would be better, both if the Algeria or also if the North Korea way was preferred.

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Alexis ,

FYI

when Khatami was president of Iran, for 4 yrs he implemented and kept to "additional NPT protocol", suspended all nuclear activity, and proposed to America to settle everything including Israel affair .. this not secret, was reported and discussed openly

AND ? ?

was sanction lifted ? ?

NO

That was @ the time when Iran helping America in Iraq and Afghanistan

AND ? ?

was sanction lifted ? ?

NO

instead , Iran was vilified by Bush, his Zionist (agent) speechwriter coined Iran as axes of evil

Look, Alexis

If Iran would stop all nuclear activity, America would come with another issue to push Iran

Iranian danger for west is not nuclear bomb, Pakistan has many.

Iranian danger for west is, Iran is pulling the chair, one by one, from beneath American world domination .. U$ pretty much in toilet, Arab cronies pretty much done, American lion losing the hairs

and

Iran considers itself a great nation and civilization, Iranian hemisphere is 300+ million people, in many aspect and respect to become soon superior to many western countries .. who the genuflect is anybody to tell Iran do this or don't

Nuclear technology is just one case, Iran will research and advance in any technology Iranian nation decides to, already excelling in some .. Iran generating world class scientist in all fields, soon will lead in many disciplines, and, will try to lead Arab countries in the same direction

Re nuclear weapon, India, Pakistan and Israel .. yes, they have not signed NPT, but Iran can exit NPT and will soon .. what is the benefit of NPT for Iran ? ? Iran does not get any benefit from NPT anymore, NPT says Iran should be given the fuel for medical reactor, but west does not comply, so Iran produces itself .. meaning no benefit for Iran being in NPT , so Iran will exit NPT once certain things in place

Reason Iran not producing nuclear weapon is not because Iran scared of west .. reason is, for what Iran has in mind, Iran does not need nuclear weapon, to execute Iran's agenda nuclear weapon is counterproductive .. how so ? .. Iran wants to gather ME nations, Turks, Arabs, central Asians and and and for a European style united ME, similar like EWG Europeans had and later with defense alliance like NATO .. for that Iran needs good-will of those nations .. an "nuclear weapon Iran" would be counter productive for that agenda

but

A nation with technology of controlled nuclear reaction, has already the technology of "uncontrolled" (meaning bomb) technology .. meaning, top Iranian nuclear scientist said in clip I posted, Iran can produce nuclear bomb in shortest time if needed



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Crocus sativus wrote:
Doc wrote:WHY? Why are you lobbing soft balls Azari?

http://www.radicalislam.org/threat/iran ... red-terror
Iran is the single largest state sponsor of terror in the world. All too many of the world's major terrorist attacks during the last 30 years can be traced back to Iran.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_s ... uard_Corps
Iran and state terrorism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In 1995, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard held a conference with worldwide organizations accused of engaging in terrorism including the Japanese Red Army, the Armenian Secret Army, the Kurdistan Workers' Party, the Iraqi Da'wah Party, the Islamic Front for the Liberation of Bahrain and Hezbollah in Beirut for the sole purpose of providing training to these organizations supposedly to help in the destabilization of Gulf States and aid assistance to militants in these countries to replace the existing governments with Iran-like regimes.[3]
Ministry of Intelligence and Security

Iran is believed to use the Ministry of Intelligence and Security to gather intelligence to plan terrorist attacks. The ministry is believed to use liaison activities with supported terrorist groups and Islamic fundamentalist movements. The ministry itself is believed to carry out some terrorism mostly directed at political dissidents.[7]
In July 2012, the United States State Department released a report on terrorism around the world in 2011. The report states that "Iran remained an active state sponsor of terrorism in 2011 and increased its terrorist-related activity" and that "Iran also continued to provide financial, material, and logistical support for terrorist and militant groups throughout the Middle East and Central Asia." The report states that Iran has continued to provide "lethal support, including weapons, training, funding, and guidance, to Iraqi Shia militant groups targeting U.S. and Iraqi forces, as well as civilians," despite pleding to support the stabilization of Iraq, and that the Qods Force provided training to the Taliban in Afghanistan on "small unit tactics, small arms, explosives, and indirect fire weapons, such as mortars, artillery, and rockets." The report further states that Iran has provided weapons and training to the Assad regime in Syria which has launched a brutal crackdown on Syrian rebels, as well as providing weapons, training, and funding to Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command, among others, and has assisted in rearming Hizballah. The report states as well that Iran has remained unwilling to bring to justice senior members of Al Qaeda that it continued to detain, and also refused to publicly identify these senior members, as well as that Iran has allowed Al Qaeda members to operate a core facilitation pipeline through Iranian territory, which has enabled Al Qaeda to carry funds and move facilitators and operatives to South Asia and elsewhere.[9][10][11]
Partial list of Iranian government sponsored or encouraged terrorist attacks:

http://www.ncr-iran.org/fr/actualites/t ... cks-abroad
No Date Description of act
1 Nov 4,
1979
66 American diplomats were taken hostage and held for 444 days in Tehran
2 Nov 20,
1979
Seizure of Grand Mosque in Mecca, which ended in blood
3 April 18,
1983
A truck loaded with explosives blew up in front of the American embassy in Beirut. 63 were killed and 120 more were injured. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
4 Oct. 23,
1983 The headquarters of the U.S. Marines in Beirut was destroyed in a suicide attack .242 dead, 80 seriously wounded. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
5 Oct. 23,
1983 The headquarters of French troops in Beirut was destroyed in a suicide attack. 58 were killed. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
6 August
1983 An Air France 747 jumbo jet was hijacked after it took off from Vienna airport en route to Tehran. The plane was blown up by the hijackers on the tarmac of Tehran's Mehrabad airport.
7 March 16,
1984 William Buckley, political officer at U.S. embassy in Beirut, was abducted He was secretly taken to Tehran, where he was killed in 1985. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
8 April 12,
1984 Eighteen U.S. servicemen were killed, and 83 people were injured in a bomb attack on a restaurant near a U.S. Air Force Base in Torrejon, Spain. Responsibility was claimed by Hizballah.
9 Dec. 3,
1984 Peter Kilburn, a librarian at the American University of Beirut, was abducted by Iran's terrorist surrogates. He was killed in 1986.
10 May 22, 1985 Michel Seurat, a French writer, was kidnapped by mad mullahs' agents in Lebanon. He was murdered three years later by the hostage-takers.
11 June 14,
1985 A TWA 727 Boeing was hijacked en route Rome - Athens and was diverted to Beirut. One of the passengers on board who was a diver in the US Navy was executed on the plane by the hijackers.
12 1985 Two bombs planted in two restaurants in Kuwait resulted in the death of 10 people and the injury of 80.
13 Nov. 9,
1985 French police discovered a suitcase containing machineguns, handguns, grenades and bullets in the luggage of Iran Air crew in Roissy Airport.
14 Feb. 7,
1986 German police announced that two suspected Iranian terrorists abandoned their car and fled after they were pursued by the police. Their car had been used in previous terrorist attacks in France and weapons and documents were discovered in the car
15 March 18,
1986 Tunisian authorities announced that a terrorist group linked with Iran had been uncovered and 20 of its members had been arrested. The group called itself Hizbollah Al-Mokhtar
16 Aug. 28,
1986 A large quantity of explosives, plastic bombs and weapons were discovered in the luggage of Iranian "pilgrims" arriving in Saudi Arabia for the annual Hajj pilgrimage. Saudi police arrested 100 of the undercover agents sent by the mad mullahs' regime
17 September
1986 A wave of bombings in public places shocked Paris. Fouad Ali Saleh was convicted of killing 12 and injuring hundreds. He was arrested in March 1987 while transferring explosives into a car in Paris.
18 July 1987 A DC-10 plane belonging to Air Afrique was hijacked by terrorists of the mad mullahs' regime. During the hijacking of the plane a French passenger was killed in Vienna airport. Then-President of Switzerland said Iranian government was responsible
19 August 1,
1987 Iranian regime's agents staged a riot in Mecca during the Moslem annual Haj pilgrimage as part of a wider plan to destabilize the Saudi regime. The Saudi government said 402 persons were killed and 650 were wounded. 85 Saudi policemen were among the dead.
20 August 1,
1987 Embassies of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait in Tehran were occupied by government-organized mobs and a diplomat was killed.
21 Feb 17,
1988 U.S. Marine Corps Lt. Col. W. Higgins was kidnapped and murdered by the Iranian-backed Hizballah group while serving with the United Nations Truce Supervisory Organization (UNTSO) in southern Lebanon.
22 April 5,
1988 A Kuwaiti 747 jumbo jet was hijacked in Bangkok and landed in Mashad, eastern Iran. One of mad mullahs' terrorists of Lebanese origin boarded the plane in Iran and led the terrorist operation. During 15-day ordeal, two passengers were killed by hijackers.
23 December
22, 1988 Pan Am flight 103 exploded in mid-air over Lockerbie in Scotland.
24 May 27,
1989 Turkish daily Hurriyet reported that a 14-man group trying to infiltrate into Turkey from Iran to carry out terrorist attacks had been arrested. The group's leader, Esmat Kamal, had been involved in the assassination of a Saudi diplomat in Ankara.
25 July 31,
1989 Colonel William Higgins, an American officer working for the United Nations in Lebanon, was abducted and executed by the Iranian regime's agents. A video recording of his hanging was given to international news agencies.
26 1989 During Muslim annual Haj pilgrimage, three bombs were exploded around the holy site of Mecca. Scores of people were injured.
27 Febrary
1989 Khomeini's religious decree to kill Salman Rushdie, an Indian born British author for writing Satanic Verses.
28 Dec.23,
1989 Mehrdad Kowkabi, an Iranian, was charged with attempted arson of a London bookshop and planning a bomb attack in connection with Salman Rushdie
29 Jan.30,
1990 French Television Channel 1 broadcast an interview with Lotfi Ben-Khala, a terrorist agent who was trained in Iran. He said the mad mullahs planned a terrorist attack on a French nuclear facility that would have resulted in 10,000 deaths.
30 July 3,
1991 The Italian translator of the Satanic Verses was stabbed and injured. The assailant said that he was an Iranian who was looking for Rushdie's whereabouts.
31 July 21,
1991
Prof. Hitoshi Igarashi, the Japanese translator of Satanic Verses, was stabbed to death
32 December
29, 1991
Following the arrest of one the mad mullahs' terrorists in Bern, the regime barred the employees of the Swiss embassy from leaving Tehran
33 March
1992 Relations between Bern and Tehran were severed after an Iranian terrorist was arrested in Switzerland. A Swiss businessman disappeared in Tehran. Later it was discovered that he had been taken hostage.
34 March 17,
1992 An attack against Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires resulted in the death of 20 and the injury of 250 people.
35 Nov. 21,
1992 French police announced the arrest of two Iranians involved in several assassinations in Europe
36 Dec. 29,
1992 Palestinian President Yasser Arafat told Egypt's parliament that Iranian regime finances HAMAS, Islamic Jihad and other radical groups and recently paid them 30 million dollars.
37 January 27,
1993 Turkish Interior Minister said a terrorist network linked with the Iranian regime carried out the assassination of Turkish journalist, Ugur Mumcu.
38 January 27,
1993 Turkish police arrested a group of Turkish Hezbollah members, who were trained in Iran, and charged them with the killing of Hikmet Cettin, a Turkish journalist
39 April 25,
1993 New York Times reported that at least 100,000 dollars had been deposited in the account of the prime suspects of the World Trade Center bombing. The money primarily came from Iran
40 July 8,
1993
Egyptian security forces arrested 165 Islamic fundamentalists. Two of them had been trained in a terrorist training center in Mashad, eastern Iran.
41 October 11,
1993 The Norwegian publisher of Salman Rushdie's book, Willian Nigaard, was hit with three bullets from the back in an unsuccessful assassination attempt
42 June 2,
1994 AFP reported that U.S. intelligence officials said Iran has secretly planted 400 members of the Revolutionary Guards in Bosnia in order to set up terrorist cells in the former Yugoslavia.
43 June 3,
1994 Hossein Shahriarifar, an Iranian terrorist, was arrested along with two other Iranians in Thailand on charges of plotting to carry out a suicide attack on Israel embassy in Bangkok. The truck was stopped by police as he was driving to the embassy.
44 July 6,
1994 Reuters reported that the Filipino government has arrested an agent of the Iranian regime named Hosseini on charges of providing financial support for Abu Sayyaf group.
45 July 15,
1994 The foreign ministry of Venezuella announced that it had declared four Iranian diplomats persona non grata and asked them to leave the country after they were implicated in the attempted abduction of an exiled Iranian.
46 July 18,
1994
Attack against the Jewish Community Center in Buenos Aires led to the killing of 26 and the injury of 127 people. Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin blamed the bombing on the Iranian regime
47 July 31,
1994 Panama announced that two Iranians and a Lebanese had been arrested in connection with the bombing of an airliner on July 19.
48 May 7,
1995 Swedish government expeled to suspects from this country for having terrorist conspiracies. The mad mullahs' regime take advantage of extrimist groups for its terrorist goals.
49 August
1995
Germany expelled two Iranian diplomats. The mad mullahs' embassy in Bonn intended to dispatch a terrorist team to disrupt the Dortmund meeting in which Mrs. Maryam Rajavi was due to make a speech
50 August 21,
1995 Jerusalem bus attack: Hamas claimed responsibility for the detonation of a bomb that killed six and injured over 100 persons, including several U.S. citizens.
51 May 23,
1996 Palestinian President Yasser Arafat said: "A clandestine group intended to assassinate me. They acted upon a religious decree from Iran"
52 June 5,
1996 The interior Minister of Bahrain exposed a plan to topple the ruling family by fundamentalist Shiites. The leader of the group, Ali Kazem Almottaqavi, had been living in Iran since 1983. He was led by Brigadier Ahmad Sharifi of Revolutionary Guards
53 June
1996
Government of Bahrain announces discovery of a local Hizbollah terrorist cell, whose members were trained and sponsored by the Iranian regime
54 March 3,
1996 A powerful bomb exploded in Bethlehem by agents of the mad mullahs' regime
55 March 13,
1996 The leader of a fundamentalist terrorist group in Turkey was arrested by police. He admitted that he was given weapons by mad mullahs' embassy in Ankara to assassinate an anti-fundamentalist Turkish author
56 April 10,
1996
Four diplomats of the mad mullahs' regime in Turkey were expelled because of their role in the assassination of Ms. Zahra Rajabi and a Turkish intellectual
57 May 13,
1996 The Iranian Resistance exposed a plan by the mad mullahs' Intelligence Ministry to attack the residence of Mrs. Maryam Rajavi, the Resistance's president-elect, in a Paris suburb.
58 Sept 24,
1996 An Iranian diplomat was arrested and later explled by the government of Tajikistan for his role in export of fundamentalism and terrorism to this country.
59 February 2,
1997 Turkish government expelled an Iranian diplomat for active involvement in exporting fundamentalism and terrorism to Turkey
60 February
2,1997 Terrorists were trained in Imam Sadeq training base near Qom. They were flown to a third country from Tehran in spring 1996. They were transferred to Saudi Arabia and implemented their plans.
61 October
12,1998 A government-affiliated institution raised its bounty for Rushdie's head to 2.8 million dollars.
62 August
23,1999 The written testimony of Argentina's vice-president to the judiciary of this country cited evidence pointing to Iranian regime's role in the bombing a Jewish Community Center in Buenos Aires in July 1994.
Iranian sponsored or encourage terror activities through Jan 2005

http://www.iranterror.com/content/view/38/56/


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DOC , the net is full of rubbish ,

so

please spare your and my time and ONLY use AAA sources .. and .. cross check @ least with 2 other AAA sources

otherwise, one can copy & past all kind of nonsense

but, not to let you go free, think of this :

1953, CIA from American embassy in Iran overthrows democratically elected Iranian prime minister, CIA causes murder of 50,000 most patriot Iranian sons (a la Pinochet) and CIA/Savak/Mossad run Iran for 28 yrs terrorizing Iran .. all this no terrorism


WiKi : Hossein Fatemi


Dr. Hossein Fatemi Biography



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but

Holding American (so called) diplomats (harmless) for 444 days to prevent them to pull another "encore" on Iranian Nation is terrorism

well, DOC, seems water flowing uphill in your world


Consider this as Salvador Allende taking back the power in Chile .. or Che Guevara coming back from grave :lol:
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Consider this: There is no such things as "so called diplomats" under the Geneva conventions.

But here you go Azari US- Iranian relations 1906-2002

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... /cron.html

BTW I Personally know folks that supported Allende and took political asylum in Canada. They don't have anything against Jews or Israelis.
"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros
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Crocus sativus wrote:when Khatami was president of Iran, for 4 yrs he implemented and kept to "additional NPT protocol", suspended all nuclear activity, and proposed to America to settle everything including Israel affair .. this not secret, was reported and discussed openly

AND ? ?

was sanction lifted ? ?

NO
I looked it up and found this:
In May 2003, shortly after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, elements of the Iranian government of Mohammad Khatami made a confidential proposal for a "Grand Bargain" through Swiss diplomatic channels. It offered full transparency of Iran's nuclear program and withdrawal of support for Hamas and Hezbollah, in exchange for security assurances from the United States and a normalization of diplomatic relations.
(...)
On 21 October 2003, in Tehran, the Iranian government and EU-3 Foreign Ministers issued a statement known as the Tehran Declaration in which Iran agreed to co-operate with the IAEA, to sign and implement an Additional Protocol as a voluntary, confidence-building measure, and to suspend its enrichment and reprocessing activities during the course of the negotiations. The EU-3 in return explicitly agreed to recognize Iran's nuclear rights and to discuss ways Iran could provide "satisfactory assurances" regarding its nuclear power program, after which Iran would gain easier access to modern technology. Iran signed an Additional Protocol on 18 December 2003, and agreed to act as if the protocol were in force, making the required reports to the IAEA and allowing the required access by IAEA inspectors, pending Iran's ratification of the Additional Protocol.

The IAEA reported 10 November 2003, that "it is clear that Iran has failed in a number of instances over an extended period of time to meet its obligations under its Safeguards Agreement with respect to the reporting of nuclear material and its processing and use, as well as the declaration of facilities where such material has been processed and stored." Iran was obligated to inform the IAEA of its importation of uranium from China and subsequent use of that material in uranium conversion and enrichment activities. It was also obligated to report to the IAEA experiments with the separation of plutonium. However, the Islamic Republic reneged on its promise to permit the IAEA to carry out their inspections and suspended the Additional Protocol agreement outlined above in October 2005.

A comprehensive list of Iran's specific "breaches" of its IAEA safeguards agreement, which the IAEA described as part of a "pattern of concealment," can be found in the 15 November 2004, report of the IAEA on Iran's nuclear program. Iran attributes its failure to report certain acquisitions and activities on US obstructionism, which reportedly included pressuring the IAEA to cease providing technical assistance to Iran's uranium conversion program in 1983.
The Iranian government made that overture during less than two years (not four), this after having failed "over an extended period of time to meet its obligations". However, they did not put to practice their promise to allow the IAEA to carry out inspections, even during those two years.

As for the causes for these repeated "breaches" during that two years overture period, well Iran accuses the USA.
(And I guess the USA accuse Iran)

Look, I remember Colin Powell's infamous lies in front of the whole Security Council so as to prop up the US invasion of Iraq. But the fact that the US government routinely lies does not mean it is the only one able to do so... And the Iranian government has more than once been caught red-handed.

No wonder that so many countries have so strong suspicions regarding the Iranian nuclear program being only civilian, as it should as long as Iran remains a party to the NPT.

If Iran would stop all nuclear activity, America would come with another issue to push Iran
Maybe. Maybe not. And even if the USA were trying to push for another issue so as to argue maintaining the economic sanctions... do you think it would be just so easy for them?

Nuclear is an issue in the eyes of most foreign countries, because the Iranian government repeatedly breached its obligations. This offered an AVENUE for propaganda from US forces opposing Iranian interests. It's as if the Iranian government was making it easy for anti-Iranian forces to convince most countries to maintain and reinforce economic sanctions against Iran!

Even if the USA did not change their attitude one inch after Iran signed the additional protocol and permitted inspections without any further breach, Iran would still be a winner because the US anti-Iranian forces would find it so much more difficult to convince others to maintain the sanctions.

Maintaining defiance about the nuclear issue is therefore a clear and stark loss to Iranian interests. Algerians did not make that error.

Unless... unless there is something to hide.

Iran wants to gather ME nations, Turks, Arabs, central Asians and and and for a European style united ME, similar like EWG Europeans had and later with defense alliance like NATO .. for that Iran needs good-will of those nations .. an "nuclear weapon Iran" would be counter productive for that agenda
Such an agenda is even more reason to demonstrate without doubt that Iran has only a civilian nuclear program!

One more reason for Iran being a winner if it gives that demonstration and signs the NPT additional protocol, even if USA do not change anything afterwards.

If Iran's nuclear program is only civilian, that is...

Re nuclear weapon, India, Pakistan and Israel .. yes, they have not signed NPT, but Iran can exit NPT and will soon .. what is the benefit of NPT for Iran ? ?
(...)
top Iranian nuclear scientist said in clip I posted, Iran can produce nuclear bomb in shortest time if needed
This is the other possible way for clarification.

When Iran exits the NPT, it will signal openly that its nuclear program has a military dimension. It may make a nuclear test afterwards, but even without this, other nations will assume that Iran has built its first nukes.

One way or the other, the charade has lasted for so many years now, and resulted in much difficulties for Iranian population.
:arrow: The Iranian government should end it at last!
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Re: Nuclear Disarmament

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Alexis wrote:
Crocus sativus wrote:when Khatami was president of Iran, for 4 yrs he implemented and kept to "additional NPT protocol", suspended all nuclear activity, and proposed to America to settle everything including Israel affair .. this not secret, was reported and discussed openly

AND ? ?

was sanction lifted ? ?

NO
I looked it up and found this:
In May 2003, shortly after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, elements of the Iranian government of Mohammad Khatami made a confidential proposal for a "Grand Bargain" through Swiss diplomatic channels. It offered full transparency of Iran's nuclear program and withdrawal of support for Hamas and Hezbollah, in exchange for security assurances from the United States and a normalization of diplomatic relations.
(...)
On 21 October 2003, in Tehran, the Iranian government and EU-3 Foreign Ministers issued a statement known as the Tehran Declaration in which Iran agreed to co-operate with the IAEA, to sign and implement an Additional Protocol as a voluntary, confidence-building measure, and to suspend its enrichment and reprocessing activities during the course of the negotiations. The EU-3 in return explicitly agreed to recognize Iran's nuclear rights and to discuss ways Iran could provide "satisfactory assurances" regarding its nuclear power program, after which Iran would gain easier access to modern technology. Iran signed an Additional Protocol on 18 December 2003, and agreed to act as if the protocol were in force, making the required reports to the IAEA and allowing the required access by IAEA inspectors, pending Iran's ratification of the Additional Protocol.

The IAEA reported 10 November 2003, that "it is clear that Iran has failed in a number of instances over an extended period of time to meet its obligations under its Safeguards Agreement with respect to the reporting of nuclear material and its processing and use, as well as the declaration of facilities where such material has been processed and stored." Iran was obligated to inform the IAEA of its importation of uranium from China and subsequent use of that material in uranium conversion and enrichment activities. It was also obligated to report to the IAEA experiments with the separation of plutonium. However, the Islamic Republic reneged on its promise to permit the IAEA to carry out their inspections and suspended the Additional Protocol agreement outlined above in October 2005.

A comprehensive list of Iran's specific "breaches" of its IAEA safeguards agreement, which the IAEA described as part of a "pattern of concealment," can be found in the 15 November 2004, report of the IAEA on Iran's nuclear program. Iran attributes its failure to report certain acquisitions and activities on US obstructionism, which reportedly included pressuring the IAEA to cease providing technical assistance to Iran's uranium conversion program in 1983.
The Iranian government made that overture during less than two years (not four), this after having failed "over an extended period of time to meet its obligations". However, they did not put to practice their promise to allow the IAEA to carry out inspections, even during those two years.

As for the causes for these repeated "breaches" during that two years overture period, well Iran accuses the USA.
(And I guess the USA accuse Iran)

Look, I remember Colin Powell's infamous lies in front of the whole Security Council so as to prop up the US invasion of Iraq. But the fact that the US government routinely lies does not mean it is the only one able to do so... And the Iranian government has more than once been caught red-handed.

No wonder that so many countries have so strong suspicions regarding the Iranian nuclear program being only civilian, as it should as long as Iran remains a party to the NPT.

If Iran would stop all nuclear activity, America would come with another issue to push Iran
Maybe. Maybe not. And even if the USA were trying to push for another issue so as to argue maintaining the economic sanctions... do you think it would be just so easy for them?

Nuclear is an issue in the eyes of most foreign countries, because the Iranian government repeatedly breached its obligations. This offered an AVENUE for propaganda from US forces opposing Iranian interests. It's as if the Iranian government was making it easy for anti-Iranian forces to convince most countries to maintain and reinforce economic sanctions against Iran!

Even if the USA did not change their attitude one inch after Iran signed the additional protocol and permitted inspections without any further breach, Iran would still be a winner because the US anti-Iranian forces would find it so much more difficult to convince others to maintain the sanctions.

Maintaining defiance about the nuclear issue is therefore a clear and stark loss to Iranian interests. Algerians did not make that error.

Unless... unless there is something to hide.

Iran wants to gather ME nations, Turks, Arabs, central Asians and and and for a European style united ME, similar like EWG Europeans had and later with defense alliance like NATO .. for that Iran needs good-will of those nations .. an "nuclear weapon Iran" would be counter productive for that agenda
Such an agenda is even more reason to demonstrate without doubt that Iran has only a civilian nuclear program!

One more reason for Iran being a winner if it gives that demonstration and signs the NPT additional protocol, even if USA do not change anything afterwards.

If Iran's nuclear program is only civilian, that is...

Re nuclear weapon, India, Pakistan and Israel .. yes, they have not signed NPT, but Iran can exit NPT and will soon .. what is the benefit of NPT for Iran ? ?
(...)
top Iranian nuclear scientist said in clip I posted, Iran can produce nuclear bomb in shortest time if needed
This is the other possible way for clarification.

When Iran exits the NPT, it will signal openly that its nuclear program has a military dimension. It may make a nuclear test afterwards, but even without this, other nations will assume that Iran has built its first nukes.

One way or the other, the charade has lasted for so many years now, and resulted in much difficulties for Iranian population.
:arrow: The Iranian government should end it at last!

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Alexis ,

What I posted, in general, is correct

but ,

seems to me

things misunderstood

Iran, like Japan, Germany, Brazil and and and, wants, among others, have overcome "ALL ASPECTS" of nuclear technology, INCLUDING NUCLEAR WEAPON TECHNOLOGY (Japan has that, Germans have that, Brazilians have that), but not produce nuclear weapon (same as Germans and Japanese and Brazilians, they too signed NPT) .. they enrich up to 99.5% , Iran wants and will do that too

Iran has been the victim of America, Brits, French, Russia, Ottoman, Arabs and and and .. and .. wants to have a nuclear CAPABILITY .. that is what Iranian nation wants .. Shah, Ayatollahs same policy because that is what Iranian nation wants

and

Iranian nation has come to conclusion, history attests to that, that west has evil intention and that is why uses nuclear as excuse to weaken and hold back Iran in its progress

in that sense, all you says above do not play a role .. issue not nuclear, but much more than that

Last 33 yrs, not a single American got a bloody noise by Iran .. but Pakistan does behead live on TV .. so, is Nuclear Iran worst or nuclear Pakistan, but they your friend and you deliver them nuclear capable F-16 (to bomb whom?)

Iran already nuclear capable .. built or not built a bomb only depends whether Iran feels threatened by west

ball in west's corner


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http://www.globalresearch.ca/europe-s-f ... ates/17550
Belgium, Germany, The Netherlands, Italy and Turkey: ”Undeclared Nuclear Weapons States”
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Crocus sativus wrote:Iran, like Japan, Germany, Brazil and and and, wants, among others, have overcome "ALL ASPECTS" of nuclear technology, INCLUDING NUCLEAR WEAPON TECHNOLOGY (Japan has that, Germans have that, Brazilians have that), but not produce nuclear weapon (same as Germans and Japanese and Brazilians, they too signed NPT)
Japan, Germany, like so many others, have signed and put into force the NPT additional protocol.
Brazil signed in its place a Quadripartite agreement that covers many measures of the NPT additional protocol.

These countries do master all the nuclear fuel cycle.
Their governments did not think it a danger to their technological mastery of nuclear cycle to provide assurances that they were not actually building nuclear weapons.

Iranian government has refused for more than a decade to provide such assurances, at great cost to Iran's reputation as well as to welfare of Iranian population.

Like already explained in length in my previous posts: either these Iranian government types are VERY stupid, or they have a good reason not to provide assurances that countries which master the whole nuclear cycle have found easy to give.

Iranian nation has come to conclusion, history attests to that, that west has evil intention and that is why uses nuclear as excuse to weaken and hold back Iran in its progress
(...)
Iran already nuclear capable .. built or not built a bomb only depends whether Iran feels threatened by west
If the Iranian government indeed has good reason not to provide assurances that they are not actually building nuclear weapons, then the only legitimate way to act is to now exit the NPT. That's what the North Korean government did, and North Korea is not exactly the most US- nor Western-aligned country, don't you think?

Not only is Iranian government policy to not exit openly NPT disingenuous and in fact a policy of lying, it is also counter-productive: Iran as a result gets all the drawbacks of nuclear weapons, without the advantages that they provide:
- Economic sanctions against Iran are maintained
- But Iran is not protected by an operational deterrent force

So the population and the country's reputation suffer, while remaining open to a threat of armed aggression which would be removed if Iran had even just a dozen operational nukes and had tested a couple times. The worst of both worlds!

A stupid policy, no other word for it.
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noddy wrote:http://www.globalresearch.ca/europe-s-f ... ates/17550
Belgium, Germany, The Netherlands, Italy and Turkey: ”Undeclared Nuclear Weapons States”
The article is absurd: the fact that the USA store nuclear bombs on bases located in other countries does not give these countries the ability to perform nuclear strikes. :roll:

It is true that German pilots train to deliver such bombs within NATO operations, but Germans could get these weapons only if the US released them for use.

The only way for Germany to get those bombs without the US releasing them voluntarily would be to storm the places where they are located. That's politically a little bit difficult to imagine : we're speaking German soldiers killing US ones in sneak attacks without prior declaration of war in order to steal nuclear bombs... And the US have certainly put physical safeguards in place "just in case".

As for these extracts:
While Germany is not categorized officially as a nuclear power, it produces nuclear warheads for the French Navy. (...) Moreover, The European Aeronautic Defense and Space Company – EADS , a Franco-German-Spanish joint venture, controlled by Deutsche Aerospace and the powerful Daimler Group is Europe’s second largest military producer, supplying .France’s M51 nuclear missile.
More uninformed absurdity:
1. French nuclear weapons are produced in France by a public structure where no foreigner has any stake
2. EADS is a European joint venture (not controlled by Germans by the way :lol: France and Germany have equal stake), but the part of Astrium (member of EADS group) which produces M51 is under special "French-only" rules. The level of security over there is such that very few people are authorized to enter... and obviously no foreigner :lol: !
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fair call - i didnt do due diligence and check the site for frootloopery , i grabbed the first google link in my search.
my main driver was that of all the countries in the world that dont have nukes, germany doesnt spring to mind as one that couldnt quickly if it indeed needed them.

several other countries are also in this boat and unless they want to nuke an american ally they could have them immediately.. for the correct price and failing that, they could produce them reasonably quickly.

my roundabout way of saying that its hard to put genies back into bottles and disamament calls are symbolic nonsense for those that like hearing such.
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noddy wrote:my main driver was that of all the countries in the world that dont have nukes, germany doesnt spring to mind as one that couldnt quickly if it indeed needed them.

several other countries are also in this boat and unless they want to nuke an american ally they could have them immediately.. for the correct price and failing that, they could produce them reasonably quickly.
You are definitly right. Many countries do not have nuclear weapons for the sole reason that they took the political decision not to develop them.

Germany and Italy used to have a nuclear weapons program in the 1950s.
Japan obviously is in that category.
Sweden's nuclear weapon program was stopped by Parliament decision in the 1960s while they were reaching the time of first test.
Switzerland used to have such a program.
South Africa built a handful of nukes, then dismantled them in the 1990s.
Brazil and Argentina decided by mutual consent that they would both refrain from actually building nukes.
...and on, and on

Note that the Treaty banning nuclear tests would enter into force, by its own text, only after having been ratified by a specific list of 44 countries.
(not all of them did ratify it, therefore it is not into force)

That list of 44 includes the 9 countries generally thought to have nuclear weapons of course... it includes also 35 others :mrgreen:

An interesting number, don't you think? That's probably close to the number of States which would not find it too difficult to build nukes, however do not do so because they don't think it in their interest...
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Nice Nuke Program If IRan Iran........

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Alexis wrote:
Crocus sativus wrote:Iran, like Japan, Germany, Brazil and and and, wants, among others, have overcome "ALL ASPECTS" of nuclear technology, INCLUDING NUCLEAR WEAPON TECHNOLOGY (Japan has that, Germans have that, Brazilians have that), but not produce nuclear weapon (same as Germans and Japanese and Brazilians, they too signed NPT)
Japan, Germany, like so many others, have signed and put into force the NPT additional protocol.
Brazil signed in its place a Quadripartite agreement that covers many measures of the NPT additional protocol.

These countries do master all the nuclear fuel cycle.
Their governments did not think it a danger to their technological mastery of nuclear cycle to provide assurances that they were not actually building nuclear weapons.

Iranian government has refused for more than a decade to provide such assurances, at great cost to Iran's reputation as well as to welfare of Iranian population.

Like already explained in length in my previous posts: either these Iranian government types are VERY stupid, or they have a good reason not to provide assurances that countries which master the whole nuclear cycle have found easy to give.

Iranian nation has come to conclusion, history attests to that, that west has evil intention and that is why uses nuclear as excuse to weaken and hold back Iran in its progress
(...)
Iran already nuclear capable .. built or not built a bomb only depends whether Iran feels threatened by west
If the Iranian government indeed has good reason not to provide assurances that they are not actually building nuclear weapons, then the only legitimate way to act is to now exit the NPT. That's what the North Korean government did, and North Korea is not exactly the most US- nor Western-aligned country, don't you think?

Not only is Iranian government policy to not exit openly NPT disingenuous and in fact a policy of lying, it is also counter-productive: Iran as a result gets all the drawbacks of nuclear weapons, without the advantages that they provide:
- Economic sanctions against Iran are maintained
- But Iran is not protected by an operational deterrent force

So the population and the country's reputation suffer, while remaining open to a threat of armed aggression which would be removed if Iran had even just a dozen operational nukes and had tested a couple times. The worst of both worlds!

A stupid policy, no other word for it.
Thank you VERY Much for your post, Alexis.
A stupid policy, no other word for it.
Seconded.

Especially when accompanied by Saying Stupid Stuff about powers that ARE Nuke Armed...... Great Satan, Little Satan, We will Rain Fire on You, Holocaust Denial etc........

IMVHO the Best Persian Policy might be and which I would do if IRan ;) Persia would be to announce that Persia was Proposing to Produce Mini-Nukes for a Peaceful Space Program to Protect all Chaos Monkey Mankind from Meteors like the Tunguska Comet & the KT Boundary Big Rock.........

Naturally the Israeli Chaos Monkeys and Uz Chaos Monkeys are NOT going to believe this but might have a hard time justifying attacking the Iran Iran ;) if Iran was going Orion to save Man & Woman Chaos Monkey Kind.........

Probably would have to Put their Space Programs on Orion Brand Steroids......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Or ... pulsion%29

They Know Better than to Trust Even Persian Peacock Paladins with the sole ability to Deflect :D or Direct High Kinetic Energy Weapons :wink: oops I mean Space Rocks......

And of course Iran would have whatever protection having nukes gives a nation.......

And Iran Iran Persia, Israel, Uz and any other wise tech savvy Chaos Monkey Gangs ;) oops I mean Nations Who Go and Do Likewise Would be able to set up Sustainable Space Colonies So that Gang Members ;) oops I mean Citizens of and the Various Cultures would have a chance of Surviving if Things Still Go BAD on the Third Rock........
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Re: Nuclear Disarmament

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Alexis wrote:
Crocus sativus wrote:Iran, like Japan, Germany, Brazil and and and, wants, among others, have overcome "ALL ASPECTS" of nuclear technology, INCLUDING NUCLEAR WEAPON TECHNOLOGY (Japan has that, Germans have that, Brazilians have that), but not produce nuclear weapon (same as Germans and Japanese and Brazilians, they too signed NPT)
Japan, Germany, like so many others, have signed and put into force the NPT additional protocol.
Brazil signed in its place a Quadripartite agreement that covers many measures of the NPT additional protocol.

These countries do master all the nuclear fuel cycle.
Their governments did not think it a danger to their technological mastery of nuclear cycle to provide assurances that they were not actually building nuclear weapons.

Iranian government has refused for more than a decade to provide such assurances, at great cost to Iran's reputation as well as to welfare of Iranian population.

Like already explained in length in my previous posts: either these Iranian government types are VERY stupid, or they have a good reason not to provide assurances that countries which master the whole nuclear cycle have found easy to give.

Iranian nation has come to conclusion, history attests to that, that west has evil intention and that is why uses nuclear as excuse to weaken and hold back Iran in its progress
(...)
Iran already nuclear capable .. built or not built a bomb only depends whether Iran feels threatened by west
If the Iranian government indeed has good reason not to provide assurances that they are not actually building nuclear weapons, then the only legitimate way to act is to now exit the NPT. That's what the North Korean government did, and North Korea is not exactly the most US- nor Western-aligned country, don't you think?

Not only is Iranian government policy to not exit openly NPT disingenuous and in fact a policy of lying, it is also counter-productive: Iran as a result gets all the drawbacks of nuclear weapons, without the advantages that they provide:
- Economic sanctions against Iran are maintained
- But Iran is not protected by an operational deterrent force

So the population and the country's reputation suffer, while remaining open to a threat of armed aggression which would be removed if Iran had even just a dozen operational nukes and had tested a couple times. The worst of both worlds!

A stupid policy, no other word for it.


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Poor Qaddafi , poor Qaddafi

look, Alexis

if Iran, right today, eliminates any nuclear activity whatsoever, sends all Iranian scientist into exile to US .. and and and .. nothing will change in regards western attitude towards Iran

No, West can not pull a Qaddafi or Saddam on Iran .. Iran too big and too powerful for that

but

West will not only not lift sanction, but tighten it

reason for that is, and I am keeping saying and saying this, the mortal danger for west is not Iranian nuclear bomb, but Iran is leading the uprising of all ME , Arab, Central Asia and and and .. add to this Africa and South America

So, if Iran gives away it's nukes, as Qaddafi did, West will tighten sanction on Iran to weaken and weaken, paralyze Iran .. West considers Iran's success a retreat of west in all strategic issues, rightly so

Iran offered to sign the additional protocol, but west would not lift sanction

so

what Iran will do ?

Iran will disengage from West, from SWIFT, from western insurance for tankers, from western services and turn towards east and built a parallel services competing with SWIFT and and and

Iran already doing this resulting in weakening of western grip

Look, Congo, very poor African nation, but has the most strategic minerals in the world (+ diamond & Gold & copper and you name it they have it), controlled by a Zionist from Israel .. that has to be changed .. these things what Iran working at .. nuclear stuff already done deal

in that sense, Alexis, Iran issue much bigger than nuclear stuff .. that is why America/West does not care about Paki nukes .. Iran in reality the new age Ernesto "Che" Guevara, the new Saladin .. Iran, unchecked could change world we know today .. that is the beauty of all this :D :D :lol:


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I Want Iran to Have Nuke Bombs & WANT Iran to use for Orion.

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Crocus sativus wrote:
Alexis wrote:
Crocus sativus wrote:Iran, like Japan, Germany, Brazil and and and, wants, among others, have overcome "ALL ASPECTS" of nuclear technology, INCLUDING NUCLEAR WEAPON TECHNOLOGY (Japan has that, Germans have that, Brazilians have that), but not produce nuclear weapon (same as Germans and Japanese and Brazilians, they too signed NPT)
Japan, Germany, like so many others, have signed and put into force the NPT additional protocol.
Brazil signed in its place a Quadripartite agreement that covers many measures of the NPT additional protocol.

These countries do master all the nuclear fuel cycle.
Their governments did not think it a danger to their technological mastery of nuclear cycle to provide assurances that they were not actually building nuclear weapons.

Iranian government has refused for more than a decade to provide such assurances, at great cost to Iran's reputation as well as to welfare of Iranian population.

Like already explained in length in my previous posts: either these Iranian government types are VERY stupid, or they have a good reason not to provide assurances that countries which master the whole nuclear cycle have found easy to give.

Iranian nation has come to conclusion, history attests to that, that west has evil intention and that is why uses nuclear as excuse to weaken and hold back Iran in its progress
(...)
Iran already nuclear capable .. built or not built a bomb only depends whether Iran feels threatened by west
If the Iranian government indeed has good reason not to provide assurances that they are not actually building nuclear weapons, then the only legitimate way to act is to now exit the NPT. That's what the North Korean government did, and North Korea is not exactly the most US- nor Western-aligned country, don't you think?

Not only is Iranian government policy to not exit openly NPT disingenuous and in fact a policy of lying, it is also counter-productive: Iran as a result gets all the drawbacks of nuclear weapons, without the advantages that they provide:
- Economic sanctions against Iran are maintained
- But Iran is not protected by an operational deterrent force

So the population and the country's reputation suffer, while remaining open to a threat of armed aggression which would be removed if Iran had even just a dozen operational nukes and had tested a couple times. The worst of both worlds!

A stupid policy, no other word for it.


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Poor Qaddafi , poor Qaddafi

look, Alexis

if Iran, right today, eliminates any nuclear activity whatsoever, sends all Iranian scientist into exile to US .. and and and .. nothing will change in regards western attitude towards Iran

No, West can not pull a Qaddafi or Saddam on Iran .. Iran too big and too powerful for that

but

West will not only not lift sanction, but tighten it

reason for that is, and I am keeping saying and saying this, the mortal danger for west is not Iranian nuclear bomb, but Iran is leading the uprising of all ME , Arab, Central Asia and and and .. add to this Africa and South America

So, if Iran gives away it's nukes, as Qaddafi did, West will tighten sanction on Iran to weaken and weaken, paralyze Iran .. West considers Iran's success a retreat of west in all strategic issues, rightly so

Iran offered to sign the additional protocol, but west would not lift sanction

so

what Iran will do ?

Iran will disengage from West, from SWIFT, from western insurance for tankers, from western services and turn towards east and built a parallel services competing with SWIFT and and and

Iran already doing this resulting in weakening of western grip

Look, Congo, very poor African nation, but has the most strategic minerals in the world (+ diamond & Gold & copper and you name it they have it), controlled by a Zionist from Israel .. that has to be changed .. these things what Iran working at .. nuclear stuff already done deal

in that sense, Alexis, Iran issue much bigger than nuclear stuff .. that is why Iran in reality the new age Ernesto "Che" Guevara, the new Saladin .. Iran, unchecked could change world we know today .. that is the beauty of all this :D :D :lol:


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Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari.

I Want Iran to Have Nuclear Bombs and I WANT Iran to use them.... As Propellant for Orion Nuclear Rockets to set up a Meteor Deflection Program and to set up Persian Colonies in Outer Space.........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Or ... pulsion%29
America/West does not care about Paki nukes ..
Somewhat Wrong..... I do care and I think since the Fall of the Soviet Onion ;) oops I mean Union our politicians no longer have reason to foolishly try to balance PakRat Pakistan against the slightly Soviet leaning Elephants of India..... Think about it an Elephant that leans slightly can be a dangerous thing ;) :twisted: :shock:

But Orion could also be a good use for Pak Nukes and might get some heavy weight ;) Elephant Space Scientists Up There as India tries to keep up with the Neighbors from Hell ;) :twisted: Next Door......

Remembering the Late Great Chandrasekhar and the Discovery of the First Black Hole in Calcutta ;) :twisted: :lol: :roll:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandrasekhar_limit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hole_of_Calcutta

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighbors_from_Hell
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Germany and Japan eschewed nuclear weapons because they were under the US nuclear umbrella. Otherwise both would have developed them during the Cold War.
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Juggernaut Nihilism wrote:.

Germany and Japan eschewed nuclear weapons because they were under the US nuclear umbrella. Otherwise both would have developed them during the Cold War.

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true

nuclear umbrella means nuclear weapons stationed on their soil


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