Ibrahim wrote:Re-reading the entire thread, it seems like there are three main types of response.
1. "Ibs you're a hypocrite because you don't think its ok to hate blacks but you do think its ok to hate Americans even though its the same thing! Also, you're Muslim." Not really going to argue this one. Fine, I'm a total piece of lavender. Everybody wins. Moving on.
2. The people who have a problem with America really have no right to have a problem with America. Either its their own fault, or their are really just jealous and not miffed about murder/torture/rape, or other countries are worse so why pick on the poor lil' USA when they aren't even as bad as exhibit A. I guess this is the most fertile one to quibble over, and the most obvious response to criticism: invalidate the people making the criticism.
3. Most interestingly, nobody even touched on the idea that the US could stop doing the things that are so upsetting to people. Not even a discussion of their necessity or possible net benefits, just totally ignored. War has to happen and civilians have to die and why discuss it? The cognitive lock is so severe that no other option is even considered.
But this is actually my advice, and I don't see why its beneath consideration:
Stop killing civilians. Don't kill any more civilians. Just stop it. Stop killing civilians. What's the worst that could happen? Just stop.
Thank you Very Much for your post, Ibrahim.
But this is actually my advice, and I don't see why its beneath consideration:
Stop killing civilians. Don't kill any more civilians. Just stop it. Stop killing civilians. What's the worst that could happen? Just stop.
That can be a bit hard, Ibrahim....... Often rather hard to tell who is a harmless civilian and who is a full or part-time Jihadi........
The problem is that AIUI the Jihadi warriors usually do not wear military uniforms that say Al Queda/Caliphate identifying them as combatants......
One could possibly contend that wearing tribal robes & head dress and having a prayer bruise and/or hole in the forehead like Ayman Al Zawahiri be considered a uniform but I doubt that you would be pleased by US soldiers shooting people on just on that basis..........
But the problem goes beyond that......
The Jihadis have picked up Assasin habits........ They are quite willing to use Afghan Army Uniforms in order to get close enough to kill American and Afghan troops.....
They have been even willing to disguise themselves as Jet Airplane Student pilots in order to gain access to commercial Airliners and turn them into manned cruise missile to destroy skyscrapers in America if you remember September 11, 2001
To remedy this problem, my advice
is that you go to Afghanistan and other places of Muslim conflict with Infidels and persuade the Jihadis there to start wearing military uniforms.
Fluorescent orange would be best
but I would be satisfied with military khaki with suitable text identifying the wearer as a Jihadi Warrior Perp.
Also please get the Jihadis to stop trying to kill civilians either Muslim or Infidel: from Americans like they did on September 11, 2001 to that Pakistani girl shot on a school bus for advocating for education for girls.m
Do that and I expect the problem may be largely solved.......*
If on the other hand, you want American and Allied Troops to act like civilian policemen and wander around waiting for disguised Jihadi to ambush them while reading their Miranda rights to other suspects to be taken back to America for multimillion dollar trials like we did with the "20th 911 Hijacker and let the perp mock us meanwhile before being sent to expensive prison cell to wait for his buddies to take hostages to get him out...........
Well, that IMVHO should be a non-starter.........
Does this mean I advocate making Afghanistan a combo parking lot and toxic waste dump or droning away
till they are all dead......
No. It does not.......
I want to try something a bit more subtle........ Paying Afghan women to attend classes given in concealed carry of guns......... Teaching them that if they are assaulted or fear for their lives that they are justified in using deadly force......... Offering reward both monetary and in desired real goods for those who successfully defend themselves or their children.......
Will this work to change the male/female power equation to effectively neuter Islam as we know it in Afghanistan?.... Not sure......... But I think it is worth a try......
If Don't Ask Don't Tell is repealed, I might tempted to advocate having the gun instructors be chauvinist male hating lesbians but that might be too much like the sealed train the Germans used to get Lenin into Russia during WW1
What's the worst that could happen?
Hmmm...... Probably them smuggling in a Paki, Nork or Russian Mob Nuke or other WMD.....
911 on Steroids could be VERY BAD too......
If Osama had thought bigger, we might not be not
having this ghostly conversation.........
**Even if you don't succeed, I might write something nice about you to be used at your funeral.
AIUI some of those Jihadi types can be IDLH to anyone who gets near them insufficient Muslim or Infidel.
For the love of G_d, consider you & I may be mistaken.
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