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The new global axis of power

Postby Mr. Perfect » Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:31 am

With the US plummeting under Obama, the new global power centers are able to flex their muscle unhindered.

http://freebeacon.com/russia-china-hold ... war-games/

Pentagon intelligence agencies are closely watching Russian and Chinese war games now taking place in Europe and Asia involving tens of thousands of troops.

Meanwhile, NATO military forces are set to conduct large-scale maneuvers in November that will be designed to counter growing concerns of a westward Russian military encroachment, according to U.S. officials.

“The Russians are moving forces closer to Europe, and that is troubling,” said a military official.

Russia’s Zapad-13 military exercises in Belarus are scheduled to end Thursday. They included practice attacks on a western state, said one official familiar with reports of the maneuvers.

Some 13,000 Russian and Belarusian troops took part with over 60 aircraft and helicopters and up to 250 vehicles.

The forces practiced “rapid reaction” drills.

Russian officials recently denied Polish press reports that the Zapad-13 would include a notional nuclear attack on Warsaw. However, Russian officials have said the war games will involve practicing precision air and missile strikes.

On the Russian air base, Russian air force chief Lt. Gen. Vladimir Bondarev announced in June that the air base for Su-27 jets in Belarus would be opened near the city of Lida, near the border with Poland and Lithuania.

Bondarev said the warplanes would bolster a 1997 defense agreement between the two countries in response to NATO expansion.

It will be Russia’s first military base in Europe since the collapse of the Soviet Union, and along with it the Warsaw Pact, in 1991. Moscow currently has military bases in Armenia, Tajikistan, and Kyrgyzstan.

Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko has moved away from democracy and shifted the former Soviet republic away from Europe and toward Russia, restoring many symbols from Soviet Belarus.
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Re: The new global axis of power

Postby YMix » Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:23 am

USA holding war games... pretty much wherever it feels like it: <sound of mouse peeing on cotton>

Russia holds a war game in the backwater agrarian sh!thole of Belarus: OMG OBAMA IS DESTROYING THE USA THE GLOBAL AXIS OF POWER IS SHIFTING!

Meanwhile, NATO military forces are set to conduct large-scale maneuvers in November that will be designed to counter growing concerns of a westward Russian military encroachment, according to U.S. officials.


Moldova is about to sign the Association Agreement with the EU. Ukraine is considering the same course of action. Where exactly is the western encroachment? Is this one of those "Russia is doing something! Give the Pentagon more money!" articles? Welcome to Disingenuous US Media (an Absolutely No Responsibility Company)!
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Re: The new global axis of power

Postby Endovelico » Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:08 am

One way out of this potential confrontation situation would be for NATO to be disbanded and replaced by two independent defense alliances:

A Northern American one, with the US and Canada, and an European one, with all the EU countries plus Norway. Presumably the UK might want to join the North American alliance, rather than the European one, but that would be acceptable.
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Re: The new global axis of power

Postby Mr. Perfect » Fri Sep 27, 2013 3:21 pm

YMix wrote:USA holding war games... pretty much wherever it feels like it: <sound of mouse peeing on cotton>

Russia holds a war game in the backwater agrarian sh!thole of Belarus: OMG OBAMA IS DESTROYING THE USA THE GLOBAL AXIS OF POWER IS SHIFTING!

Meanwhile, NATO military forces are set to conduct large-scale maneuvers in November that will be designed to counter growing concerns of a westward Russian military encroachment, according to U.S. officials.


Moldova is about to sign the Association Agreement with the EU. Ukraine is considering the same course of action. Where exactly is the western encroachment? Is this one of those "Russia is doing something! Give the Pentagon more money!" articles? Welcome to Disingenuous US Media (an Absolutely No Responsibility Company)!

I didn't know you were this naive.
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Re: The new global axis of power

Postby YMix » Fri Sep 27, 2013 3:45 pm

Mr. Perfect wrote:I didn't know you were this naive.


Proof of encroachment or GTFO.
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Re: The new global axis of power

Postby Mr. Perfect » Fri Sep 27, 2013 5:07 pm

It helps to read the OP first.

“The Russians are moving forces closer to Europe, and that is troubling,” said a military official.
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Re: The new global axis of power

Postby YMix » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:27 pm

It would help if the OP was worth sh!t. What forces? Where? If a war game in Belarus is all that the "military official" has to show for it...

en·croach (µn-kr½ch“) intr.v. en·croached, en·croach·ing, en·croach·es. 1. To take another's possessions or rights gradually or stealthily: encroach on a neighbor's land. 2. To advance beyond proper or former limits: desert encroaching upon grassland.

Any western possessions or rights recently lost to the Russians or in imminent danger of being lost? Are Russian forces moving beyond the regions already under Russian control or friendly to them?
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Re: The new global axis of power

Postby Typhoon » Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:34 pm

YMix wrote:It would help if the OP was worth sh!t. What forces? Where? If a war game in Belarus is all that the "military official" has to show for it...

en·croach (µn-kr½ch“) intr.v. en·croached, en·croach·ing, en·croach·es. 1. To take another's possessions or rights gradually or stealthily: encroach on a neighbor's land. 2. To advance beyond proper or former limits: desert encroaching upon grassland.

Any western possessions or rights recently lost to the Russians or in imminent danger of being lost? Are Russian forces moving beyond the regions already under Russian control or friendly to them?


As much as Putin would like to re-establish a neo Soviet [Forced] Union, behind a new Iron Curtain, I would not bet any money on it happening.

Aside from vodka, I don't recall the last time that I bought something labelled "Made in Russia".

The rise of Russophilia in the US, especially among factions that once believed that Godless pinko commies were hiding under every bed, is nothing if not amusing.

As for China, my guess is that they will continue their thousand year tradition of snatching defeat from the jaws of the Dragon of Victory, due to culture of corruption.
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Re: The new global axis of power

Postby Mr. Perfect » Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:40 pm

Ymix, I understand that being an Obama apologist must be very hard these days, but it doesn't help to move goalposts around, I'm not sure that your definition of encroachment really bears on the issue of whether or not the Russia-China axis is rising whilst the Obama led America wuss Europe axis is plummeting. This action plus the actions in the UN viz Russia/Syria are both just the natural result of a change in the power structure. And it will continue.
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Re: The new global axis of power

Postby Mr. Perfect » Sat Sep 28, 2013 1:54 am

Typhoon wrote:As much as Putin would like to re-establish a neo Soviet [Forced] Union, behind a new Iron Curtain, I would not bet any money on it happening.

I don't think that is in play partly because it isn't even necessary.

Aside from vodka, I don't recall the last time that I bought something labelled "Made in Russia".

No kidding. Which makes what Putin is doing that much more remarkable.

The rise of Russophilia in the US, especially among factions that once believed that Godless pinko commies were hiding under every bed, is nothing if not amusing.

I don't think love is the right word, more like "impressed" Sort of like Dennis Rodman, a hard guy to like but you could not deny that he was very good at what he did (getting rebounds). Just professional respect of sorts. Subduing an American President with rhetoric alone, that's unbelievable. I still cant believe it.
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Re: The new global axis of power

Postby YMix » Sat Sep 28, 2013 6:57 am

Mr. Perfect wrote:Ymix, I understand that being an Obama apologist must be very hard these days, but it doesn't help to move goalposts around, I'm not sure that your definition of encroachment really bears on the issue of whether or not the Russia-China axis is rising whilst the Obama led America wuss Europe axis is plummeting. This action plus the actions in the UN viz Russia/Syria are both just the natural result of a change in the power structure. And it will continue.


There aren't any goalposts to move. You posted a dumb article, one that's light on facts and heavy on insinuation. And that isn't my definition of encroachment because I copied it from the American Heritage Dictionary. If you have a better one, let's see it. Although what the article actually says is:

growing concerns of a westward Russian military encroachment


I have growing concerns about the quality of the media products you consume, Mr. Perfect.
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Re: The new global axis of power

Postby YMix » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:04 am

Typhoon wrote:As much as Putin would like to re-establish a neo Soviet [Forced] Union, behind a new Iron Curtain, I would not bet any money on it happening.


And you would be right. Small diplomatic victories cannot hide the fact that the Russian Federation has little in the way of economic incentives to offer to Moldova, Ukraine, Georgia and others. The Poles are so scared of the Russians that they'd rather stick with the Germans, of all people.
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Re: The new global axis of power

Postby Heracleum Persicum » Sat Sep 28, 2013 5:10 pm

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Now, Russia more "capitalist" than America .. flat , low taxes .. cowboy everything goes business (and everything else) and economy

So

What is what's bothering America ? ? ?

Why NATO considering Russia as an "enemy" ? ? ?

That shows, Communism was just an excuse, to fool western Joe .. Oh those bad bad commis

Now, America more socialist than Russia or even Iran (Hi, Mr. Perfect)




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Re: The new global axis of power

Postby Typhoon » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:08 pm

YMix wrote:
Mr. Perfect wrote:Ymix, I understand that being an Obama apologist must be very hard these days, but it doesn't help to move goalposts around, I'm not sure that your definition of encroachment really bears on the issue of whether or not the Russia-China axis is rising whilst the Obama led America wuss Europe axis is plummeting. This action plus the actions in the UN viz Russia/Syria are both just the natural result of a change in the power structure. And it will continue.


There aren't any goalposts to move. You posted a dumb article, one that's light on facts and heavy on insinuation. And that isn't my definition of encroachment because I copied it from the American Heritage Dictionary. If you have a better one, let's see it. Although what the article actually says is:

growing concerns of a westward Russian military encroachment


I have growing concerns about the quality of the media products you consume, Mr. Perfect.


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Re: The new global axis of power

Postby Mr. Perfect » Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:47 am

YMix wrote:There aren't any goalposts to move. You posted a dumb article, one that's light on facts and heavy on insinuation.

Welcome to realpolitic. You are however rather late on the learning curve.

And that isn't my definition of encroachment because I copied it from the American Heritage Dictionary. If you have a better one, let's see it. Although what the article actually says is:

I have growing concerns about the quality of the media products you consume, Mr. Perfect.

Realpolitic doesn't need to rely on dictionary definitions, rather perceptions, insinuation and guesses, all which require what the nerds call "emotional intelligence", and those that lack emotional intelligence often get b!tchslapped because they see it coming far, far too late and then spend all kinds of time wondering what the heck happened as the world passes them by. It doesn't feel good, I'm sure.
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Re: The new global axis of power

Postby Mr. Perfect » Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:48 am

Heracleum Persicum wrote:.

Now, America more socialist than Russia or even Iran (Hi, Mr. Perfect)
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Re: The new global axis of power

Postby YMix » Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:35 am

Mr. Perfect wrote:Welcome to realpolitic. You are however rather late on the learning curve.


Ah, so believing every dumb article is dabbling in realpolitik? That explains a lot about you.
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Re: The new global axis of power

Postby Mr. Perfect » Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:46 am

Nah, what's happening to obama right now is realpolitic. Boy, it hurts.

But yes, this article dovetails nicely with what Putin is doing to obama. It's a natural result.
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Re: The new global axis of power

Postby Demon of Undoing » Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:23 pm

For the record, the porky Russian lady hasn't been up for four days, has not been immersed in 55 degree seawater for 6 hours at a time, done head first pushups in the breakers, rolled in the sand and had 400 lb inflatable rubber boats fall on her.

Just sayin'.
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Re: The new global axis of power

Postby YMix » Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:35 pm

Demon of Undoing wrote:For the record, the porky Russian lady hasn't been up for four days, has not been immersed in 55 degree seawater for 6 hours at a time, done head first pushups in the breakers, rolled in the sand and had 400 lb inflatable rubber boats fall on her.

Just sayin'.


For the record, when those soldiers are done with boot camp, they get R&R. The Russian lady gets R&R only when she's too old to lift the log and even then, there's plenty of work for her to do.
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Re: The new global axis of power

Postby noddy » Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:16 am

Demon of Undoing wrote:For the record, the porky Russian lady hasn't been up for four days, has not been immersed in 55 degree seawater for 6 hours at a time, done head first pushups in the breakers, rolled in the sand and had 400 lb inflatable rubber boats fall on her.

Just sayin'.


really depends on how drunk hubby and the kids got - she may have.

as for the topic, the decline started with bush and has accelerated with obama and america might aswell be isolationist from now on because the big stick is looking rather floppy.

the consequences may well be ugly -its hard to see the rising powers not pushing boundaries with each other.
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Re: The new global axis of power

Postby Mr. Perfect » Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:04 am

Some people are really fighting the last wars. All new rules now.
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Re: The new global axis of power

Postby Typhoon » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:27 pm

Mr. Perfect wrote:Some people are really fighting the last wars. All new rules now.

If I had 100 Yen for every time I read this, then I'd be retired a long time ago.
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Re: The new global axis of power

Postby Typhoon » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:34 pm

Mr. Perfect wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:.

Now, America more socialist than Russia or even Iran (Hi, Mr. Perfect)
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When you're right you're right Azari.

American socialism, so-called, is infinitely preferable to Russian autocratic kleptocratic capitalism.

To some, the grass is always greener over some other neighbour's septic system.
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Re: The new global axis of power

Postby Ibrahim » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:40 am

Demon of Undoing wrote:For the record, the porky Russian lady hasn't been up for four days, has not been immersed in 55 degree seawater for 6 hours at a time, done head first pushups in the breakers, rolled in the sand and had 400 lb inflatable rubber boats fall on her.

Just sayin'.


The boys in green are cashing a government paycheque, whereas the Russian lady is probably self-employed. Another example of statism and socialism weakening and infantilizing people.
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