9/11-type terror allegations resurface in case of lost plane

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Re: 9/11-type terror allegations resurface in case of lost p

Postby kmich » Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:21 pm

This whole terrible business has been one of incompetence, confusion, and major cover your butt efforts by Malaysian officials, as well as a complete absence of coordination by the nations of the region. It is unfortunate that such prosaic stupidity will likely spawn conspiracy theories for generations to come. There will be various leads, some enticing and some false, as well as many theories and scenarios as to what happened, but nothing will ever be decided and the investigation will likely remain open for many years.

I do not believe that they will ever find that plane unless a miracle happens. It would be virtually impossible to hide a 777 if it landed or crashed onto land. If it hit the water, which is far more likely, there is just too much territory to cover and too much time since the plane likely entered the water. If Flight 370 crashed into the ocean, what debris that has not sunk already has drifted hundreds of miles by now from the entry site. Some debris will likely wash up on shore sometime in the future perhaps confirming the plane's fate but not shedding much light on what really happened.

I don't know what happened, and no one really does, but people will likely make stuff up to feed their own political agendas and paranoid fantasies.

I feel bad for the families.

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Re: 9/11-type terror allegations resurface in case of lost p

Postby Mr. Perfect » Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:59 am

CNN goes full retard (could it be a wormhole?). Remember, these are the people most of you allow to dictate your innermost thoughts and feeling. This is the kind of intellect you submit to. Also this is the best ratings for CNN since the war, so expect wall to wall no information plane coverage indefinitely.

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Re: 9/11-type terror allegations resurface in case of lost p

Postby Simple Minded » Thu Mar 20, 2014 12:46 pm

Typhoon wrote:
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If one applies William of Ockham's Razor, the answer keeps coming up ... Aliens!


I have to disagree. It is Rapture Rupture(tm).

I'm just the messenger, it's in the bible.


Shirely, you jest! Everyone knows the Bible is full of references to Aliens. Unless of course you're an Alien charged with the cover up......

But hey, I'll play along.

Deploying Ockham's Tweezers: There never was a flight MH370. It is all an NSA hoax to convince everyone that the world is still a big scarey place, and beg the NSA to spend more on monitoring so none of us ever have to let go of Mommy's apron strings!

NSA spokesperson: "If we all had transponders surgically implanted at birth, there never would be any missing airplanes or children.... or AGW!"
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Re: 9/11-type terror allegations resurface in case of lost p

Postby Mr. Perfect » Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:23 am

I think we're down to one last explanation.

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Re: 9/11-type terror allegations resurface in case of lost p

Postby Simple Minded » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:58 am

Mr. Perfect wrote:I think we're down to one last explanation.

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I'm assuming this is a picture of George W. Bush......
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Re: 9/11-type terror allegations resurface in case of lost p

Postby Mr. Perfect » Sat Mar 22, 2014 1:59 am

I guess though you can't rule out the Koch Brothers.
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Re: 9/11-type terror allegations resurface in case of lost p

Postby noddy » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:57 am

this is going to be a very amusing story when it finally all comes out, its flatout absurd that all the millitary radars around this region saw nothing even if the public ones didnt.
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Re: 9/11-type terror allegations resurface in case of lost p

Postby Typhoon » Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:29 pm

Aviat Week | Routine Data Analysis Helped Inmarsat Pinpoint MH370's Path

A key calculation done by Inmarsat was determining the “Doppler shift” in the ping, or the slight change in the frequency of the signal caused by the movement of the aircraft relative to the satellite in space.

“From that process – a compression or an expansion of the wavelengths – you can determine whether the aircraft is getting closer or farther away,” McLaughlin explains. “It’s been a groundbreaking but traditional mathematics-based process that was then peer-reviewed by others in the space industry, and indeed contributed to by Boeing.”


Physics finds the flight path.

“Based on the new analysis, Inmarsat and AAIB have concluded that MH370 flew along the southern corridor, and that its last position was in the middle of the southern Indian Ocean, west of Perth,” Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said March 24.

The location is both “remote” and “far from any possible landing sites,” he continued. “It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean.”
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Re: 9/11-type terror allegations resurface in case of lost p

Postby Heracleum Persicum » Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:37 pm

Typhoon wrote:
Physics finds the flight path.




Doppler effect ? ? ? :lol:

comparing it with other planes signal ? ?

come on

Chinese want to see the data

Looks to me reality something else

if so, they might reposition debris
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Re: 9/11-type terror allegations resurface in case of lost p

Postby Typhoon » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:07 pm

Heracleum Persicum wrote:
Typhoon wrote:
Physics finds the flight path.



Doppler effect ? ? ? :lol:

comparing it with other planes signal ? ?



Suggest that you reread the article, learn some basic physics, and then provide a reasoned critique, if you can come up with one.

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Chinese want to see the data



Just got off the phone with the Chinese authorities, did you?

Heracleum Persicum wrote:Looks to me reality something else

if so, they might reposition debris


Some clever, physics based, detective work on the part of the engineers at Inmarsat has determined the final location of the flight to within the resolution available from the data analysis.

As to why a routine flight rerouted and flew to one of the most remote parts of the planet before running out of fuel and crashing, I'll leave that up to the conspiracy theorists.
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Re: 9/11-type terror allegations resurface in case of lost p

Postby Heracleum Persicum » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:33 pm

didn't read the article you refer to but watched to 2 interviews with Inmarsat VP .. and .. read an article about how (supposedly) Inmarsat came to the conclusion plane flow to that direction

http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/03/21/sa ... a-airliner

they saying, comparing the signal of Malaysian plane to other planes flying (in that location) to north and to south, using "Doppler Effect", they conclude plane went south

Malaysian airliner’s path ultimately tracked by satellite pings’ Doppler shift

Using a scientific model based on the Doppler shift in signals from MH377 (another Malaysian Airlines' flight) and other aircraft following similar routes, engineers at Inmarsat were able to narrow the area of search for the missing aircraft to an area in the Indian ocean west of Perth, Australia.


Chinese said they want to see the data .. widely reported in media .. http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/25 ... ssing-jet/

A Senior Chinese official has demanded Malaysia to turn over satellite data it used to conclude that a missing airliner has crashed in the Indian Ocean.

Chinese Deputy Foreign Minister Xie Hangsheng told Malaysia’s ambassador to Beijing that China wanted to know exactly what led the Kuala Lumpur government to announce that the plane has plunged in the ocean.

“We demand the Malaysian side to make clear the specific basis on which they come to this judgement,” Xie said during an urgent meeting with Malaysian Ambassador Iskandar Sarudin in Beijing.


and

colonel,

don't 4get, Azari no Turkish Taxi driver in Munich, but Diplom-Ingenieur ETH, same place Einstein was .. and .. Azari a pilot since 1966, flown all over the world with 2000+ hrs (fly float plane too )

IMHO, this Malaysian plane story all fishy , from A to Z .. not a single thing rimes
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Postby monster_gardener » Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:08 pm

Typhoon wrote:
Simple Minded wrote:

If one applies William of Ockham's Razor, the answer keeps coming up ... Aliens!


I have to disagree. It is Rapture Rupture(tm).

I'm just the messenger, it's in the bible.


Thank You VERY Much for your post and Maintaining the Forum.

When one thinks about it..... G_d could be considered an Alien..... :idea:

Likewise the Devil...... :shock:

And Jesus G_d's means of getting an anchor/passport baby on Earth..... ;)

Preparatory to a Divine Invasion......


Hat Tips to C.S. Lewis and the Late Great ;) Phillip K. Dick........

And Phillip José Farmer.... with Jesus on Mars ;) & his journey 'Toward the Beloved City'.....



Note: Recalling a old rumor On the Radio ;) that the real purpose of RayGun's ;) oops I mean Reagan's Star Wars program was to shoot down a Divine Invasion as well as Russian/Chinese missiles.....
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Re: 9/11-type terror allegations resurface in case of lost p

Postby Heracleum Persicum » Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:31 am

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. . using principles of the so-called Doppler effect, named after 19th-century Austrian physicist Christian Doppler, who explored how movement can alter a signal profile.


The idea was to look at the velocity of the aircraft relative to the satellite. Depending on this relative movement, the frequency received and transmitted differs from its normal value in the same way that the sound of a passing train changes as it approaches and then moves away.

About half a dozen engineers and scientists analyzed the difference between the frequency that the ground station expects to receive and that was actually measured. They then compared the analysis with the flights of other Boeing 777s that had traveled on both the north and south arcs to see which patterns matched up.


Data Pings

The teams, meeting in the glass-coated Inmarsat headquarters that borders London’s financial district, also used Boeing data on aircraft performance to see where the Doppler effect would result in a pattern that matched the data from Flight 370, McLaughlin said. Boeing, based in Chicago, declined to comment.

Inmarsat was set up in 1979 as an intergovernmental organization to provide satellite communications for ships. It operates three constellations of 10 satellites in geostationary orbit 35,786 kilometers (22,200 miles) above the Earth.

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Authorities said today that Inmarsat would keep working to whittle down the search area.



Doppler-effect, in best case scenario, only would say whether the plane was moving "away" or "towards" the satellite (maybe also the speed of) .. but .. it will have no indication of distance
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Re: 9/11-type terror allegations resurface in case of lost p

Postby Mr. Perfect » Wed Mar 26, 2014 3:57 am

I don't know why anyone would believe anything coming from the Malaysian government.
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Re: 9/11-type terror allegations resurface in case of lost p

Postby Heracleum Persicum » Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:02 am

Mr. Perfect wrote:I don't know why anyone would believe anything coming from the Malaysian government.


seconded :lol:
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Re: 9/11-type terror allegations resurface in case of lost p

Postby Typhoon » Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:21 pm

Heracleum Persicum wrote:.


. . using principles of the so-called Doppler effect, named after 19th-century Austrian physicist Christian Doppler, who explored how movement can alter a signal profile.


The idea was to look at the velocity of the aircraft relative to the satellite. Depending on this relative movement, the frequency received and transmitted differs from its normal value in the same way that the sound of a passing train changes as it approaches and then moves away.

About half a dozen engineers and scientists analyzed the difference between the frequency that the ground station expects to receive and that was actually measured. They then compared the analysis with the flights of other Boeing 777s that had traveled on both the north and south arcs to see which patterns matched up.


Data Pings

The teams, meeting in the glass-coated Inmarsat headquarters that borders London’s financial district, also used Boeing data on aircraft performance to see where the Doppler effect would result in a pattern that matched the data from Flight 370, McLaughlin said. Boeing, based in Chicago, declined to comment.

Inmarsat was set up in 1979 as an intergovernmental organization to provide satellite communications for ships. It operates three constellations of 10 satellites in geostationary orbit 35,786 kilometers (22,200 miles) above the Earth.

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Authorities said today that Inmarsat would keep working to whittle down the search area.



Doppler-effect, in best case scenario, only would say whether the plane was moving "away" or "towards" the satellite (maybe also the speed of) .. but .. it will have no indication of distance


The flight path had previously been constrained to an arc.

The Doppler shift was used to determined direction of motion along the arc.
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Re: 9/11-type terror allegations resurface in case of lost p

Postby Heracleum Persicum » Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:46 pm

Typhoon wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:.


. . using principles of the so-called Doppler effect, named after 19th-century Austrian physicist Christian Doppler, who explored how movement can alter a signal profile.


The idea was to look at the velocity of the aircraft relative to the satellite. Depending on this relative movement, the frequency received and transmitted differs from its normal value in the same way that the sound of a passing train changes as it approaches and then moves away.

About half a dozen engineers and scientists analyzed the difference between the frequency that the ground station expects to receive and that was actually measured. They then compared the analysis with the flights of other Boeing 777s that had traveled on both the north and south arcs to see which patterns matched up.


Data Pings

The teams, meeting in the glass-coated Inmarsat headquarters that borders London’s financial district, also used Boeing data on aircraft performance to see where the Doppler effect would result in a pattern that matched the data from Flight 370, McLaughlin said. Boeing, based in Chicago, declined to comment.

Inmarsat was set up in 1979 as an intergovernmental organization to provide satellite communications for ships. It operates three constellations of 10 satellites in geostationary orbit 35,786 kilometers (22,200 miles) above the Earth.

..

Authorities said today that Inmarsat would keep working to whittle down the search area.



Doppler-effect, in best case scenario, only would say whether the plane was moving "away" or "towards" the satellite (maybe also the speed of) .. but .. it will have no indication of distance


The flight path had previously been constrained to an arc.

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Am not sure how the flight path, southern and northern arc, was calculated .. to be able doing that, meaning calculating the distance of plane to the satellite at any time of sending the "ping", one must have "atomic clocks" calibrated to time of sending the "ping" and the satellite .. satellite run on 'atomic clock", but I`am not sure the plane sending the "Ping" is on "atomic clock"`(most probably not) .. distance Plane/satellite can only be calculated by "delta time" (same principle as GPS works at) .. else, am not sure how one could define those 2 arcs

BTW, the size of (Doppler) shift should indicate the speed-vector of the plane relative to the satellite, leading to plane's real ground speed (vector)
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Re: 9/11-type terror allegations resurface in case of lost p

Postby Nonc Hilaire » Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:57 pm

This is interesting. Israel has had an identical Malaysian Airlines 777 stored in Tel Aviv since 2013. Just different tail numbers.

http://www.phibetaiota.net/2014/03/berto-jongman-malaysian-airlines-identical-aircraft-has-been-in-hanger-in-israel-for-some-time/
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Re: 9/11-type terror allegations resurface in case of lost p

Postby Simple Minded » Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:07 pm

Nonc Hilaire wrote:This is interesting. Israel has had an identical Malaysian Airlines 777 stored in Tel Aviv since 2013. Just different tail numbers.

http://www.phibetaiota.net/2014/03/berto-jongman-malaysian-airlines-identical-aircraft-has-been-in-hanger-in-israel-for-some-time/


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Re: 9/11-type terror allegations resurface in case of lost p

Postby Nonc Hilaire » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:05 pm

Simple Minded wrote:
Nonc Hilaire wrote:This is interesting. Israel has had an identical Malaysian Airlines 777 stored in Tel Aviv since 2013. Just different tail numbers.

http://www.phibetaiota.net/2014/03/berto-jongman-malaysian-airlines-identical-aircraft-has-been-in-hanger-in-israel-for-some-time/


When in doubt, blaming it on the Joos, ensures you'll never have t eat at the lunch table alone...

The fact that an identical plane is stored in Israel is one of the few facts known in this incident. Why a security commentator would suggest the plane was hijacked and flown such an absurd distance is speculation.

From the article:
This information is very important because it fits neatly into the terror scenario presented by Israeli El Al “security expert” Issac Yeffet shortly after the Malaysian plane went missing. Yeffet suggested the missing plane had been hijacked to Iran and was being prepared for a terror attack. For the Israelis to have an identical plane in a hanger in Tel Aviv reveals why Yeffet presented such a scenario. He appears to have been setting the stage for a false-flag attack like 9-11, perhaps in Israel. If such an attack were to occur in Israel all the evidence would be in the hands of Israeli intelligence giving them complete control of the interpretation or narrative of the terror event.


It is not a case of blaming the Zionist government. It is a new fact which does put Mr. Yeffet's apparently absurd conspiracy theory in a new context. El Al security experts are not known for making crazy public statements, so the reason for Yeffet's bizarre conspiracy theory is a legitimate question.
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Re: 9/11-type terror allegations resurface in case of lost p

Postby Mr. Perfect » Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:25 pm

Nonc Hilaire wrote:This is interesting. Israel has had an identical Malaysian Airlines 777 stored in Tel Aviv since 2013. Just different tail numbers.

http://www.phibetaiota.net/2014/03/berto-jongman-malaysian-airlines-identical-aircraft-has-been-in-hanger-in-israel-for-some-time/

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.
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Re: 9/11-type terror allegations resurface in case of lost p

Postby Typhoon » Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:26 am

Nonc Hilaire wrote:
Simple Minded wrote:
Nonc Hilaire wrote:This is interesting. Israel has had an identical Malaysian Airlines 777 stored in Tel Aviv since 2013. Just different tail numbers.

http://www.phibetaiota.net/2014/03/berto-jongman-malaysian-airlines-identical-aircraft-has-been-in-hanger-in-israel-for-some-time/


When in doubt, blaming it on the Joos, ensures you'll never have t eat at the lunch table alone...

The fact that an identical plane is stored in Israel is one of the few facts known in this incident. Why a security commentator would suggest the plane was hijacked and flown such an absurd distance is speculation.


Boeing 777s are not exactly rare. There are a number of mundane reasons why GA Telesis might have such a plane at TLV.

Given that all evidence points to the missing plane being lost at sea in the Indian Ocean off of Perth, Australia,
its sudden reappearance as a human guided missile would raise more than a few eyebrows.
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Re: 9/11-type terror allegations resurface in case of lost p

Postby noddy » Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:11 am

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merkin tv managed to ballsup the "perth, indian ocean" quite amusingly.. they discovered a small country town in tasmania called perth much to the surprise of many australians.

the real perth (bottom left of the above picture) is busy trying to exploit this event for all it can right now and will be awfully dissapointed if/when its found and the attention dies down.
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Re: 9/11-type terror allegations resurface in case of lost p

Postby Simple Minded » Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:37 am

noddy wrote:Image

merkin tv managed to ballsup the "perth, indian ocean" quite amusingly.. they discovered a small country town in tasmania called perth much to the surprise of many australians.

the real perth (bottom left of the above picture) is busy trying to exploit this event for all it can right now and will be awfully dissapointed if/when its found and the attention dies down.


a plane goes missing, and then an entire city gets teleported to the other side of Stralia?

Wow! No matter how you slice it, it keeps coming back to aliens!
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Re: 9/11-type terror allegations resurface in case of lost p

Postby Typhoon » Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:06 am

noddy wrote:Image

merkin tv managed to ballsup the "perth, indian ocean" quite amusingly.. they discovered a small country town in tasmania called perth much to the surprise of many australians.

the real perth (bottom left of the above picture) is busy trying to exploit this event for all it can right now and will be awfully dissapointed if/when its found and the attention dies down.


:lol:

Have to admit I had never heard of Perth, Tasmania either.

I suppose one can blame the British and their lack of originality in repeatedly naming places in their former colonies after towns in the UK.
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