The Spread of the Caliphate: The [Wannabe] Islamic State

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Alexis wrote:Obama risks American lives to save the Yezidis. Why?

Having remarked the bizarre nature of that decision given the context, Dmitry Orlov reviews the possible explanations (please look up the link)

I paste the conclusion only :mrgreen:
I propose three alternative explanations for this truly bizarre behavior.
1. Obama is secretly a devil-worshiper (makes total sense, right?)
2. Obama is trying to cause as many international crises as he can to generate lots of excuses for the entire financial house of cards collapsing under its own weight and the US economy shutting down
3. Obama is an durian
Now I smiled when reading the above, because I strongly suspect that option 1. will be irresistibly attractive to some of the regular posters here :lol: ...

Yes, Mr P.... MG.... I'm thinking of you ;)

As for me, I would guess option 2.

But well, 3. also is a possibility I guess.
I would go for 3 "B"

Having a guilty conscious for pulling the troops out of Iraq early, not supporting the Kurds, not recognizing what ISIS is, and in general making a fine mess.
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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9c6960aa-220f ... abdc0.html

Air strikes do little to impede progress of Isis in Iraq and Syria

By Sam Jones, Defence and Security Editor
An image taken from a propaganda video by Isis shows militants near the central Iraqi city of Tikrit©AFP

An image taken from a propaganda video by Isis shows militants near the central Iraqi city of Tikrit

US bombs may be falling once more on Iraq, but this week’s dramatic intervention belies a stark truth on the ground: the fightback against the Islamic State of Syria and the Levant, or Isis, has not begun. Indeed, it isn’t yet on the agenda.

Military analysts and the Pentagon itself admit that, while the use of military force two and a half years after the last American troops left Iraq, marks a turning point for the US, for the jihadist insurgency it barely marks a change in the direction of travel.

Around 20 strikes so far have achieved two short-term objectives: further advances by Isis into Kurdistan and the ensuing humanitarian disaster have been checked – although thousands of refugees remain stranded on a mountaintop – and Isis’ ability to manoeuvre freely without fear of the skies has been ended.

But the bigger questions over Isis’ growing power and how to curb it remain.

“We’ve had a very temporary effect,” lLieutenant-General Bill Mayville, director of operations at the US joint staff, said on Monday evening. “I in no way want to suggest that we have effectively contained or that we are somehow breaking the momentum of the threat posed by Isis.”

“They’re very well organised. They are very well equipped. They co-ordinate their operations. And they have thus far shown the ability to attack on multiple axes. This is not insignificant.”

The coming weeks and months will be critical in combating the Sunni insurgents. While the moves open to Baghdad and Washington are limited, the jihadis’ options are broad in range and scope.

Military analysts are beginning to parse Isis’ campaign objectives – many of which are well telegraphed in the group’s own internal propaganda materials, if not externally.

Isis’ attack on the Kurds – who only a month ago were described as a bastion of strength compared to the shambling, Baghdad-controlled regular army – fits a pattern of moves calculated to shock.

“Erbil was seen as a safe haven,” says John Drake, Iraq specialist at the private security and intelligence firm AKE. “It has a large foreign expatriate contingent; it has many oil industry workers and a large number of refugees. For Erbil to fall would not just be an embarrassment, it would be a disaster.”

Even for Erbil to be encroached upon, if not attacked, would cause “scenes of panic”, Mr Drake adds. And it is exactly such scenes that Isis’ past victories have in part depended on. “The psychological impact is very important to Isis in these battles. So many of their major gains have happened because their opponents have run away.”

Iraq map

But Isis’ Erbil offensive has not merely been about terror. It also fits into a broader objective of consolidating territory that has become the dominant driver of the group’s activities in the past two months.

“Isis is trying to establish a caliphate. And that caliphate has to have territorial integrity,” says Jessica Lewis, a former US military intelligence officer in Iraq and now research director at the Institute for the Study of War.

The offensive against the Kurds, Ms Lewis says, is designed to secure a deep hinterland for Isis around Mosul – the group’s financial and spiritual hub.

South-east of Mosul, the Great Zab river, which runs from the Iranian border into the Tigris, provides a natural boundary. Securing the two crossings at Kalak, on the road to Erbil, and Kuwayr, nearer the confluence with the Tigris, would be a boon to Isis’ geostrategic position. The group’s armour and new weaponry will be critical to this.

The group is now able to wield a large amount of sophisticated military equipment. Most of it has come from a string of victories in Syria, where Isis fighters have over-run several Syrian army bases, as well as from wiping out other rebel groups.

“Isis firepower has increased significantly,” says Ms Lewis – and the jihadis have displayed an ability to rapidly deploy it in concentrated amounts across their territory. “They are leveraging it immediately where they need it.”
"Isis is really good at attacking on one front to distract what they are doing or planning on another front"

- Jessica Lewis

Whether Isis’ Kurdish offensive succeeds or stalls, it is likely that the group’s leadership already has well-advanced plans for equally disruptive operations elsewhere across their sprawling territory.

“Isis is really good at attacking on one front to distract what they are doing or planning on another front,” notes Ms Lewis. He believes the group is operating at least seven “division-level” military systems independent of each other: Raqqa on the Euphrates in central Syria, eastern Syria, Anbar province in adjoining western Iraq, Mosul in northern Iraq, Baghdad in central Iraq, Diyala province in eastern Iraq, and southern Iraq.

In its broad, current strategy of consolidating ground, some objectives for those systems are clearer than others: only one significant Syrian army outpost now remains in Raqqa province, for example: the heavily fortified Tabqah air base.

In Iraq, meanwhile, Baghdad and other zones may come in for renewed attack.

“[Isis] follow a strategy of constant pressure,” according to one western intelligence official. “Just like AQI [al-Qaeda in Iraq, Isis’ predecessor organisation]. Their thinking still shares a lot with them.”

AQI’s modus operandi was to operate and co-ordinate attacks in terms of rings.

For a more entrenched Isis, secure around its two main cities, Syrian Raqqa and Iraqi Mosul, the focus may once more return southawards to Baghdad, and the belt of sensitive Shia shrines surrounding it, not to mention the oil refinery at Baiji. All these sites would make for attractive targets – not least in seeking to exacerbate the vulnerabilities of prime minister-designate Haider al-Abadi’s new and fragile coalition government
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Good excuse for US exercise of force. The Maliki resistance is not unrelated.

HP: about these Yezidi guys and their peacock god. The Shah used to have pretensions about a 'Peacock Throne'. What is the relationship?
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Nonc Hilaire wrote:Good excuse for US exercise of force. The Maliki resistance is not unrelated.

HP: about these Yezidi guys and their peacock god. The Shah used to have pretensions about a 'Peacock Throne'. What is the relationship?
Thank You Very Much for your post Nonc Hilaire.....
about these Yezidi guys and their peacock god.
Basically the idea is what would happen if Lucifer Satan the Devil or some similar Angel repented/claimed to have repented & been forgiven by G_D.....

Melek Taus (Arabic: مَلَك طَاوُوس‎), translated in English as Peacock Angel is the Yazidi name for the central figure of their faith in the Yazidi religion. In their belief system, God created the world and entrusted it to the care of a Heptad of seven Holy Beings, often known as Angels or heft sirr (the Seven Mysteries). Preeminent among them is Tawûsê Melek (frequently known as "Melek Taus" in English publications), the Peacock Angel.[1]

Like many aspects of the secretive Yazidi religion, Malak Ṭāʾus subject to varied and ambiguous interpretations. The Yazidi Book of Revelation (Ketēbā Jelwa), an early twentieth-century text written by non-Yazidis but based on their oral tradition,[2] is purported to contain the words of Malak Ṭāʾus; it states that he allocates responsibilities, blessings and misfortunes upon humanity as he sees fit and that it is not for the race of Adam to question his choices.[2]

.................

The Yazidi consider Tawûsê Melek an emanation of God and a good, benevolent angel who has redeemed himself from his fall and has become a demiurge who created the cosmos from the Cosmic egg. After he repented, he wept for 7,000 years, his tears filling seven jars, which then quenched the fires of hell. Yazidis, believe Tawûsê Melek is not a source of evil or wickedness. They consider him to be the leader of the archangels, not a still fallen or still disgraced angel, but a forgiven one and an emanation of God himself. They also hold that the source of evil is in the heart and spirit of humans themselves, not in Tawûsê Melek. Yazidis believe that good and evil both exist in the mind and spirit of human beings. It depends on the humans, themselves, as to which they choose. In this process, their devotion to Tawûsê Melek is essential, since it was he who was given the same choice between good and evil by God, and chose the good.

The Yazidi believe that the founder of their religion, Sheikh Adi Ibn Musafir, was an incarnation of Tawûsê Melek.
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I suppose it is human to seek order by fabricating religious, political, or geopolitical rationales within chaos, but it can be misguided and lead to disastrous policies.

Anarchy and state collapse form a fertile ground for psychopaths, those who are the meanest bastards with the most guns and muscle and the most minimal conscience. Such people are selected for in conditions of economic and social collapse, and such conditions vomit up all kinds of unsavory characters aspiring to leadership.

From the odious political and military leaders that arose after the collapse of Yugoslavia in the 90’s to those in today’s Iraq and Libya. Religion and political ideology form assorted rationalizations for crimes, but are not primarily causal. External powers may try to exploit the situation, usually with bad results, only fueling the flames of chaos, courting blowback and the like.
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kmich wrote:I suppose it is human to seek order by fabricating religious, political, or geopolitical rationales within chaos, but it can be misguided and lead to disastrous policies.

Anarchy and state collapse form a fertile ground for psychopaths, those who are the meanest bastards with the most guns and muscle and the most minimal conscience. Such people are selected for in conditions of economic and social collapse, and such conditions vomit up all kinds of unsavory characters aspiring to leadership.

From the odious political and military leaders that arose after the collapse of Yugoslavia in the 90’s to those in today’s Iraq and Libya. Religion and political ideology form assorted rationalizations for crimes, but are not primarily causal. External powers may try to exploit the situation, usually with bad results, only fueling the flames of chaos, courting blowback and the like.
Indeed. If sociologists already have such a hard time explaining or even making basic sense of the web of complexity that is human culture and conflict... the often simple and one/directional explanations you find in politcal analysis let alone mushrooming public opinion is itself worrying when it drives important decision makers when they just looking for votes. But maybe bit by bit we are still learning.
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kmich wrote:I suppose it is human to seek order by fabricating religious, political, or geopolitical rationales within chaos, but it can be misguided and lead to disastrous policies.

Anarchy and state collapse form a fertile ground for psychopaths, those who are the meanest bastards with the most guns and muscle and the most minimal conscience. Such people are selected for in conditions of economic and social collapse, and such conditions vomit up all kinds of unsavory characters aspiring to leadership.

From the odious political and military leaders that arose after the collapse of Yugoslavia in the 90’s to those in today’s Iraq and Libya. Religion and political ideology form assorted rationalizations for crimes, but are not primarily causal. External powers may try to exploit the situation, usually with bad results, only fueling the flames of chaos, courting blowback and the like.
Thank You Very Much for your post, Kmich.

Religion and political ideology form assorted rationalizations for crimes, but are not primarily causal.
I'm not so sure about that.....

Depraved Sinful Egotistical Chaos Monkey Human Nature is the base....

But when True Believers get it in their heads that the Desert Moon & War god says to go conquer the world for him..

Or that blood and human hearts are needed to keep the Sun God moving across the sky....

Or even that the March of History is inexorable.....

Weird Bad things can happen....

People maiming, killing or letting themselves be killed or both... :shock: :twisted: :roll:

For just those reasons.....

Instead of just greed, lust etc.....

In more rational forms....
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kmich wrote:I suppose it is human to seek order by fabricating religious, political, or geopolitical rationales within chaos, but it can be misguided and lead to disastrous policies.

Anarchy and state collapse form a fertile ground for psychopaths, those who are the meanest bastards with the most guns and muscle and the most minimal conscience. Such people are selected for in conditions of economic and social collapse, and such conditions vomit up all kinds of unsavory characters aspiring to leadership.

From the odious political and military leaders that arose after the collapse of Yugoslavia in the 90’s to those in today’s Iraq and Libya. Religion and political ideology form assorted rationalizations for crimes, but are not primarily causal. External powers may try to exploit the situation, usually with bad results, only fueling the flames of chaos, courting blowback and the like.
The common theme seems to be failed states and "psychopaths"(not sure they are exactly a clinical definition of). Mostly the "psychopaths" are people that don't seem to be able to adapt to the modern world very well. More like hunter gatherers gone wild. Goldman's book was titled "Why civilizations die" But I think it more interesting to ask why civilization live and thrive.
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kmich wrote:I suppose it is human to seek order by fabricating religious, political, or geopolitical rationales within chaos, but it can be misguided and lead to disastrous policies.

Anarchy and state collapse form a fertile ground for psychopaths, those who are the meanest bastards with the most guns and muscle and the most minimal conscience. Such people are selected for in conditions of economic and social collapse, and such conditions vomit up all kinds of unsavory characters aspiring to leadership.

From the odious political and military leaders that arose after the collapse of Yugoslavia in the 90’s to those in today’s Iraq and Libya. Religion and political ideology form assorted rationalizations for crimes, but are not primarily causal. External powers may try to exploit the situation, usually with bad results, only fueling the flames of chaos, courting blowback and the like.
The common theme seems to be failed states and "psychopaths"(not sure they are exactly a clinical definition of). Mostly the "psychopaths" are people that don't seem to be able to adapt to the modern world very well. More like hunter gatherers gone wild. Goldman's book was titled "Why civilizations die" But I think it more interesting to ask why civilization live and thrive.
Depending on the current nomenclature, psychopath, sociopath, antisocial personality, etc., all these suggest an individual who has grossly underdeveloped or no conscience, a penchant for violence, and a willingness to lie, cheat, steal, and kill for their advantage. Normal people who go to war are prone to PTSD, partly due to the conflicts of conscience inherent in war. Psychopaths do not have such conflicts and adapt to war quite well since the suffering of others is not much concern to them and violence can be used for fun and advantage. They rarely develop PTSD and become effective killers, although they can get in trouble with superiors if they are in a well-organized military where. However, authority and discipline almost always tends to degrade in extended combat situations.

Do they adapt to the “modern world?” Well, that depends which “modern world” we are talking about. They tend to be in constant conflict in societies where rule of law and decency are well developed and frequent run afoul of authorities. In failed state situations or in nations where rule of law is no longer taken seriously, they do rather nicely. Whether the criminal Russian oligarchs who became ascendant after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the vicious gang leaders that run about the failed state of Iraq or Libya, or the killers roaming the rubble of Syria, they will do just dandy.

Civilizations thrive under rule of law where participants feel they have a stake in the success of civil society and its institutions. The Romans understood this, that is why they used a combination of administration and military power to enforce order while setting conditions for the participants of the empire to benefit from the Empire's success.
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kmich wrote:
Doc wrote:
kmich wrote:I suppose it is human to seek order by fabricating religious, political, or geopolitical rationales within chaos, but it can be misguided and lead to disastrous policies.

Anarchy and state collapse form a fertile ground for psychopaths, those who are the meanest bastards with the most guns and muscle and the most minimal conscience. Such people are selected for in conditions of economic and social collapse, and such conditions vomit up all kinds of unsavory characters aspiring to leadership.

From the odious political and military leaders that arose after the collapse of Yugoslavia in the 90’s to those in today’s Iraq and Libya. Religion and political ideology form assorted rationalizations for crimes, but are not primarily causal. External powers may try to exploit the situation, usually with bad results, only fueling the flames of chaos, courting blowback and the like.
The common theme seems to be failed states and "psychopaths"(not sure they are exactly a clinical definition of). Mostly the "psychopaths" are people that don't seem to be able to adapt to the modern world very well. More like hunter gatherers gone wild. Goldman's book was titled "Why civilizations die" But I think it more interesting to ask why civilization live and thrive.
Depending on the current nomenclature, psychopath, sociopath, antisocial personality, etc., all these suggest an individual who has grossly underdeveloped or no conscience, a penchant for violence, and a willingness to lie, cheat, steal, and kill for their advantage. Normal people who go to war are prone to PTSD, partly due to the conflicts of conscience inherent in war. Psychopaths do not have such conflicts and adapt to war quite well since the suffering of others is not much concern to them and violence can be used for fun and advantage. They rarely develop PTSD and become effective killers, although they can get in trouble with superiors if they are in a well-organized military where. However, authority and discipline almost always tends to degrade in extended combat situations.

Do they adapt to the “modern world?” Well, that depends which “modern world” we are talking about. They tend to be in constant conflict in societies where rule of law and decency are well developed and frequent run afoul of authorities. In failed state situations or in nations where rule of law is no longer taken seriously, they do rather nicely. Whether the criminal Russian oligarchs who became ascendant after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the vicious gang leaders that run about the failed state of Iraq or Libya, or the killers roaming the rubble of Syria, they will do just dandy.

Civilizations thrive under rule of law where participants feel they have a stake in the success of civil society and its institutions. The Romans understood this, that is why they used a combination of administration and military power to enforce order while setting conditions for the participants of the empire to benefit from the Empire's success.
Thank You Very Much for your post, kmich.

Again, I am not so sure about much of this..... :|

Civilizations can thrive and be quite evil.... :idea:

Aztecs...... Perhaps in many ways more advanced than the Spanish who conquered them with the help of their Tlaxcalan allies....

Wonderful engineers... :D Like the Romans..... ;)

Had slavery but to it was no where near as vicious as Roman and other forms of slavery except for one reason ;) :twisted:

Did not practice total war as many others often have. Would let conquered nations keep their government and even let them fight the Aztecs again for one reason :twisted:

I could go on but I think you already know the one reason I am referring to.... ;) :twisted: :roll:


Massive HUMAN SACRIFICE sometimes in some of the nastiest ways imaginable... :evil: :evil: :evil:

Slavery was not that bad.... People were know to sell themselves into slavery :shock: Buy themselves back again... But do it too many times and there was a risk of being sacrificed..... :shock:

Same with the No Total War policy: Reason being that the Aztecs liked to have so called Wars of Flowers with their conquered enemies to get victims for sacrifice... A major reason that the Tlaxcalans allied with the Spanish and to the credit of the Spanish, they largely kept faith with the Tlaxcalans..... :D


IMHO Islam at it core as traditionally practiced as documented by Al Ghazali and others and as seen now with the Islamic State is also a civilization that like the Aztecs is EVIL though in its own different VERY peculiar way.....

Just some of it........
The following passage from his work on Shafi law, Al-wajiz fi fiqh al-imam al-shafi'i, which he wrote in 1101, and is widely cited:

one must go on jihad (i.e., warlike razzias or raids) at least once a year… one may use a catapult against them [non-Muslims] when they are in a fortress, even if among them are women and children. One may set fire to them and/or drown them...If a person of the Ahl al-Kitab [People of The Book – Jews and Christians, typically] is enslaved, his marriage is [automatically] revoked. A woman and her child taken into slavery should not be separated...One may cut down their trees…. One must destroy their useless books. Jihadists may take as booty whatever they decide… they may steal as much food as they need… (1979: 186-90 cited by Boston, 2004).
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Al-Ghazali


Also the traditional Worse Than the Mafia extortion methods of Muslims :evil: .... The Mafia only beats you up if you DON'T pay the protection money they are extorting while Traditional Muslims beat you up if you DO pay the protection money and kill you if you don't. :idea:

And this is NOT just in Medieval times or more ancient times.....

Happens when Evil Muslims feel they can get away with it as in the example below AND Right Now :idea:
In 1894 jizya was still being collected in Morocco; an Italian Jew described his experience there:

The kadi Uwida and the kadi Mawlay Mustafa had mounted their tent today near the Mellah [Jewish ghetto] gate and had summoned the Jews in order to collect from them the poll tax [jizya] which they are obliged to pay the sultan. They had me summoned also. I first inquired whether those who were European-protected subjects had to pay this tax. Having learned that a great many of them had already paid it, I wished to do likewise. After having remitted the amount of the tax to the two officials, I received from the kadi’s guard two blows in the back of the neck. Addressing the kadi and the kaid, I said” ‘Know that I am an Italian protected subject.’ Whereupon the kadi said to his guard: ‘Remove the kerchief covering his head and strike him strongly; he can then go and complain wherever he wants.’ The guards hastily obeyed and struck me once again more violently. This public mistreatment of a European-protected subject demonstrates to all the Arabs that they can, with impunity, mistreat the Jews.[
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kmich wrote:I suppose it is human to seek order by fabricating religious, political, or geopolitical rationales within chaos, but it can be misguided and lead to disastrous policies.

Anarchy and state collapse form a fertile ground for psychopaths, those who are the meanest bastards with the most guns and muscle and the most minimal conscience. Such people are selected for in conditions of economic and social collapse, and such conditions vomit up all kinds of unsavory characters aspiring to leadership.

From the odious political and military leaders that arose after the collapse of Yugoslavia in the 90’s to those in today’s Iraq and Libya. Religion and political ideology form assorted rationalizations for crimes, but are not primarily causal. External powers may try to exploit the situation, usually with bad results, only fueling the flames of chaos, courting blowback and the like.
The common theme seems to be failed states and "psychopaths"(not sure they are exactly a clinical definition of). Mostly the "psychopaths" are people that don't seem to be able to adapt to the modern world very well. More like hunter gatherers gone wild. Goldman's book was titled "Why civilizations die" But I think it more interesting to ask why civilization live and thrive.
Depending on the current nomenclature, psychopath, sociopath, antisocial personality, etc., all these suggest an individual who has grossly underdeveloped or no conscience, a penchant for violence, and a willingness to lie, cheat, steal, and kill for their advantage. Normal people who go to war are prone to PTSD, partly due to the conflicts of conscience inherent in war. Psychopaths do not have such conflicts and adapt to war quite well since the suffering of others is not much concern to them and violence can be used for fun and advantage. They rarely develop PTSD and become effective killers, although they can get in trouble with superiors if they are in a well-organized military where. However, authority and discipline almost always tends to degrade in extended combat situations.

Do they adapt to the “modern world?” Well, that depends which “modern world” we are talking about. They tend to be in constant conflict in societies where rule of law and decency are well developed and frequent run afoul of authorities. In failed state situations or in nations where rule of law is no longer taken seriously, they do rather nicely. Whether the criminal Russian oligarchs who became ascendant after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the vicious gang leaders that run about the failed state of Iraq or Libya, or the killers roaming the rubble of Syria, they will do just dandy.

Civilizations thrive under rule of law where participants feel they have a stake in the success of civil society and its institutions. The Romans understood this, that is why they used a combination of administration and military power to enforce order while setting conditions for the participants of the empire to benefit from the Empire's success.

Excellent points Kmich. It is too bad they don't really teach this rule of law stuff in High school civics anymore.

As for Psychopaths http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=073_1407265278 Look at the faces of the guests. They seem to be quite happy. Are pedophiles psychopaths? Or is it a group psychopath kind of thing? Knowing that there are no penalties for being psychopaths or pedophiles?
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Me thinks the issue of psychopaths surfacing in bloody-messy situations may be important also more generally.

Not all psycho- sociopaths become a Jack the Ripper, they also surface more easily in the power games of politics and business due to their impaired ability to empathize, their taste for ruthless power games and risk taking, their ability to manipulate using charm and their general fearlessness. This may also be the reason why news reports and analysis tend to "explain" what happens in terms of power games only, because there is not much else going on there anyways!

But it is contagious; not seldom journalists get all caught up in those power games themselves, being able only to report and analyze "meaningfully" from the typical psychopath's perspective where there are but winners.. or losers. Where everything is not more than another move in a chess game between depersonalized Giant Cyborg Interests and where individual people and their stories have disappeared entirely.

This is also the perfect theater to attract an audience that loves to cheerlead psychopaths, or that is not aware what typova game they are watching.

Tragedy being that in bloody-messy times not only psychopaths more easily rise to the top... but also whole populations will fall for their charm and false promises.
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Offensive kurde pour reprendre aux djihadistes le plus grand barrage d'Irak

Les forces kurdes, soutenues par l'aviation américaine, ont lancé samedi 16 août une offensive pour reprendre aux djihadistes de l'Etat islamique (EI) le barrage de Mossoul (nord), le plus important d'Irak, a déclaré un haut responsable militaire kurde.

« Les peshmergas (combattants kurdes), avec un soutien aérien américain, ont pris le contrôle du côté est du barrage » à la faveur de cette offensive, a annoncé le général Abdel Rahmane Korini. « Nous avons tué plusieurs membres de l'EI. Nous continuons à avancer et devrions annoncer de bonnes nouvelles dans les prochaines heures », a-t-il ajouté.
So, the Kurds say they have the eastern side of the dam. And US air support.
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Offensive kurde pour reprendre aux djihadistes le plus grand barrage d'Irak

Les forces kurdes, soutenues par l'aviation américaine, ont lancé samedi 16 août une offensive pour reprendre aux djihadistes de l'Etat islamique (EI) le barrage de Mossoul (nord), le plus important d'Irak, a déclaré un haut responsable militaire kurde.

« Les peshmergas (combattants kurdes), avec un soutien aérien américain, ont pris le contrôle du côté est du barrage » à la faveur de cette offensive, a annoncé le général Abdel Rahmane Korini. « Nous avons tué plusieurs membres de l'EI. Nous continuons à avancer et devrions annoncer de bonnes nouvelles dans les prochaines heures », a-t-il ajouté.
So, the Kurds say they have the eastern side of the dam. And US air support.
Has ISIS blow up the bridges across the Tigris? IF so it will take more than a few hours unless ISIS runs away.
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Le barrage de Mossoul, enjeu clé des combats en Irak

A la mi-journée, dimanche 17 août, des panaches de fumée noire barraient l'horizon aux abords du barrage de l'immense lac de Mossoul. Les signes de la contre-offensive des forces kurdes. Avec le soutien de l'aviation américaine, elles tentent de reprendre aux troupes de l'Etat islamique (EI) le contrôle de cette infrastructure, la plus grande du pays, qui fournit toute la région en eau et en électricité. Le barrage a été conquis le 7 août par les djihadistes, lors d'une attaque éclair qui leur a également permis de s'emparer d'un grand nombre de villes et de villages au nord de Mossoul.

Dimanche soir, les autorités kurdes ont hâtivement déclaré que « le barrage de Mossoul avait été complètement libéré ». Elles ajoutaient que des combats avaient débuté plus à l'est, autour de villes chrétiennes comme Telkief, passées, le 7 août, sous contrôle de l'EI. Mais dans la réalité, les djihadistes n'ont pas été entièrement délogés de ce site stratégique. Selon un conseiller du ministre de la défense du Kurdistan irakien, ils en contrôlent toujours la rive ouest. L'avancée des troupes kurdes est notamment ralentie par les mines plantées par les islamistes le long des voies d'accès. Une explosion de la retenue d'eau pourrait avoir des conséquences désastreuses pour les villes et les villages situés en aval.

Durant le week-end, les Etats-Unis ont mené une vingtaine de raids contre les positions de l'EI autour du barrage, et quinze attaques pour la seule journée de lundi. D'après les autorités d'Erbil (capitale de la région autonome kurde d'Irak), des véhicules militaires et un check-point auraient été détruits. Selon un membre des forces de sécurité kurdes, interrogé par Le Monde samedi, des soldats américains auraient été déployés au sol pour guider les frappes aériennes.

L'EI doit, par ailleurs, faire face aux attaques de tribus sunnites dans l'ouest irakien. Dans la province d'Al-Anbar, les islamistes affrontent depuis vendredi une coalition de plus d'une vingtaine de tribus sunnites, appuyée par les forces de sécurité irakiennes. Cité par l'AFP, un commandant de la police, Ahmed Sadag, affirme que les combattants des tribus et les forces gouvernementales ont repoussé les djihadistes hors des secteurs qu'ils tenaient à l'ouest de la capitale provinciale Ramadi, et que des combats avaient lieu dans d'autres zones, dont la ville stratégique de Haditha, plus au nord.

Pour bloquer l'avancée des hommes d'Abou Bakr Al-Baghdadi, le chef de l'EI, qui a proclamé fin juin un califat s'étendant de l'Irak à la Syrie, le Conseil de sécurité de l'ONU a adopté vendredi une résolution visant à empêcher le recrutement et le financement de djihadistes dans ces deux pays. L'Union européenne a, pour sa part, approuvé les livraisons d'armes aux combattants kurdes, déjà lancées par les Etats-Unis et la France.
Article says the Kurds are still trying to take the dam while the USAF is pounding the al-Dawlah positions. US troops are allegedly on the ground, guiding the strikes. The access paths at the site were mined by the al-Dawlah and the Kurds have to move slowly. In Ramadi and Haditha, dozens of Sunni tribes banded together to throw the al-Dawlah out, with the help of the national army. The fighting is still going on.
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Irak : le barrage de Mossoul repris aux djihadistes
Le Monde | 19.08.2014 à 03h33

Il s'agit d'un grand pas dans la lutte contre les djihadistes de l'Etat islamique. Avec l'appui des Etats-Unis, les forces irakiennes et kurdes ont repris le contrôle du barrage de Mossoul, dans le nord de l'Irak, a confirmé Barack Obama, lundi 18 août.

Le président américain, qui s'exprimait à la Maison Blanche, a estimé que ce succès démontrait la capacité des forces kurdes et de l'armée irakienne à travailler ensemble contre les djihadistes de l'Etat islamique qui, selon lui, constituent une menace pour l'Irak et pour toute la région.

« LA PROCHAINE ÉTAPE EST MOSSOUL »

Les responsables irakiens ont salué ce qu'ils considèrent comme une victoire stratégique et annoncé que le prochain objectif était de reprendre la ville de Mossoul, la plus importante cité du nord de l'Irak, située à 40 km en aval de l'installation hydroélectrique. « Reprendre le barrage a pris plus de temps que prévu car l'Etat islamique avait posé des mines antipersonnel », a déclaré Hochiar Zébari, ministre des affaires étrangères sortant et membre de la communauté kurde, précisant que les forces kurdes avaient bénéficié d'un appui aérien américain.

« La nouvelle tactique consistant à lancer des attaques rapides tenues secrètes s'est avérée efficace et nous sommes décidés à continuer à la mettre en œuvre avec l'aide des renseignements fournis par les Américains. La prochaine étape est Mossoul », a annoncé pour sa part Sabah Nouri, porte-parole de l'unité antiterroriste irakienne.
The Kurds got the damned dam back. Mossul is next. The US continues to help and stay out of the limelight.
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L’Allemagne s’apprête à livrer des armes aux Kurdes d'Irak
Le Monde | 20.08.2014 à 13h53 • Mis à jour le 20.08.2014 à 14h17

C'est une décision rare dans l'histoire contemporaine de l'Allemagne. Après de longues hésitations – dues en partie à son passé militariste – Berlin a annoncé mercredi 20 août être « prêt » à livrer « le plus rapidement possible » des armes aux Kurdes d'Irak.

Au cours d'une conférence de presse à Berlin, le ministre des affaires étrangères, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, a évoqué les risques d'une « catastrophe » qui aurait des conséquences « dévastatrices » pour le reste du monde si l'avancée de l'Etat islamique (EI) se poursuivait en Irak. Et a justifié la décision de la chancellerie allemande :

« Nous voulons faire cela dans un volume qui renforce la capacité des Kurdes à se défendre ».

L'Allemagne avait déjà annoncé qu'elle enverrait d'aide humanitaire, et d'équipement non létal comme des casques ou des véhicules blindés. Berlin examinera ensuite les besoins des Kurdes, en coordination avec ses partenaires européens.
Germany reverses pacifist/isolationist policy and is ready to sell weapons to Kurds in order to fight the al-Dawlah.
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The most powerful Sunni tribe, the Dulaim confederation with several million members, has played crucial roles in Iraqi history and is on the verge of another one. The Dulaim were key parts of the Sunni army and security forces, then became principals of the anti-Western insurgency, and later shifted to the US in the Sunni Awakening.

The Dulaim have been helping Islamic State to oust Baghdad's authority from Sunni regions but have signaled Baghdad, and the US, that the alliance may not be enduring. Sheikh Ali Hatem al Suleiman recently announced: "Tribal forces are capable of eliminating terrorists. … We've done it before, we can do it again."

After several days of negotiating with American diplomats and Shia politicians, the sheikh recently announced support in ousting Islamic State and his militias have begun the fight.

The Dulaim sheik's words are not an idle boast. He can bring formidable assets to the fight against Islamic State. Many Dulaim are experienced fighters from as far back as the war with Iran (1980-88), the insurgency following the 2003 invasion, and the eradication of al-Qaeda shortly thereafter. Dulaim fighters likely outnumber Islamic State's troops 10-fold or more and have far greater local support than the jihadis.
Dulaim encourage the al-Dawlah to do the dirty work and then stick the knife in their backs. :)
The Sunnis today are in a far better negotiating position. The Dulaim will demand arms from the US as they did in the first Awakening, but they will insist on substantive political change. They will demand political autonomy, the evacuation of remaining Shia troops from Sunni regions, and an increased share of the nation's oil revenue.
What a surprise.
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The most powerful Sunni tribe, the Dulaim confederation with several million members, has played crucial roles in Iraqi history and is on the verge of another one. The Dulaim were key parts of the Sunni army and security forces, then became principals of the anti-Western insurgency, and later shifted to the US in the Sunni Awakening.

The Dulaim have been helping Islamic State to oust Baghdad's authority from Sunni regions but have signaled Baghdad, and the US, that the alliance may not be enduring. Sheikh Ali Hatem al Suleiman recently announced: "Tribal forces are capable of eliminating terrorists. … We've done it before, we can do it again."

After several days of negotiating with American diplomats and Shia politicians, the sheikh recently announced support in ousting Islamic State and his militias have begun the fight.

The Dulaim sheik's words are not an idle boast. He can bring formidable assets to the fight against Islamic State. Many Dulaim are experienced fighters from as far back as the war with Iran (1980-88), the insurgency following the 2003 invasion, and the eradication of al-Qaeda shortly thereafter. Dulaim fighters likely outnumber Islamic State's troops 10-fold or more and have far greater local support than the jihadis.
Dulaim encourage the al-Dawlah to do the dirty work and then stick the knife in their backs. :)
The Sunnis today are in a far better negotiating position. The Dulaim will demand arms from the US as they did in the first Awakening, but they will insist on substantive political change. They will demand political autonomy, the evacuation of remaining Shia troops from Sunni regions, and an increased share of the nation's oil revenue.
What a surprise.
You can be sure the Duliam, if it comes to that, will send off ISIS fighters to their 72 virgins.
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Matteo Renzi è atterrato poco prima di mezzogiorno a Bagdad per la visita-lampo in Iraq. Proprio nelle stesse ore è arrivata la notizia dall’Italia che le commissioni Esteri e Difesa di Camera e Senato hanno approvato la risoluzione che sostiene il governo nell’invio di aiuti militari ai curdi nell’ambito della crisi in Iraq. Il via libera è giunto dal Senato con 27 voti favorevoli e 4 contrari, nessuno astenuto; la Camera ha dato il via libera, con 56 voti a favore e 13 contrari. Autorizzato dunque il trasferimento di armi e munizioni ai peshmerga curdi. Un’operazione definita dal ministro della difesa Roberta Pinotti e dalla collega degli Esteri, Federica Mogherini, “indispensabile”. «Il Mediterraneo e il Medio Oriente sono scossi da una minaccia che sì riguarda anche l’Europa e sì riguarda anche l’Italia»- ha detto la Mogherini ai giornalisti che le chiedevano dei jihadisti dell’Isis. Il ministro Pinotti ha spiegato davanti alle Commissioni di Camera e Senato che: «Le forniture belliche predisposte contengono armamento leggero e relative munizioni già in uso a forze armate italiane destinato alla difesa personale e d’area e altre armi individuali, di squadra e contro-mezzi, di fabbricazione sovietica, sequestrate in mare durante le guerre dei Balcani. Le armi comprendono mitragliatrici che le forze armate italiane non usano più, e razzi anticarro».
The Italian Parliament has approved the transfer of light weapons (mainly Soviet gear seized in the Balkans), machine guns (Italian surplus) and AT rockets to the Kurds.
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VICE News: The Islamic State (Full Length) Parts 1-5

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Mainstream media wants us to believe ISIS sprung up out of a hole in the ground and became powerful enough to take over large cities without any assistance from the big powers.
The ineptitude of that narrative is an insult to everyone’s intelligence.



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Reports are circulating which suggest that ISIS’s leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, was trained by the Israeli Mossad in psychological warfare; that he is essentially an actor playing the role of “Islamic radical.” It wouldn’t be the first time a Zionist asset posed as an Islamic radical in order to blacken the name of Islam. Shortly after 9/11 an American Jew named Adam Pearlman started calling himself Adam Gadahn. He grew a scary Islamic beard and then allegedly joined al-Qaeda, becoming the group’s “spokesman” and PR man. Gadahn appeared in numerous menacing al-Qaeda videos preaching “jihad” against America, but his cover was blown when an Orange County newspaper revealed him to be the grandson of a prominent Zionist who sat on the Board of Directors of the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith, Zionism’s main Hasbara propaganda arm in the US.

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Makes "perfectly" sense :lol:


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New ALI thread merged with this one. We have enough al-Dawlah threads.
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YMix wrote:New ALI thread merged with this one. We have enough al-Dawlah threads.
Seems more appropriate for the Conspiracy Theories and other Looney Tunes section IMO.
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Islam, monoculture, and the Obama Caliphate - G. Murphy Donovan, New English Review, September 2014
http://www.newenglishreview.org/G._Murp ... Caliphate/

Introduction

Five years ago “Islam and Monoculture” was published in American Thinker. The author, a former Intelligence officer, had become convinced that the American Intelligence Community was spinning the Islamist threat. Making excuses for Islam seemed to have become an academic, think tank, and US government norm after the Muslim/Arab attack against New York City in 2001

In the Obama years, the twin vectors of rhetorical appeasement (John Brennan) and “humanitarian” intervention (Samantha Power) merged to create a kind of democratic imperialism, a foreign policy paradigm where regime change is the agency and democracy is the expected, yet improbable, outcome. The Obama national security team does accept any evidence, including beheadings, which might suggest that democracy and Islam are culturally irreconcilable.

Alas, the aim of Islamists is religious monoculture, not secular democratic pluralism. In the past decade, passive rhetoric and imprudent interventions have enabled theocracy, undermined sovereignty, and diminished democracy worldwide.

The global village, especially the Muslim street, is now littered with the nation/state victims of wishful thinking. Iran, Libya, Egypt, the Sudan, Yemen, Palestine, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, and Pakistan are among the casualties. Intervention in the name of “stability” has become a serial farce.

A fresh crop of neo-fascist thugs is now abroad, varieties that make Fatah, Hezb’allah, Hamas, or al Qaeda seem enlightened. The new face of Islam is savage: slavery, beheading, crucifixion, and genocide. Demands are binary: “accept Islam or die.” The mad dogs of Muslim hell are off the choke chain.

The standard bearer of Islam’s latest lurch backwards is the newly minted Islamic State of Iran and Syria (ISIS). Muslim terrorists have upped the ante and called America’s bluff again. Unlike the imaginary red lines drawn in the Oval Office, ISIS has now drawn a bright red line with American blood.

The cradle of civilization has become a charnel house, a manufactured tragedy wrought by the intersection of pandering, strategic naiveté, and blowback. Administration and media sycophants were inclined to ignore beheadings in Mosul when the victims were natives. Now that the Islamic knife cuts closer to home, decapitation is finally covered above the fold.

Such news might sound bad, but apparently not bad enough to interrupt the presidential partying on Martha’s Vineyard this summer.

Now that children and American journalists are being beheaded by ISIS, someone needs to ask the president of the United States if the conflict in Iraq is still a “war of choice.” If the war in Iraq/Syria is now “necessary,” the outlook is grim; bleak because leadership in the White House is so clearly insufficient for the challenges that lie ahead.

When Mister Obama spoke of James Foley’s recent confession and execution, the president forgot to mention that the executioner was an Englishman. Yes, the man who severed Foley’s head was probably a Brit, one of many jihadi that America and the EU have allowed, if not sponsored, in the Levant under “regime change” policies. How does America and Europe lay with dogs and not get fleas?

Appeasing the so-called “moderate” Muslim majority in Doha, Riyadh, or Islamabad at the expense of enabling religious war, the global jihad, was always a recipe for failure. Now the coercive sword of Islam even threatens western Press apologists, the kind of Islamic blowback that only a moron or a masochist might ignore.

Poetic, if not historical, justice would be served if the shotgun marriage of Syria and Iraq is remembered as the Obama Caliphate.

Ironically, the original “Islam and Monoculture” did not suffer the fate of most internet ephemera. The essay survived in an unlikely venue, Islam Daily. There is some hope, however faint, that truth and religious reform is still possible midst 1.5 billion Muslims when an American Muslim website journal keeps a harsh critique of contemporary Islam available for five years.

For the full original essay click on:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/ ... lture.html
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