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Global rankings of nations

Postby Typhoon » Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:32 am

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Re: Global rankings of nations

Postby Typhoon » Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:38 am

Legatum prosperity index

1st rank:

Economy: Singapore

Entrepreneurship and Opportunity: Sweden

Governance: Sweden

Education: Australia

Health: United States [Mr. P. will be happy]

Personal Safety and Security: Hong Kong

Personal Freedom: Canada [Should the Canadians insist on that wall? ;) ]

Social Capital: New Zealand
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Re: Global rankings of nations

Postby NapLajoieonSteroids » Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:40 am

How messed up does Central African Republic have to be worse off than decades-of-war Afghanistan for last place in the rankings?
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Re: Global rankings of nations

Postby noddy » Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:58 am

they should rename all these various global ranking indexes to ' suck lavender, you aint northern european or a derivative thereof'
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Re: Global rankings of nations

Postby Simple Minded » Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:43 pm

Is it just me, or does this list seem Earth-centric? :?
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Re: Global rankings of nations

Postby manolo » Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:43 pm

Simple Minded wrote:Is it just me, or does this list seem Earth-centric? :?


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No Klingons? :o

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Re: Global rankings of nations

Postby Torchwood » Fri Nov 13, 2015 3:06 am

That list is a subjective joke. The top six countries are boring places, and the seventh too far from anywhere (and the commodity driven economy is tanking).

US number one for health? The Irish economy better than the UK ? (when was this done, 2007?) France way down on social capital? (it may be a fractious place, but that is ridiculous).
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Re: Global rankings of nations

Postby noddy » Fri Nov 13, 2015 2:25 pm

its not tanking, its ermm, growth challenged.

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Re: Global rankings of nations

Postby Mr. Perfect » Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:07 pm

We've always had the best health care in the world.
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Re: Global rankings of nations

Postby Typhoon » Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:02 am

Mr. Perfect wrote:We've always had the best health care in the world.


Right you are, Roger Ramjet.

As long as one does not make any comparisons to other OECD countries. :lol:
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Re: Global rankings of nations

Postby Mr. Perfect » Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:52 am

OECD countries are included in the world.

We have the best Doctors, Hospitals and Schools in the world.
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Re: Global rankings of nations

Postby Zack Morris » Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:58 pm

That's like saying the US has the best space ships on the planet. Doesn't mean the average person gets to take a ride. Nobody I know who has worked and lived in both Europe (UK, Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, etc.) and the United States prefers the latter. I had firsthand experience with the health care system in Scandinavia back in the late 90's. It was great. Today, almost 20 years later, when I see a doctor, my needs are no more complex than they were then, but it is always an absurdly inefficient, opaque, and frustrating process.
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Re: Global rankings of nations

Postby Mr. Perfect » Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:56 pm

The average us doctor hospital and school are the best in the world. Our biggest problem is the unreal regulation by government which causes inefficiency.
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Re: Global rankings of nations

Postby Zack Morris » Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:55 am

The "average" hospital is unaffordable for most Americans. There's not a big difference between the quality of our average care and the average care one receives in Switzerland. Certainly not enough to warrant the cost and the increase in people who cannot get the medical treatment they would like.
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Re: Global rankings of nations

Postby Simple Minded » Sun Nov 15, 2015 4:11 pm

Zack Morris wrote:The "average" hospital is unaffordable for most Americans. There's not a big difference between the quality of our average care and the average care one receives in Switzerland. Certainly not enough to warrant the cost and the increase in people who cannot get the medical treatment they would like.


Zack,

I work for AREVA, which is a large French company, as a result we have lots of Europeans who come over for extended (1 year + ) periods. From conversations with a bunch of them, they all prefer their native health care systems when they get off the plane, and after about a year in the US, about 70% prefer the "US system." Perhaps only the Europeans who are a bit more capitalist, rather than socialist by nature make the effort to come here.

I suspect it has nothing to do with national systems, but is merely the subjectivity of "average," 'better," "affordable," and their personal experiences with local health care here versus local health care back home. Most seem to prefer high tech, immediate access to health care here, even at higher prices than what they experienced back home.

100% of the Europeans here on long term assignments seem to prefer not paying to subsidize the health care of others each time they buy food, clothes, energy, etc. Human nature and the eternal quest for the "real deal."

Seems similar to people in county X bragging about the better local services than in county Y while at the same time bitching about the higher taxes they pay in county X.

How to get humans past the self-interest phase and into the We-interest phase.........
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Re: Global rankings of nations

Postby manolo » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:40 pm

Simple Minded wrote:
Zack Morris wrote:The "average" hospital is unaffordable for most Americans. There's not a big difference between the quality of our average care and the average care one receives in Switzerland. Certainly not enough to warrant the cost and the increase in people who cannot get the medical treatment they would like.


Zack,

I work for AREVA, which is a large French company, as a result we have lots of Europeans who come over for extended (1 year + ) periods. From conversations with a bunch of them, they all prefer their native health care systems when they get off the plane, and after about a year in the US, about 70% prefer the "US system." Perhaps only the Europeans who are a bit more capitalist, rather than socialist by nature make the effort to come here.

I suspect it has nothing to do with national systems, but is merely the subjectivity of "average," 'better," "affordable," and their personal experiences with local health care here versus local health care back home. Most seem to prefer high tech, immediate access to health care here, even at higher prices than what they experienced back home.

100% of the Europeans here on long term assignments seem to prefer not paying to subsidize the health care of others each time they buy food, clothes, energy, etc. Human nature and the eternal quest for the "real deal."

Seems similar to people in county X bragging about the better local services than in county Y while at the same time bitching about the higher taxes they pay in county X.

How to get humans past the self-interest phase and into the We-interest phase.........


SM,

I can't quite follow the story in your colleague's experiences. Private health care is immediately available here in the UK, and I have used it a couple of times. I'm sure that folks in France and Germany can go private just as easy. What's the beef?

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Re: Global rankings of nations

Postby Mr. Perfect » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:42 pm

Zack Morris wrote:The "average" hospital is unaffordable for most Americans. There's not a big difference between the quality of our average care and the average care one receives in Switzerland. Certainly not enough to warrant the cost and the increase in people who cannot get the medical treatment they would like.

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Re: Global rankings of nations

Postby Simple Minded » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:58 pm

manolo wrote:
Simple Minded wrote:
Zack Morris wrote:The "average" hospital is unaffordable for most Americans. There's not a big difference between the quality of our average care and the average care one receives in Switzerland. Certainly not enough to warrant the cost and the increase in people who cannot get the medical treatment they would like.


Zack,

I work for AREVA, which is a large French company, as a result we have lots of Europeans who come over for extended (1 year + ) periods. From conversations with a bunch of them, they all prefer their native health care systems when they get off the plane, and after about a year in the US, about 70% prefer the "US system." Perhaps only the Europeans who are a bit more capitalist, rather than socialist by nature make the effort to come here.

I suspect it has nothing to do with national systems, but is merely the subjectivity of "average," 'better," "affordable," and their personal experiences with local health care here versus local health care back home. Most seem to prefer high tech, immediate access to health care here, even at higher prices than what they experienced back home.

100% of the Europeans here on long term assignments seem to prefer not paying to subsidize the health care of others each time they buy food, clothes, energy, etc. Human nature and the eternal quest for the "real deal."

Seems similar to people in county X bragging about the better local services than in county Y while at the same time bitching about the higher taxes they pay in county X.

How to get humans past the self-interest phase and into the We-interest phase.........


SM,

I can't quite follow the story in your colleague's experiences. Private health care is immediately available here in the UK, and I have used it a couple of times. I'm sure that folks in France and Germany can go private just as easy. What's the beef?

Alex.


alex,

Hard to say. I try not to get too personal. Since they have experience in both systems, and I don't, I take them at their word. Note above red text.

I have discussed your posts with my friend from Ireland, he just rolls his eyes (like you are some kind of nut case) and says "he should talk to my relatives."

For some strange reason, at least in much of the US today, any local problems and experiences seem to get projected as typical of the entire nation. To me, that seems nuts in a nation with a population of over 300 million people that covers 3+ million square miles. Seems more a power play or projected doomer porn than anything else.

People seem pretty consistent in that most seem to like the idea of their own health care being subsidized when someone else buys a hamburger, while simultaneously preferring not to subsidize the health care of others when they buy a hamburger.

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Re: Global rankings of nations

Postby Typhoon » Tue Nov 17, 2015 3:52 pm

Simple Minded wrote:
Zack Morris wrote:The "average" hospital is unaffordable for most Americans. There's not a big difference between the quality of our average care and the average care one receives in Switzerland. Certainly not enough to warrant the cost and the increase in people who cannot get the medical treatment they would like.


Zack,

I work for AREVA, which is a large French company, as a result we have lots of Europeans who come over for extended (1 year + ) periods. From conversations with a bunch of them, they all prefer their native health care systems when they get off the plane, and after about a year in the US, about 70% prefer the "US system." Perhaps only the Europeans who are a bit more capitalist, rather than socialist by nature make the effort to come here.

I suspect it has nothing to do with national systems, but is merely the subjectivity of "average," 'better," "affordable," and their personal experiences with local health care here versus local health care back home. Most seem to prefer high tech, immediate access to health care here, even at higher prices than what they experienced back home.

100% of the Europeans here on long term assignments seem to prefer not paying to subsidize the health care of others each time they buy food, clothes, energy, etc. Human nature and the eternal quest for the "real deal."

Seems similar to people in county X bragging about the better local services than in county Y while at the same time bitching about the higher taxes they pay in county X.

How to get humans past the self-interest phase and into the We-interest phase.........


All this is anecdotal, however, based on my own [now admittedly old] experience, I suspect that AREVA arranges for gold-plated health insurance for French nationals living and working in the USA.

If that is the case, then what is there not to like.

I'll be making one of my annual trips to the USA soon and will, as always, be purchasing gold-plated medical travel insurance.

The cost of medical care in the US makes paying out of pocket prohibitive.
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Re: Global rankings of nations

Postby Simple Minded » Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:00 am

Typhoon wrote:
Simple Minded wrote:
Zack Morris wrote:The "average" hospital is unaffordable for most Americans. There's not a big difference between the quality of our average care and the average care one receives in Switzerland. Certainly not enough to warrant the cost and the increase in people who cannot get the medical treatment they would like.


Zack,

I work for AREVA, which is a large French company, as a result we have lots of Europeans who come over for extended (1 year + ) periods. From conversations with a bunch of them, they all prefer their native health care systems when they get off the plane, and after about a year in the US, about 70% prefer the "US system." Perhaps only the Europeans who are a bit more capitalist, rather than socialist by nature make the effort to come here.

I suspect it has nothing to do with national systems, but is merely the subjectivity of "average," 'better," "affordable," and their personal experiences with local health care here versus local health care back home. Most seem to prefer high tech, immediate access to health care here, even at higher prices than what they experienced back home.

100% of the Europeans here on long term assignments seem to prefer not paying to subsidize the health care of others each time they buy food, clothes, energy, etc. Human nature and the eternal quest for the "real deal."

Seems similar to people in county X bragging about the better local services than in county Y while at the same time bitching about the higher taxes they pay in county X.

How to get humans past the self-interest phase and into the We-interest phase.........


All this is anecdotal, however, based on my own [now admittedly old] experience, I suspect that AREVA arranges for gold-plated health insurance for French nationals living and working in the USA.

If that is the case, then what is there not to like.

I'll be making one of my annual trips to the USA soon and will, as always, be purchasing gold-plated medical travel insurance.

The cost of medical care in the US makes paying out of pocket prohibitive.


good points. All personal experiences are both subjective, anecdotal, and filtered thru our personal set of norms.

"We" are better, and "they" are average.

Trying to make em all happy..... tough, if not impossible.
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Re: Global rankings of nations

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