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3D Printing and Copyright

Postby Enki » Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:49 pm

http://www.slate.com/articles/technolog ... erty_.html

Very interesting article. Worth the read.
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Re: 3D Printing and Copyright

Postby Carbizene » Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:12 pm

Interesting, of course such things are largely an abstract concern as the number of people with 3-D printers is effectively 0 so far and using them no doubt is not cost effective I'm guessing on an Industrial scale.

Lots of things can't be reproduced via a 3D printer due to the physical properties of materials needed ie things that need to be steel, of course once nano-tech becomes mainstream such issues will be dealt with and the Industrial revolution will end as seen in Neil Stephensons 'Diamond age'.
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Re: 3D Printing and Copyright

Postby Demon of Undoing » Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:53 am

Well, see, Orvile, that thing can't ever go to the moon. Them wings need air. There's no air on the moon, Orvile.

Stupid bicycle hobbyists.
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Re: 3D Printing and Copyright

Postby Enki » Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:18 pm

Carbizene: 3D printers can print steel.

Demon: Prezzactly.
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Re: 3D Printing and Copyright

Postby Carbizene » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:38 pm

yeah further research led me to that, i didn't realise it was so far advanced being able to make pieces with moving parts as well.

Apparently it can use plastic, ceramic and steel but not a combination, can't be far off getting over this hurdle.

re Demon: Atom smashing factories will never work.
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Re: 3D Printing and Copyright

Postby AzariLoveIran » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:11 am

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who are the biggest (and best quality) manufacturer of these machines ?

what are the tolerances

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Re: 3D Printing and Copyright

Postby Carbizene » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:51 am

http://www.3dsystems.com/3dprinting/consumer-products

good enough for GM and tolerances go down to 0.01 mm from what the GM video says.
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Re: 3D Printing and Copyright

Postby Demon of Undoing » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:03 am

It was all over, a done deal, at the creation of calculus. When man found a way to create a measurable, accurate, and malleable way to quantify reality, the die was cast.

All that is left is more and bigger numbers. We can make smaller, faster, more accurate machines for that.

Look at the pop- up construction Col Sun linked to in the robotics thread.

Printed Chevalaines. Fifty years, common as dirt.

Wait until we can print gene sequences.
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Re: 3D Printing and Copyright

Postby Carbizene » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:40 am

Interesting point about bigger and bigger numbers, I take a certain sick pride in being the first person on the planet to use tera ton to describe the mass of a certain substance being released from the Chutchki sea, all that came before have used giga ton, including Semiletov and Shakov.
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Re: 3D Printing and Copyright

Postby Demon of Undoing » Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:12 am

Carbizene wrote:Interesting point about bigger and bigger numbers, I take a certain sick pride in being the first person on the planet to use tera ton to describe the mass of a certain substance being released from the Chutchki sea, all that came before have used giga ton, including Semiletov and Shakov.



The future belongs to those that see the picture in the numbers, the image in the matrix. I think you'll be there.

Like I say, I'm trying to think in terms of centuries. Just to be optimistic.
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Re: 3D Printing and Copyright

Postby Enki » Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:24 pm

Demon of Undoing wrote:
Carbizene wrote:Interesting point about bigger and bigger numbers, I take a certain sick pride in being the first person on the planet to use tera ton to describe the mass of a certain substance being released from the Chutchki sea, all that came before have used giga ton, including Semiletov and Shakov.



The future belongs to those that see the picture in the numbers, the image in the matrix. I think you'll be there.

Like I say, I'm trying to think in terms of centuries. Just to be optimistic.


Right now is a tough time to think in centuries because the fundamental ordination of time is about to change from solar cycles to clock cycles.
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Re: 3D Printing and Copyright

Postby Miss_Faucie_Fishtits » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:58 pm

I still expect some legal-arse stupidity to rear its ugly head:

As a result, most objects in the physical world are not protected by an intellectual property right, either because they never were or because that protection expired long ago. Any attempt to draw a parallel between 3-D printing and the early days of online music or movie file sharing must come to terms with that critical distinction. Simply because a website like the Pirate Bay decides to open up a “Physibles” section does not make copying a physical object an act of “piracy.”


At a time when copyright discussions have expanded to the point where universities and students are locked in a fight over who owns the copyright to notes taken in class, 3-D printers serve as a reminder that not everything is swaddled in rights. You do not always need permission to build upon the past. The fact that someone could try to charge you to do something does not mean that they have a legal right to do so.


"But printing is a wordy thingie and wurds are protected by copyright, so if you print anything, even stuff, it's gorta be a wurd"...... hurpy durp.........
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Re: 3D Printing and Copyright

Postby Carbizene » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:16 pm

Demon of Undoing wrote:
Like I say, I'm trying to think in terms of centuries. Just to be optimistic.


In terms of numerical expansion I think centuries is overkill, what with quantum computers and all leading to a new realm of expansion.

Optimism is a reborn experience for me of late, all be it of slender nature, thoughts of a nano, low orbit future for a few have receded, replaced by a digital future for all who seek to live. This path is relatively low capital hence bereft of the foibles of those who hold the strings, in as much as such things can be.

When visiting seductive lady sites my eye is first drawn to cgi, perhaps suggestive of an evolutionary marker, that such a path is in the genes.
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Re: 3D Printing and Copyright

Postby Carbizene » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:21 pm

Miss_Faucie_Fishtits wrote:"But printing is a wordy thingie and wurds are protected by copyright, so if you print anything, even stuff, it's gorta be a wurd"...... hurpy durp.........


As an Artist my every gesture is protected by copyright, that said if someone was to print off 3-D's of my stuff, my paintings are up to 15mm thick, I would take it as a compliment, of course if they did anything more than stick it on their wall they would be hearing from my Patent attorney at $400 an hour.

This has given me an idea to use 3-D printing to sell replicas enabling the owner of original to have ongoing profits not disimilar to selling shares. While there is an issue of demand/supply, the more there is the lower the value, this does not apply to the original. The level of demand can be seen as a indicator of what the LHP, Larger Human Psyche, places on the original and hence the original changes in value via free market mechismo.
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Re: 3D Printing and Copyright

Postby Typhoon » Sun Apr 01, 2012 3:39 pm

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Re: 3D Printing and Copyright

Postby Carbizene » Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:01 am

An interesting development.

Adds another dimension to the digitisation of a human. Say a mind can be transferred into digital format along with a biological blueprint of the individuals body. At a later date a replicant body could be printed out with the digitised mind re-installed into the brain.
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Re: 3D Printing and Copyright

Postby Demon of Undoing » Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:28 am

Carbizene wrote:An interesting development.

Adds another dimension to the digitisation of a human. Say a mind can be transferred into digital format along with a biological blueprint of the individuals body. At a later date a replicant body could be printed out with the digitised mind re-installed into the brain.



They are now finding, as I suspected years ago, that specific memories reside is specific molecules in specific places. If it can be mapped, and it can, then everything is up for grabs.
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Re: 3D Printing and Copyright

Postby Typhoon » Mon Apr 02, 2012 4:56 pm



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April Fool's :wink:
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Re: 3D Printing and Copyright

Postby Aferim » Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:54 pm

Demon of Undoing wrote:Wait until we can print gene sequences.


Or girlfriends and boyfriends.
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Re: 3D Printing and Copyright

Postby Typhoon » Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:15 pm

TF | 3D Printer DRM Patent To Stop People Downloading a Car

DRM systems in the digital media world are nothing new and are utilized extensively in the music, movie and video games industries. Now, after applying four years ago, a company has this week obtained a patent for a DRM system that aims to stop future owners of 3D printers from printing whatever they like. The dream of downloading a new pair of sneakers or even a car might already be in jeopardy, before it’s even begun.
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Re: 3D Printing and Copyright

Postby Enki » Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:20 pm

Typhoon wrote:TF | 3D Printer DRM Patent To Stop People Downloading a Car

DRM systems in the digital media world are nothing new and are utilized extensively in the music, movie and video games industries. Now, after applying four years ago, a company has this week obtained a patent for a DRM system that aims to stop future owners of 3D printers from printing whatever they like. The dream of downloading a new pair of sneakers or even a car might already be in jeopardy, before it’s even begun.


People can make free sneak models and free car models.
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Re: 3D Printing and Copyright

Postby Yukon Cornelius » Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:11 pm

Bullshit.

They'll never lock down a SolidWorks file, and as soon as they do, someone will rip it, just like we.... er... you guys rip DVDs. The best they can hope for is to keep their files locked up on the premises, and even then it will only take a couple open source/reverse engineering consortiums to blow that up.

Someone staying after work playing with the CMM would be all that it took.


Besides, you don't want to print parts themselves, we've been able to do that for over 20 years (I remember seeing parts that were prototyped using stereo lithography back in the early 90s.) You want to be able to print the tools to can blast them out at hundreds a minute.

Then you've got a real -- as Alph has pointed out -- overproduction problem.
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Re: 3D Printing and Copyright

Postby anderson » Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:21 pm

Yukon Cornelius wrote:Bullshit.

They'll never lock down a SolidWorks file, and as soon as they do, someone will rip it, just like we.... er... you guys rip DVDs. The best they can hope for is to keep their files locked up on the premises, and even then it will only take a couple open source/reverse engineering consortiums to blow that up.

Someone staying after work playing with the CMM would be all that it took.


Besides, you don't want to print parts themselves, we've been able to do that for over 20 years (I remember seeing parts that were prototyped using stereo lithography back in the early 90s.) You want to be able to print the tools to can blast them out at hundreds a minute.

Then you've got a real -- as Alph has pointed out -- overproduction problem.


That's true, isn't it. Hadn't thought of it quite this way. The price of physical capital, the means of production becomes potentially much more accessible, down to the cost of a printer and the raw materials for the parts of the machine.
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Re: 3D Printing and Copyright

Postby Enki » Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:41 am

anderson, that is what I have been trying to explain to people for years. lavender is about to get real. Marx predicted that one day there would be plenty and everyone should have what they need. We are there now.
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Re: 3D Printing and Copyright

Postby Milo » Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:12 pm

IP only protects you when it's cost effective for it to do so.
The entertainment companies have mostly given up trying, because they lost money on it. Nothing saying that can't apply to 3DP's output too.
I've been told that advances in printer capacity have been in line with Moore's law. Extrapolate that into the 3D world and... Yeah Toffler may turn out to be Moore right than I ever thought possible ;-)
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