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Re: "Largest science scandal in US history"

Postby Typhoon » Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:00 pm

Nonc Hilaire wrote:General MO of the corruption of US science by industry. AGW is more politicized than pharmaceuticals or agriculture, so it is first to get political attention.

The plan by climate alarmists to have other scientists imprisoned for their ‘global warming’ skepticism is backfiring horribly, and the chief alarmist is now facing a House investigation into what has been called “the largest science scandal in US history.”

Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX)60%
, Chairman of the House Committee on Space, Science and Technology, has written to Professor Jagadish Shukla of George Mason University, in Virginia, requesting that he release all relevant documents pertaining to his activities as head of a non-profit organization called the Institute of Global Environment And Society.
Smith has two main areas of concern.

First, the apparent engagement by the institute in “partisan political activity” – which, as a non-profit, it is forbidden by law from doing.

Second, what precisely has the IGES institute done with the $63 million in taxpayer grants which it has received since 2001 and which appears to have resulted in remarkably little published research?

For example, as Watts Up With That? notes, a $4.2 million grant from the National Science Foundation to one of the institute’s offshoots appears to have resulted in just one published paper.

But the amount which has gone into the pockets of Shukla and his cronies runs into the many hundreds of thousands of dollars. In 2013 and 2014, for example, Shukla and his wife enjoyed a combined income in excess of $800,000 a year.

Steve McIntyre, the investigator who shattered Michael Mann’s global-warming ‘Hockey Stick’ claim, has done a detailed breakdown of the sums involved. He calls it Shukla’s Gold.

In 2001, the earliest year thus far publicly available, in 2001, in addition to his university salary (not yet available, but presumably about $125,000), Shukla and his wife received a further $214,496 in compensation from IGES (Shukla -$128,796; Anne Shukla – $85,700). Their combined compensation from IGES doubled over the next two years to approximately $400,000 (additional to Shukla’s university salary of say $130,000), for combined compensation of about $530,000 by 2004.

Shukla’s university salary increased dramatically over the decade reaching $250,866 by 2013 and $314,000 by 2014. (In this latter year, Shukla was paid much more than Ed Wegman, a George Mason professor of similar seniority). Meanwhile, despite the apparent transition of IGES to George Mason, the income of the Shuklas from IGES continued to increase, reaching $547,000 by 2013. Combined with Shukla’s university salary, the total compensation of Shukla and his wife exceeded $800,000 in both 2013 and 2014. In addition, as noted above, Shukla’s daughter continued to be employed by IGES in 2014; IGES also distributed $100,000 from its climate grant revenue to support an educational charity in India which Shukla had founded.

The story began last month when, as we reported at Breitbart, twenty alarmist scientists – led by Shukla – wrote a letter to President Obama urging him to use RICO laws to crush climate skeptics.

Shukla’s second big mistake was to send the letter not from his university address but from his non-profit, the IGES.

But his first, far bigger mistake, was his hubris in organizing the letter in the first place. It drew the attention of Shukla’s critics to something which, presumably, he would have preferred to keep secret: that for nearly 14 years, he, his family and his friends have been gorging themselves on taxpayers’ money at IGES; and that this money comes on top of the very generous salary he receives for doing much the same work at George Mason University (GMU).

It’s the latter detail which has led former Virginia State Climatologist Pat Michaels – one of the skeptics who might have been affected by Shukla’s proposed RICO prosecutions – to describe this as “the largest science scandal in US history.”

Under federal law, state employees may not be remunerated for doing work which falls under their state employee remit. As a Professor at GMU, Shukla is definitely an employee of the state. And the work for which he has most lavishly been rewarding himself at IGES appears to be remarkably similar to the work he does at GMU as professor of climate dynamics.

If GMU was aware of these extra-curricular payments, then it was in breach of its own policy on “financial conflicts of interest in federally funded research.”

If it wasn’t aware of them, then, Shukla legally may be required to send half of that $63 million in federal grants to his employer, GMU.

For many readers, though, perhaps the biggest take-home message of this extraordinary story is: Who do these climate alarmists think they are?

Perhaps $63 million in federal grants is just peanuts if you’re gorging on the climate-change smorgasbord, but for most of the rest of us, that constitutes a serious sum of money. Especially when we know it is being taken from us in the form of taxes.

Do they really feel under no obligation to spend it well?

Do they actually feel so sanctified by the rightness of their cause that they deserve to be immune from scrutiny or criticism?


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... s-history/


The government supporters of the AGW dogma, including the NSF, are going to spare no effort to try and bury this.
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Re: Climate and the Anthropogenic Global Warming Controversy

Postby Typhoon » Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:04 pm

Telegraph | France's top weatherman sparks storm over book questioning climate change

Every night, France's chief weatherman has told the nation how much wind, sun or rain they can expect the following day.

Now Philippe Verdier, a household name for his nightly forecasts on France 2, has been taken off air after a more controversial announcement - criticising the world's top climate change experts.

Mr Verdier claims in the book Climat Investigation (Climate Investigation) that leading climatologists and political leaders have “taken the world hostage” with misleading data.
In a promotional video, Mr Verdier said: “Every night I address five million French people to talk to you about the wind, the clouds and the sun. And yet there is something important, very important that I haven’t been able to tell you, because it’s neither the time nor the place to do so.”

He added: “We are hostage to a planetary scandal over climate change – a war machine whose aim is to keep us in fear.”


France today: where religious dogma is fair game, but secular AGW dogma is not.
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Re: Climate and the Anthropogenic Global Warming Controversy

Postby Typhoon » Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:04 pm

The news from Paris isn't quite as good,
the treaty hasn't gone over like they thought it would.

G77 Developing countries come together to oppose controversial draft of Paris deal

So the newly industrialized and industrializing nations are not willing to bend over, grab their ankles,
and assume the position with regards to their economic development and standard of living.
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Re: Climate and the Anthropogenic Global Warming Controversy

Postby Simple Minded » Tue Oct 27, 2015 12:13 pm

http://theweek.com/articles/584216/why- ... rs-throats

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Re: Climate and the Anthropogenic Global Warming Controversy

Postby Doc » Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:21 am

Remember that before their emails were hacked East Anglica refused to turn over its data

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... imategate/
NOAA Attempts To Hide The Pause In Global Warming: The Most Disgraceful Cover-Up Since Climategate

NOAA ship Thomas Jefferson at sea.
NOAA

by James Delingpole29 Oct 2015485
The US government’s main climate research agency has refused a request by House Republicans to release key documents concerning the controversial issue of whether or not there has been a “pause” in global warming.

Despite being a public, taxpayer-funded institution, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) insists that it is under no obligation to provide the research papers, as demanded in a subpoena by Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX)
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(R-Texas).

Gosh. What vital information of national secrecy importance could NOAA possibly have to hide?

That question is entirely rhetorical, by the way. The answer is obvious – well known to every one within the climate change research community. And the whole business stinks. When these documents are released, as eventually they surely must be, what will become evident is that this represents the most disgraceful official cover-up by the politicized science establishment since the release of the Climategate emails.

At the root of the issue is the inconvenient truth that there has been no “global warming” since January 1997.

This is clearly shown by the most reliable global temperature dataset – the RSS satellite records – and was even grudgingly acknowledged in the most recent Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Assessment report. While still insisting that there has been a slight warming – an increase, since 1998, of around 0.05 degrees C per decade – the IPCC had in all honesty to admit that this is smaller than the 0.1 degrees C error range for thermometer readings, and consequently statistically insignificant.

But if there has been no “global warming” for nearly 19 years how can alarmist proselytisers like President Obama and John Kerry possibly hope to convince an increasingly skeptical public that this apparently non-existent problem yet remains the most pressing concern of our age?”

Step forward the Obama administration’s helpful friends at NOAA. It’s not supposed to be a politicized institution: its job is to do science, not propaganda. But the memo must have been missed by NOAA scientists Thomas Karl and Thomas Peterson who, in May this year, published a “study” so favourable to the alarmist cause it might just as well have been scripted by Al Gore and Greenpeace, with a royal foreword by the Prince of Wales, and a blessing from Pope Francis.

“Data show no slowdown in recent global warming” declared NOAA’s press release. “The Pause”, in other words, was just the construct of a few warped deniers’ twisted imaginations.

Naturally this new “evidence” was seized on with alacrity by the usual media suspects.

“No Pause in global warming” crowed Scientific American.

“Global warming hasn’t paused, study finds” echoed the Guardian.

But as I reported at the time – in a piece titled “‘Hide the Hiatus!’ How the Climate Alarmists Eliminated the Inconvenient ‘Pause’ in Global Warming” – there was precious little hard science in this swiftly-debunked “study”.

Rather, it was a case of “getting your excuses in early before the UN climate conference in Paris in December.”

Or, as Judy Curry of Georgia Tech put it:

“This short paper is not adequate to explain the very large changes that have been made to the NOAA data set… while I’m sure this latest analysis from NOAA will be regarded as politically useful for the Obama administration [which is currently bent on using executive action to set unilateral emissions limits against the will of Congress], I don’t regard it as a particularly useful contribution to our scientific understanding of what is going on.”

Which is the real reason, of course, that NOAA is so reluctant to respond to Rep Lamar Smith’s subpoena. As will almost certainly become clear, NOAA’s study was a nakedly political artefact not a scientific one.

Alarmist sympathizers such as Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-Texas) may claim that the subpoena constitutes harassment:

“By issuing this subpoena, you have instigated a constitutional conflict with an inquiry that seems more designed to harass climate scientists than to further any legitimate legislative purpose,” she wrote last week. “This is a serious misuse of congressional oversight powers.”

But this is a standard trick in the climate alarmist playbook. The same excuse was trotted out by Michael Mann when Steve McIntyre tried – unsuccessfully – to ask him to share the raw data he had used to create his infamous “Hockey Stick”; it was also employed by another notorious figure from the Climategate emails – Phil Jones of the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia – as part of a campaign to present himself as an innocent victim of harassment rather than an FOI-breaching, data-fudging, grant-troughing conspirator in the great global warming scam.

As I revealed in my book Watermelons: How Environmentalists Are Killing The Planet, Destroying The Economy And Stealing Your Children’s Future, the climate change scam has only been able to keep going for so long because of the complicity of the politicized activist-scientists who have hijacked every one of the world’s leading scientific institutions from NASA GISS, NOAA, and the National Academy of Sciences in the US to the Royal Society and the CRU in Britain to CSIRO in Australia. They endorse one another’s scientifically dubious papers (not so much “peer-review” as “pal review”), they recommend one another for awards, they big one another up at fancy all-expenses-paid climate “science” junkets all around the globe.

And the longer they have got away with it, the more shameless they have become. To give you an idea of how unrepentantly biased NOAA’s Thomas Peterson is here – courtesy of Watts Up With That? – is a cartoon he circulated in 2009, while working on the taxpayers’ dime, in which he ridiculed climate skeptics as a bunch of loons.

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This has nothing to do with science. This is pure political activism. Rep Lamar Smith is quite right to investigate this grotesque abuse of taxpayers’ money and this flagrant corruption of the scientific method at NOAA. I think we can safely bet, however, that NOAA will find a way of staving off his investigation until after the UN Paris talks are over and that the Obama administration will do everything in its power to support its stonewalling.

“The Pause”, as most alarmists are painfully aware, represents the last nail in the coffin of man-made global warming theory. That’s why they’ll go on fighting so hard to pretend it doesn’t exist.

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Re: Climate and the Anthropogenic Global Warming Controversy

Postby Simple Minded » Fri Oct 30, 2015 11:49 am

Doc wrote:Remember that before their emails were hacked East Anglica refused to turn over its data

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... imategate/
NOAA Attempts To Hide The Pause In Global Warming: The Most Disgraceful Cover-Up Since Climategate

NOAA ship Thomas Jefferson at sea.
NOAA

by James Delingpole29 Oct 2015485
The US government’s main climate research agency has refused a request by House Republicans to release key documents concerning the controversial issue of whether or not there has been a “pause” in global warming.



If I was the head of NOAA, I'd claim we kept all that data on Hilary Clinton's server. You need to talk to her.
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Re: Climate and the Anthropogenic Global Warming Controversy

Postby Doc » Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:20 pm

Simple Minded wrote:
Doc wrote:Remember that before their emails were hacked East Anglica refused to turn over its data

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... imategate/
NOAA Attempts To Hide The Pause In Global Warming: The Most Disgraceful Cover-Up Since Climategate

NOAA ship Thomas Jefferson at sea.
NOAA

by James Delingpole29 Oct 2015485
The US government’s main climate research agency has refused a request by House Republicans to release key documents concerning the controversial issue of whether or not there has been a “pause” in global warming.



If I was the head of NOAA, I'd claim we kept all that data on Hilary Clinton's server. You need to talk to her.


Yeah then he could claim it is classified and we will just have to wait until 2024 to find out what is in it

https://foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUME ... 759255.pdf
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Re: Climate and the Anthropogenic Global Warming Controversy

Postby Doc » Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:56 am

http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2015/10 ... 446321864/

NASA study: Net gains for Antarctic ice sheets
The gains came in the form of ice thickening -- thickening researchers have previously dismissed as snow accumulations.
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GREENBELT, Md., Oct. 31 (UPI) -- According to a new NASA study, ice sheet gains outweigh losses on the Antarctic continent. The findings conflict with those of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which in 2013 suggested gains were not keeping up with losses.

The new study, published in the Journal of Glaciology, doesn't totally undermine the handful of studies showing significant glacier, ice sheet and sea ice shrinkage. Instead, if offers evidence of previously unaccounted gains.

The new tallies reveal an annual net gain of 112 billion tons between 1992 and 2001. Annual gains of 82 billion tons were observed between 2003 and 2008.

"We're essentially in agreement with other studies that show an increase in ice discharge in the Antarctic Peninsula and the Thwaites and Pine Island region of West Antarctica," lead study author Jay Zwally, a glaciologist with NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, said in a press release. "Our main disagreement is for East Antarctica and the interior of West Antarctica -- there, we see an ice gain that exceeds the losses in the other areas."

Zwally says the satellite measurements he and his colleagues analyzed reveal "small height changes over large areas, as well as the large changes observed over smaller areas."

The gains came in the form of ice thickening -- thickening researchers have previously dismissed as snow accumulations. But Zwally's study looked at meteorological records to show that snow accumulations have actually dropped off over the last two decades. He and his colleagues also looked at historical meteorological data gleaned from ice cores, and found that snowfall from 10,000 years ago has been slowly compacted and turned into ice over the last several millennia.

The new findings may force scientists to rethink models that attempt to account for sea level rise.

"The good news is that Antarctica is not currently contributing to sea level rise, but is taking 0.23 millimeters per year away," Zwally said. "But this is also bad news. If the 0.27 millimeters per year of sea level rise attributed to Antarctica in the IPCC report is not really coming from Antarctica, there must be some other contribution to sea level rise that is not accounted for."
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Re: Climate and the Anthropogenic Global Warming Controversy

Postby Doc » Mon Nov 09, 2015 3:02 pm

http://www.wsj.com/articles/prosecuting ... 1447020219

Prosecuting Climate Dissent
Progressives target Exxon for punishment over its research.
The Exxon Mobil refinery in Baytown, Texas on September 15, 2008. ENLARGE
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Sheldon Whitehouse got his man. The Rhode Island Senator has been lobbying for prosecutions of oil and gas companies over climate change, and New York Attorney General and progressive activist Eric Schneiderman has now obliged by opening a subpoena assault on Exxon Mobil. This marks a dangerous new escalation of the left’s attempt to stamp out all disagreement on global-warming science and policy.

Progressives have been losing the political debate over climate change, failing to pass cap and trade even when Democrats had a supermajority in Congress. So they have turned to the force of the state through President Obama’s executive diktats and now with the threat of prosecution. This assault won’t stop with Exxon. Climate change is the new religion on the left, and progressives are going to treat heretics like Cromwell did Catholics.
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We mention Mr. Whitehouse because he has been the lead Cromwell in calling for the use of the RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations) statute, a law created to prosecute the mafia, to bring civil cases against companies that fund climate research of which he disapproves. After we called him out in a recent editorial, Mr. Whitehouse denounced us on the Senate floor and compared everyone who disagrees with him to tobacco companies.

The tobacco analogy is instructive, though not in the way Mr. Whitehouse intends. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says that cigarette smoking causes more than 480,000 deaths each year in the United States. The harm from tobacco is manifest and has been for decades. These columns have always acknowledged this reality, albeit that it’s also a legal product that individuals can choose to use at their own risk.

When government in the 1990s forced tobacco companies to pay for the Medicaid costs of smoking-related diseases, the result was to make politicians business partners with the Marlboro Man in steering hundreds of billions of dollars in smoking revenues to federal and state coffers. Mr. Whitehouse may covet a similar revenue gusher in the oil patch.

But regarding climate change, there isn’t a single death anywhere in the world that can be proven to result from an increase in global temperatures caused by the burning of fossil fuels, never mind fuels marketed specifically by Exxon. If human use of fossil fuels is responsible for deaths, then prosecutors should go after Al Gore for flying private jets and Mr. Obama for taking credit for the shale-drilling boom. Even the corrupt American tort system still requires some evidence of harm and specific cause.

This may explain why we’re told that Mr. Schneiderman doesn’t see how he can prove harm from fossil fuels. So instead of RICO he appears to be focused on the Martin Act, the appalling New York state law enacted in 1921 to prosecute stock-sale boiler rooms. The Martin Act doesn’t require prosecutors to prove intent to defraud, which is why it was a favorite tool of the Empire State’s disgraced former AG Eliot Spitzer.

The law also doesn’t require the AG to prove that any particular Exxon investor was harmed and he doesn’t need probable cause to commence an investigation. So Mr. Schneiderman seems to be searching for anything from the Exxon files to suggest the company knew more than it was telling investors about the risks of climate change. He’s demanding Exxon’s documents on climate research from 1977 to 2015, including how the research was used in business projections, how it was described to investors and the public, and how the company communicated on this topic with outside groups such as trade associations.

The Schneiderman investigation follows recent reports in the progressive website Inside Climate News and the Los Angeles Times suggesting that Exxon scientists have known for years that doom is at hand but have not shared this information with the public. The press reports selectively quote from internal Exxon documents to make their case. Exxon has responded by posting quoted documents in their entirety on its website to allow the public to judge.

For example, the L.A. Times characterized an Exxon employee’s presentation to the board in 1989 as reporting that “scientists generally agreed gases released by burning fossil fuels could raise global temperatures significantly.” But the newspaper didn’t quote the part where the Exxon employee noted, “In spite of the rush by participants in the greenhouse debate to declare that the science has demonstrated the existence” of an increase in the natural greenhouse effect due to human activities, “I do not believe such is the case.”
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Even with the fearsome power of the Martin Act, this investigation appears built for media consumption more than courtroom success. There are no “facts” about the eventual extent and impact of climate change that Exxon or anyone else can hide, because inside or outside the company there are only estimates based largely on computer models.

And if the Exxon files reveal various competing conjectures, even in New York it still isn’t illegal to conduct scientific research. Exxon says its scientists have published more than 50 papers on climate-related research in peer-reviewed publications. Exxon has also been explicit in its financial disclosures that the politics of climate change poses potential risks to investors.

By the way, in 2013 the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change reduced the lower end of its forecasted range of global temperature increases due to carbon emissions. Will Mr. Schneiderman subpoena the U.N. to find out when officials first learned that climate change might not be as dramatic as they expected?
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Re: Climate and the Anthropogenic Global Warming Controversy

Postby Typhoon » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:29 am

The AGW histrionics in the main stream media are reaching a fever pitch leading up to the COP21 conference in Paris.
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Re: Climate and the Anthropogenic Global Warming Controversy

Postby Simple Minded » Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:38 pm

Cooler heads....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/classic- ... story.html

ELEUTHERA, Bahamas — Standing atop a 60-foot cliff overlooking the Atlantic, James Hansen — the retired NASA scientist sometimes dubbed the “father of global warming” — examines two small rocks through a magnifying glass. Towering above him is the source of one of the shards: a huge boulder from a pair locals call “the Cow and the Bull,” the largest of which is estimated to weigh more than 1,000 tons.

The two giants have long been tourist attractions along this rocky coast. Perched not far from the edge of a steep cliff that plunges down into blue water, they raise an obvious question: How did they get up here?

Compounding the mystery, these two are among a series of giant boulders arranged in an almost perfect line across a narrow part of this 110-mile-long, wishbone-shaped island.

Hansen and Paul Hearty — a wiry, hammer-slinging geologist from the University of North Carolina at Wilmington who has joined him here as a guide — have a theory about these rocks. It’s so provocative — and, frankly, terrifying — that some critics wonder whether the man who helped spawn the whole debate about the dangers of climate change has finally gone too far.
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Re: Climate and the Anthropogenic Global Warming Controversy

Postby Simple Minded » Tue Dec 01, 2015 1:41 pm

the papal plane looks nice..... I assume it runs on bio-diesel or holy water...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/ ... cvTemGw.97
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Re: Climate and the Anthropogenic Global Warming Controversy

Postby noddy » Tue Dec 01, 2015 1:42 pm

must not say hot air balloon, that would be unkind, so ill save that joke for airforce 1.
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Re: Climate and the Anthropogenic Global Warming Controversy

Postby Nonc Hilaire » Tue Dec 01, 2015 2:55 pm

Why is there an alien head on the microphone?
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Re: Climate and the Anthropogenic Global Warming Controversy

Postby Typhoon » Sat Dec 05, 2015 4:05 pm

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Re: Climate and the Anthropogenic Global Warming Controversy

Postby Simple Minded » Sun Dec 06, 2015 11:28 pm



excellent article Typhoon, thanks for posting! It sounds a lot like Elliott Wave Theory, and blows a lot of OTNOT opinionatin, ruminatin, and speculatin back into the weeds...... Which just goes to show that knowledgeable people with accurate information ain't much fun to interact with on the internet. ;)

I was not at all surprised with the following:

…..that people apply stereotypes when they have no other information about a person, but switch them off when they do……….

How one defines replication will likely impact whether one sees a “replication” as being successful or not……

So while some of social psychology’s classic studies have not been fully replicated……the research has been found to be riddled with p-hacking. (P-hacking refers to the exploitation of researcher degrees of freedom until a desirable result is found)…. (political hacking? or phunding hacking?- SM)

Stereotypes are simply beliefs about a group of people…..

....stereotypes accurately predict demographic criteria, academic achievement, personality and behaviour. This picture becomes more complex, however, when considering nationality or political affiliation. One area of stereotyping which is consistently found to be inaccurate are the stereotypes concerning political affiliation; right-wingers and left wingers tend to caricature each others personalities, most often negatively so…….

……people tend to switch off some of their stereotypes – especially the descriptive ones – when they interact with individuals. It appears that descriptive stereotypes are a crutch to lean on when we have no other information about a person. When we gain additional insights into people, these stereotypes are no longer useful….

In EWT lingo, when people lack information, they switch from higher brain function to amygdala mode and herd....

If even social scientists can start getting their shite together....... maybe there is hope for humanity after all..... at least those who think like us!
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Re: Climate and the Anthropogenic Global Warming Controversy

Postby Simple Minded » Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:38 am

"Nature will take care of itself — nature doesn't need people, people need nature to survive," Harrison Ford told presenter Leigh Sales.

"The planet will be OK, there just won't be any damn people on it."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-09/h ... ge/7015380

WWYD - What Would Yoda Do?

pretty sure in some circles, this known as a self-correcting feedback loop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEOxq7aVKh4
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Re: Climate and the Anthropogenic Global Warming Controversy

Postby Typhoon » Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:49 pm

I feel most privileged.
How many generations in history can say that they were witness to the birth of a new religion?

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Re: Climate and the Anthropogenic Global Warming Controversy

Postby Simple Minded » Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:17 am

Typhoon wrote:I feel most privileged.
How many generations in history can say that they were witness to the birth of a new religion?

Paris COP21 Agreement


Me thinketh thou might be a witch. I wish I could remember the evaluation criteria.... ;)

Actually, you are doubly privileged. You have also witness the rebirth of the Fabius Socialists! :shock:

Stick around another 10 years or so (error bars -2/+6) , and you will be able to say you also witnessed the death of a new religion.
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Re: Climate and the Anthropogenic Global Warming Controversy

Postby noddy » Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:34 am

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 130727.htm

"Eating lettuce is over three times worse in greenhouse gas emissions than eating bacon," said Paul Fischbeck, professor of social and decisions sciences and engineering and public policy. "Lots of common vegetables require more resources per calorie than you would think. Eggplant, celery and cucumbers look particularly bad when compared to pork or chicken."
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Re: Climate and the Anthropogenic Global Warming Controversy

Postby Typhoon » Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:17 am

All the world's a stage.
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Re: Climate and the Anthropogenic Global Warming Controversy

Postby Simple Minded » Sat Dec 19, 2015 4:17 pm



:lol: who didn't see this coming? Raise your hand. Lefty cooperation always breaks down when it comes time to decide which animals are more equal.

Little is more entertaining than watching irrational people (who claim you are so stupid that you just can't get it) self-destruct or eat their own. :P

What do you call someone who believes in AGW but who has not committed suicide? Hypocrite? Non-committed? Denier?
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Re: Climate and the Anthropogenic Global Warming Controversy

Postby Doc » Sun Dec 20, 2015 4:47 pm

http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/12/17/ ... -37-years/


Satellites show no ‘global warming’ for 18 1/2 years – No N. Pole warming for nearly 14 years – No S. Pole warming for 37 years!

U.S. has had no warming for 18 years

South Pole sees no warming for 37 years. 'For the whole of the satellite record, the South Polar region has had a negative trend. So much for a fingerprint of warming due to the enhanced greenhouse effect being greater warming at the Poles!'
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Re: Climate and the Anthropogenic Global Warming Controversy

Postby Typhoon » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:28 am

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Re: Climate and the Anthropogenic Global Warming Controversy

Postby Torchwood » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:49 pm

Cherry picking data. The "no global warming for 18 years" starts from the last big El Nino, in 1997-98, when the world was abnormally warm. There is another big one starting now
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