Microaggressions, trigger warnings, and emotional reasoning

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Re: Microaggressions, trigger warnings, and emotional reason

Postby Simple Minded » Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:45 pm

NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:I find it interesting that the concern is to "win sensibly" instead of learning humility (on both sides) or cultivating a sense of sportsmanship-- which is really a dying concept and the thing that kept people from winning...insensibly.


Are you saying that being insensitive is insensible? ;)

But I have a right to be unhappy!
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Re: Microaggressions, trigger warnings, and emotional reason

Postby NapLajoieonSteroids » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:59 am

Simple Minded wrote:
NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:I find it interesting that the concern is to "win sensibly" instead of learning humility (on both sides) or cultivating a sense of sportsmanship-- which is really a dying concept and the thing that kept people from winning...insensibly.


Are you saying that being insensitive is insensible? ;)

But I have a right to be unhappy!


I won't stand in your way. You are welcome to any corner of the room for a pity party. :)
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Re: Microaggressions, trigger warnings, and emotional reason

Postby Simple Minded » Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:06 pm

NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:
Simple Minded wrote:
NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:I find it interesting that the concern is to "win sensibly" instead of learning humility (on both sides) or cultivating a sense of sportsmanship-- which is really a dying concept and the thing that kept people from winning...insensibly.


Are you saying that being insensitive is insensible? ;)

But I have a right to be unhappy!


I won't stand in your way. You are welcome to any corner of the room for a pity party. :)


Life, liberty and the pursuit of unhappiness!

That's the downside of freedom, no one prevents you from acting as your own worst enemy.... :(
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Re: Microaggressions, trigger warnings, and emotional reason

Postby noddy » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:28 am

NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:I find it interesting that the concern is to "win sensibly" instead of learning humility (on both sides) or cultivating a sense of sportsmanship-- which is really a dying concept and the thing that kept people from winning...insensibly.


true enough, however in my childhood those definitions only worked within a club, not across all the clubs.

the lessons you learnt across all the clubs is that some areas are rougher and more aggressive than others :)

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Some schools, and children's sports leagues have done the same here, IIRC for about 2-5 years. Oddly enough, they claim it will increase their self-esteem, but in practice seems to have the opposite result.


yep, we have a wide range of winter sporting activities and its best for everyone to find the one that works for them, in my childhood noone focused on you being crap at one thing and just encouraged you to find something else because "everyone is good at something"
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Re: Microaggressions, trigger warnings, and emotional reason

Postby NapLajoieonSteroids » Fri Aug 11, 2017 1:48 am

noddy wrote:
NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:I find it interesting that the concern is to "win sensibly" instead of learning humility (on both sides) or cultivating a sense of sportsmanship-- which is really a dying concept and the thing that kept people from winning...insensibly.


true enough, however in my childhood those definitions only worked within a club, not across all the clubs.

the lessons you learnt across all the clubs is that some areas are rougher and more aggressive than others :)

Simple Minded wrote:

Some schools, and children's sports leagues have done the same here, IIRC for about 2-5 years. Oddly enough, they claim it will increase their self-esteem, but in practice seems to have the opposite result.


yep, we have a wide range of winter sporting activities and its best for everyone to find the one that works for them, in my childhood noone focused on you being crap at one thing and just encouraged you to find something else because "everyone is good at something"


There has been a decline in amateur sporting that contributes to the problem. When we aren't talking about kids 16,17,18 years old who are good and begin focusing on going on to a good college program or professional; we start to get parents negatively contributing to the atmosphere and choking out any joy of physical activity and team playing for its own sake. And then you get kids who train year round in a single sport, who are taught to take the field with an urgency to over-perform in the very small instance that someone, somewhere in the crowd is going to fast track you in a career or hand you an all expenses paid type of college scholarship. And the corollary being a refusal of kids to even try out, and fail at, sports that they just aren't good at or never played before.

I played a lot of sports as a kid- individual and team- year round. It wasn't so much I was sport-obsessed as just very active with lots of energy and in need of a place to channel it. Some of those sports I was good at, many I was dreadful. All of them were fun.
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Re: Microaggressions, trigger warnings, and emotional reason

Postby noddy » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:48 am

i wouldnt argue with that but it did occur to me whilst reading it that nobody blinks an eye at 'tiger mums' pushing for artisitic or scientific excellence from their kiddies and yet in modern australia their is probably more football related high paid work than all of the arts and sciences put together :)

for a tiny country we have 4 pro football leagues - soccer, rugby union, rugby league and AFL, each with large rosters and lots of support staff.

which is to say, that this change in attitude in youth amateur sporting occurred for a reason.
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Re: Microaggressions, trigger warnings, and emotional reason

Postby NapLajoieonSteroids » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:43 am

noddy wrote:i wouldnt argue with that but it did occur to me whilst reading it that nobody blinks an eye at 'tiger mums' pushing for artisitic or scientific excellence from their kiddies and yet in modern australia their is probably more football related high paid work than all of the arts and sciences put together :)

for a tiny country we have 4 pro football leagues - soccer, rugby union, rugby league and AFL, each with large rosters and lots of support staff.

which is to say, that this change in attitude in youth amateur sporting occurred for a reason.


I'll echo you and say you're right. It may be the trade-off. And it is very hard to tell the kid (or coach) with some ambitions to avoid running up the score on the oft-chance some sort of scout is in the grandstands watching.
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Re: Microaggressions, trigger warnings, and emotional reason

Postby Simple Minded » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:51 am

http://victorhanson.com/wordpress/the-s ... eneration/

"
Every generation, in its modesty, used to think the prior one was far better....

Yet what is strange about the present age is that our current generation uniquely believes just the opposite. Apparently, we believe that most cadres before us were not up to our standards. Indeed, we are having to clean up their messes of racism, sexism, homophobia, nativism, xenophobia, and Islamophobia, as well as environmental desecration and global warming.

Even their statues must fall as bothersome reminders of their moral depravity. And the way they come down would do either Hitler (who carted off to Germany the French dining car in Compiègne that had been commemorated as the site of the 1918 armistice) or Stalin (who primitively photo-shopped out each year’s new enemies of the people) proud.....

Which prompts more activist outrage by Antifa—a century-old sullen statue of a beaten secessionist Robert E. Lee or the indifference shown to unchecked bloodletting and murder in the streets of Chicago?
"

I heard yesterday that the war on Thomas Jefferson has started in Charlottesville. :D

It will be interesting to see if, at some point, the UVA or city leaders have the backbone to say "Well, if you're offended by local history, you could always go to school or live somewhere else!"

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Re: Microaggressions, trigger warnings, and emotional reason

Postby noddy » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:11 am

its the last throws of a self indulgent and corrupt civilisation eating itself, best to just watch it from a distance.

ive been saying for years that we will become more like the arabs quicker than they will become more like us, petty tribes of braindead idiots mumbling about how their culture used to be on top, blaming conspiracy on why they are not.
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Re: Microaggressions, trigger warnings, and emotional reason

Postby Simple Minded » Sat Aug 26, 2017 3:12 pm

noddy wrote:its the last throws of a self indulgent and corrupt civilisation eating itself, best to just watch it from a distance.

ive been saying for years that we will become more like the arabs quicker than they will become more like us, petty tribes of braindead idiots mumbling about how their culture used to be on top, blaming conspiracy on why they are not.


Yes, but evolution or entropy?
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Re: Microaggressions, trigger warnings, and emotional reason

Postby noddy » Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:58 am

Simple Minded wrote:
noddy wrote:its the last throws of a self indulgent and corrupt civilisation eating itself, best to just watch it from a distance.

ive been saying for years that we will become more like the arabs quicker than they will become more like us, petty tribes of braindead idiots mumbling about how their culture used to be on top, blaming conspiracy on why they are not.


Yes, but evolution or entropy?


ennui.

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Re: Microaggressions, trigger warnings, and emotional reason

Postby Simple Minded » Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:41 am

noddy wrote:
Simple Minded wrote:
noddy wrote:its the last throws of a self indulgent and corrupt civilisation eating itself, best to just watch it from a distance.

ive been saying for years that we will become more like the arabs quicker than they will become more like us, petty tribes of braindead idiots mumbling about how their culture used to be on top, blaming conspiracy on why they are not.


Yes, but evolution or entropy?


ennui.

so many heads full of so many dreams, so few spots on the winners podium.


good point. First world middle classers have so few tigers to outrun, or dragons to slay, and when all the other snowflakes have access to 24/7 broadcasting and soapboxes...... existential angst seems like the inevitable response.

some animals are more equal than others has morphed into some snowflakes are more special than others.

"my righteous indignation's a new fangled hood...."

I'm still blaming parents...... there oughta be a law....
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Re: Microaggressions, trigger warnings, and emotional reason

Postby Typhoon » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:02 pm

Reason | The Fragile Generation

Bad policy and paranoid parenting are making kids too safe to succeed.
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Re: Microaggressions, trigger warnings, and emotional reason

Postby Simple Minded » Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:29 pm

Typhoon wrote:Reason | The Fragile Generation

Bad policy and paranoid parenting are making kids too safe to succeed.


Great article, thanks for posting. My wife and I saw this coming 20 years ago. Not at all surprising.

Children are the most perfect instrument of justice. Just what their parents deserve. My most sincere heartfelt thanks to both God and Darwin.
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Libertarians and taxes

Postby Parodite » Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:33 pm

Trigger warning! Fascinating how some libertarians struggle with taxes.. and democracy.



Rarely I totally agree with others, but this one in the comment section nails it. Could have written it myself. :P


Stefan, as much as I like and agree with most of your commentaries, this one is silly. You rant like a cry baby libertarian who considers taxes as theft when a government (a) decides to steal money from the pocket of a person (b) to give it to a person (c). The same silly argument Ben Shapiro makes when he decries socialism. Well, as unfortunate as that may be, it is called DEMOCRACY where a majority decides how much money is taken from the pocket of person (b) and given to person (c) or some other case of interest (d). If you start questioning the right of people on food stamps to vote on certain issues you sound like a true well to do corporate globalist who screams when his financial safe space is somewhat threatened by the voting plebs.
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Re: Libertarians and taxes

Postby Simple Minded » Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:00 am

Parodite wrote:Trigger warning! Fascinating how some libertarians struggle with taxes.. and democracy.



Rarely I totally agree with others, but this one in the comment section nails it. Could have written it myself. :P


Stefan, as much as I like and agree with most of your commentaries, this one is silly. You rant like a cry baby libertarian who considers taxes as theft when a government (a) decides to steal money from the pocket of a person (b) to give it to a person (c). The same silly argument Ben Shapiro makes when he decries socialism. Well, as unfortunate as that may be, it is called DEMOCRACY where a majority decides how much money is taken from the pocket of person (b) and given to person (c) or some other case of interest (d). If you start questioning the right of people on food stamps to vote on certain issues you sound like a true well to do corporate globalist who screams when his financial safe space is somewhat threatened by the voting plebs.


Well said, meaning the write up, I'll listen later. If you don't like how much you are paying in taxes, you can always break camp and move to a lower tax jurisdiction. Lots of people do so often.

On the other hand, whining, and proclaiming oneself as a victim of a larger majority, is another core aspect of democracy. Allowing the self-styled victims to publicly whine or voice their opinions, may allow then to form a larger voting block, which will result in their will being made law.

The majority decides what the rules are. Fair or unfair has little to do with it, at least from the perspective of the minority member.

Think what you may and vote accordingly, just don't complain when the other people do the same.
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Re: Microaggressions, trigger warnings, and emotional reason

Postby Parodite » Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:57 am

Very true SM. Free speech includes the right to whine! :)
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Re: Microaggressions, trigger warnings, and emotional reason

Postby Simple Minded » Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:22 pm

Parodite wrote:Very true SM. Free speech includes the right to whine! :)


Amen. I don't recall the author, but long ago I recall reading "the greatest right is the right to be wrong."

freedom gets messy. also includes the right to be offended, the right to be obnoxious, etc.
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Re: Microaggressions, trigger warnings, and emotional reason

Postby Simple Minded » Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:24 pm

Musical tribute to the timelessness of teenage existential angst:



I love the lyrics: "I got a baby's brain and an old man's heart"
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Re: Microaggressions, trigger warnings, and emotional reason

Postby Parodite » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:08 pm

Simple Minded wrote:
Parodite wrote:Very true SM. Free speech includes the right to whine! :)


Amen. I don't recall the author, but long ago I recall reading "the greatest right is the right to be wrong."

freedom gets messy. also includes the right to be offended, the right to be obnoxious, etc.


Quite true. To ramble and rave, agree, disagree, agree to disagree, negotiate political decision making and even "truth".. then experience consequences and evaluate them.. then ramble on into the next cycle with some tit bits of what is learned. A messy sort of science but still.. can't think of a better alternative. Assuming of course we have some sort of freely willed choice. (Btw, now that we are at it again, me thinks to narrow free will to only conscious free willed choice is a bad idea. There are good reasons to assume that free will extends to, already starts in unconscious processes! Will brew on that one for the philosophy thread on free will. :P)
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Re: Libertarians and taxes

Postby Mr. Perfect » Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:22 am

Parodite wrote:Trigger warning! Fascinating how some libertarians struggle with taxes.. and democracy.

Rarely I totally agree with others, but this one in the comment section nails it. Could have written it myself. :P

Stefan, as much as I like and agree with most of your commentaries, this one is silly. You rant like a cry baby libertarian who considers taxes as theft when a government (a) decides to steal money from the pocket of a person (b) to give it to a person (c). The same silly argument Ben Shapiro makes when he decries socialism. Well, as unfortunate as that may be, it is called DEMOCRACY where a majority decides how much money is taken from the pocket of person (b) and given to person (c) or some other case of interest (d). If you start questioning the right of people on food stamps to vote on certain issues you sound like a true well to do corporate globalist who screams when his financial safe space is somewhat threatened by the voting plebs.

Actually the comment has it quite wrong. We do not live in a democracy, nobody on planet earth lives in a democracy. Nor would they want too, democracy is a tyranny of the majority at the expense of a minority.

Most of us in the West live in representative government. In the US we took it a step further, setting it up as a Constitutional Republic. As such our government has strict limits DESPITE whatever a majority may decide to do.

These limits have severely eroded over the generations, starting with the Federal Reserve, then the New Deal, Great Society and finally obamunism. Molyneaux is part of the project to bring it back. Taxation is immoral and must be treated as such.

At the time of the Founding Fathers government was 1% GDP.
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Re: Microaggressions, trigger warnings, and emotional reason

Postby noddy » Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:07 pm

you could lose 50% of it without noticing much, except for the hysterics of those that have to join the open job market. poor suckers, imagine how they suffer having to apply for a job like the rest of us.

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Re: Libertarians and taxes

Postby Parodite » Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:39 pm

Mr. Perfect wrote:
Parodite wrote:Trigger warning! Fascinating how some libertarians struggle with taxes.. and democracy.

Rarely I totally agree with others, but this one in the comment section nails it. Could have written it myself. :P

Stefan, as much as I like and agree with most of your commentaries, this one is silly. You rant like a cry baby libertarian who considers taxes as theft when a government (a) decides to steal money from the pocket of a person (b) to give it to a person (c). The same silly argument Ben Shapiro makes when he decries socialism. Well, as unfortunate as that may be, it is called DEMOCRACY where a majority decides how much money is taken from the pocket of person (b) and given to person (c) or some other case of interest (d). If you start questioning the right of people on food stamps to vote on certain issues you sound like a true well to do corporate globalist who screams when his financial safe space is somewhat threatened by the voting plebs.

Actually the comment has it quite wrong. We do not live in a democracy, nobody on planet earth lives in a democracy. Nor would they want too, democracy is a tyranny of the majority at the expense of a minority.

Most of us in the West live in representative government. In the US we took it a step further, setting it up as a Constitutional Republic. As such our government has strict limits DESPITE whatever a majority may decide to do.

These limits have severely eroded over the generations, starting with the Federal Reserve, then the New Deal, Great Society and finally obamunism. Molyneaux is part of the project to bring it back. Taxation is immoral and must be treated as such.

At the time of the Founding Fathers government was 1% GDP.


My view on democracy is that is not much of a guarantee for anything, but that in as far is it functions it is quite comparable to trade negotiations in a free market. The content of the trade in politics however is not always obvious... but something is sold and consumed. From favorable hair-do's en heros, to metaphysical identity, to wages to taxes, to law and law enforcement. Even morality is a commodity that can be negotiated and traded for a price. All is just what people value, think they should have what they haven't yet.

I don't believe much in a society that can do without negotiations. The "violence" of a majority vote is the same "violence" of the market putting a higher price tag on (a) versus (b) due to demand-supply equations. The state is like any market actor that wants more and needs more.. and more. Problem is of course that the state is not exposed to the same market forces as other businesses so it has natural tendency of to grow like a cancer into a monopoly of power. But true monopolies are not sustainable; they become too big not too fail, just like too big banks, central banks, the EU is on its way too collapse. Too big to not fail governments and the financial structures that support them die through bankruptcy and/or violent revolutions.

Given the damage that too-big-not-to-fail monopolies do to societies, one can just accept and live with it and try be prepared for the next big bust, or perhaps use the battle field of democracy to try make the whole cycle, the ups and downs more moderate, putting some ceilings on the big highs and floor below the big lows to moderate the cycles.

To prune, trim down the naturally cancerous obese government should be maintenance as usual, I like to have something in the constitution. Some Government Obesitas Prevention Act. But a gvt trimmed down and regularly maintained is not enough. Monopolies grow in every corner of life. It is the life force itself doing this. Nothing wrong with it, I'd say let's be grateful that the race towards monopoly exists. Everybody wants the golden medal and be on top. To win, to dominate and have your competitors in the ditch. But there needs to be enough competition between all these forces to have a nice boiling, dynamic soup instead of big monopolies exploding in everyones face with more damage than otherwise necessary.
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Re: Microaggressions, trigger warnings, and emotional reason

Postby Typhoon » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:03 am

What I find interesting is that today every industrialized nation I can think of offhand is in debt
at the national, prefecture/state/province/département/etc/regional, and city levels.

Leads me to wonder if the maintenance of infrastructure innately costs more than a nation can afford.
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Re: Microaggressions, trigger warnings, and emotional reason

Postby noddy » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:03 am

the trick is being able to go broke.

any business that over invests on infrastructure that doesnt pay for itself or that weighs itself down too much with middle management can go broke, then someone else can pick up the pieces cheaply.

when that happens with governments its called imperialism and frowned upon.

however, seperate to all that is rent seeking and how much humans love it and need it.

everyone wants to set themselves up as a rent collector, someone who gets paid for nothing and government work has a whole bunch more avenues than private work.
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