Microaggressions, trigger warnings, and emotional reasoning

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Re: Microaggressions, trigger warnings, and emotional reason

Postby Simple Minded » Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:45 pm

NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:I find it interesting that the concern is to "win sensibly" instead of learning humility (on both sides) or cultivating a sense of sportsmanship-- which is really a dying concept and the thing that kept people from winning...insensibly.


Are you saying that being insensitive is insensible? ;)

But I have a right to be unhappy!
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Re: Microaggressions, trigger warnings, and emotional reason

Postby NapLajoieonSteroids » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:59 am

Simple Minded wrote:
NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:I find it interesting that the concern is to "win sensibly" instead of learning humility (on both sides) or cultivating a sense of sportsmanship-- which is really a dying concept and the thing that kept people from winning...insensibly.


Are you saying that being insensitive is insensible? ;)

But I have a right to be unhappy!


I won't stand in your way. You are welcome to any corner of the room for a pity party. :)
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Re: Microaggressions, trigger warnings, and emotional reason

Postby Simple Minded » Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:06 pm

NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:
Simple Minded wrote:
NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:I find it interesting that the concern is to "win sensibly" instead of learning humility (on both sides) or cultivating a sense of sportsmanship-- which is really a dying concept and the thing that kept people from winning...insensibly.


Are you saying that being insensitive is insensible? ;)

But I have a right to be unhappy!


I won't stand in your way. You are welcome to any corner of the room for a pity party. :)


Life, liberty and the pursuit of unhappiness!

That's the downside of freedom, no one prevents you from acting as your own worst enemy.... :(
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Re: Microaggressions, trigger warnings, and emotional reason

Postby noddy » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:28 am

NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:I find it interesting that the concern is to "win sensibly" instead of learning humility (on both sides) or cultivating a sense of sportsmanship-- which is really a dying concept and the thing that kept people from winning...insensibly.


true enough, however in my childhood those definitions only worked within a club, not across all the clubs.

the lessons you learnt across all the clubs is that some areas are rougher and more aggressive than others :)

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Some schools, and children's sports leagues have done the same here, IIRC for about 2-5 years. Oddly enough, they claim it will increase their self-esteem, but in practice seems to have the opposite result.


yep, we have a wide range of winter sporting activities and its best for everyone to find the one that works for them, in my childhood noone focused on you being crap at one thing and just encouraged you to find something else because "everyone is good at something"
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Re: Microaggressions, trigger warnings, and emotional reason

Postby NapLajoieonSteroids » Fri Aug 11, 2017 1:48 am

noddy wrote:
NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:I find it interesting that the concern is to "win sensibly" instead of learning humility (on both sides) or cultivating a sense of sportsmanship-- which is really a dying concept and the thing that kept people from winning...insensibly.


true enough, however in my childhood those definitions only worked within a club, not across all the clubs.

the lessons you learnt across all the clubs is that some areas are rougher and more aggressive than others :)

Simple Minded wrote:

Some schools, and children's sports leagues have done the same here, IIRC for about 2-5 years. Oddly enough, they claim it will increase their self-esteem, but in practice seems to have the opposite result.


yep, we have a wide range of winter sporting activities and its best for everyone to find the one that works for them, in my childhood noone focused on you being crap at one thing and just encouraged you to find something else because "everyone is good at something"


There has been a decline in amateur sporting that contributes to the problem. When we aren't talking about kids 16,17,18 years old who are good and begin focusing on going on to a good college program or professional; we start to get parents negatively contributing to the atmosphere and choking out any joy of physical activity and team playing for its own sake. And then you get kids who train year round in a single sport, who are taught to take the field with an urgency to over-perform in the very small instance that someone, somewhere in the crowd is going to fast track you in a career or hand you an all expenses paid type of college scholarship. And the corollary being a refusal of kids to even try out, and fail at, sports that they just aren't good at or never played before.

I played a lot of sports as a kid- individual and team- year round. It wasn't so much I was sport-obsessed as just very active with lots of energy and in need of a place to channel it. Some of those sports I was good at, many I was dreadful. All of them were fun.
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Re: Microaggressions, trigger warnings, and emotional reason

Postby noddy » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:48 am

i wouldnt argue with that but it did occur to me whilst reading it that nobody blinks an eye at 'tiger mums' pushing for artisitic or scientific excellence from their kiddies and yet in modern australia their is probably more football related high paid work than all of the arts and sciences put together :)

for a tiny country we have 4 pro football leagues - soccer, rugby union, rugby league and AFL, each with large rosters and lots of support staff.

which is to say, that this change in attitude in youth amateur sporting occurred for a reason.
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Re: Microaggressions, trigger warnings, and emotional reason

Postby NapLajoieonSteroids » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:43 am

noddy wrote:i wouldnt argue with that but it did occur to me whilst reading it that nobody blinks an eye at 'tiger mums' pushing for artisitic or scientific excellence from their kiddies and yet in modern australia their is probably more football related high paid work than all of the arts and sciences put together :)

for a tiny country we have 4 pro football leagues - soccer, rugby union, rugby league and AFL, each with large rosters and lots of support staff.

which is to say, that this change in attitude in youth amateur sporting occurred for a reason.


I'll echo you and say you're right. It may be the trade-off. And it is very hard to tell the kid (or coach) with some ambitions to avoid running up the score on the oft-chance some sort of scout is in the grandstands watching.
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