Faith and modernity

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noddy wrote:.
Heracleum Persicum wrote:.

any woman who does not max sexual pleasure to her husband goes to hell, is in Koran

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in this weekz game of 'guess the genitals on the prophet' we have ...

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When it comes to sex, everyone is an expert. :)

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This not at all about sex .. this pure theology


Debate is about the attitude of Christianity versus Islam towards "pleasures in life", Sex being one of them.

Christianity does not promote, push individual to enjoy "pleasures of life" .. that is why Christianity is Tristesse .. the opposite true with Islam.

Interesting to observe Christian cathedrals, top of the entry, big statues with big swords, around periphery wild animal statue (supposedly guarding) .. one has a scary feeling .. is intentional .. scaring the illiterate vassal into obeying.

In Islam, things take more a joyous shape .. things become more like partying .. Even Hadj is sort of Garden Party sentiment, joyous

The difference comes mainly from Christians thinking they must suffer for Christ paying for their sins (stipulating they sinners) .. no such thought in Islam (you sinner only doing bad thing), no aware Moh paying for other's sin, on the contrary he had fun with all woman he could have his hands on .. he explicitly said I have no control of my dick (others now payin for HIS sin :lol: )

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HP, you are confusing Christianity with stoicism and epicurianism.

Which Christian author are you reading is espouses this rejection of pleasure? I think it is simply a misperception on your part.
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Lord make me chaste, but not yet.

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Typhoon wrote:
Lord make me chaste, but not yet.

~ Augustine of Hippo
Great quote, and one I can identify with.

The question is does Christianity reject pleasure, and the answer is absolutely no.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote:HP, you are confusing Christianity with stoicism and epicurianism.

Which Christian author are you reading is espouses this rejection of pleasure? I think it is simply a misperception on your part.

Have to admit, my knowledge of theological field very limited, have not read anything in that field.

But, a very keen observer


Nonc Hilaire wrote:
Typhoon wrote:
Lord make me chaste, but not yet.

~ Augustine of Hippo
Great quote, and one I can identify with.

The question is does Christianity reject pleasure, and the answer is absolutely no.

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NH, facts on the ground, many facts, unfortunately, attest "Christianity reject (physical) pleasure".

I have been in all European Cathedrals, have even written a paper about them, non gives you a feeling of joy or happiness, cold fearful sad places .. Not so historic mosques.

Reason is in the heart of the matter .. Islam is not a "spiritual" or Philosophical "religion", that bit spirituality and philosophical dept Islam might claim is entirely from Persian Philosophers who tried to "spin" a "primitive" Arabian tribal movement into something more .. Rumi comet to mind.

Islam an Arabian (as good as you can get with that folks) "Confucianism", earthly rules for a society, from top to bottom, everything pretty much "regulated", regulation for doing business, taxes (flat rate, 20%), marriage, birth, burial, responsibilities of (and how to treat) wife/husband, a very big chapter (even in Koran) dedicated to SEX, sex practices, when, how, do and not do (don't know of any "not do") and Joy of life, having fun and and and

Funny - mad mullahs now trying to push up Iranian birthrate, marriage, have introduced SEX education .. many clips in uTube, mad mullahs giving SEX advise in front of girls and boys (probably new wed) .. also .. woman give SEX advice to (religious) woman in Mashad (all in Farsi) .. I have not seen such explicit sex talk, point blank saying unbelievable stuff, in detail advising the colour of lingerie and tung and BJ and and and .. BJ is not "Haraam" and swallowing is OK , anal is not "Haraam" too .. between man and woman, pretty much everything is welcomed .. and .. funny part is, always citing Moh what he supposedly had said to that subject, Moh for sure was fun guy :lol:

Christianity on the other side is much more philosophical .. Suffering can lead to salvation .. central of this thinking is, we all sinners, Jesus suffered for our sins, and, achieving "salvation" is through "suffering"

A Persian (mongul) king, a devote Muslim, built a "Slide" in his Haarem, his wives standing in line to slide down the slide, him sitting at the bottom end of the slide legs apart waiting for the BANG .. this not quite exactly Opus Dei

Agree, this not the norm, but, spirit and direction of things quite clear.

The reason for all the above is the essence of this .. Moh just came to "regulate", "clear cut" laws .. zero to do with salvation or morality or spirituality .. Jesus on the other side, Christianity, afaik, does not have any "regulation" (those silly things RCC introduced just their own making), it was more morality.

That leads us to how "AND WHY" Christianity came into being ..

IMVVHO, the story goes as follows : A few very smart Rabbies, realized Judaism has not the potential to become "cosmopolitan" (it was a tribal religion) .. Judaism, very similar to Islam (Islam being a copy of Judaism), is a tribal religion, basically all "regulation", and, lack of any Spirituality and philosophical dept (not so Zoroastrianism), there is no "conversion" in Judaism (4get that rubbish "reform Judaism", it ain't), you must be from the Hebrew tribe.

The wise Rabbies are those Saint Peter etc etc .. that was the intention and the theory

But, Christianity we know today, is Christianity of Middle Ages .. and that is a different story .. the crooks hijacked it, otherwise colonialism, slavery, Hitler and many other things of that sort can not be explained.


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Heracleum Persicum wrote: , , ,

But, Christianity we know today, is Christianity of Middle Ages .. and that is a different story .. the crooks hijacked it, otherwise colonialism, slavery, Hitler and many other things of that sort can not be explained.

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Did you not study world history in school?

Much of the history of all humanity is one of occupation, slavery, and attempted and/or successful genocide.
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Typhoon wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote: , , ,

But, Christianity we know today, is Christianity of Middle Ages .. and that is a different story .. the crooks hijacked it, otherwise colonialism, slavery, Hitler and many other things of that sort can not be explained.

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Did you not study world history in school ?

Much of the history of all humanity is one of occupation, slavery, and attempted and/or successful genocide.

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That differentiate Persia from rest of the world

No such things in Persian history

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What Americans Get Wrong About Porn


If we want an alternative to the vision of sex presented in pornography, we need to start by having open, honest and unashamed talks about sex. We need to stop treating sex as a taboo topic, and start treating it as an ordinary aspect of life, one that young people should be educated about in all its weird, wonderful, risky and rewarding complexity. If we create a culture where sexuality is accepted as a healthy, positive part of life, then we’ll be able to appreciate porn for the wild, unrealistic fantasy that it was always intended to be.
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Heracleum Persicum wrote:
Typhoon wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote: , , ,

But, Christianity we know today, is Christianity of Middle Ages .. and that is a different story .. the crooks hijacked it, otherwise colonialism, slavery, Hitler and many other things of that sort can not be explained.

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Did you not study world history in school ?

Much of the history of all humanity is one of occupation, slavery, and attempted and/or successful genocide.

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That differentiate Persia from rest of the world.


No such things in Persian history

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The Babylonian exile was well documented. Persia kept excellent records of their conquests and occupations.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:
Typhoon wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote: , , ,

But, Christianity we know today, is Christianity of Middle Ages .. and that is a different story .. the crooks hijacked it, otherwise colonialism, slavery, Hitler and many other things of that sort can not be explained.

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Did you not study world history in school ?

Much of the history of all humanity is one of occupation, slavery, and attempted and/or successful genocide.

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That differentiate Persia from rest of the world.


No such things in Persian history

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The Babylonian exile was well documented. Persia kept excellent records of their conquests and occupations.


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True , yes , all chronicled , day by day

And that proves what I said above.

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Parodite wrote:vuomB-SPYuk
:lol: Love it. Occupational hazard of trying to save someone....... they might try to save you!

Depending upon my mood, sometimes my favorite reply to "have you heard the word of god lately?" is, "Yes, I was talking to him the other day. He said he never heard of you!"
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Simple Minded wrote:
Parodite wrote:vuomB-SPYuk
:lol: Love it. Occupational hazard of trying to save someone....... they might try to save you!

Depending upon my mood, sometimes my favorite reply to "have you heard the word of god lately?" is, "Yes, I was talking to him the other day. He said he never heard of you!"
Very good. Will remember that one.

I was walking with a colleague along Michigan Avenue. There were Orthodox Jews standing at the corners once every few blocks.
I forget the name of the sect, but it is one that proselytizes to other Jews. They were wishing Jews a Happy Chanukkah.
One asked my colleague, "Are you Jewish?"
My colleague replied, "Not yet."
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Typhoon wrote: Very good. Will remember that one.

I was walking with a colleague along Michigan Avenue. There were Orthodox Jews standing at the corners once every few blocks.
I forget the name of the sect, but it is one that proselytizes to other Jews. They were wishing Jews a Happy Chanukkah.
One asked my colleague, "Are you Jewish?"
My colleague replied, "Not yet."
Reminds me of the reply to "So, this is your hometown. Have you lived here all of your life?"
"Not yet."
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