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Tip of the hat to "Doc" . . .

Sixties liberalism swept away our shared sense of decency
A crass, 'anything goes’ culture is as stupid and pernicious as a prudish and repressive one
I would tend to agree.
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Typhoon wrote:Tip of the hat to "Doc" . . .

Sixties liberalism swept away our shared sense of decency
A crass, 'anything goes’ culture is as stupid and pernicious as a prudish and repressive one
I would tend to agree.
Most of the behavior is attention seeking. Though there is much that is really for other motives that is even worse.

In other forums besides here and Spengler I have taken to answer crass insults with some variation of:

"And what would you do with the lives of "_<what ever they called me>_" like me?"

Which often causes confusion until they realize I am comparing them with abusive fascists without actually calling them fascists.

Fascists being what they really are acting like.

Except for one guy I decided is probably mentally ill, they all gave up by the third reply.

It is amazing how many other posters take note and clean up their replies. :D
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whos definition of decent ?

azaris ? tinkers ? mr p's ? endos ? any of the other spenglerverse ?


i think the multicultural thing is out of the bag, it will take a fair bit of slaughter to put it back in.
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noddy wrote:whos definition of decent ?

azaris ? tinkers ? mr p's ? endos ? any of the other spenglerverse ?
Well put!

Love ya Bro! :D

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noddy wrote:whos definition of decent ?

azaris ? tinkers ? mr p's ? endos ? any of the other spenglerverse ?


i think the multicultural thing is out of the bag, it will take a fair bit of slaughter to put it back in.

I would define it as being civil.

Multiculturalism is dead.
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Doc wrote:
noddy wrote:whos definition of decent ?

azaris ? tinkers ? mr p's ? endos ? any of the other spenglerverse ?


i think the multicultural thing is out of the bag, it will take a fair bit of slaughter to put it back in.

I would define it as being civil.
another word with a diverse array of definitions, blunt truth civility or subtle talking around the subject variety ?
Doc wrote:Multiculturalism is dead.
a minority opinion for the moment.

the question is if that changes do things split into many monocultures or does one of the stronger groups slaughter its way back to total control.
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A lost sense of shared civility has left a lot in ways of vulnerability to predatory types.
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noddy wrote:
Doc wrote:
noddy wrote:whos definition of decent ?

azaris ? tinkers ? mr p's ? endos ? any of the other spenglerverse ?


i think the multicultural thing is out of the bag, it will take a fair bit of slaughter to put it back in.

I would define it as being civil.
another word with a diverse array of definitions, blunt truth civility or subtle talking around the subject variety ?
Blunt non civility for one. It seems to me that many left wing posters on some sites take all arguments immediately to blunt non civility immediately. I tend to pay attention to such things and take to trying verbally beating them up in a "civil way" I don't call people names but in general it offends me when I see people being uncivil in a junior high school kind of way. Mostly they do it to avoid all discussion. So I try to make them look at least childish and at most "monster like" in more subtle ways. I am not sure how much better that makes me but I do get results in getting people to be more civil towards each other.
Doc wrote:Multiculturalism is dead.
a minority opinion for the moment.

the question is if that changes do things split into many monocultures or does one of the stronger groups slaughter its way back to total control.
I think multiculturalism is over done. In Europe it always struck me that Multiculturalism was an attempt to copy the US and go beyond how things are in the US. The US is the most multi cultured country in the world when you get right down to it. They teach in more languages in LA than total languages spoken in most countries.

I suppose the internet is to blame for a lot of what is uncivil I miss the days when few used it. I guess about 1998 or 1999 people started getting ugly. Not that Usenet was not endless flame wars but in general I guess people were so amazed by the internet they were on their best behavior otherwise.

Plus the internet gave voice to what Nixon called "the silent majority"

http://chnm.gmu.edu/hardhats/silent.html

Which was true that at least a large portion of the population of the US was more conservative and for the most part silent. The Kent state shootings showed that to be true. After the shootings towards the end of the school year students came back home from college outraged about the shootings and their parents often told them that it should have been their kid that got shot.

Altamont Speedway(As in gimme shelter) in Dec 1969 and the Kent state shootings in my 1970 pretty killed off the counter culture/ anti war movement in the US.

Anyway the load A$$ left came out of the 1960s because that is how they learned to get their way. When the internet came along the culture wars were probably inevitable. Though I still do not like them when they are not civil in nature.
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My understanding is that the USA was a "melting pot" of cultures, whereas in Canada multiculturalism is something of an official policy.

The most multicultural city in the world

Comparing two US cities of comparable size, Chicago and Toronto, my impression was that Toronto is far far more multicultural.

Anyways, Canada seems to work reasonably well.
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Typhoon wrote:My understanding is that the USA was a "melting pot" of cultures...
Typhoon,

Maybe someone forgot to turn the gas on?

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noddy wrote:whos definition of decent ?

azaris ? tinkers ? mr p's ? endos ? any of the other spenglerverse ?


i think the multicultural thing is out of the bag, it will take a fair bit of slaughter to put it back in.

A few "Realities"


U.S. prison population dwarfs that of other nations .. Per capita Prisoners


Obesity could affect 42% of Americans by 2030


CNN - Why does America lead the world in school shootings ?


U.S. Leads Developed World in Child Abuse Death Rate


41% OF NYC PREGNANCIES END IN ABORTION


10 percent of men and women in America are now taking drugs to combat depression.
How did a once rare condition become so common?



Internet Pornography Stats .. Online porn drove boy of 12 to rape girl, 9


Married couples at a record low .. Divorce Rate


And many other "realities" that I don't post


Question now arises, why so ? .. whose fault was/is that our beloved America arrived to this ? ?

Was it people coming from other "cultures" (multiculturalism) who did this to America ? ?

Was Sexual Revolution and now Homosexual Marriage and rampant racism of white America due to foreigners in America ? ?

Why are Americans (woman and man), even when they prospering, on depression drugs, why are pretty much all children on mood controlling drugs, why pretty much all elite on Cocaine, why 50% of children in NY are aborted ?

All the above has a deeeeeep reason .. it ain't the immigrants, nor multiculturalism

ask if want to know that reason and more :lol:

Typhoon wrote:My understanding is that the USA was a "melting pot" of cultures...
CS, heart of the matter in this disaster not the "melting" .. rather, melting with "what"


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i dont blame immigrants azari, its an ironic situation.

the people that brought in all the things you seem to also dislike, are also the people that want the most immigration - its the post 60's counter culture lefty types that hate the old wasp culture.

the old wasp culture wouldnt have allowed much immigration to have any problems with it :-)
All the above has a deeeeeep reason .. it ain't the immigrants, nor multiculturalism

ask if want to know that reason and more
go on, you know you want to.

i have a sneeky suspicion its cause they dont have enough rumi in their life.
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noddy wrote:i dont blame immigrants azari, its an ironic situation.

the people that brought in all the things you seem to also dislike, are also the people that want the most immigration - its the post 60's counter culture lefty types that hate the old wasp culture.

the old wasp culture wouldnt have allowed much immigration to have any problems with it :-)
All the above has a deeeeeep reason .. it ain't the immigrants, nor multiculturalism

ask if want to know that reason and more
go on, you know you want to.

i have a sneeky suspicion its cause they dont have enough rumi in their life.

Yes,

Look, noddy, a culture, civilization must built on a "Platform" .. and .. that platform can not be "military power", or (non defined, pervert) freedom or financial etc.

There is only one "Platform" that a civilization can built on that would last for 1000s of yrs .. Humanität .. every action, laws, move etc must be weight with a scale of Humanität


Assuming you read my post (Iran or Persia, pls do), there is a lesson 2B learned from fact how a nation of so many ethnics endured so many disasters (Alexander, Arabs, Monguls, Brits, Russian, Brits) in one piece and still kickin .. highest Western universities should debate and study this

If you look at "Western Philosophy", philosophers, Hegel, Kant, Goethe, Schiller, Hippocrates, Herodotus, Plato etc etc you would think they mathematicians, vivid in Pythagoras, an great philosopher AND mathematician

But .. those western philosophers never talked about "Humanität" .. they talk philosophy as logic/mathematics.

Well, humans are no logical/mathematical robots, humans function on Humanität

And that is "Persian Civilization"
In this search for intellectual identity poetry became the bedrock of Persian exceptionalism… and one work stands above all others, a national epic by the 10th century laureate Firdausi, the Shahnameh, or the Book of Kings. Thirty years in the writing and the longest such narrative poem in the world, it spread rapidly not in print but orally (and powerfully) from generation to generation.

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Firdausi’s epic restored Persian self-confidence. He purged Arabic from his language and created a new “purified” Persian, at the same time damning the Arab invaders: “There will be tyranny of soul and tongue. A mongrel race—Iranian, Turkoman, Arab—will come to be and talk gibberish…”

American congress and Senate should make obligatory for Senators and Congressman to read Shahnameh

"Book of Kings" is an epic, written for 35 yrs, how a nation should be, values, ethics, morals, good, bad, fairness, big heart and many many other teachings, explained in form of story of Persian Kings, princes and public .. all Pomegranates, including central Asians and Caucasus, Greater Persia, all population, know the verses of Shahnameh by heart even if illiterate .. they would answer a question with narrative of Shahnamen (imagine being illiterate).

Reason America in this situation is, things in America are highjacked buy "interest groups", by money .. American politicians must raise money to be elected, they sell their soul to the money, Doctor Faustus

It is reported that the "Hedge Funds" were instrumental to push the "gay marriage" rubbish

Hedge funds ? ? :lol:

Same hedge funds who milkin & shorted America ?

Are these people America wants to lead American civilization and culture of future ? ?

If the answer is yes, then why complaining ?

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well, you just proved my point, which is nice :)

the modern anglsphere is not a culture, its a mix of different cultures, anyone of those cultures has little power to tell the other cultures they need to change.

the white migrants are probably about 50% of the population and they are split 50/50 ish between irreconcilable political views, all the different immigrants like yourself have your own views which dont always make sense against the original wasp rules.

im not complaining about immigrants, im just saying all this blah blah nonsense about culture is irrelevant and wrong and comes from peple who dont live in the modern anglosphere and dont understand just how fractured it all is in terms of viewponts.

its not a coherant society, its a framework - if we are lucky we will end up like india and have chaos...if we are unlucky then the powers that be (tm) will exploit all the uncertainty and the police state will get worse.

trust comes from civilisations expererience over centuries, you cant just dump millions of strangers together and expect them to act like genuflecting priests. its a madness.
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Heracleum Persicum wrote: Hedge funds ? ? :lol:

Same hedge funds who milkin & shorted America ?

Are these people America wants to lead American civilization and culture of future ? ?

If the answer is yes, then why complaining ?

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the importance of hedge funds and real estate booms and all the other parasite industry is not a morality issue nor cause of any problems.

its a symptom of the lack of alternatives, which is the core issue we have all discussed over last decade which is the death of the high middle class employment industrial age and the lack of any replacement for it.

people throw money at the next big thing and their is no next big thing, so the money is ending up in fleecing and parasite scams.
If you look at "Western Philosophy", philosophers, Hegel, Kant, Goethe, Schiller, Hippocrates, Herodotus, Plato etc etc you would think they mathematicians, vivid in Pythagoras, an great philosopher AND mathematician

But .. those western philosophers never talked about "Humanität" .. they talk philosophy as logic/mathematics.

Well, humans are no logical/mathematical robots, humans function on Humanität

And that is "Persian Civilization"
the fact you think we are subhuman and need your morality to become human is all the story i need to know.

i like how you ignored all the religious thinkers in your list of people above, are you trying to lie ?
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noddy,

Definition: "Humanity" - The art or practice of saving humans from being human.

Seems easy enough......

YMix still had the best signature ever..........
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I think the author could use a better sense of Hume, er, . . . Well, a bit of philosophy at the least.

The human spirit has tremendous power when united behind a cause, but needs to be aware of the thesis, antithesis, synthesis process.

Evil or worthless results come from thesis/antithesis conflicts like Red Guard or Occupy where each side tries to only fix faults in the other.

Amazingly good results occur with great rapidity when both sides work towards a new synthesis of ideas like civil rights or the American revolution. We need inspiration and work toward a common goal, which is hard to find right now.
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Doc wrote:Multiculturalism is dead.
Good riddance... I am all in favour of syncretism and eclecticism...
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multiculturism is a social experiment done by bored middle class whites who like new food and music.

they pretty much define it as new food and music, the rest is all rejected as racism because everyone agrees with middle class whites, those folks are the living definition of a perfect society so its self evident all cultures will become them if they could.
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noddy wrote:multiculturism is a social experiment done by bored middle class whites who like new food and music.

they pretty much define it as new food and music, the rest is all rejected as racism because everyone agrees with middle class whites, those folks are the living definition of a perfect society so its self evident all cultures will become them if they could.
Whenever I hear the word multiculturism, I release the safety on my trebuchet pre-loaded with the corpses of diseased farm animals.

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:)
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It just occurred to me that noddy is light years ahead of the rest of the enlightened proselytizers on this issue.

Would not multiculturalism in its purest, most efficient form occur only when no one notices?

I suspect their broadcasts have a lot to do with generating income.
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i understand it when its called multiracial :)

after that, its just babble from people who assume everyone agrees with them and get shocked when they find out thats not really true.
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Simple Minded wrote:It just occurred to me that noddy is light years ahead of the rest of the enlightened proselytizers on this issue.
Of course he is ahead, the sun rises earlier for him than for the rest of us. That's how he pulls it off- the bastard is cheating. :)
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