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NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:let's put it this way, even if you don't like Zack Snyder, the Justice League movie they put out is in worst shape than it should've been because they clearly go out of their way to un-Snyder the whole movie without actually replacing Snyder.

There were maybe two or three complete scenes which were clearly directed by Snyder. Even then, there is a very noticeable overdubbing of dialogue which at parts pass the the comically amateurish "his lips are not in sync with his lines" and the color correction to de-Snyder it make scenes look a lot uglier than they should. There are lots of bits and pieces Snyder shot in the first two acts (the third is almost completely superhack Joss Whedon) which are frankenstein'd into Whedon's scenes to a jarring, confusing and overall unappealing mess.


Warner Brothers should've either taken the financial hit and delayed the movie/fired Snyder OR just rode Snyder's vision out-- both options would've been cheaper than the half a billion mess they ended up with.

finally saw this now that its on buccaneers - it was a shocker of disjointed scenes badly spliced together.

above and beyond all that - the CGI for the evil monster was like that famously awful scorpion king scene - I was gobsmacked how bad it was.
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As part of my never ending quest to become more worldly and sophisticated, I watched Goodbye Christopher Robin to learn about them British type people, and Red Dog, True Blue to learn about them exiled British type people in Straya.
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noddy wrote:
NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:let's put it this way, even if you don't like Zack Snyder, the Justice League movie they put out is in worst shape than it should've been because they clearly go out of their way to un-Snyder the whole movie without actually replacing Snyder.

There were maybe two or three complete scenes which were clearly directed by Snyder. Even then, there is a very noticeable overdubbing of dialogue which at parts pass the the comically amateurish "his lips are not in sync with his lines" and the color correction to de-Snyder it make scenes look a lot uglier than they should. There are lots of bits and pieces Snyder shot in the first two acts (the third is almost completely superhack Joss Whedon) which are frankenstein'd into Whedon's scenes to a jarring, confusing and overall unappealing mess.


Warner Brothers should've either taken the financial hit and delayed the movie/fired Snyder OR just rode Snyder's vision out-- both options would've been cheaper than the half a billion mess they ended up with.

finally saw this now that its on buccaneers - it was a shocker of disjointed scenes badly spliced together.

above and beyond all that - the CGI for the evil monster was like that famously awful scorpion king scene - I was gobsmacked how bad it was.
You are a brave man. Almost everything about this film was a disaster and I'm still stunned a major motion picture studio released this in theaters.

In their panic to rid themselves of Synder (after putting everything into his hands) halfway through, they managed to make something worse than any negative reaction imaginable to his film. And all these critics and reviewers who then proceeded to praise this monstrosity to save face after crapping all over the last two movies....unbelievable.

Additionally, not only are the persistent rumors that his cut is finished, much better (though nearly four hours long and definitely... indulgent) but they fired the man then used the suicide of his daughter as an excuse to temper the reaction from passionate fans and to make sure there was no slowdown for Joss Whedon to add whatever slop to the movie so they could get their bonuses.

This has to be high up on the list of all-time movie disasters--and unlike something like Popeye, it's not even that fascinating.

In 30 years they'll release Synder's cut like they did Richard Donner's Superman II and then roll around in their gold vaults and have a laugh about all of this. So I guess we got that to look forward to.
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In hindsight the best bit was how the movie was taglined "we need the whole team" or some such nonsense yet the ending was the team failing and superman coming in at the last moment and saving the day - the team being useless.

in a supermovie binge i also watched Thor : Ragnorak and it was probably the marvel formula perfected, lightweight action comedy but least this time the villain was actually fun.

Simple Minded wrote:As part of my never ending quest to become more worldly and sophisticated, I watched Goodbye Christopher Robin to learn about them British type people, and Red Dog, True Blue to learn about them exiled British type people in Straya.
I dont watch Strine animal movies no more - I got burnt as a child watching https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_Boy_(1976_film)

the *spoilers* synopsis of that was kid adopts pelican, raises pelican and bonds with it then a drunk hunter shoots pelican , the end.

obviously a good message to raise cynical misanthropes but not something id inflict again on myself deliberately :P
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Walkabout, Picnic at Hanging Rock, Mad Max, etc.

For a bunch of "No worries, mate" blokes you lot have made some depressing films.
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noddy wrote:In hindsight the best bit was how the movie was taglined "we need the whole team" or some such nonsense yet the ending was the team failing and superman coming in at the last moment and saving the day - the team being useless.

in a supermovie binge i also watched Thor : Ragnorak and it was probably the marvel formula perfected, lightweight action comedy but least this time the villain was actually fun.


What? It wasn't the schoolboy crush and rictus on the face of a fat, depressed Batman at the presence of the Man of Steel?
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noddy wrote:
Simple Minded wrote:As part of my never ending quest to become more worldly and sophisticated, I watched Goodbye Christopher Robin to learn about them British type people, and Red Dog, True Blue to learn about them exiled British type people in Straya.
I dont watch Strine animal movies no more - I got burnt as a child watching https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_Boy_(1976_film)

the *spoilers* synopsis of that was kid adopts pelican, raises pelican and bonds with it then a drunk hunter shoots pelican , the end.

obviously a good message to raise cynical misanthropes but not something id inflict again on myself deliberately :P
I feel your pain Bro. I can still remember my mother taking me to see Bambi when I was 4-7 years old. I really got upset when a hunter shot Bambi's mother.

That's probably when I started hating white people........ maybe not as much a Zack or HP, but still, quite a lot.....
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NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: What? It wasn't the schoolboy crush and rictus on the face of a fat, depressed Batman at the presence of the Man of Steel?
I think my mind was trying to block that imagery but now you have brought it all crushing back.

the fat depressed batman will never go away, he will forever more be an accountant with better toys and an object of pity.

Now im thinking the next batman movie needs to involve Harley Davidson and midlife crisis gold digger bimbos.
Typhoon wrote:Walkabout, Picnic at Hanging Rock, Mad Max, etc.

For a bunch of "No worries, mate" blokes you lot have made some depressing films.
As ive mentioned before - films in Australia are usually done by the well connected, government funded left who only experience self inflicted suffering and generally go through life with so many safety nets they cant really understand why other people are so stupid as to not find life a cakewalk like they do.

they find the traumas of the plebs lives fascinating - see also Muriels Wedding.

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I feel your pain Bro. I can still remember my mother taking me to see Bambi when I was 4-7 years old. I really got upset when a hunter shot Bambi's mother.

That's probably when I started hating white people........ maybe not as much a Zack or HP, but still, quite a lot.....
It didnt take long to work out it wasnt just white people and that all humans a barely above dog levels of awareness as a general rule.

the ones that havent realised that are the worst :P
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noddy wrote:Now im thinking the next batman movie needs to involve Harley Davidson and midlife crisis gold digger bimbos.
Over time, it becomes abundantly clear that every Batman movie is just the same midlife crisis fantasy over and over again.
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Simple Minded wrote:
noddy wrote:
Simple Minded wrote:As part of my never ending quest to become more worldly and sophisticated, I watched Goodbye Christopher Robin to learn about them British type people, and Red Dog, True Blue to learn about them exiled British type people in Straya.
I dont watch Strine animal movies no more - I got burnt as a child watching https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_Boy_(1976_film)

the *spoilers* synopsis of that was kid adopts pelican, raises pelican and bonds with it then a drunk hunter shoots pelican , the end.

obviously a good message to raise cynical misanthropes but not something id inflict again on myself deliberately :P
I feel your pain Bro. I can still remember my mother taking me to see Bambi when I was 4-7 years old. I really got upset when a hunter shot Bambi's mother.

That's probably when I started hating white people........ maybe not as much a Zack or HP, but still, quite a lot.....
What about Japanese people?

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Typhoon wrote:
What about Japanese people?

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Some of the really big tall ones seem rather ill-mannered....

Since all Asians look the same, the problem with hating Japanese people is you might end up hating some other Asian tribe by mistake.... :P
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If you want to see kaiju mixed in with good ol' Midwestern schmaltz, here's where ya go.......'>......

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Watched the movie Gifted this weekend. Spent a lot of time thinking about typhoon while I was watching it.

cute movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqTSKqBCdf0
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No fans of the Americans?

From Wikipedia
The Americans is an American period drama television series created by Joe Weisberg for the FX television network. Set in the early 1980s during the Cold War, it is the story of Elizabeth (Keri Russell) and Philip Jennings (Matthew Rhys), two Soviet KGB officers posing as an American married couple living in the Northern Virginia suburbs of Washington, D.C., with their children Paige (Holly Taylor) and Henry (Keidrich Sellati). Their neighbor Stan Beeman (Noah Emmerich) is an FBI agent working in counterintelligence.
If you can look past the softcore porn of the first two seasons, it's a good series which recently premiered its 10 episode final season.

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I recently saw Serpico

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Al Pacino gives a wonderful performance but I found the movie lackluster and some of the other actors rather wooden. I don't really like Sidney Lumet as a director- all his movies are impersonal, like they have this tv quality to them, which lessens their impact. They aren't as gritty or compelling or realistic as often praised. Pacino does well as the loner at wits end here, and that makes him compelling. Otherwise, Serpico is almost as unlikable as the crooked cops and city government. And the subtext of the film: Serpico, the counter-culture hippie cop is more moral and in turn with the streets than the old guard is silly 40+ years on.

I can't help but compare it to another Pacino film I saw a few months back, Panic In Needle Park

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which is one of the most affectingly, harrowing movies I've ever seen. I was so disturbed and ill for days after watching these unlikable characters wreck themselves....
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I think ive seen it but i must say that their is a plethora of gangster/crooked cop flicks with Pacino/Keitel/De Niro/Blah that all blur into each other and I couldnt for the life of me remember which bits are from what.
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I saw Avengers: Infinity Wars Sunday night. I liked the previous Avenger movies, this is the worst of the bunch.

Too many re-introduction scenes. Humor is campy. Very predictable. Typical Hollywood moralizing. They just can't get away from worshipping Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot, etc.

The evil dude Thano's goal is a Paul Ehrlichian ideal of wiping out half of the dominant population on each planet in the universe to conserve resources for "the common good" and "sustainability." No mentions if that includes dogs, cats, whales, gorillas, etc.

One of the previews was for the new Star Wars movie. I have not seen the last two Star Wars movies, and probably will never see another. too formulaic.
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Simple Minded wrote:I saw Avengers: Infinity Wars Sunday night. I liked the previous Avenger movies, this is the worst of the bunch.

Too many re-introduction scenes. Humor is campy. Very predictable. Typical Hollywood moralizing. They just can't get away from worshipping Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot, etc.

The evil dude Thano's goal is a Paul Ehrlichian ideal of wiping out half of the dominant population on each planet in the universe to conserve resources for "the common good" and "sustainability." No mentions if that includes dogs, cats, whales, gorillas, etc.

One of the previews was for the new Star Wars movie. I have not seen the last two Star Wars movies, and probably will never see another. too formulaic.
I havent seeen it - Im in the old boring camp that waits for tv and video releases now but I will say I think its clever they made the villain that way, because that is the lurking political elephant of our time.

When i watched the last Thor movie (the kiwi comedy one) I figured they had peaked and it would only go downhill from that, it was big dump action comedy with eye candy and getting that right is quite difficult.

star wars is increasingly difficult to watch even in the background, for free, with low carefactor.. im not sure ill even bother using it for background noise in future.
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Marvel has boiled it down to a science, jokey jokes, big bangs and computer splashes, with occasional dead bodies. Content free.
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noddy wrote:
Simple Minded wrote:I saw Avengers: Infinity Wars Sunday night. I liked the previous Avenger movies, this is the worst of the bunch.

Too many re-introduction scenes. Humor is campy. Very predictable. Typical Hollywood moralizing. They just can't get away from worshipping Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot, etc.

The evil dude Thano's goal is a Paul Ehrlichian ideal of wiping out half of the dominant population on each planet in the universe to conserve resources for "the common good" and "sustainability." No mentions if that includes dogs, cats, whales, gorillas, etc.

One of the previews was for the new Star Wars movie. I have not seen the last two Star Wars movies, and probably will never see another. too formulaic.
I havent seeen it - Im in the old boring camp that waits for tv and video releases now but I will say I think its clever they made the villain that way, because that is the lurking political elephant of our time.

When i watched the last Thor movie (the kiwi comedy one) I figured they had peaked and it would only go downhill from that, it was big dump action comedy with eye candy and getting that right is quite difficult.

star wars is increasingly difficult to watch even in the background, for free, with low carefactor.. im not sure ill even bother using it for background noise in future.
the missus and me saw Black Panther this weekend. One of the better Avengers movies. Way better than Infinity Wars.

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I thought the Infinity War was on the better side of these Marvel movies- a bit long but fast paced, a thousand tv b-stories strung together, inoffensive enough w/some corny jokes and action and an "event" to see. Didn't see Black Panther after being told to skip it for being overhyped.
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Big, big props to Kevin Feige though. That man has created a trillion dollar machine. Forget about the movies (he'd probably prefer that)- no one has ever done what he's done...no one seems to be able to replicate it either.

The rise of the one exec. producer with one and only one property is a big deal. The closet right now is the Star Wars lady; but she's not doing as well overall. Crazy.

Someone put it this way: "It's like he's invented oreo cookies. Sure it's not as good as homebaked cookies but it's chemically balanced to hit all the pleasure centers of the brain. I like my chemicals!"

Not sure if I'm quite on board but it's a good way of describing it.
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yah its like the good catchy pop music - easy and obvious to deconstruct but then seemingly impossible to replicate in its perfect form.

just sprinkle a bit of charisma, light hearted moments and a few big hooks and your a millionaire.

..just...
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Black Panther was B grade marvel to me, It was too long, drifted aimlessly on many scenes, its big set pieces were weak - I get that the browner skinned folks enjoyed having a big budget movie aimed at them so thats about it, hopefully part 2 will be better.

I dont like these movies if they have a too much of a message or any social justice politics - I think Guardians of the Galaxy 1 or Thor 3 are the perfect recipe, I like my big dumb movies to be big and dumb.

this is the bit that marvel is getting right I think - some people say its a flaw that the movies are meaningless but in this current climate of politics its actually a rare art to get right wingers and left wingers into the same theatre and both walking out feeling somewhat entertained.
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Thor 3 definitely had a political message beneath all the popcorn and milk duds.

It was anti-imperialism/colonialism and all of the faddishness around that.

Thor starts out in chains in front of the fire demon, foreshadowing the events of the movie and symbolizing the chains of imperialism and the demon is the 3rd world people-of-color proletariat that will judge and destroy the privileged, white supremacist Thor, son of Odin.

Hella represents the real history of Odin's cosmic empire- built on slavery and exploitation of the other races- a history which is hidden and covered up to justify Odin's continued reign.

Think of the throne room scene where she literally breaks the ceiling fresco to reveal the "real" fresco underneath to the working-class white guy Skregg or Skurge or Surge (forget the name) who is a demoted warrior/pathetic janitor [downward mobility- stale, pale white man] when he meets Hella who seduces him into wanting to make Asgard Great Again.

Taika Waititi makes it really clear that Odin is really the bad guy and that Hella is his real nature, legacy and heir.

...and it's not until the noble white man...err, norse god is sold into slavery himself and loses everything that he is worthy of being a free man.

Even Hulk is politicized as a representation of the marginalized who sell out and become tokens.

What I'm surprised with is how Taika Waititi and Disney got away with the same blatant Jewish stereotyping that George Lucas got killed for in the Phantom Menace. edit: I didn't know Taika Waititi also sometimes goes by Taika Cohen.

Then after Thor submits to the African Valkyrie, they go and destroy Odin's Kingdom and legacy for their penance.

They even throw in that line at the end about Asgard not being a land but an inclusive peoples.

Then the angry alt-right character has an epiphany about multiculturalism after seeing all the former slave/immigrants that Thor brings out of captivity to Asgard. and how disgusted he is at his ancestors and goes out in a blaze of glory.

Or in other words, the now enlightened and inter-sectional aristocrat,Thor, Loki&co. are integrated into the new order and take their rightful place as kings, while the upstarts like Surge take the proper amount of punishment.

Sort of like Waititi is only okay with upper-middle class/rich white guys he socializes with or pays his salary and isn't alright with the guy at the box office buying the ticket to make his movie a hit.

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It's Marvel's most political movie.

Waititi may as well have entitled the movie: Thor: The White Working Class the World Over Should Die By Fire :)
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