Re: Conspiracy Theories and other Looney Tunes
Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 9:28 pm
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Retracted.Typhoon wrote:The reality is that life is too short to spend time debunking every conspiracy theory, so the rule of thumb isNonc Hilaire wrote:Again, ad hominem fallacy. You are not dealing with the data.Typhoon wrote:Peer reviewed does not in any way mean that the claims of the article are correct.Nonc Hilaire wrote:Ad hominem fallacy.
The actual journal the study was published in is a professional, peer reviewed journal.
Also, the journal publisher MDPI is considered what is called an open access "predatory publisher" in the academic world:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDPI
In other words, they will publish anything for a fee.
This issue has become a significant problem in academia.
"Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof."
However, some people have bothered to dissect the bogus paper in question:
https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-j-mar ... dia.t6456/
https://www.metabunk.org/claim-chemtrai ... ash.t5691/
There are several simple points with regards to so-called chemtrail geoengineering:
1/ It presumes an understanding of climate and weather far more advanced that what is currently known.
2/ To what end? What exactly is the purpose of undertaking such a massive and expensive project?
What's the point? Why bother?
3/ How can such a massive nefarious project be kept secret? Especially if the goal is to undermine the health of the US citizenry.
There are countless fascinating questions in physics and chemistry, including the highly dynamic non-linear climate, on which one can spend one's time.
Fixation on so-called chemtrails, which are nothing more than clouds and aircraft contrails, to me indicates a lack of knowledge and understanding of such questions and a real and depressing poverty of imagination by the proponents.
No chemfog. You can see it sprayed out of airplanes not on normal flightpaths a couple thosand feet up and it slowly dissipates into a gauzy haze. Fog is a function of dewpoint and temperature, and never comes out of an airplane. Sometimes you see the plane make a slow 180° turn and retrace its path. Not normal pilot behavior.Parodite wrote:But what about fog? It's pretty low altitude and persistent. Chemfog?
Usually conspiracies and secret messages come from the above or beyonder. Maybe some arise from the below wanting to remind us of something?
I was just kinda kidding. Haven't put my mind much on this issue yet.Nonc Hilaire wrote:No chemfog. You can see it sprayed out of airplanes not on normal flightpaths a couple thosand feet up and it slowly dissipates into a gauzy haze. Fog is a function of dewpoint and temperature, and never comes out of an airplane. Sometimes you see the plane make a slow 180° turn and retrace its path. Not normal pilot behavior.Parodite wrote:But what about fog? It's pretty low altitude and persistent. Chemfog?
Usually conspiracies and secret messages come from the above or beyonder. Maybe some arise from the below wanting to remind us of something?
Photoshoperous.Nonc Hilaire wrote:Contrails do not form at 4k ft. Per your source, 37k ft is about right. The air must be cold enough to freeze water vapor.
Contrails vanish rapidly and completely. 3x the length of the airplane is about average. They are not clouds. They do not persist longer than skywriting and spread to cover the sky.
Clouds do not come out of airplanes. They do not form geometrical crosshatching.
What kind of cloud is this, Captain Typhoon?
Chemtrails are less prevalent lately, but the next time I see them I'll post my own image.Typhoon wrote:Following up on my impression above, a bit of google research informs on how to promote photoshopped so-called chemtrails:
http://www.metabunk.org/photoshopped-ch ... org.t6658/
Agreed. I miss the good ole days when conspiracy theorists were rugged individualists.NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:I genuinely miss the ol'internet where you could just gambol and wend your way through all sorts of self constructed websites with the most bizarre and elaborate conspiracy theories unfiltered.
All the social networking of web 2.0 has really homogenized conspiracy thinkers/conspiracy thinking.
Agreed. Typhoon is just a shill for rationality. Sad.NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:Well you would think that, you're a representative of Big Physics!
Rationality? There's nothing rational about being brainwashed by physicists or physicians or phys. ed teachers. Everyone is suspect now.Simple Minded wrote:Agreed. Typhoon is just a shill for rationality. Sad.NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:Well you would think that, you're a representative of Big Physics!
Maybe if his brain was less massive.... he could escape the gravitational pull of rationality?
Luckily, for the rest of us, there is always our feelings and sympathy on the internet.....
You've been seeing rugged individuals anywhere and everywhere huh? Rugged individuals on the brain, eh?Simple Minded wrote:Agreed. I miss the good ole days when conspiracy theorists were raving geniuses.NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:I genuinely miss the ol'internet where you could just gambol and wend your way through all sorts of self constructed websites with the most bizarre and elaborate conspiracy theories unfiltered.
All the social networking of web 2.0 has really homogenized conspiracy thinkers/conspiracy thinking.
It is virtually (pun intended) impossible today to be so much of a singular talent that no one will agree with you.
Everybody is so nerdy in terms of confirmation bias nowadays, that in order to be a raving genius, it's almost like you need your own private internet...
Gotta go, before Big Rugged Individualist tracks this post.....
good point. how exactly does that make you feel.....?NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:Rationality? There's nothing rational about being brainwashed by physicists or physicians or phys. ed teachers. Everyone is suspect now.Simple Minded wrote:Agreed. Typhoon is just a shill for rationality. Sad.NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:Well you would think that, you're a representative of Big Physics!
Maybe if his brain was less massive.... he could escape the gravitational pull of rationality?
Luckily, for the rest of us, there is always our feelings and sympathy on the internet.....
Like there is a good book/money-making opportunity, the "....that THEY don't want you to know about" series:Simple Minded wrote:good point. how exactly does that make you feel.....?NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:Rationality? There's nothing rational about being brainwashed by physicists or physicians or phys. ed teachers. Everyone is suspect now.Simple Minded wrote:Agreed. Typhoon is just a shill for rationality. Sad.NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:Well you would think that, you're a representative of Big Physics!
Maybe if his brain was less massive.... he could escape the gravitational pull of rationality?
Luckily, for the rest of us, there is always our feelings and sympathy on the internet.....
it's good to know that while all Big Brothers are control freaks, they're not all mean and nasty.NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:Rationality? There's nothing rational about being brainwashed by physicists or physicians or phys. ed teachers. Everyone is suspect now.Simple Minded wrote:Agreed. Typhoon is just a shill for rationality. Sad.NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:Well you would think that, you're a representative of Big Physics!
Maybe if his brain was less massive.... he could escape the gravitational pull of rationality?
Luckily, for the rest of us, there is always our feelings and sympathy on the internet.....
You've been seeing rugged individuals anywhere and everywhere huh? Rugged individuals on the brain, eh?Simple Minded wrote:Agreed. I miss the good ole days when conspiracy theorists were raving geniuses.NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:I genuinely miss the ol'internet where you could just gambol and wend your way through all sorts of self constructed websites with the most bizarre and elaborate conspiracy theories unfiltered.
All the social networking of web 2.0 has really homogenized conspiracy thinkers/conspiracy thinking.
It is virtually (pun intended) impossible today to be so much of a singular talent that no one will agree with you.
Everybody is so nerdy in terms of confirmation bias nowadays, that in order to be a raving genius, it's almost like you need your own private internet...
Gotta go, before Big Rugged Individualist tracks this post.....
Don't worry about it- I fixed your above post.
Brilliant. It would dwarf the "_____ for idiots" book series in terms of cash flow.NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:
Like there is a good book/money-making opportunity, the "....that THEY don't want you to know about" series:
"The Physics that THEY don't want you to know about."
"The Algebra that THEY don't want you to know about."
"The Business Management THEY don't want you to know about."
This series would write itself.
yer confusing cause and effect. more empty calories, people get fatter, and exhale more CO2, and flatulate more methane.noddy wrote:its those damn global warming types, reducing the precious air and replacing it with empty calories.