Does Iran have a prayer?

Is there going to be a strike on Iran before the US election?

Yes
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No
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MOLLAH NASSREDDIN'S BLANKET


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MOLLAH NASSREDDIN'S BLANKET

THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT!

March 12, 2012



There is an old Middle Eastern anecdote, one of the tales attributed to the fictitious character, known in Iran as Mollah Nassreddin, whose humor bears a lot of wisdom.

Mollah Nassreddin was resting in his loft when he heard a commotion down on the street below his window. He saw two people in what seemed to be a serious quarrel. He rushed down to mediate, and succeeded in separating the combatants. When he returned to his room he noticed that he was robbed of his blanket!

The next day a friend asked him what that street brawl was all about. "Oh, that was only a diversion; as it turned out, it was over my blanket."

The ongoing theatrical debate and confrontation between the American Chief Executive and the Israeli Prime Minister reminded me of that old anecdote.

Are the two combatants truly engaged in a serious argument, or is this a mock battle staged for public consumption to serve another purpose.

We are led to believe that the Israeli Prime Minister, Netanyahu, is so concerned about Iran's advancements toward the weaponization of its nuclear projects that delaying or foregoing an attack on its enrichment facilities would create an existential treat to the Jewish state.

President Obama, on the other hand, insists on waiting for the economic and diplomatic sanctions imposed on the Islamic Republic to do the job of discouraging Iran from making the bomb. He has restated his ironclad pledge to take military action, if necessary, to prevent Iran from making the dreaded nuclear bomb. His words were carefully measured: he did say he would even resort to military action if necessary to prevent Iran from making the bomb, but he didn't say he would approve of an attack to stop Iran from leaning how to make nuclear bombs.

While the American President appears to be begging Israel to stand down and not take any premature preemptive action against the Iranian targets, Netanyahu seems to be agonizing over accommodating his powerful ally's advice and has a difficult time with agreeing to put the destiny of his nation in the hands of its generous benefactor. Netanyahu might be softening up a bit, even as Israel's staunch supporters, from the Republican presidential candidates looking for more Jewish campaign money and support, to the infotainment media pundits and the always loyal Zionist Congressional moles, continue to beat the war drums nonstop. Some anti-war pundits are already lamenting that the President has been forced to capitulate to Netanyahu's bullying tactics.

So, what's really going on? What is this charade all about?

The public sentiment is thus being energized in a prescribed fashion: Israel, our friend and ally, our brave sentinel in that horrible part of world, is being asked to risk its own safety, against its better judgment, and to put its trust in us to hold the arch enemy, Iran, at bay. Israel is, therefore, owed big time, and I mean BIG TIME!

How fair would it be under these crucial circumstances to pressure such a loyal friend and ally to yield to additional demands, such as sitting at peace talks with the troublesome Palestinians, an "invented" people, as Mr. Gingrich calls them, and stopping the construction of new Jewish settlements just because they are illegal, or refraining from international terrorism and opening their nuclear weapons facilities to the IAEA inspectors and joining the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT)? No; that'll be too unfair!

Netanyahu expects, and will no doubt get, commitments for additional military equipment, the very latest, and more financial aid, regardless of the cost to the American taxpayers, as well as a continuation of blanket US diplomatic support at the United Nations in spite of international condemnations, just in case those "irresponsible" mollahs in Iran decide to commit mass suicide by launching an attack on Israel.

In the real world the picture is very different.

We could say a lot of things about Mr. Netanyahu, but he is neither dumb nor suicidal. We could also say a lot of things about the leadership of the Islamic Republic of Iran. but again, they are neither mentally retarded nor are they suicidal maniacs.

Practically all political analysts and commentators on the ongoing and escalating threats of war with Iran seem to be honestly concerned and warning us against such an eventuality. Do they know something that they believe the policy makers at the highest levels in Washington, Tel Aviv and Tehran do not know and need to be taught? Get serious, please!

Imagine some accidental spark igniting the powder keg of war in the Gulf. The most likely culprit would be a "false-flag" operation by a rogue Israeli element targeting an American aircraft carrier. All hell suddenly breaks loose in response. Joint American and Israeli (and Saudi) assault on Iranian targets would ensue. Simple logic would dictate that, in such an event, direct negotiations between the Iranian and American heads of state and the military top brass would immediately begin to try to defuse and contain the situation.

If the Iranian leaders were to succeed in controlling and limiting Iran's retaliatory response, they would be in a highly advantageous bargaining position for reparations, and would gain immensely in their international sanding and prestige. However, that would be too much to expect.

The most likely scenario would be a hasty military response that would target Israeli, Saudi and American targets by literally tens of thousands of rocket and missiles, and the closing of the Strait of Hormuz. Israel does have an anti missile system, but no anti missile battery could possibly stop a shower of thousands of warheads coming its way, not just from Iran, but from southern Lebanon, as well. The devastation in Israel would be far greater per capita than in Iran.

Saudi oil production and shipping would be severely interrupted, and the closure of the Strait of Hormuz would send the oil prices upwards of $300, even $400 a barrel, paralyzing the ailing European economies overnight.

Nobody wants any of that; not the United States, not Iran, and not Israel. So, why all the media hype about an impending Israeli attack on Iranian targets, with or without the United States? My position has always been: Why engage in an expensive and disastrous war when mere threats of war accomplish the desired task?

To quote from one of my previous articles:

The most convincing argument against an Israeli plan to attack Iran is, as I have said often before, Why engage in an unpredictable, costly and potentially disastrous war when the mere threats of war could accomplish the desired objectives? Both the US Administration and the Israeli leadership know that fact. Threatening to attack Iran is accompanied by a long laundry list of demands from the American Administration. As long as the American public believes the Israelis, that they are rightfully struggling for their very existence, that Iran is aiming to wipe them off the face of the earth, that they need and deserve all the support America could provide, how could the White House or the Congress deny them of all that? How could the United States refuse to shelter them against the global demands for, say, Palestinian statehood, returning the occupied territories and dismantling illegal new settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, or disengaging from state sponsored terrorism, etc?

They want more money, more sophisticated military aid, stronger diplomatic support, and less pressure to engage the Palestinians in any peace negotiations. And, they are going to get all that, or else!

Or else what? Or else, no second term for Mr. Obama, increased military spending at the expense of higher national priorities, creation of more excuses to maintain American military forces and bases in and around the Middle East at a great cost to the American people in lives, money and global prestige, and on and on.

I have been correctly predicting this before, and I am predicting it again; there will be no attack on Iranian targets this time, either. The target dates will be pushed back as the great game continues.

Meanwhile, the Iranian people suffer under socioeconomic pressures, and the prospects of a long overdue systemic reform remains a glistening mirage so near, yet so out of reach. Ultimately, it will be sane, mature and evenhanded diplomacy that shall turn the tide.

I am not a Nostradamus, but I do predict that we will witness positive developments beginning to change the regional picture and the US/Iran relations before the end of 2013.

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Agree ..

Natanyahoo will be gone soon .. he lost

Things will be different pretty soon


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AzariLoveIran

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Jumping from link to link, came to this site, Poll

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Gauging Arab public opinion

A new, comprehensive poll illuminates Arabs' opinions on democracy, corruption, Palestine/Israel, and the US.
Last Modified: 08 Mar 2012 14:00

A poll of Arabs in 12 countries found that by a 15-1 ratio, Israel and the US are seen as more threatening than Iran [EPA]

The first of its kind - a poll conducted in 12 Arab countries, representing 84 per cent of the population of the Arab world, in an attempt to gauge the region's political mood - has arrived at some interesting results.

Organised by the Arab Centre for Research and Policy Studies (ACRPS), face-to-face interviews by Arab surveyors with 16,731 individuals in the first half of 2011
The countries surveyed included Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Jordan, Palestine, Lebanon, Sudan, Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco and Mauritania, with the help of local institutions and research centres.

Revolution through Arab Eyes - Images of Revolution

While people seem generally split on the question of separation of state and religion, a majority supports the non-interference of religious authorities in politics.
And by a 15-1 ratio, Israel and the US are seen as more threatening than Iran.

Opinions differ on certain issues from country to country and region to region, but there's clearly a trans-national, trans-border public consensus when it comes to questions of identity and national priorities.

The data generated by the poll, the largest conducted so far in the region, is a treasure trove for those looking to better understand the political environment in the Arab world.

Main conclusions

Awaiting the publication of the report in English, here are the poll's main conclusions:

•A majority describe themselves as religious, but they mostly don't support the interference of religious authorities in citizens' political choices.
•71 per cent say they don't distinguish between religious and non-religious people in their economic and social relations.
•77 per cent trust their military, half trust their police, 47 per cent trust their governments and 36 per cent trust their local councils before the revolutions.
•A high 83 per cent believe corruption is widespread in their countries.
•Only 19 per cent see their states implement the law equally among its citizens.
•Three quarters of those polled believe that Arab states should take measures to bring their nations closer. An equal percentage believes that states should lift restrictions on free travel and 67 per cent are not satisfied with Arab-Arab co-operation.
•Contrary to mainstream global media coverage, 73 per cent of those polled see Israel and the US as the two most threatening countries. Five per cent see Iran as the most threatening, a percentage that varies between countries and regions.
•A high 84 per cent believe the Palestinian question is the cause of all Arabs and not the Palestinians only.
•A high 84 per cent reject the notion of their state's recognition of Israel and only 21 per cent support, to a certain degree, the peace agreement signed between Egypt, Jordan and the PLO with Israel. Less than a third agree with their government's foreign policy.
•When it comes to WMD, 55 per cent support a region free of nuclear weapons and 55 per cent see Israel's possession of nuclear weapons as justifying there possession by other countries in the region.
Moreover, a majority of Arabs support the Tunisian and Egyptian revolutions, and believe revolution came about because of corruption, dictatorship and lack of justice and equality. A majority also believe they belong to one Arab nation.

Nuances and caveats

The majority doesn't approach democracy as merely a Western notion. Rather, it provides a clear definition of a democratic system that includes political plurality, freedom of expression, rule of law, et cetera.

When it comes to specifics, a rather slim majority of 57 per cent supports the rule of a political party they disagree with.

While people are generally supportive of democracy, a minority doesn't truly understand or accept its main tenets.

A relatively high 36 per cent wouldn't support those they disagree with in their political platform to take power, a percentage that doesn't bode well for democracy.

This shows that while there is an intention to move towards pluralism among most people, there is resistance to pluralism and diversity among a certain minority.

A high majority in Egypt and Tunisia are optimistic that their countries will fare better in three years than during the rule of Mubarak and Ben Ali.

It remains to be seen to what degree the opinions expressed in the poll are a reflection of excitement about the revolutions, and how far people are ready to go to establish democratic systems.

But that's precisely why an annual sequel to this poll, as promised by ACRPS, is indispensable for better understanding of Arab thinking beyond mood swings and abrupt changes.

Polls have originally been the tools used to gauge consumerist tendencies, priorities in Western societies and business. They were developed into advanced tools to monitor the public's political mood, required for certain political confidence, societal openness and stability.

To what degree Arab respondents express their minds freely and without any fear remains to be seen. However, for the first time in decades, people seem more willing and able to share their political sentiments, thanks to the revolutions.

The substantial size of the poll certainly helps obtain better results. But it's not only quantitative.

The methodology used by ACPRS pollsters - a 40-minute face-to-face interview with each respondent - allows for more accurate results than the usual quick phone interviews.

The approach here contrasts sharply with Western-type polls in the Arab world that project Western, not Arab, priorities, and/or are centered around slogans and clichés.

This is not a poll that asks people whether they feel Muslim or Arab, or whether they support the women's veil or democracy.

The poll, the first to be conducted after the Arab upheavals, shows a people in tune with the change that swept the Arab region.

But how does the poll square with the election results in various Arab nations where Islamists have made serious advances - such as Egypt, where conservative and ultra-conservative Islamist parties won 70 per cent of the vote?

The two are not mutually exclusive. Indeed, the polls discussed give a better and deeper explanation of the vote patterns and of the opinions of those who thus far have remained silent.

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Seems, the poll was in Arabic

Lots said that Arab mass now pissed off Iran defending Assad

Seems, not the case


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re op question : yes, now that GPS has been compromised as proven by the controlled landing of the UZ stealth drone.
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Carbizene wrote:re op question : yes, now that GPS has been compromised as proven by the controlled landing of the UZ stealth drone.

That won't be replicated on a wide scale or if the OpFor knows it is possible. Counting on this would be foolish, and I'm sure the Iranians are not. More realistically they are moving sensitive equipment to hardened facilities (if they haven't already) and preparing to wait out the Israeli air-vandalism campaign.
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How do you know it can't repeated a multitude of times? the capability has been proven, just depends if the UZ has resolved the weakness, history would suggest not, as in Japan was not seen as a threat to Singapore due to slanty eyes even though military ability was well proven. As the drone was taken down a short time ago I'm guessing there has not been time to resolve weakness.

chances are pretty much it will escalate beyond Israeli scratch and dent operation:

The two-week war game, called Internal Look, played out a narrative in which the United States found it was pulled into the conflict after Iranian missiles struck a Navy warship in the Persian Gulf, killing about 200 Americans, according to officials with knowledge of the exercise. The United States then retaliated by carrying out its own strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities.

The initial Israeli attack was assessed to have set back the Iranian nuclear program by roughly a year, and the subsequent American strikes did not slow the Iranian nuclear program by more than an additional two years.

…Officials said that, under the chain of events in the war game, Iran believed that Israel and the United States were partners in any strike against Iranian nuclear sites and therefore considered American military forces in the Persian Gulf as complicit in the attack. Iranian jets chased Israeli warplanes after the attack, and Iranians launched missiles at an American warship in the Persian Gulf, viewed as an act of war that allowed an American retaliation.
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Carbizene wrote:How do you know it can't repeated a multitude of times? the capability has been proven,
They surprised with it once with one drone. If you think it can be widely replicated to the extent that it would defeat and American air campaign then you simply do not know what you are talking about.





The two-week war game, called Internal Look, played out a narrative in which the United States found it was pulled into the conflict after Iranian missiles struck a Navy warship in the Persian Gulf, killing about 200 Americans, according to officials with knowledge of the exercise. The United States then retaliated by carrying out its own strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities.
Iran could plausibly score an isolated hit on a US vessel, resulting in limited casualties, which is a far cry from defeating an Israeli or US air campaign.

The initial Israeli attack was assessed to have set back the Iranian nuclear program by roughly a year, and the subsequent American strikes did not slow the Iranian nuclear program by more than an additional two years.
I've said previously that the Iranians have probably already moved most of their nuclear operations to hardened facilities or caves, and that the attack would marginally disrupt Iranian nuclear programs or other regime weapons programs at best. These are two entirely different questions.
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Ibrahim wrote: They surprised with it once with one drone. If you think it can be widely replicated to the extent that it would defeat and American air campaign then you simply do not know what you are talking about.
You have no grounds for the certainty in this statement, you don't know how the drone was co-opted, you have no idea if it can be repeated, you have no idea if the flaw that allowed its co-option has been fixed. If it can be repeated, then it is the height of stupidity to think it won't be and it is the height of stupidity to not see the cataclysmic possibilities. Imagine this : every Cruise missile launched to take out Iranian facilities is redirected to the closest Carrier attack group.
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Carbizene wrote:.
Ibrahim wrote:.

They surprised with it once with one drone. If you think it can be widely replicated to the extent that it would defeat and American air campaign then you simply do not know what you are talking about.

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You have no grounds for the certainty in this statement, you don't know how the drone was co-opted, you have no idea if it can be repeated, you have no idea if the flaw that allowed its co-option has been fixed. If it can be repeated, then it is the height of stupidity to think it won't be and it is the height of stupidity to not see the cataclysmic possibilities. Imagine this : every Cruise missile launched to take out Iranian facilities is redirected to the closest Carrier attack group.

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Look guys

Americans, west, NATO .. did to Saddam and Qaddafi, bombing and and and , ONLY , because Russians (and Chinese) were on the same train

Meaning Russians and Chinese did not interfere

Russia has, repeatedly, clearly, said , an attack on Iran is same as an attack on Russia

Same, as, an attack at Turkey (according to NATO) is same as an attack on Germany or France or England

meaning

Russians will interfere if West attacks Iran

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any use of GPS for guidance of anything, missiles, cruise missiles, planes, vehicles .. etc etc .. is pure stupidity .. because not only Iran but Russia too would distort American (and European) GPS signals

West must rely on INS (Inertia Navigation system)

Do not underestimate Iranian capabilities .. Iran has top top engineers and the 2nd biggest military industry (second to Israel) .. and Iranian engineers one of the best in the world, all, thankfully :D , trained in our beloved US of A


As said, western attack on Iran will lead to something much bigger and will end up changing ME map and to a new World Order, same as WW 2 did

West has been running "world affairs" last 300 yrs .. result was more than 200 million directly killed (100 million killed in WW 1 & 2) and billions of people enslaved for generations

meaning

west failed the humanity

new leaders must lead the world now

time for a change


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Carbizene wrote:
Ibrahim wrote: They surprised with it once with one drone. If you think it can be widely replicated to the extent that it would defeat and American air campaign then you simply do not know what you are talking about.
You have no grounds for the certainty in this statement, you don't know how the drone was co-opted, you have no idea if it can be repeated, you have no idea if the flaw that allowed its co-option has been fixed. If it can be repeated, then it is the height of stupidity to think it won't be and it is the height of stupidity to not see the cataclysmic possibilities. Imagine this : every Cruise missile launched to take out Iranian facilities is redirected to the closest Carrier attack group.
Yes, that scenario will remain imaginary.
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