Simple Minded wrote:Heracleum Persicum wrote:Simple Minded wrote:.
HP,
Remember our discussion about using fear to steer the herd, I think you and Mr. Mamadou are being steered.
But who is doing the steering? Back when the ignorant masses were afraid of Obama, it was not Obama's fault, it was the fault of the right wing racist extremists. No rational person would fear POTUS, he's been vetted!
So now, is Hilary, Rachael Maddow, Chris Matthews, Keith Olberman, Chuck Shumer, Nancy Pelosi, Fox News, MSNBC, the NYT, or Trump himself to blame for the fear? Lots of choices available to define reality.
I recall Endovelico would not set foot in America due to gun violence, but Typhoon periodically visits the killing fields of Chicago. Which one of those two are nuts and which is rational? I recall a talking head saying the George Stephanopoulos's 8-12 year old child was so sacred a week or two after the election that she was sleeping in her parents bed at night. Is this fault of the parents, or the predictable result of the MSM using fear to steer the herd?
Now for the big question, what is your level of culpability for the fear of Mr. Mamadou and others fleeing the US ? Maybe he and others read several of your "what a disaster!" or "what is happening to our beloved America?" posts at OTNOT!
You might have more influence than Rachael Maddow! Remember, with great power, comes great responsibility.
Besides, the Bronx is pretty close to the Ocean, Mr. Mamadou might fear rising sea levels due to AGW. Guess we might have to add Zack's name to the above list also....
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The culprits are not Syrians running away from war, not Mexican strawberry pickers
The crooks ruined America
Crooks bought the election in Congress and Senate, passed laws benefitting them, lowered their own taxes, throw the white middle class under the bus .. closed down production, R&D , made money by FED , money shuffling, hot air empty businesses like FaceBook, Twitter etc etc when at the same time Koreans and Chinese and Taiwanese were taking over production.
And now you guys blame Mr. Mr. Mamadou
Yes, Mr. Mamadou scared .. chance of being killed by terrorist in US (terrorist defined any criminal with Muslim background) is less than winning the "Powerball lottery" when at the same time every 15 minutes an American killed by gun (odd 1:10,000)
Our beloved America fooled again into another rubbish, "Steve Bannon" rubbish
America has so many great people, wise, big heart .. where are those politicians to steer America ship in these destiny making times ? Is Trump best America can offer ? or America not yet aware of situation in .. economy on the brink of tipping
Is doubling down on Pentagon and cutting everything else way to go ?
‘ Deaths of despair ’ surge in US white working class
Legacy of drugs, alcohol and suicide will weigh on economy for years
An epidemic of overdoses, suicides and alcohol-related illness is causing a surge in deaths among white Americans with a high-school education or less that now makes them more likely to die early than those who are black or Hispanic, according to research that illustrates the country’s stark social divide.
The acceleration in what economists Anne Case and Sir Angus Deaton call “deaths of despair” among middle-aged white Americans was first documented in their 2015 paper that was held up as one explanation for the popularity with white working-class voters of the then-candidate Donald Trump.
In a paper being presented to a Brookings conference on Friday, Ms Case and Sir Angus, 2015 winner of the Nobel Prize in economics, detail a widening educational divide that is expected to cast a shadow over the US economy for years to come.
The “deep causes” of the increase in white deaths, the economists argue in their paper, are the globalisation and automation that since the 1970s have hit working-class white Americans particularly hard. The result of that economic dislocation, they say, has been a “cumulative disadvantage” that has affected everything from marriage prospects to drug use, and the physical pain they report suffering.
“This doesn’t seem to be just about income. This is about accumulating despair for these people,” Ms Case said. “The white working class may see itself now as the bottom rung of the ladder [in America].”
much more @ link
Very interesting FT article .. must read
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HP, you missed the whole point. Please go back and re-read the last few posts. I did not blame Mr. Mamadou for his fear, but....... I am assuming from this reply that you feel you have no culpability for propagating the fear Mr. Mamadou felt. Recall our conversation about using fear to steer the herd. HP, you are one of the ones doing the steering! Think about it.
It would have been interesting to talk to Mr. Mamadou peers. What did they believe? What were their sources of information? Did he not trust DeBlaisio to keep him safe?
Since I have been to both places, I can sympathize with anyone who wants to leave NYC for Canada. Immigration shows up at his house three times? Why did he not contact them rather than flee the country? Because someone convinced him that US Immigration were the Stasi? Did he read your posts? Could the person who convinced him that US immigration are the Stasi have been you?
I left NY 30 years ago and moved to VA. Never regretted it for a single minute. Voting with your feet is always more effective and efficient than hoping the ballot box will somehow magically change human nature and "fix" "society." This is America, people flee "red states" for "blue states" and vice versa all the time. Mr Mamadou left a blue city in a blue state in a semi-blue country for a even bluer country...., at least in his perception.
In any event, Mr. Mamadou is now home free. Good for him. He showed ambition and incentive, and he should be applauded for his efforts. Since Trudeau is not Trump, and Canadians are not as hateful as Americans..... he is now in a safe place that will not send him back to the US, nor treat him as poorly as "America" treated him. He won! I wish him the best.
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"Simple Minded" .. "acid test" for a "high civilization" is, a Nation should stay "steady" whether in Highs or Lows of day's a Nation is going throw .. that characteristic, to sink into bone and flesh of a Nation needs many centuries and many many great leaders and many trial and error.
You (America, Europe) guys, have a bad track record .. Mr Mamadou thinkin, better safe than sorry.
Look at Iranian community in US .. those Iranian community, thought, they as you .. they now know they not you .. and .. the smart ones will vote with their feet.
I steering nothing .. just a friendly reminder that things have consequences .. reputation take generation, centuries to built, can be destroyed in days.
Yes, our beloved America going through rough times now, but that is when the acid test comet to mind .. key here is Joe, the mass, the common people, they must be careful the smarties don't play them .. and key for that is education.
You go to most remote mountain village in Iran, illiterate old farmer, will recite to you the key poetry fro Rumi and Saadi and Khayam, those poetry teach Humanität .. that is why no synagogue is protected and no cemetery is vandalized in Iran, that is why no genocide in Iranian people's history (all killing were done by Monguls, Arabs, Turks).
Joe must educate itself about facts and reality and and, to protect crooks like James Baker, when asked what is the reason for Iraq war, answering Iraq war is for protecting Joe's jobs .. or the other crook saying they don't like our freedom and way of life.
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