Ukraine

[Parodite]

Soon Putin et-al dead; Russia big winner. Chance to become normal. Finally end of Mafiosi rule. Russian soul and culture shines. Oligarchs Hall of Shame. Oil and gas will flow from Russia to Western Europe again, no big deal. CCP scared of own people for good reason! Iran as usual full of freaky dreams, no muscle. New pandemic comes do big reset. Nature not care, shrugs shoulders. Trump 2024 killed. Mass psychosis. Fiction rules. Synchronized madness. Nothing on Internet taken seriously anymore. Experience all deep fake. Smartphone most hated object. Finally.

[noddy]

Soon Putin et-al dead; Russia big winner. Chance to become normal. Finally end of Mafiosi rule. Russian soul and culture shines. Oligarchs Hall of Shame. Oil and gas will flow from Russia to Western Europe again, no big deal. CCP scared of own people for good reason! Iran as usual full of freaky dreams, no muscle. New pandemic comes do big reset. Nature not care, shrugs shoulders. Trump 2024 killed. Mass psychosis. Fiction rules. Synchronized madness. Nothing on Internet taken seriously anymore. Experience all deep fake. Smartphone most hated object. Finally.

you forgot food and energy prices going through the roof and billions of people rioting, global chaos and DOOOOOOOOM for everyone.

wont care if you are western, eastern, or in the middle somewhere.

[Heracleum Persicum]

I never said that, Imran Khan does have alot of like mindeds and support.

Pakistan exists in a space of getting support from the US and China, playing both sides - by choosing one side hard he is annoying the other factions who dont want to go all in with China, he is losing magority support.

If Paklstan goes all in with China, the Indian side will be forced to go furthur to the west , unless you believe in mermaids.

US needed pakistan for access to Afghanistan and training the islamist etc etc .. US needed Afghanistan as a jumping board to "central Asia , for Oil and Gas of central Asia, but also to cut the "Silk road" of China.

This failed

Now, US does not need Pakistan anymore .. rather .. US now massaging Modi, India , idea being Modi will confront China .. .. Modi will milk US but not confront China, Indians no dummy , they know China next door and neighbour.

Means , now Pakistan and India aly , friends.

When push came to shove, West saw the reality .. Pakistan and India said NYET

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What is happening now is , that Russia officially said today that no Western country will take part in Ukraine negotiation, only regional countries will take part .. meeting is in Istanbul

As said, emperor is naked .. Biden played his hand badly

Zelenskyy knows now that he on his own and will pay the price and settle with Russia .. once this done and sealed, Russia will help in rebuilding Ukraine and again it will be LoviDovi .. Zelenskyy learned his lesson and Ukraine paid the price.




In the meantime , Yemeni taking out Saudi Oil installations , one at a time .. things seems escalated dramatically since this :

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Dont be mistaken, this a scheme to separate Arabs from their money .. nothing to do with confronting Iran .. US said no fight with mad mullahs, Israel cant, and Arabs even more cant.

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[Doc]

Ukrainian Women Seeking Russian Soldiers. Ultimate Goal: Amor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef6aXrxUsd8

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[Typhoon]

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[Nonc Hilaire]

A chronology of the Ukraine situation with intelligent commentary.

https://www.voltairenet.org/article216293.html

[Heracleum Persicum]

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Why Do So Many Russians Say They Support the War in Ukraine ?

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-des ... MNYR012019

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-war-supp ... 49491.html


https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/u ... n-ukraine/


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[Doc]

Why the Russians are getting their butts kicked in the Ukraine. It seems the Marine's strange decision to get rid of it tanks a couple of years ago was the smart thing to do


https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/flashp ... heres-why/

The Marines want to get rid of their tanks. Here’s why.
By Shawn Snow
Mar 26, 2020
Marine Corps M1A1 Abrams tank gunners will be able to program when main gun rounds explode. ( Lance Cpl. Holly Pernell)

A series of wargames conducted between 2018 and 2019 helped inform the Corps’ decision to divest of tanks and outmoded units and equipment that will have trouble surviving in fight with peer adversaries like China, according to a Marine Corps force redesign report.

From those wargames the Corps learned that the unit that shoots first has a “decisive advantage” on the battlefield and forces that can operate inside the range of enemy long-range precision fires “are more operationally relevant than forces which must rapidly maneuver to positions outside the ”weapons engagement zone, the report reads.

The Corps’ decision to divest of tanks, cut ground cannon artillery and light attack air platforms has stoked some criticism. Tanks historically have had success in high-end and urban warfare for decades boasting devastating firepower highly lethal to ground forces.
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The Corps is axing all of its tank battalions and cutting grunt units
As part of Commandant of the Marine Corps Gen. David Berger’s plan to redesign the force to confront China and other peer adversaries by 2030, the Marines are axing all three of its tank battalions, and chucking out all law enforcement battalions and bridging companies, according to a news release from Marine Corps Combat Development Command.
By Shawn Snow

But tanks and armored vehicles have had trouble surviving against the threat of precision strike and the plethora of drone and reconnaissance systems flooding conflict zones across the Middle East.

For recent evidence, a Turkish launched operation targeting Syrian regime army troops in late February decimated more than a hundred tanks and armored vehicles, dozens of artillery pieces and hundreds of Syrian forces, according to the Turkish National Ministry of Defense.

[Doc]

https://youtu.be/5IM4rnNcvPI

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[Heracleum Persicum]

https://youtu.be/5IM4rnNcvPI

5IM4rnNcvPI

The most valuable attribute Western establishment has is the "trust" of their people

In 5 yrs Americans will know the truth .. Same as in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria this will backfire on America

This trust is eroded more and more

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[noddy]

the biggest argument against the conspiracy theory of Ukraine attacking itself as a British false flag is all the rest of both sides of the argument.

Putin has made many speeches for why he attacked, Azari has dutifyully reposted them, and Britain is also with Germany in the list of countries that tried to NOT to punish Russia for this.

one second NATO is spinless, testicle deprived , post modern peaceniks, next minute the masterminds playing Putin like a puppet.

[noddy]

Why the Russians are getting their butts kicked in the Ukraine. It seems the Marine's strange decision to get rid of it tanks a couple of years ago was the smart thing to do

indeed.

Now he has announced he isnt going to attackl Kyiv anymore - some will spin this as to his good character, others might notice he wasnt even looking close to being able to take it anyway.

[Heracleum Persicum]

Why the Russians are getting their butts kicked in the Ukraine. It seems the Marine's strange decision to get rid of it tanks a couple of years ago was the smart thing to do

indeed.

Now he has announced he isnt going to attackl Kyiv anymore - some will spin this as to his good character, others might notice he wasnt even looking close to being able to take it anyway.

Russia did not say want to take Ukraine .. this not like US taking all Iraq or Afghanistan

That is why it is WRONG calling Russian "incursion" an "Invasion"

Invasion is US invading Iraq and Afghanistan, occupying a country

My take is, Russia had 2 intention

- Destroying all Ukrainian military installation AND capability, ground and air capability, eliminating Ukraine being a military threat to Russia

In modern war, this done remote with cruise missiles and drones .. that is what Russia did .. no tanks needed for that

- To militarily occupy Ukraine/Russia border region Strategically important to Russia

That has to be done with boot on the ground, that is completed now

Conquering Kyiv was not objective as Russia not into "Regime Change" .. Russia said openly that prefers Zelenskyy stay in power

Russia want a neutral Ukraine that is no "military" danger to Russia

Russia did agree that Ukraine enters EU as it is an economic and social issue , but NO to any military stuff .. Seems Ukraine has already agreed to all these

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[Typhoon]

Speaking of unsupported arguments . . . see above.

Anyways, an ersatz Iranian, enjoying all the benefits of living in the West, with a serious, apparently terminal, case of Russophilia.

Too funny. From both a historical and current perspective.

[Heracleum Persicum]

Speaking of unsupported arguments . . . see above.

Anyways, an ersatz Iranian, enjoying all the benefits of living in the West, with a serious, apparently terminal, case of Russophilia.

Too funny. From both a historical and current perspective.

Will post link to each line posted above .. when I posting anything, I have in mind that I will be asked to validate it.


This intelligent unbiased debate the way West deserves .. imagine somebody would have posted against Iraq or Afghanistan war, would have he been a traitor to Western front ? after the fact we see now he would have been a good loyal Western citizen.

Are Americans happy LBJ fooling them about Gulf of Tonkin incident ? don't American wish now they should have been more skeptical ?

The damage that Vietnam inflicted to America, not only militarily, is much bigger than all Vietnam and Laos would have fallen to communism

Yes, Iranian in West using Western "openness" for "critical thinking" .. that is the "western strength".

[Heracleum Persicum]

Why the Russians are getting their butts kicked in the Ukraine. It seems the Marine's strange decision to get rid of it tanks a couple of years ago was the smart thing to do

indeed.

Now he has announced he isnt going to attackl Kyiv anymore - some will spin this as to his good character, others might notice he wasnt even looking close to being able to take it anyway.

Russia did not say want to take Ukraine .. this not like US taking all Iraq or Afghanistan

That is why it is WRONG calling Russian "incursion" an "Invasion"

Invasion is US invading Iraq and Afghanistan, occupying a country

My take is, Russia had 2 intention

- Destroying all Ukrainian military installation AND capability, ground and air capability, eliminating Ukraine being a military threat to Russia

In modern war, this done remote with cruise missiles and drones .. that is what Russia did .. no tanks needed for that

- To militarily occupy Ukraine/Russia border region Strategically important to Russia

That has to be done with boot on the ground, that is completed now

Conquering Kyiv was not objective as Russia not into "Regime Change" .. Russia said openly that prefers Zelenskyy stay in power

Russia want a neutral Ukraine that is no "military" danger to Russia

Russia did agree that Ukraine enters EU as it is an economic and social issue , but NO to any military stuff .. Seems Ukraine has already agreed to all these

.

Speaking of unsupported arguments . . . see above.

Anyways, an ersatz Iranian, enjoying all the benefits of living in the West, with a serious, apparently terminal, case of Russophilia.

Too funny. From both a historical and current perspective.

Most part what I said above is in this BBC article .... Just take the "propaganda" language out and stick to the facts in this BBC article


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56720589




Indian media as neutral as can be at this stage

Republic TV is India's no.1 English news channel

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[Mr. Perfect]

Speaking of unsupported arguments . . . see above.

Anyways, an ersatz Iranian, enjoying all the benefits of living in the West, with a serious, apparently terminal, case of Russophilia.

Too funny. From both a historical and current perspective.

And yet Putin is in the Ukraine, and the West did nothing to deter and have no control over the situation and are actually financing it despite warnings, despite having multiple entities dedicated to deterring and stopping this kind of thing.

[Mr. Perfect]

Why the Russians are getting their butts kicked in the Ukraine. It seems the Marine's strange decision to get rid of it tanks a couple of years ago was the smart thing to do

indeed.

Now he has announced he isnt going to attackl Kyiv anymore - some will spin this as to his good character, others might notice he wasnt even looking close to being able to take it anyway.

This turned out to be fake news.

You are really struggling to tell fact from fiction.

[Mr. Perfect]

A study in impotence. A study in self castration.

[Mr. Perfect]

So it is understandable that Ukrainians do not want to be "Russian".

The same goes for the Baltics and the rest of E Europe whose experiences are all too similar.

It’s not up to you

Or you.

As for myself, I've never claimed that it was.

You sure did. That's why I responded.

The nations once occupied by the former SU have made their views quite clear.

Depends on who you talk to. Opinions vary.

One opinion is that that part of world redraws its maps every so often, and this is just one blip that will be forgotten, or simply integrated into a boring historical timeline that will continue indefinitely into the future.

Either way that is not the larger story, which is that the UN/NATO led by US model of global security is finished.

The result of which is that places like Japan and Australia have no security now. And are sitting ducks. No one will save them from the outside from what's coming

[Mr. Perfect]

Trying to see if there is anything unfactual in this.

[Typhoon]

Trying to see if there is anything unfactual in this.

Sounds like one of your clueless geldings.

[Typhoon]

So it is understandable that Ukrainians do not want to be "Russian".

The same goes for the Baltics and the rest of E Europe whose experiences are all too similar.

It’s not up to you

Or you.

As for myself, I've never claimed that it was.

You sure did. That's why I responded.

So you claim. So what? As if your assertions have any credibility.

The nations once occupied by the former SU have made their views quite clear.

Depends on who you talk to. Opinions vary.

Do elaborate. Which of the Baltic nations, Ukraine or other nations occupied by the former SU or Poland or the other nations of the former so-called Warsaw Pact have expressed a desire to be re-occupied by Russia.

[Typhoon]

Why the Russians are getting their butts kicked in the Ukraine. It seems the Marine's strange decision to get rid of it tanks a couple of years ago was the smart thing to do

indeed.

Now he has announced he isnt going to attackl Kyiv anymore - some will spin this as to his good character, others might notice he wasnt even looking close to being able to take it anyway.

Russia did not say want to take Ukraine .. this not like US taking all Iraq or Afghanistan

That is why it is WRONG calling Russian "incursion" an "Invasion"

Invasion is US invading Iraq and Afghanistan, occupying a country

My take is, Russia had 2 intention

- Destroying all Ukrainian military installation AND capability, ground and air capability, eliminating Ukraine being a military threat to Russia

In modern war, this done remote with cruise missiles and drones .. that is what Russia did .. no tanks needed for that

- To militarily occupy Ukraine/Russia border region Strategically important to Russia

That has to be done with boot on the ground, that is completed now

Conquering Kyiv was not objective as Russia not into "Regime Change" .. Russia said openly that prefers Zelenskyy stay in power

Russia want a neutral Ukraine that is no "military" danger to Russia

Russia did agree that Ukraine enters EU as it is an economic and social issue , but NO to any military stuff .. Seems Ukraine has already agreed to all these

Straight from RT:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTU_Sx-_N4Y

pTU_Sx-_N4Y

Anyways, Putin stated that "Ukraine is a fiction created by Lenin" and should thus be part of Russia.

You're rationalizing the abject failure of Putin in achieving his goal. Like a good little Russophile.

[Typhoon]

Speaking of unsupported arguments . . . see above.

Anyways, an ersatz Iranian, enjoying all the benefits of living in the West, with a serious, apparently terminal, case of Russophilia.

Too funny. From both a historical and current perspective.

Will post link to each line posted above .. when I posting anything, I have in mind that I will be asked to validate it.


This intelligent unbiased debate the way West deserves .. imagine somebody would have posted against Iraq or Afghanistan war, would have he been a traitor to Western front ? after the fact we see now he would have been a good loyal Western citizen.

Are Americans happy LBJ fooling them about Gulf of Tonkin incident ? don't American wish now they should have been more skeptical ?

The damage that Vietnam inflicted to America, not only militarily, is much bigger than all Vietnam and Laos would have fallen to communism

The US has taken plenty of dumb actions, however, these do not justify, in any way whatsoever, the actions of Russia.

Whataboutism is a logical fallacy, not an argument.

Yes, Iranian in West using Western "openness" for "critical thinking" .. that is the "western strength".

Well, I've yet to see any such example.