The white majority is fading, the economy is changing and there’s a pervasive sense of loss in districts where Republicans fought the outcome of the 2020 election.
The NYT's America doesn't extend past the Hudson river.Heracleum Persicum wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 5:09 pm .
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/23/us/p ... phics.html
The white majority is fading, the economy is changing and there’s a pervasive sense of loss in districts where Republicans fought the outcome of the 2020 election.
America has enough issues at home that could change America's future, dramatically
Well this didn’t age well.NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 5:15 am Now that Republicans are set to make gains in the upcoming federal elections, we are back to grand narratives about bitter, awful white people who are losing and need to be crushed.
There was a scenario where it was?Zack Morris wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:44 amWell this didn’t age well.NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 5:15 am Now that Republicans are set to make gains in the upcoming federal elections, we are back to grand narratives about bitter, awful white people who are losing and need to be crushed.
These days the countryside is voting more Republican than ever, while many suburbs now vote Democratic.
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Demography is giving the Democrats a boost in the burbs. Groups that vote their way, including racial minorities, have been moving there. In many suburbs today, especially near big cities, minority groups are a majority of the voters.
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“Resentment” is an important word in some of the theories: Rural residents think urbanites and suburbanites look down on them and they think they don’t get a fair shake from big governments, the media and other urban institutions.
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.. more than half of the nation’s 331 million people live in the suburbs. That’s where many future elections will be determined. There’s still an urban-rural divide, but the suburban-rural divide is the one to watch.
Jill's voice faltered as we look out the window on this Friday afternoon. Down the hill from the old Courthouse, the main street of Hurley, Wisconsin is quiet. Jill’s vivid memories of the past stand in stark contradiction to her contemporary experience in Iron County. Today, only 1,500 people live in Hurley, and 800 live in Montreal, Wisconsin (Wisconsin settlement data, 2016). These are the only two incorporated towns in Wisconsin's Iron County. The county's population peaked in 1920, at 10,261 residents. By 2010, the county had 5,900 residents, four schools, and two grocery stores scattered across 758 square miles (United States Census Bureau, 2015). Fourteen percent live below the poverty rate, 30% are over age 65, 45% are of working age and 12% of those are unemployed (Smeeding et al., 2014).
Rural decline is a phenomenon of industrialized nations due, in part, to a combination of a far below replacement fertility rate and the young moving to cities for opportunity.Miss_Faucie_Fishtits wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:11 am https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 6716304600
Jill's voice faltered as we look out the window on this Friday afternoon. Down the hill from the old Courthouse, the main street of Hurley, Wisconsin is quiet. Jill’s vivid memories of the past stand in stark contradiction to her contemporary experience in Iron County. Today, only 1,500 people live in Hurley, and 800 live in Montreal, Wisconsin (Wisconsin settlement data, 2016). These are the only two incorporated towns in Wisconsin's Iron County. The county's population peaked in 1920, at 10,261 residents. By 2010, the county had 5,900 residents, four schools, and two grocery stores scattered across 758 square miles (United States Census Bureau, 2015). Fourteen percent live below the poverty rate, 30% are over age 65, 45% are of working age and 12% of those are unemployed (Smeeding et al., 2014).
Patriotism, religion and hard work hold less importance
. . percentage of Americans who say that “patriotism” is very important to them has fallen to 38%, down from 61% in 2019 and 70% in 1998. “Religion” has fallen in importance, with 39% listing it as very important, down from 48% in 2019 and 62% in 1998.
Just 30% of Americans now consider “having children” very important, down from 43% in 2019 and 59% in 1998. Back in 1998, 47% ranked “community involvement” as very important, a figure that rose to 62% in 2019, before falling to 27% in 2023.
Only “money” has consistently increased in importance, with 43% of Americans ranking it as very important, up from 41% in 2019 and 31% in 1998.
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Much has changed in the decades since the first such poll was taken. The buoyant economy of the 1990s evaporated with the dot-com crash in 2000; the 9/11 attacks were followed by disastrous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the expansion of the national security state at home; the 2008 financial crisis caused widespread economic immiseration; Barack Obama’s second term saw the explosion of ‘woke’ identity politics; and the election of Donald Trump led to a seemingly irreversible political polarization.
That polarization is evident in the survey, with Republicans ranking patriotism, religion, and having children higher than Democrats. Community involvement is slightly more important to Democrats, while both groups consider money equally important. The divide is widest on the idea of patriotism, with 59% of Republicans considering it very important, compared to just 23% of Democrats.
noddy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:03 am since the 70's depression, its been all upwards for the cities across the west with barely a hiccup until the GFC, when things started wobbling.
any rural kid doing 12 hr days on the farm would have seen the TV shows of city kids just partying and clubbing and wanting in on that.
hence, we have the decline of the old rural ways and the birth of the new passive aggressive middle class urban ways.
on some levels its happening all over the world, except China ran out of middle class jobs when they were only 1/3 through the population - India hasnt even got that far yet.
the west has now also run out of middle class jobs, so the burbs are filling up angry folks who didnt get the fancy lifestyle they were promised on TV.
everyone is focusing on the american version of this - but its happening all over the world and China probably has the worst version of it all.
Xi's mandate from heaven is based on him keeping that middle class growth going - Chinese arent going to settle for a second grade lifestyle.
"Tis but a fleshwound"..... if it is but that......'>......
https://www.wsj.com/articles/americans- ... s-df8534cdA number of events have shaken and in some ways fractured the nation since the Journal first asked about unifying values, among them the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the financial crisis of 2008 and subsequent economic downturn and the rise of former President Donald Trump.
And:"To punish a man because he has committed a crime, or because he is believed, though unjustly, to have committed a crime, is not persecution. To punish a man, because we infer from the nature of some doctrine which he holds, or from the conduct of other persons who hold the same doctrines with him, that he will commit a crime is persecution, and is, in every case, foolish and wicked..."
"The doctrine of reprobation, in the judgment of many very able men, follows by syllogistic necessity from the doctrine of election. Others conceive that the Antinomian heresy directly follows from the doctrine of reprobation; and it is very generally thought that licentiousness and cruelty of the worst description are likely to be the fruits, as they often have been the fruits, of Antinomian opinions. This chain of reasoning, we think, is as perfect in all its parts as that which makes out a Papist to be necessarily a traitor. Yet, it would be rather a strong measure to hang all the Calvinists, on the ground that if they were spared, they would infallibly commit all the atrocities of Matthias and Knipperdoling. For, reason the matter as we may, experience shows us that a man may believe in election without believing in reprobation, that he may believe in reprobation without being an Antinomian, and that he may be an Antinomian without being a bad citizen. Man, in short, is so inconsistent a creature that it is impossible to reason from his belief to his conduct, or from one part of his belief to another."
(both quotations may be found on pg.117 and 118 of The Critical and Historical Essays, Contributed to the Edinburgh Review by Thomas Babbington MacCauly
