On conservative and libertarian stupidity

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Doc wrote: Thu May 02, 2024 10:03 pm
Parodite wrote: Wed May 01, 2024 11:19 am What I understood from Musk a while back, is that the law already provides for what is criminal or not. Like direct calls to violence, childporn etc. Question then is to what degree Musk is obliged to also act as law enforcer in that regard, or that this has to be done by other governmental officials.

I always thought this is the best approach. Like if you organise a public square party and criminality occurs or seems to occur, you just call the police and not expect from the people who bring the beer to do that job. Systems to monitor and report yes, but then its up to the state do its regular job. They can prosecute etc

To blame Musk for not willing to do what should not be his responsability anyways, as it seems to me, is bad virtue signalling and a form of seeding corruption.

Legal context changes for publishers, which X is not.
I have been suspended from Twitter at least 12 times (pre Musk ownership) for content that offended leftists. Usually at least 3 or more leftists. They don't like the content they report it. It seems three or more reports gets a suspension. I was also shadow banned for most of the time I was on pre Musk Twitter. When I had 450 to 750 followers I was getting 250K impressions per month. When I had 1,000 to 10,000 followers I was getting 25k impressions per month. Plus every time I was suspended I would lose 30 to 50% of my followers. I figure I lost about 20k followers all together.

Since Musk took over I was suspended twice. The second time was so ridiculous I quit Twitter/X. I never made a tweet that violated the rules. The closest I came was when I told a blue check mark leftist to go jump in a lake. I was told I was suspended for encouraging self harm.
Hilarious :D

It seems to me that a platform like X cannot be moderated sufficiently by any metric. And there are so many other platforms, channels… who on earth wants to think that this organism can be chained, controlled. An illusion.
But in any event censoring people for content is a function of a Publisher not a telephone company. IE you don't get your telephone service suspended because some one does not like what you politically have to say on the telephone.
Yea that’s as I understood it too. Most dangerous situation was pre-Musk: twitter pretending to be a platform but actually behave like a publisher. With friends in the GVT who liked to give compelling “guidelines” what publish not to publish, doing them an offer “they couldn’t refuse” mafia style on a sunday afternoon in the back of a smokey saloon.

Musk seems to me just experimenting and testing the public waters, figuring out the optimal configuration of X. If there is any: maybe he already concluded twitter/X is dying, but keeping it for as long as needed intil his ultime app where your entire online life happens, becomes a reality. Now that app is modeled on a Chinese version that already exists, which tells you something about where all Musks endevours and creations will end up: in the hands of a very small group of techno-burocrat oligarchs. Who might be benign enlightened managers, but as well be or become pure fascist control freaks, killing bankaccounts of unwanted enemies of the state.
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Brass tacks is that Musk is not better than what came before, outside the shortest of scales. A different kind of bad.

It's a question of would you prefer Mussolini or the 24/7 star chamber.
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The way he treats his staff, I wouldnt trust him with any kind of power over me at all.

I think the young kids call it main character syndrome.
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and this separates him from the rest of the tech weirdos how?

We are talking about a guy who plans to own human slaves at some point. And by all indications, that's bog standard for the silicon industry.

It's like we took the mania of engineers and injected'em with the malevolence of writers.
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It was relevant in the context of folks who think he is the savior of social media.

They are all super toxic, with plans, and probably more power than most governments.
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Which reminds me I forgot to add the hubris of medical doctors to the maelstrom.

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I do think twitter has degraded quite a bit tho.

every day my non posting account acquires a couple of porn bot followers

the main problem is that the feed having popular and new is now, almost, useless.

popular hangs around for days, the same posts, the same people.

new is mostly random bots and chaos.

I fully understand the "popular" algorithm is the main means of control of the narrative and all of them abuse it but im not convinced making it useless has improved anything.
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by some accounts, he has fired over two-thirds of Twitter’s former staff — could have a domino effect throughout Silicon Valley, putting a dagger in the heart of the Left’s ideological control over America’s powerful tech sector.
this is wishful thinking.

all of the big boys have already been trimming the fat post covid, and losing the excess staff hasnt changed their ideology, the cart and the horse are back to front in the above whimsy.

the only real outcome is that churn and burn on the workers is now at an all time high.

the acceleration towards only a minority of people having stable employment - keeps accelerating.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-19/ ... /103843886

australia will lead the way on the new, safer, internet.

use the covid infrastructure to keep under 16 year olds off the net, and adults registering with their ID everytime they want to masturbate.

glorious future.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/paren ... 7d1a96724e

murdoch is supporting it too!

much to look forward too.
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noddy wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 1:32 am https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-19/ ... /103843886

australia will lead the way on the new, safer, internet.

use the covid infrastructure to keep under 16 year olds off the net, and adults registering with their ID everytime they want to masturbate.

glorious future.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/paren ... 7d1a96724e

murdoch is supporting it too!

much to look forward too.


First this wisdom

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cZDVW4Ngccc



And

I think the main reason "birthrate" in west is collapsing is Porno watching in West

Porno makes men "Impotent" .. Men watching porno can not perform with their partner, for many reason .. and avoid sex with their partner to not be embarrassed by failing, they neither get "Sexually Arousal" by their partner nor last performing. This not talked about but is the truth.

Porno should be outlawed.

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noddy wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 1:09 am I do think twitter has degraded quite a bit tho.

every day my non posting account acquires a couple of porn bot followers

the main problem is that the feed having popular and new is now, almost, useless.

popular hangs around for days, the same posts, the same people.

new is mostly random bots and chaos.

I fully understand the "popular" algorithm is the main means of control of the narrative and all of them abuse it but im not convinced making it useless has improved anything.
Yes, the porn bots are attempting to glom on to little used accounts, so it's a chore to clear'em out everyday.

My experience is that it isn't worse than the frequent spam/scams sent my way during earlier twitter iterations.

And whatever minder groups that used to be all over twitter have disappeared.
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I am very aware that complaining about who controls a popular tab can come off as petty and yada yada yada. There are plenty of people who are more aligned with me who would become tyrants with that power too.

Frankly, I am GLAD any popular post button slows down or doesn't work. These are nightmare functions meant for instant gratification and driving traffic is much of the problem with social media.

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And that licensing thing is the stuff is nightmarish but is coming down the pike with any excuse available. Canada is right behind, then the UK and then the pressure will be on the US to get in line with the rest of the world and stop being so backwards and awful.

Murdoch: The 200 year old man has no clue what an internet is and has screwed up or been on the losing end of internet stuff so consistently, there should be some comfort in his support.
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NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 4:46 am
Frankly, I am GLAD any popular post button slows down or doesn't work. These are nightmare functions meant for instant gratification and driving traffic is much of the problem with social media.
true enough i spose.

my original thought was that it was a breakdown in Twitters usefullness - I get presented with a bunch of trending topics, I click on one, both the popular and the new feeds provide me with very little information on that actual topic or why its trending most of the time.

shitposts and bots as far as the eye can see, or simple pattern matching grabbing unrelated crap from who knows where.
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NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 4:46 am
And that licensing thing is the stuff is nightmarish but is coming down the pike with any excuse available. Canada is right behind, then the UK and then the pressure will be on the US to get in line with the rest of the world and stop being so backwards and awful.

Murdoch: The 200 year old man has no clue what an internet is and has screwed up or been on the losing end of internet stuff so consistently, there should be some comfort in his support.
and to be clear, I dont see this as conspiracy, I see much of the middle class supporting it.

lots of parents are second thinking the internet and its effect on kids, and most of em dont really care if some adults get upset at having to age verify for their R rated content.

you are right on murdoch, but its always interesting to see which way he leans on a topic.
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The middle class is the conspiracy :)

More seriously, I haven't a doubt there is plenty of support with solid reasoning. So much of it is a slow motion car crash in progress: take this technology and those people and this economy and that tendency. There is a sense of inevitability to some of it that no concerted effort is going to change.

But none of us was born yesterday. We all know what regulation, especially around age restrictions means, it's a way to lock in and institutionalize the current arrangement now.

"Drink responsibly" still means drink. :)

So much of "protect the children from capital" is "protect capital from the responsibility of children" and a nice way for the middle class to wash its hands of the responsibility. Or maybe its better to make it, to clear their own bad conscientious.

...and the amount of surveillance required to actually get it to work, or more likely arbitrary and lazy abuse, is going to be immense. Figuring out the fallout from that is not really our battle though. There are some things posterity just gonna hafta deal with.
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