Ibrahim wrote:monster_gardener wrote:
IMVHO not so much...............
I recall Hitchens allowing himself to be waterboarded and then pronouncing waterboarding to be torture to the dismay of his allies neo/conservative/whatever who wish to pretend otherwise............
He didn't do the exact same kind of waterboarding that the US gov used against detainees (something about being on an incline vs. being flat) but he did correctly label it torture.
However, he continued to support the Iraq and Afghan wars, and never spoke against the practice of detaining whomever for however long without any kind of trial or external review process.
Thank you Very Much for your post, Ibrahim.
He didn't do the exact same kind of waterboarding that the US gov used against detainees (something about being on an incline vs. being flat) but he did correctly label it torture.
Very Fair Enough......................
Hitchens himself admits that: was in more or less friendly hands, knew he wasn't going back to a cell etc..... Still was BAD........ and brave to have a second go at it................
Noted in the comments section of the video that other conservative commentators, notably ManCow
Mueller, had the Bull
courage to do it too....
It's true.......... ManCow didn't go as full force as Hitchens in his waterboarding: not tied down etc...........but he too said it was torture............
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However, he continued to support the Iraq and Afghan wars, and never spoke against the practice of detaining whomever for however long without any kind of trial or external review process.
Don't know if I have Hitchen's courage but I might be willing to try out Club Gitmo
..........
Joking aside, I know that even "country club" white collar criminals complain about the loss of freedom..............
What to do with "War on Terror" detainees............ Ron Paul is IMVHO right on the need to declare war............. POWs can be held for the duration of the conflict or until they are exchanged, give parole..........
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