"Salafisation" of traditional Sunni Islam - a Kalifa

[AzariLoveIran]

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Arab Awakening veers sharply from being a project of reform and democracy towards a Gulf states-funded initiative to restore regional Sunni primacy, the strategy is becoming clear. Qatari and Saudi dollars will steer "stirrings" towards radical Salafism so their absolute monarchies can assert leadership of a new, wider Muslim polity. The cultural shift towards intolerance and hegemony is already causing uncertainty and desperation across the region.





Loooove it


Told you so .. told you so

America, West, wants to genuflect Arabs

Hans, you being fooled by West .. Qatar and Saudi Arabia are both Wahhabi Salafist states

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Many Syrians see the struggle now not so much as one of reform - though all Syrians want that - but now as a more primordial, elemental fight to preserve the notion of Syria itself, a deep-rooted self-identity amidst fears that touch on the most sensitive, inflamed nerves within the Islamic world.
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Syrian self-identity, as for many others in the region, was never a sectarian one, but was rooted in a belonging to one of the great nations of the region with a "model of society" which had "more religious freedom and tolerance … than in any other Arab country".

Syrians did not view themselves as primarily identified by sect. Wahhabi-style sectarian intolerance is foreign to the Levant, even to Levant Sunnism. We are already witnessing, in Egypt, for example, push-back against movements seen to be motivated primarily by considerations of sect - even from those who see themselves as Islamist. They seek not another type of strait-jacket. The question is being asked: has the Brotherhood switched from "patience" to "domination"? There is a sense now of something fundamentally lost: with this authoritarian re-culturization - where now is any real reforming, revolutionary zeal ?
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everybody relaaaax

not gonno work

Iranians will not let it happen


look, guys

this fight is for "wahhabi-Sallafi" Islam .. or .. Iranian-Rumi Islam

Fight is to reform Islam along the line of Wahhabi-Sallafi .. or .. along the line of Rumi (Molana), Khayam, Haafez, Saadi and Ferdosi

fight is between Ahriman (Wahhabi-Sallafi) Saudi and Qatari .. and .. Ahura Mazda

fight between night .. and .. day


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[monster_gardener]

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Arab Awakening veers sharply from being a project of reform and democracy towards a Gulf states-funded initiative to restore regional Sunni primacy, the strategy is becoming clear. Qatari and Saudi dollars will steer "stirrings" towards radical Salafism so their absolute monarchies can assert leadership of a new, wider Muslim polity. The cultural shift towards intolerance and hegemony is already causing uncertainty and desperation across the region.





Loooove it


Told you so .. told you so

America, West, wants to genuflect Arabs

Hans, you being fooled by West .. Qatar and Saudi Arabia are both Wahhabi Salafist states

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Many Syrians see the struggle now not so much as one of reform - though all Syrians want that - but now as a more primordial, elemental fight to preserve the notion of Syria itself, a deep-rooted self-identity amidst fears that touch on the most sensitive, inflamed nerves within the Islamic world.
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Syrian self-identity, as for many others in the region, was never a sectarian one, but was rooted in a belonging to one of the great nations of the region with a "model of society" which had "more religious freedom and tolerance … than in any other Arab country".

Syrians did not view themselves as primarily identified by sect. Wahhabi-style sectarian intolerance is foreign to the Levant, even to Levant Sunnism. We are already witnessing, in Egypt, for example, push-back against movements seen to be motivated primarily by considerations of sect - even from those who see themselves as Islamist. They seek not another type of strait-jacket. The question is being asked: has the Brotherhood switched from "patience" to "domination"? There is a sense now of something fundamentally lost: with this authoritarian re-culturization - where now is any real reforming, revolutionary zeal ?
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everybody relaaaax

not gonno work

Iranians will not let it happen


look, guys

this fight is for "wahhabi-Sallafi" Islam .. or .. Iranian-Rumi Islam

Fight is to reform Islam along the line of Wahhabi-Sallafi .. or .. along the line of Rumi (Molana), Khayam, Haafez, Saadi and Ferdosi

fight is between Ahriman (Wahhabi-Sallafi) Saudi and Qatari .. and .. Ahura Mazda

fight between night .. and .. day


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Thank you Very Much for your post, Azari.

FWIW Milo had something comparatively good to say about Iran compared to many of the other Muslim states....

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=840&p=20936#p20936

The KSA props up the entire Sunni Islamic world, including the parts of it in non-Islamic countries. Without Saudi Arabian patronage, the entire Sunni Islamic world faces economic collapse. The Shia have Iran's patronage, Iran is no Switzerland, but it's at least not a complete basket case, like pretty well every other ME country. But overall, it looks pretty hopeless for the Islamic world.

Oh yes, Turkey, Indonesia and Malaysia. Well, they have a shot at coming out without a complete breakdown. But none of them are model countries by a long shot; little margin for error, and many pitfalls. When things really start hitting the fan, they are as likely to retreat to savagery as rise to secularism.

And per Dmitri Orlov, that may apply to Uz too.........

Canada may be in better shape at least the coasts and Great Lakes....... energy and water access.......

A couple of really scary thoughts about Orlov......

1. Orlov predicts a Hard Crash for Uz vs. a Soft Crash for the Euros......... What does he mean by "Hard Crash"........ Fall of the Soviet Union or Mad Max Thunderdome.........

IMVHO it's dicey when a nuke power has a hard crash..... Nukes could have flown even in the Soviet Version.......


2. Does a soft crash include the ability to have space program(s) which stop Dinosaur Killer type Space Rocks from doing a hard crash into Earth...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_crater

fight between night .. and .. day

Maybe greater evil and lesser evil........

Similar to Uz......

Remembering WW2........ Lesser Evil Segregationists from Southern Uz fighting Greater Evil Genocidal Germans.........

[AzariLoveIran]

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Look, Monster

we debating since long long time , here and in all other fora , Spengler, Tor and and and

issue is "reforming Islam"

well ,

that AT article above .. says .. Sallafi & Wahhabi .. meaning Saudi and Qatar .. they want to shape Islam to their Wahhabi and Salafi liking

You guys have sanctioned Iran, can not sell Oil, can not imports grain, can not buy medicine for cancer patients

at the same time

you guys are showering those Wahhabi and Sallafi Saudi & Qatar with money .. they swimming in money, money coming out of their ears

and

Saudi and Qatar buying in Pakistan and all over the world criminals to go and kill Syrian secular woman and children

what is wrong with you guys ? ?



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[monster_gardener]

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Look, Monster

we debating since long long time , here and in all other fora , Spengler, Tor and and and

issue is "reforming Islam"

well ,

that AT article above .. says .. Sallafi & Wahhabi .. meaning Saudi and Qatar .. they want to shape Islam to their Wahhabi and Salafi liking

You guys have sanctioned Iran, can not sell Oil, can not imports grain, can not buy medicine for cancer patients

at the same time

you guys are showering those Wahhabi and Sallafi Saudi & Qatar with money .. they swimming in money, money coming out of their ears

and

Saudi and Qatar buying in Pakistan and all over the world criminals to go and kill Syrian secular woman and children

what is wrong with you guys ? ?



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Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari.

what is wrong with you guys ?

IMVHO one reason is that one of our "royal" families, the Bushes, is effectively part Saudi......

Bandar Bush who really does/did fly....... quite a flight from son of a slave girl to Fighter Pilot Prince, Ambassador & more........

And

While We Uz may be part Eagle........ sometimes we fly with Turkis.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turki_bin_Faisal_Al_Saud

To be fair...

Sometimes the influence seems to go both ways.. Wonder how much some of the Saudi Sheiks really believe the Salafi Silliness:

Have to assume they may really believe.......

But it may just be for the benefit of the Wahabi Clergy and I suspect it along with the oil money is the glue that keeps Arabia from being again a land of warring tribes..........

Bandar's boozing..........

[AzariLoveIran]

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Look, Monster

we debating since long long time , here and in all other fora , Spengler, Tor and and and

issue is "reforming Islam"

well ,

that AT article above .. says .. Sallafi & Wahhabi .. meaning Saudi and Qatar .. they want to shape Islam to their Wahhabi and Salafi liking

You guys have sanctioned Iran, can not sell Oil, can not imports grain, can not buy medicine for cancer patients

at the same time

you guys are showering those Wahhabi and Sallafi Saudi & Qatar with money .. they swimming in money, money coming out of their ears

and

Saudi and Qatar buying in Pakistan and all over the world criminals to go and kill Syrian secular woman and children

what is wrong with you guys ? ?


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Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari.

what is wrong with you guys ?

IMVHO one reason is that one of our "royal" families, the Bushes, is effectively part Saudi......

Bandar Bush who really does/did fly....... quite a flight from son of a slave girl to Fighter Pilot Prince, Ambassador & more........

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yeeees , that son of an African slave girl (4get fighter pilot, by name only) .. real Saudi fighter pilots are Paki .. is doing all the mischief

He, suddenly disparaged from radar screen .. with close cooperation with Mossad (believe or not) and CIA he orchestrating this whole lavender .. you remember Sunni Wahhabi uprising in Beirut ? ? that was his work .. and now all this lavender with Assad and Egypt and Libya and Tunis and and and

well

notion, Bushes have some special relation with Saudi misleading .. Bush and all western leaders, they
Petro-prostitute .. you remember how LoviDovi Sarko and Blair and that Italian guy and even Obama were with poor guy Qaddafi ? ? when time came, Qaddafi was thrown to dogs .. or even poor Shah, after serving America & west for 30 yrs, was fucked

well

Reforming Islam will be done by Iran .. neither Arabs nor Turkey nor anybody else have the civilizational dept to reform a religion, Iran has started it (Zoroastrian) and will finish he job

Noblesse oblige


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[Milo]

If anyone can do, it Iran can; I've been saying that for some time. However, I don't think they can. Shia are such a tiny part of the Islamic world; for some 5% to exert enough influence over the other 95 is tough to envision.

Still, as I said on the thread about the latest Spengie, the Sunni world won't know what hit them before too long, likely ever! That will level the playing field, along with God knows what else!

[AzariLoveIran]

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If anyone can do, it Iran can; I've been saying that for some time. However, I don't think they can. Shia are such a tiny part of the Islamic world; for some 5% to exert enough influence over the other 95 is tough to envision.

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Milo , reforming Islam not same as Shia take-over of Islam

not at all

Look

that original Islam of Moh and Omar, was, a crude, unpolished, Arab tribal, bit from here bit from there, not thought throw, without any spiritual or philosophical dept and and and movement .. took off only due to attractiveness of traditional Arabian plundering and murder of others, this time with no guilt as Allah was on their side

the real spiritual and philosophical dept to Islam came from Persian Giants like Rumi, and and and .. people from Arabia do not have anybody thinkin straight let alone with philosophical dept, almost all Islamic philosopher were Pomegranates

so

Milo

Iranians must pull the sleeve up and come with the "NEW ISLAM" .. continue in the shoes of Rumi & ATTAR & NEZAMI etc etc

but

Americans & West do not want that

they want Wahhabi and Sallafi and Sheiks

to ride the donkey for the Oil

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Still, as I said on the thread about the latest Spengie, the Sunni world won't know what hit them before too long, likely ever! That will level the playing field, along with God knows what else !

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true .. quite accurate


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[Ibrahim]

Still, as I said on the thread about the latest Spengie, the Sunni world won't know what hit them before too long, likely ever! That will level the playing field, along with God knows what else!

Except that all that garbage was refuted and you were left clinging to your unsubstantiated fantasies, not any kind of rational prediction based on facts or evidence.

[Mr. Perfect]

Are you trying to convince yourself or somebody else?

[Hans Bulvai]

Sorry but this whole idea that Islam is cut down the Middle between Wahhabi and Rumi and the fight is between night and day is nonsense.
There are over a billion SUNNI muslims that do not adhere to what the Sheiks are trying to peddle and those Syrians being killed by Asad, and others, are not secular. They very much are Sunni Muslims that are tired of living under this brutal criminal regime. Yeah what will come next will most probably be worst no matter what it is cloaked under but there will be many to blame for it including Iran.

C'mon Azari. We both know that this IS about Sunni and Shia. We both know it. No body inthe Arab world wants anything to do with Iran anymore. You guys should have cut Asad loose if you wanted the Arab masses to follow but the fig leaf has fallen and as you have said before, the masses are not sleeping anymore.

[Ibrahim]

Iran doesn't matter as an Assad backer. It's Russia that prevents the possibility of external intervention.

[Milo]

Are you trying to convince yourself or somebody else?

It's like Spengler's entire thesis about the downfall of the Islamic world in microcosm.

[AzariLoveIran]

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.. Spengler's entire thesis about the downfall of the Islamic world in microcosm.

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No such thing as Islamic world

Muslims are not a nation, nor people, nor civilization, nor culture

Islam a religion .. similar to, you Buddhist

and

David & company, Zionist, they come with an agenda

so

do not believe what they say

They no idiots,

but

they think

you

goy

durian


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[AzariLoveIran]

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C'mon Azari.

We both know that this IS about Sunni and Shia.

We both know it.

No body inthe Arab world wants anything to do with Iran anymore.

You guys should have cut Asad loose if you wanted the Arab masses to follow but the fig leaf has fallen and as you have said before, the masses are not sleeping anymore.

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No, Hans, no

Neither I, nor you, believe this about Sunni and Shia

but

what you and I know,

is

this about Iranians and Arab (speakers)

notion, this about Ali (Shia) or Omar (Sunni) either naive or malicious

that notion, it's a Shia-Sunni struggle, is nurtured by west, and, is a treason to Arab world

down the road, in 2 or 3 generation, new ME generation, will not even know who Omar or Ali was, similar to in west the new generation doesn't know anything about those christian saints etc

Arab world's competition with Iran, who will dominate the "New ME", will not be Sunni or Shia domination .. the domination will be in science, literature, humanity, culture and and and

Shia itself, as Sunni too, is outdated and must be "rewritten" .. those Sheiks and Sultans and Kings and their savants do not have the civilizational and cultural and many other predicates for "rewriting" the "NEW ISLAM" .. "New Islam" must intellectually and philosophical cater in dept to the new generation, it must stick for the next 1000 yrs .. only Iran has that capacity

Arab (speaking) wold is now subservient to Western colonial powers .. Arab mass can not get western colonial shackles off without Iranian help .. west knows this .. and that is why west playing Arab street sentiment against Iran .. without Iran, Arab mass has no hope to come out of western shackles

Issue not Shia-Sunni what bothers you .. issue Arab-Iran .. unfortunately

Issue not Assad a democrat and liberal man .. he far from it

issue whether Assad better, or those Wahhabi-Salafi Saudi Qatari and and and

The uprising against Assad is not by liberal democracy loving Syrians and the Christians and and and

A war is started between Western proxy (Wahhabi Salafi Qatari + probably Pakistan, etc) .. and Russia+Iran+China+ (probably India etc)

things will get out of control and could the end of KSA and Persian Golf Sheiks

and

Hans

Arabs do not call Persian Golf, Persian Golf

is this also a Shia Sunni issue ? ?



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[Ibrahim]

It's like Spengler's entire thesis about the downfall of the Islamic world in microcosm.

If you mean that both you and Spengler are obviously wrong and trying to pass off your unsubstantiated fantasies as analysis, then yes.

The two of you suffer a major credibility problem.

[Mr. Perfect]

OTOH, people in Arab countries seem to just suffer.

[Mr. Perfect]

Iran doesn't matter as an Assad backer. It's Russia that prevents the possibility of external intervention.

not at all. Getcha a rifle and head on over there with Ammianus, we can make a war buddie movie, reality format.

[Hans Bulvai]

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C'mon Azari.

We both know that this IS about Sunni and Shia.

We both know it.

No body inthe Arab world wants anything to do with Iran anymore.

You guys should have cut Asad loose if you wanted the Arab masses to follow but the fig leaf has fallen and as you have said before, the masses are not sleeping anymore.

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No, Hans, no

Neither I, nor you, believe this about Sunni and Shia

but

what you and I know,

is

this about Iranians and Arab (speakers)

notion, this about Ali (Shia) or Omar (Sunni) either naive or malicious

that notion, it's a Shia-Sunni struggle, is nurtured by west, and, is a treason to Arab world

down the road, in 2 or 3 generation, new ME generation, will not even know who Omar or Ali was, similar to in west the new generation doesn't know anything about those christian saints etc

Arab world's competition with Iran, who will dominate the "New ME", will not be Sunni or Shia domination .. the domination will be in science, literature, humanity, culture and and and

Shia itself, as Sunni too, is outdated and must be "rewritten" .. those Sheiks and Sultans and Kings and their savants do not have the civilizational and cultural and many other predicates for "rewriting" the "NEW ISLAM" .. "New Islam" must intellectually and philosophical cater in dept to the new generation, it must stick for the next 1000 yrs .. only Iran has that capacity

Arab (speaking) wold is now subservient to Western colonial powers .. Arab mass can not get western colonial shackles off without Iranian help .. west knows this .. and that is why west playing Arab street sentiment against Iran .. without Iran, Arab mass has no hope to come out of western shackles

Issue not Shia-Sunni what bothers you .. issue Arab-Iran .. unfortunately

Issue not Assad a democrat and liberal man .. he far from it

issue whether Assad better, or those Wahhabi-Salafi Saudi Qatari and and and

The uprising against Assad is not by liberal democracy loving Syrians and the Christians and and and

A war is started between Western proxy (Wahhabi Salafi Qatari + probably Pakistan, etc) .. and Russia+Iran+China+ (probably India etc)

things will get out of control and could the end of KSA and Persian Golf Sheiks

and

Hans

Arabs do not call Persian Golf, Persian Golf

is this also a Shia Sunni issue ? ?



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I want to beleive you Azari because I agree with your thoughts but little hints on the ground say otherwise.
And no need to tell me about the shieks. We share the same sentiment. My personal opinion is that they are Islam's greatest enemy but what I think does not matter. What matters is what Habib the Arab plumber is thinking and Iran is loosing the hearts and minds battle very quickly in the Middle East.

The Persian Gulf is the Persian Gulf. Iran is not some carved up newly formed creation. That I also agree with you. But that is not the issue. I will give you examples of what stokes the fires of the Sunni-Shia divide as we go along.

[AzariLoveIran]

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C'mon Azari.

We both know that this IS about Sunni and Shia.

We both know it.

No body inthe Arab world wants anything to do with Iran anymore.

You guys should have cut Asad loose if you wanted the Arab masses to follow but the fig leaf has fallen and as you have said before, the masses are not sleeping anymore.

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No, Hans, no

Neither I, nor you, believe this about Sunni and Shia

but

what you and I know,

is

this about Iranians and Arab (speakers)

notion, this about Ali (Shia) or Omar (Sunni) either naive or malicious

that notion, it's a Shia-Sunni struggle, is nurtured by west, and, is a treason to Arab world

down the road, in 2 or 3 generation, new ME generation, will not even know who Omar or Ali was, similar to in west the new generation doesn't know anything about those christian saints etc

Arab world's competition with Iran, who will dominate the "New ME", will not be Sunni or Shia domination .. the domination will be in science, literature, humanity, culture and and and

Shia itself, as Sunni too, is outdated and must be "rewritten" .. those Sheiks and Sultans and Kings and their savants do not have the civilizational and cultural and many other predicates for "rewriting" the "NEW ISLAM" .. "New Islam" must intellectually and philosophical cater in dept to the new generation, it must stick for the next 1000 yrs .. only Iran has that capacity

Arab (speaking) wold is now subservient to Western colonial powers .. Arab mass can not get western colonial shackles off without Iranian help .. west knows this .. and that is why west playing Arab street sentiment against Iran .. without Iran, Arab mass has no hope to come out of western shackles

Issue not Shia-Sunni what bothers you .. issue Arab-Iran .. unfortunately

Issue not Assad a democrat and liberal man .. he far from it

issue whether Assad better, or those Wahhabi-Salafi Saudi Qatari and and and

The uprising against Assad is not by liberal democracy loving Syrians and the Christians and and and

A war is started between Western proxy (Wahhabi Salafi Qatari + probably Pakistan, etc) .. and Russia+Iran+China+ (probably India etc)

things will get out of control and could the end of KSA and Persian Golf Sheiks

and

Hans

Arabs do not call Persian Golf, Persian Golf

is this also a Shia Sunni issue ? ?



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I want to beleive you Azari because I agree with your thoughts but little hints on the ground say otherwise.

And no need to tell me about the shieks. We share the same sentiment. My personal opinion is that they are Islam's greatest enemy but what I think does not matter. What matters is what Habib the Arab plumber is thinking and Iran is loosing the hearts and minds battle very quickly in the Middle East.

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Look, Hans

first thing first

If Arab (speaking) mass want to change things ..

if so

what should be # 1 priority .. action to be taken first

to overthrow Assad .. and .. replace him with Saudi and Qatar and Dubai and UAE wahhabi/Sallafi ? ?

or

to overthrow Saudi & Qatar & UAE and and Sheiks .. and .. replace them with secular Arab patriots (even dictators) (but not "in-closet" CIA creation like Saddam) ? ?

forget Iran

what is best for Arab mass ? ?

Arab mass needs much more Iran than Iran needs Arab mass

Iran already fully sovereign and powerful country in all respects ..

and

Iranians strategic dept extends into central Asia and KavKaz (and not to Arabia, to south)

Arab mass siding with Iran would be "icing on the cake" for Iran

not so for "Arab mass"

West has a "headlock" on Arabs .. all strategic positions are occupied by Arab traitors, western cronies .. like all those Kings and princes and fake Muslims

Any Arab ruler daring to freelance .. like Qaddafi .. he fucked by west, replaced with a "new color" (new color in fashion is "Muslim", with a dark spot on forehead ) western agent .. look Libya and (probably) Egypt

In Egypt, Mohamed Mustafa ElBaradei, the Noble Winner is sidelined for presidency .. but .. ex Mubarak intelligence chief or Mubarak VP or CIA groomed Muslim Brotherhood are the front runners .. all paid and financed by Saud and Qatar oil money

well

all Iran can do for Arab mass is "enlightenment" .. the rest is your job

re "reformation" of Islam .. THE NEW ISLAM

IMVVHO, the New Islam will be neither Sunni nor Shia .. though, as (Safavi, Iranian) Shia only 500 yrs old, therefore more progressive, but Shia too not satisfying the new and generation to come next 1000 yrs, and Sunni frozen 1400 years ago.

in that sense

NEW ISLAM will be something NEW .. will keep essence of Islam, but, explain, adapt those thinking to new time .. that can only be done philosophically, spiritually, only Iran has the capacity for such transformation.

Arabia, Saudi, know this .. that is why they want to nailed down, freez, over-run, the whole thing with wahhabi-Salafi rubbish, to mud the waters, for decades and centuries .. if they succeed, Arab mass will pay, Arab mass would stay behind in progress, science, technology and and and


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[Hans Bulvai]

For most of what you said, I agree.
For the NEW ISLAM part, I won't hold my breath. Only because I don't think that humanity as a whole has 'progressed' much in the last 2000 years.

And, CIA creations don't get hung by occupation-installed, Iranian-allied governments. Or shot in the head by 'Freedom Fighters' while the cameras are rolling.
They get flown out to Saudi Arabia or are given designer sunglasses to wear during kangaroo trials.
Fact is, Saddam still today, is considered and regarded through out much of the Arab world as a hero. As I have said before, his picture still hangs in coffee shops and taxis from Cairo to beirut. Come to think of it, no one else besides him dared to kick some sheik ass and had he continued, he was gonna roll on right through to the palaces of the Sauds. You should love him.

C'mon Azari, you said so yourself; Khoumieni under that turban was stamped "Made in England". Making deals with Chaney and co. to keep American hostages long enough to force Carter out because the 'Republicans' were gonna be friendlier to the mad mullahs. We saw where that got the Middle East. 8 years fighting to a stand still with millions dead and gone. No Azari, Saddam was not a CIA creation. Had he been as bad as the propaganda machine churns out, he would have been swept away by the, now, defunct 'Arab Spring'.

[AzariLoveIran]

For most of what you said, I agree.

For the NEW ISLAM part, I won't hold my breath. Only because I don't think that humanity as a whole has 'progressed' much in the last 2000 years.

And, CIA creations don't get hung by occupation-installed, Iranian-allied governments. Or shot in the head by 'Freedom Fighters' while the cameras are rolling.

They get flown out to Saudi Arabia or are given designer sunglasses to wear during kangaroo trials.
Fact is, Saddam still today, is considered and regarded through out much of the Arab world as a hero. As I have said before, his picture still hangs in coffee shops and taxis from Cairo to beirut. Come to think of it, no one else besides him dared to kick some sheik ass and had he continued, he was gonna roll on right through to the palaces of the Sauds. You should love him.

C'mon Azari, you said so yourself; Khoumieni under that turban was stamped "Made in England". Making deals with Chaney and co. to keep American hostages long enough to force Carter out because the 'Republicans' were gonna be friendlier to the mad mullahs. We saw where that got the Middle East. 8 years fighting to a stand still with millions dead and gone. No Azari, Saddam was not a CIA creation. Had he been as bad as the propaganda machine churns out, he would have been swept away by the, now, defunct 'Arab Spring'.


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Hans ,


First , pls watch this .. interesting chronicle of Saddam life



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In Middle East , all those in power, came to power with American (CIA) hand .. there is no escape to this .. all of them, Including Shah .. AND .. Khomeini

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Saddam was no exception .. CIA helped him to power to counter the communist .. and .. he kept the Kurd and Shia suppressed .. CIA wanted Kurd fucked because of Turkey (Nato) and Shia fucked because Saudi wanted so (Oil provinces of Saudi are all Shia territory)

problem arises, Hans, when those cronies starts " freelancing " .. or .. they become obsolete (no mileage left in them, they become counter productive) .. either they go peacefully or they are hanged (Saddam) or shot (Qaddafi) or have heart attack (Mubarak)


Shah was staring to be his own man .. he would not renew the Oil contracts with west and and .. so , he had to go

CIA helped Khomeini take over .. but , the mad mullahs double crossed America/West

Saddam started freelancing .. but .. he could not pull it through like mad mullahs did


If Saddam intention was to drive West out of ME .. if so .. mistake Saddam made, was, choosing Arab-Nationalism platform.

there is no Arab nationalism because neither Syrians nor Egyptians nor Lebanese nor Algerian nor Libyan nor Moroccan nor Tunisian and and and are and feel Arab

Saddam should have chosen Islam as platform .. if so .. 1.7 billion people would be included

That is what Iran did .. and that is why Iran so dangerous for west

Iran's constituency are 1.7 billion Muslims

Had Saddam, when Khomeini took power, instead of attacking Iran, had he shook hand with Khomeini, if so, there would not be a single western military in all ME and Zionist would have left home (to Brooklyn) long ago

but

instead

Saddam fell into western trap .. Saudi (and Kuwaiti) fooled him, encouraged him (on behalf of CIA) to attack Iran

Iran is now 1000 times stronger than B4, and, Shia majority now rule Iraq

in that sense, Hans, Saddam was an durian

Arabs speaking folks should 4get Arab-Nationalism .. no critical mass

Only Islam platform achieves the "critical mass"

West knows this

that is why West trying to split Islam, Muslims .. Shia-Sunni




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[Hans Bulvai]

C'mon Azari, HIs picture is in every coffee shop from Cairo to Beirut to Amman and even in Kuwait.There are many more like the below from all over the world...
The rest of the caption reads "The leader of the Muslim World"

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