US-Russian Proxy war in Syria coming

[AzariLoveIran]

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U.S.-Russia dispute over Syria grows louder


if so

Fallout from a Syria war would engulf Israel : Larijani


Could engulf all ME , Turkey, Iran, Israel, Saudi .. India, China , Pakistan





well folks



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[Demon of Undoing]

I'm expecting a joint Greco/Syrian pile of feces to hit the revolving oscillator right about September, when it gets real hot.

Get your popcorn and rifle ammo early!

[Azrael]

Neither Russia nor the U.S. would be willing to fight a war against each other over Syria. They didn't even fight over Iraq, which has many times more oil.

[Enki]

I'm expecting a joint Greco/Syrian pile of feces to hit the revolving oscillator right about September, when it gets real hot.

Get your popcorn and rifle ammo early!

There are a number of us who are ready for Occupy to take back up soon. September will be the one year anniversary.

[Simple Minded]

Neither Russia nor the U.S. would be willing to fight a war against each other over Syria. They didn't even fight over Iraq, which has many times more oil.

I agree, but might not be a bad test ground for some prototype drones..... or to get rid of some old ordinance....

[AzariLoveIran]

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Neither Russia nor the U.S. would be willing to fight a war against each other over Syria.

They didn't even fight over Iraq, which has many times more oil.

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West, America (and NATO)

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already in full fledged war with China and Russia

wars between nuclear powers will not be fought directly .. face2face

each has nuclear power .. so .. nobody can attack the other one directly

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wars between nuclear powers are fought in the form that one attack the other sides "vital interest"

Say Russia destabilizes Saudi Arabia and Qatar and Kuwait and and and

how ?

Iran will do it on behalf of Russia and China

If Iran di-stabilizes western lifeline .. and Iran protected by Russia and China .. if so .. West is between a rock and a hard place

Syria is Russian (and Iranian) "vital interest" .. if West fucks around with Syria, Iran will disestablish where west would be hurt .. Caucasus, Baku, Afghanistan, Bahrain, all Sheiks are fair game, Egypt, Lebanon and and and .. leading to, you guessed it, Zionist camp, Israel .. Israel, more and less, is already Di-ligitimized in the view of 7/8 of world population

well

war between Russia-China and west is in full progress .. already started

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most probably

west will lose

how will west lose ?

the outcome will be economic

west now controls, arbiters, world natural resources .. Oil, gas, copper, iron ore etc etc .. Middle East, Africa, South America, central Asia, KavKaz South East Asia, Australia .. same as Brits did 1900

when all said and done, when dust settles

west will have lost most of those controls over world natural resources .. same as British did and they now a nobody

that is what is going on .. all explained here



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[AzariLoveIran]

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‘EU has no right to inspect Syria-bound Russian transport’

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"Only aircraft and ships of the European Union are subject to this requirement,”

“The EU has no international legal right to inspect aircraft and ships belonging to countries that are not its members, including Russia."

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[Enki]

I'm expecting a joint Greco/Syrian pile of feces to hit the revolving oscillator right about September, when it gets real hot.

Get your popcorn and rifle ammo early!

I am pretty convinced that it's near World War III time. I think around 2015 will be when the seriousness hits.

[Juggernaut Nihilism]

Not likely. Or, if it is, it will be with the US providing weapons and air cover to rebels while Russia tries to provide supply the Assad regime. Very unlikely that any US boots are going anywhere near the ground in Syria.

Az, there is another point you are missing when you compare the possibility of a US/Iran war with Vietnam. In Vietnam, the United States was under specific direction to defend south Vietnam, but not to invade the north for fear of drawing the Chinese or the Russians directly into the war. Taking such a defensive posture and hoping to win through attrition was doomed from the start. The US is good at attacking, which is what it would be doing in a war with Iran. It would not be sitting somewhere defending territory; it would simply lay waste to Iran's infrastructure and military.

Even in Iraq and Afghanistan, there were very few US casualties in the attack phase. Casualties occurred once the US settled in and was defending territory. It is unlikely that the US would ever be doing that in a war with Iran. Our taste for nation building has likely been put off by our recent tummy ache, for at least a little while. Perhaps the Iranian regime would survive US bombardment, maybe you're right. But even then, you'd be left with an Iran with a few hundred thousand fewer people, no military, very little remaining infrastructure, and you would have accomplished nothing. You would have cost the US nothing but a few hundred billion dollars. Why do you seem so excited about this? Because you think the Arabs and Turks are going to unite behind a bunch of Pomegranates? You don't seriously believe that...?

[Juggernaut Nihilism]

I'm expecting a joint Greco/Syrian pile of feces to hit the revolving oscillator right about September, when it gets real hot.

Get your popcorn and rifle ammo early!

There are a number of us who are ready for Occupy to take back up soon. September will be the one year anniversary.

Hope it's not the same people who didn't show up in May.

[AzariLoveIran]

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Not likely. Or, if it is, it will be with the US providing weapons and air cover to rebels while Russia tries to provide supply the Assad regime. Very unlikely that any US boots are going anywhere near the ground in Syria.

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bombing, without boot on the ground, does not win wars .. In Syria, seems, majority is behind the secular government .. that majority is SECULAR .. things will not be so simple and will drag on

if so

Saudi Arabia will be next to fall into disorder, same turmoil, bombing could happen in Saudi cities and and .. Qatar and UAE and Kuwait might have same destiny

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Az, there is another point you are missing when you compare the possibility of a US/Iran war with Vietnam. In Vietnam, the United States was under specific direction to defend south Vietnam, but not to invade the north for fear of drawing the Chinese or the Russians directly into the war. Taking such a defensive posture and hoping to win through attrition was doomed from the start. The US is good at attacking, which is what it would be doing in a war with Iran. It would not be sitting somewhere defending territory; it would simply lay waste to Iran's infrastructure and military.

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thanks for mentioning this subject .. am sure American generals know what I am going to explain, but good idea if they read this too

Look, JN , unless you thinking Iranian military planners and leader durian, you should know they have studied American tactics and war strategies in Iraq, Afghanistan , you will start the war, Iranian will decide how it will continue .. and .. applied counter tactics

They know exactly what you are going to do and have prepared themselves with effective counter measure .. maybe million of missiles of all sorts, in silos, in mountain top and valley, in caves, on boats, in homes, all sizes, shoulder fired, see skimming 10 foot over water flying (you remember hitting that Israel boat 25 mile offshore Lebanese coast mid night ?) and and and .. Iran knows exactly what you are going to do, but you don't know what Iran going to do


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This video is not meant to bring U.S down or take Iran up; it has been uploaded so you will become more familiarized with the facts and realizes that this war will not be a walk in the park. So let's stop it before it ever starts.

Iran - Brigadier General Abdolrahim Mousavi speaks about Iranian defence strategies

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Iran has armed millions (General talks of 5 million) militia with all king of stuff

now , watch this

In Iran war, strategically, America would be 100 times worst shape than in Vietnam

America must defend Saudi (oil installations), Qatar, Kuwait, UEA, Jordan + Turkish American installation, Azerbaijan Oil, Iraqi Oil, all those oil platforms in Persian Golf and and and .. add to this Afghanistan

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Iran might have hidden military stuff and allied with sections in Pakistan or or or .. can you bomb Pakistan like you bombed Cambodia or Laos

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In that Space, America is in mid of population who are American enemy, the population hates America

if Iran attacked, immediately, American interest will be attacked from many directions .. not only from Iran .. maybe even from Pakistan or Turkey or Iraq or Oman and and and

if so,

America must move out of Persian Golf .. doing so, Arab kings and Amirs will disappear

The war will immediately engulf Caucasus, Russia will overrun Georgia (and American special units there) and Iranian special agents (from Tabriz) together with Azeri locals being pissed off of the corrupt Alieve will take care of Baku

within a week American to the eyeball into lavender .. 18 million barrel of Oil a day stopped

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can America wage war against all that ? ? ?

NO

unless uses "usable nuclear" stuff ..

if so,

Iran will immediately exit nuclear treaty , and test the bomb within 3 months .. all components produced and tested , Iran already ready to go

and now you go figure

U C ?

America, strategically, in much worst & vulnerable situation than you were in Vietnam

one other point

Vietnam loss was only a loss of prestige for America .. no real military, or economic, or loss of world-leadership consequences

not so in Iran

If America throws all that space into war, 18 m b/d oil output endanger, all Arab crony on the flight, Caucasus in turmoil, central Asia chasing out American basis, Turkey in revolt and and and

Europe, Japan, China , India thrown into economic disaster .. they will say to America, what the f*ck you doin, you no more leader of free world, step aside .. already happening

that is what happened with Churchill and Brits .. after the war, Brits told to Churchill, you lost our colonies (and that sweet life) and did not reelect him .. British Pound lost world currency status .. same thing will happen if war with Iran starts .. probably Chinese currency will become world currency

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Even in Iraq and Afghanistan, there were very few US casualties in the attack phase. Casualties occurred once the US settled in and was defending territory. It is unlikely that the US would ever be doing that in a war with Iran. Our taste for nation building has likely been put off by our recent tummy ache, for at least a little while. Perhaps the Iranian regime would survive US bombardment, maybe you're right. But even then, you'd be left with an Iran with a few hundred thousand fewer people, no military, very little remaining infrastructure, and you would have accomplished nothing. You would have cost the US nothing but a few hundred billion dollars. Why do you seem so excited about this? Because you think the Arabs and Turks are going to unite behind a bunch of Pomegranates? You don't seriously believe that ... ?

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Thinking this a war between Iran and America, same as thinking Vietnam war was a war between communism and capitalism

All Middle Eastern nations, peoples .. central Asia, KavKaz, Arabia, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, north Africa, Turkey, Africa, South America and and and

all these people are fighting against western resource colonialism

this not Islam/Christian fight, neither Iran America fight

this same as Mao's fight against (west) Brits forcing Opium on Chinese .. an anti colonial fight

in that sense

Iranians, Turks, Arabs, Kavkaz, central Asia and and and .. all united

that is why Iran is so dangerous for west ..

Iran spelling loud what others just murmur

Azari saying loud what some on this board just mumble .. Rhubarb, you listening ?


Brzezinski to Newsmax : War With Iran Could Last Years, Devastate Global Economy

Also watch the inbeded video Brzezinski talking

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Former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski warns Newsmax.TV that a confrontation with Iran would be disastrous for the United States, lasting for years and possibly devastating America's economy.

“A war in the Middle East, in the present context, may last for years,” Brzezinski, who served in the Carter White House, tells Newsmax in an exclusive interview. “And the economic consequences of it are going to be devastating for the average American.

“High inflation. Instability. Insecurity. Probably significant isolation for the United States in the world scene,” Brzezinski says. “Can you name me any significant country that’s going to be in that war together on our side?

“That’s something no one can afford to ignore,” Brzezinski adds.

Brzezinski's warning comes as Iran apparently is ramping up tensions in the region. On Wednesday, a bus carrying Israeli youth exploded in a Bulgarian resort, killing at least six people and wounding 27, police and hospital officials said. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called it "an Iranian terror attack" and promised a tough response.

Syria, meanwhile, a close ally of Iran's, appears on the brink of collapse as fighting engulfs Damascus. On Monday, a bomb killed the chief of its security operations — a devastating strike that indicates a serious weakening in the security around President Bashar al-Assad's regime.

As the U.S. fortifies its presence in the Persian Gulf in preparation for a possible showdown with Tehran over its nuclear arsenal and its threats to close the Strait of Hormuz, Brzezinski paints a frightening picture of how the U.S. would be affected by yet another war in the Middle East.

“Rushing to war is not a wise course of action,” he says. “You can always start a war, and you know pretty much what happens when you start it. But you don’t know how long it will last, what its consequences will be – and they will be certainly very costly for the United States.”

Iran recently renewed its threats to close the Strait of Hormuz unless sanctions against it were revoked. Tehran has repeatedly threatened to close the vital oil-shipping channel, through which 40 percent of the world’s seaborne oil exports travel, in retaliation for sanctions placed on its oil exports by Western nations.

“We would open it by force — and we have the power to do it, and I’m fairly confident we would do it,” says Brzezinski, who now is Robert Osgood Professor of American Foreign Policy at the School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University in Washington, D.C.. His latest book, released in January, is Strategic Vision: America and the Crisis of Global Power.

“But let’s not be simple-minded about it. We can open it up, but you can be absolutely certain that the costs of oil will skyrocket because it will still be a dangerous passage.

“In effect, the American taxpayer should be ready to pay $5 to $10 a gallon for the pleasure of having a war in the Strait of Hormuz,” Brzezinski explains. “This is another reason why it’s a wise course of action to be prudent and patient. Time’s on our side.”

He concurs with Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak that Iran probably will not have a nuclear weapon for “at least three years or so” — but, regardless, a Tehran with such arsenals is a major game-changer in the region.

“I think some concern is justified, but hysteria and exaggeration are not. Certainly, a nuclear-armed Iran introduces a whole new destabilizing reality into the Middle East.

“On the other hand, several years are several years. A lot can change in several years, including the regime which, if there is no confrontation with the West, is likely to be much more vulnerable to internal pressures for change.

“So we have to take this into account and not rush to war,” he says.

While many world leaders express concerns privately that Iran could make pre-emptive strikes against Israel and the U.S., Brzezinski said the chances of that, right now, are “close to zero.”

“First, their delivery systems are very inefficient — and probably most of them vulnerable to elimination in the course of any attack. And, secondly, one thing you can say about the Iranian regime, it’s not very attractive.”

Then, in a suggestive nod at Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Brzezinski adds: “It shoots its mouth off. It says extreme things, which are actually costly to Iran, but it’s not suicidal.”

Diplomacy is clearly the best weapon of choice now, Brzezinski says.

“A great deal depends on how accommodating the Iranians are in the negotiations — but a great deal also depends on how intelligent we are in the negotiations,” he says. “If the negotiations are designed to humiliate Iran and to put it in some sort of separate box, confining it to a status totally different from all the other signatories of the nonproliferation treaty, then we probably will not get an agreement.”

And he says he would urge President Barack Obama to continue down this road.

“I will advise him to stay on course. Not to be intimidated. Not to be rushed. Time is on our side.

“We don’t have to reach an agreement by some finite date,” Brzezinski adds. “We can take a few months. That’s better than going to war.”

Brzezinski also says in his exclusive Newsmax interview:

- Any international response to Iran would, essentially, fall to the United States. “Let’s not kid ourselves. When people talk about taking on Iran by force, they really mean the United States.”

- As U.S. involvement in Iraq nears its 10th year, Brzezinski still opposes it. “We have now an Iraq which is much more vulnerable to Iranian pressure. Saddam Hussein was an odious dictator, but he was also a very effective opponent of Iran. He was also a very effective opponent of al-Qaida. We now have an Iraq that’s unstable.”

- Despite the “War on Terror,” al-Qaida remains a world threat: “We have managed to decimate its leadership. We have deprived it of an open and secure base, which it had in Afghanistan. We have fragmented it. But at the same time, it is still a dangerous and painful reality that segments of al-Qaida, cells of al-Qaida now operate in different parts of the world.”

- The United States, and other countries, remain vulnerable to a terrorist attack. “We have had nine years or more, 10 years since 9/11. Not one significant terrorist act in the United States. We have had terrorist acts in Great Britain. We have had it in other parts of the world — Spain, certainly the Middle East — not in the United States.”

- The United States must take another approach in Syria, rather than demanding that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad step down to end the bloodshed there. “Let’s stop sort of waving the sword and making these threats unless we’re prepared to deliver. I don’t approve of the notion that we should be announcing who should step down from the position of a head of a state unless we are seriously prepared to remove that person. But if we are not, if we are being prudent and careful, then let’s also be careful with how we talk.”

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[Juggernaut Nihilism]

So your plan for Iran is to start shooting missiles at every other country in the middle east? Good luck with that. Let me know how it works out.

[AzariLoveIran]

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So your plan for Iran is to start shooting missiles at every other country in the middle east ? Good luck with that. Let me know how it works out.

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Have no plan for anything, not involved in that

just saying what will happen if Iran is attacked by anyone

Iran saying , if America hits Iran, Iran will hit back all American vital interest in reach .. loud and clear

how does it works ? ?

well

best way finding out how it does work, is, to attack Iran .. go ahead

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Brig. Gen. Amir Ali Hajizadeh, the commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) Aerospace Force, told reporters the U.S. has 35 bases around Iran and all are "within the reach of our missiles" and could be hit "in the early minutes after an attack,"

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JN, did you listen to Brzezinski ? ? ? .. he saying what I sayin



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[Juggernaut Nihilism]

So the US has bases in range of Iran's (mostly) shitty missiles. So what? Any US attack will be preceded by months of moving important equipment and personnel off those bases and, in any case, Iran will be hitting outlying US outposts while the US will be hitting Iran's city's, power grids, water infrastructure, manufacturing capability, people... this is an uneven trade-off if you're Iran. Even if Iran has its best-case scenario and outlasts the US's political will to continue the fight, the end result under any circumstances is an Iran that is utterly devastated, with no remaining infrastructure, no air force, no navy, no armor, no air defense, and with vast swaths of its territory in utter ruins. It will be weaker than it was going in, and more vulnerable to its many enemies in the Middle East. And let's say you sink a carrier (not going to happen)... in the end, Tehran will still be in ruins, while people in New York will not even know there is a war going on unless they happen to watch CNN.

[AzariLoveIran]

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JN ,

am sure you know, America is broke

you really think Chinese would finance America's war against Iran ? ? like if Russians & Chinese would have paid for American Vietnam war

Wars cost money, which America does not have

So, can you please explain who is going to pay for America's war with Iran and and and next 20 years ? ?

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put into account in the process Chinese economy would be ruined by 18 m b/d oil cut

China already veto Syrian UN vote

if next morning (or for a month), China does not participate in US Treasury bill auction, US dollar will drop 30% .. if so, who is going to pay your salary ? ? American military only as strong as American economy .. AND ? ? .. in reality, US treasury borrowing from China to pay your salary

The significance of American loss of Vietnam war was not the military loss .. the significance was NIXON had to abandon Gold-Dollar parity due to cost of Vietnam war .. America wanted Guns & butter .. that is when America started the downhill .. America was and still is living with other people's money .. another costly war (for next 20 years) and America is done as USSR was done (FYI, Iran does not have any foreign debt, ZERO)

Iran does not want a bankrupt, weak America .. Iran wants a strong and friend America

Why ?

Because to build the NEW Middle East, Iran needs a strong America

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So the US has bases in range of Iran's (mostly) shitty missiles. So what? Any US attack will be preceded by months of moving important equipment and personnel off those bases and, in any case, Iran will be hitting outlying US outposts while the US will be hitting Iran's city's, power grids, water infrastructure, manufacturing capability, people... this is an uneven trade-off if you're Iran. Even if Iran has its best-case scenario and outlasts the US's political will to continue the fight, the end result under any circumstances is an Iran that is utterly devastated, with no remaining infrastructure, no air force, no navy, no armor, no air defense, and with vast swaths of its territory in utter ruins. It will be weaker than it was going in, and more vulnerable to its many enemies in the Middle East. And let's say you sink a carrier (not going to happen)... in the end, Tehran will still be in ruins, while people in New York will not even know there is a war going on unless they happen to watch CNN.

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You going into detail .. Azari just an armchair observer, no military strategist

but

Read in papers, Iranian said, everything will be paid in kind .. pain level for you guys will be
adjusted to Iranian pain .. already happening

notion sanctioned Iran in misery, but, our beloved America indulging in milk & honey, just to fool (American) Joe

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I have just returned from my second visit to Iran, exactly a year after my first visit which had inspired me to write my memoirs . .

News is just as bad where I currently live in a small mining town in southwestern New Mexico, known also as a humble artists' colony that attracts some tourists when the weather allows. Silver City businesses are not doing well and many residents are on welfare or receiving unemployment benefits. Even the migrant workers who are willing to settle for much less than the minimum wage are not able to find work. This summer has been exceptionally hot and dry, and the endemic economic malaise has not spared this neck of the dried-up woods. But, all said, life's good and folks have come to terms with the fact that grass is really not any greener elsewhere, either.

On occasion, as many occasions as the sleepy town's organizations could conjure up, some sort of celebratory event is scheduled. Noisy Harleys with tricked pipes, some marching bands and a few farm tractors or a truck or two pulling a small trailer full of kids waving flags, roll down a quarter-mile-long main drag downtown, as people line up along the parade, breaking the monotony of life in a small town, at least for a couple of hours. Another local pastime, believe it or not, is spending a few hours on a Sunday browsing through the air-conditioned aisles of the local Wal-Mart and letting their eyes feast on the goodies most of them cannot afford to buy! This is here in rural America.

There is another mining town half a world away in central Iran. With its satellite villages, Niassar is about the same population - around eight or nine-thousand - and at about the same elevation - some 6,000 feet - and situated on the boundary between mountains on one side and a dry, forbidding high desert on the other, geographically very similar to our Silver City, New Mexico.

Niassar is a farming town west of the city of Kashan, known for its wild rose farms that invite tourists from all around during the annual rose harvest and the extraction of rosewater and the highly prized rose essence. There are several chicken hatcheries in the area as well, which rounds out, along with travertine and iron mines, the main economic activities of this region.

Niassar's nearby village of Barzok has a small semi-private community college with a humble student body and a less than stellar faculty. (We also have something in a somewhat grander scale here in Silver City; it is called Western New Mexico University.)

Students, boys and girls alike, receive degrees in agricultural fields, business and economics, computer technology, and environmental studies. Once they graduate, if they decide to remain in their own area, they would have to go back to their customary chores of farming, animal husbandry or work at the mines. Yes, there is unemployment in the technical sense of the word; a graduate in environmental sciences, for example, could not find a job in that field! A graduate in business administration still has to help plough the field and tend to the sheep, feed the chickens and count the eggs, or work at the nearest bentonite or travertine quarry. It might be years before he could start his own business and set his educational background to its intended use.

I met a young woman in Niassar with a PhD in literature, with a Minor in archaeology from Kashan University of Technology, who was having a hard time finding employment in her field and, instead, was working as a freelance writer for a local newspaper. She was considering applying for a teaching job at Kashan University, training other enthusiasts in literature and archaeology, who would have little hope of finding jobs in those areas once they'd graduate! However, between her income at the newspaper and her husband's salary as an employee at the nearby iron mine, they manage quite well.

What was quite telling was the fact that I did not see anybody idling around looking for a job or going hungry, in need of clothes or shelter! In fact, most farms and industrial establishments have to resort to Afghani migrant laborers, a good portion of them undocumented, to run their operations.

The more experienced Afghani factory workers receive very good salaries, mostly under the table, and live quite comfortably, far above what they could possibly expect back in Afghanistan. They are rounded up on occasion by the authorities, only to be released after certain "negotiations" with the plant owners. They are seldom, if ever, driven back across the borders to Afghanistan. That would cost the government too much, they are actually highly in demand right here, and they'd inevitably come back, anyway. Sound familiar? It should!

In big cities like Tehran, Esfahan or Shiraz, where those outrageously high statistics usually refer to, there is, again technically speaking, runaway unemployment. Many, especially younger folks, men and women, with college degrees or otherwise good knowledge and experience in various fields, cannot find “desirable” employment. A young man, a recent university graduate with an advanced degree in environmental engineering (a major more than likely chosen by default, since he did not make the grade in a more "useful" field!), works at a “Super”, meaning a grocery store, often no bigger than a 10x12 foot space, during the day, and drives a taxi in the evening. He is technically classified as unemployed, but makes enough undocumented money, plus a meager government subsidy as an “unemployed” individual, to make the ends meet. Simply put, he is too damned busy and doesn't have the time to sit and meditate and complain about the miseries of life in the big city!

A middle-aged woman with background as an executive secretary in an engineering and construction firm that had to close recently, now works part-time as an usher at a museum, and also as an occasional babysitter for a family where both the husband and wife work as attorneys at a small law firm.

Universities and community colleges that are sprouting everywhere, some, actually a handful, matching the standards of the most highly acclaimed in the world, and some at the level of the non-accredited junior colleges here, are graduating young men and women in droves, most of whom are unable to find employment in their respective fields.

There are reasons for this dilemma. There is no question that years of economic pressure and sanctions have had a significant effect on Iran’s industrial developments. Decades of attempts by the government to promote industrial growth to reduce the dependency on the oil sector as the backbone of the nation’s economy have been hampered by these sanctions. While these industrial developments have slowed down and in some cases even halted, other areas of development have not been affected as much, and that includes the educational sector. Unfortunately, the increasing budgetary limitations Iran is currently facing will adversely affect this sector, as well.

We, therefore, see increasing numbers of high school and college graduates facing decreasing job openings in their fields of interest. Lack of “desirable” job opportunities is not the same as a lack of jobs or sources of income. Delivering pizza riding a 250 CC motorcycle, or repairing scratches on a car, is a job that generates income, even if the person has a degree in city planning! How about moving to a provincial town and working alongside, or replacing, an undocumented Afghani refugee in a stone-cutting factory, perhaps in Mahallat or Delijan? When I lived in Southern California, there wasn't a week that some Mexican or Guatemalan who could barely speak English didn’t ring the doorbell asking if I had work. I didn't see any Afghani or native Iranian begging for work where I traveled.

Are the Iranian people forced to work harder and longer hours to cope with the rising costs of living? Of course they are. Are they happy about that? Of course not. Do they have to cope with less than what they had expected, watch their spending and economize? Yes they have, and so do many of us here in the land of milk and honey. But are they reaching the end of their endurance and begging for mercy? Not in this lifetime, baby!

Iran is not India or Bangladesh. You will not find sickly, emaciated and hungry Iranians in Tehran or in other towns or villages wallowing in dirt and grime and hoping for the sky to open and food to drop into their mouths: No, you won’t! You may call it endurance, stubbornness, perseverance, adaptability and resilience, or simply, pride. As Jesus, quoting an even older proverb, said (Matthew 4:4), man does not live on bread alone. There are people in this world for whom pride, honor, integrity, identity and faith outrank a full stomach. Tell that to an academic economist, who does not understand that human passion, emotion and psychology cannot be reduced to numbers and bar graphs.

This nation has suffered a lot from internal policies and problems, and external pressures that include internationally illegal trade restrictions, even terror and barbarism, and continues to survive against all odds. Economic factors, sanctions, inflation figures and diminishing currency values against the almighty dollar do hurt the nation; there is no denying that. But if all this is aimed at bringing the nation to its knees, I for one didn't see any sign of that. Remember, eight years of war of attrition with Saddam's Iraq didn't do what the pressures from the West, a bee sting compared to a tiger's bite, is supposed to accomplish.

One piece of advice for those who think that the Iranian nation is at the verge of collapse, among whom we regrettably find many former Iranians living abroad who are even hoping for that eventuality: Don’t hold your breaths; it ain’t going to happen. Like vultures sitting and waiting on the telegraph wires anticipating their share of the road-kill, they are hoping for some catastrophe to befall their former homeland so that they might scavenge whatever they can and fly back to their comfortable nests.

If you truly want to see what’s going on in your former country, get your tail in gear and fly back there, but don’t stay with your uppity friends and relatives in North Tehran: they are quite upset that women still have to wear scarves and that the dollars they'd like to take or send abroad cost almost 2000 tomans each these days! Visit the ordinary folks, the eighty percent who live and work in the fringes of big cities, in small towns, villages and farms. See the pride, vitality and determination in the faces of young and old, even among those whose rudimentary, supposedly below poverty level, lifestyles seem utterly unbearable for the likes of you. You might then judge for yourself if that is a desperate nation at the verge of collapse.

We are not here praising or hating the Iranian regime, rising in defense of its policies or condemning its leaders as incompetent tyrants. We are talking about the Iranian nation, some 75,000,000 citizens who call themselves Iranian, regardless of ethnic, religious or linguistic divisions among them.

And for those who hate the Islamic Republic government of Iran to such an extent that they'd rather see a fragmented and disintegrated Iran than the continuation of the status quo, two points to consider:

1- Do you hate it because you are convinced it is so terrible; or, are you convinced it is terrible because you hate it for your own personal reasons?

2- What would you do to change things for the better, not for yourself or your own private interests, but for the Iranian nation? Just remember, you might call yourself an Iranian American or an Iranian whatever, but real Iranians live half a world away in Iran. It is not all about you or what you’d prefer; so please offer your suggestions with that in mind.

Finally, while you have your thinking cap on, try to come up with some suggestions to cure America’s own mind-boggling economic problems. Maybe one of the presidential candidates would choose you as his Chief Economic Advisor this November.

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[AzariLoveIran]

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BTW, Juggernaut Nihilism .. congratulation


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[Juggernaut Nihilism]

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BTW, Juggernaut Nihilism .. congratulation


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Hey, I didn't say the United States wasn't doomed eventually. We're just not doomed tomorrow. There's no question we are deep in the throes of cultural suicide.

[Enki]

I'm expecting a joint Greco/Syrian pile of feces to hit the revolving oscillator right about September, when it gets real hot.

Get your popcorn and rifle ammo early!

There are a number of us who are ready for Occupy to take back up soon. September will be the one year anniversary.

Hope it's not the same people who didn't show up in May.

May 1 was the largest OWS day of action to date. So I'm not sure what you're talking about.

[Juggernaut Nihilism]

I'm expecting a joint Greco/Syrian pile of feces to hit the revolving oscillator right about September, when it gets real hot.

Get your popcorn and rifle ammo early!

There are a number of us who are ready for Occupy to take back up soon. September will be the one year anniversary.

Hope it's not the same people who didn't show up in May.

May 1 was the largest OWS day of action to date. So I'm not sure what you're talking about.

I was in Bahrain at the time, so I missed it. But I had seen the June Adbusters issue complaining that after the failure of the planned May rallies to achieve their goals, some things needed to be reassessed.

[AzariLoveIran]

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I was in Bahrain at the time, . .

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In Bahrain ? ? ?

hope you not supporting that British appointed shithead calling himself king terrorizing the
Shia population of Iranian province Bahrain, JN

sincerely hope so

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5th fleet does not belong there .. just go to next library and look in historical atlas Bahrain

Brits forced Iran to lease Bahrain to Brits for 99 yrs, at the end, Brits installed their own shithead and called it King


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[Juggernaut Nihilism]

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I was in Bahrain at the time, . .

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In Bahrain ? ? ?

hope you not supporting that British appointed shithead calling himself king terrorizing the
Shia population of Iranian province Bahrain, JN

sincerely hope so

and

5th fleet does not belong there .. just go to next library and look in historical atlas Bahrain

Brits forced Iran to lease Bahrain to Brits for 99 yrs, at the end, Brits installed their own shithead and called it King


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I was there for the F1 race... there were riots all over, hard to drive in some areas. The protesters weren't dangerous to me, but the tear gas was a problem.

[AzariLoveIran]

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I was in Bahrain at the time, . .

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In Bahrain ? ? ?

hope you not supporting that British appointed shithead calling himself king terrorizing the
Shia population of Iranian province Bahrain, JN

sincerely hope so

and

5th fleet does not belong there .. just go to next library and look in historical atlas Bahrain

Brits forced Iran to lease Bahrain to Brits for 99 yrs, at the end, Brits installed their own shithead and called it King


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I was there for the F1 race... there were riots all over, hard to drive in some areas. The protesters weren't dangerous to me, but the tear gas was a problem.

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We had one Formula One race in Vancouver (BC) .. I was there .. but .. like hockey , best is viewed in TV

in Vancouver Formula One, you waited and waited, suddenly they passed within seconds .. and .. nothing after that .. same with Monte Carlo Grand Prix

Am no auto fan .. my passion is plane .. am and love Bush Pilot stuff


9ZBcapxGHjE


NJ , watch how he poors coffee


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[Enki]

I'm expecting a joint Greco/Syrian pile of feces to hit the revolving oscillator right about September, when it gets real hot.

Get your popcorn and rifle ammo early!

There are a number of us who are ready for Occupy to take back up soon. September will be the one year anniversary.

Hope it's not the same people who didn't show up in May.

May 1 was the largest OWS day of action to date. So I'm not sure what you're talking about.

I was in Bahrain at the time, so I missed it. But I had seen the June Adbusters issue complaining that after the failure of the planned May rallies to achieve their goals, some things needed to be reassessed.

Adbusters have kind of been primadonna pricks about the whole thing. A lot of people in the movement don't have much respect for Adbusters in the long haul. There is a lot of, "This revolution is taking too long, and we need to get our publicity!", from that corner it seems.