The intelligence failures

[Mr. Perfect]

So there have been quite a few press reports that we had warning, here is a new one.

I think we will no longer say Bush level ineptitude, this would be Obama level ineptitude. The Ft Hood shooter, underwear bomber, now this, all cases the gov't knew about them but did nothing. Time to fire Obama.

Non Fox source

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/ ... HG20120917

A U.S. intelligence cable warned the American Embassy in Cairo of possible violence in response to Arabic-language broadcasts of clips from an anti-Muslim film, U.S. government sources said on Monday.

The cable, dispatched from Washington on September 10, the day before protests erupted, advised the embassy the broadcasts could provoke violence. It did not direct specific measures to upgrade security, said the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

However, under standard diplomatic procedures, Egyptian government officials and security forces were notified of U.S. concerns, since host governments are responsible for ensuring the security of foreign diplomatic missions on their soil, the sources said.

Copies of the cable were not sent to other U.S. outposts in the region, including the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, where violence took the life of U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans. The ties between the Benghazi violence and the crude anti-Muslim film are still unclear.

[Mr. Perfect]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09 ... consulate/

An intelligence source on the ground in Libya told Fox News that there was no demonstration outside the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi prior to last week's attack -- challenging the Obama administration's claims that the assault grew out of a "spontaneous" protest against an anti-Islam film.

"There was no protest and the attacks were not spontaneous," the source said, adding the attack "was planned and had nothing to do with the movie."

The source said the assault came with no warning at about 9:35 p.m. local time, and included fire from more than two locations. The assault included RPG's and mortar fire, the source said, and consisted of two waves.

The account that the attack started suddenly backs up claims by a purported Libyan security guard who told McClatchy Newspapers late last week that the area was quiet before the attack.

"There wasn't a single ant outside," the unnamed guard, who was being treated in a hospital, said in the interview.

These details appear to conflict with accounts from the Obama administration that the attack spawned from an out-of-control protest. The Libyan president also said Sunday that the strike was planned in advance.

U.S. officials, in response to the claim that there was no demonstration at the time of the attack, told Fox News there was a small protest earlier in the day -- but they did not dispute that there was no significant or sizeable demonstration at the time.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09 ... z26rccUlSl

[Hoosiernorm]

Why were all of the twitter feeds taken down from the embassy's twitter account before the attack. Why isn't anyone talking about what was put up before the attacks. The whole weird prophet movie looks like some sort of weird cover for what was actually said and how a non cleared message started a groundswell that caught a protest and turned that momentum into a firestorm resulting in the ambassador's death. That twitter feed is followed by a lot of folks in Egypt due to it giving information on embassy activities.


Go head keep posting the fox news stuff

Hard hitting stuff there .....

[Mr. Perfect]

I think you didn't read the fox article, which was about Libya and not Egypt.

[Hoosiernorm]

I think you didn't read the fox article, which was about Libya and not Egypt.

Yeah it's hard to read while rolling my eyes after seeing the fox internet address on the top of the page. They do a decent job of maintaining a good party line that's easily identifiable and folks agree with, but on foreign affairs even I have my limits.


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[Mr. Perfect]

Well that's interesting but it has nothing to do with multiple sources including left wing foreign papers reporting that the US had advance warning in both cases, both internally and from Libyans and Egyptians. The administration of course denying completely.

The Fox article is hardly the most damning, just the most recent. Assumed that everyone knew the older stuff, maybe they don't.

[Hoosiernorm]

Did you hear the stuff about the embassy feeds?

[Mr. Perfect]

I thought I had but perhaps i didn't if you could flesh out.

[Mr. Perfect]

Non Fox source.

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews ... =0&sp=true

A squad of U.S. troops despatched by helicopter across the Libyan desert to rescue besieged diplomats from Benghazi on Wednesday ran into a fierce overnight ambush that left a further two Americans dead, Libyan officials told Reuters.

Accounts of the mayhem at the U.S. consulate, where the ambassador and a fourth American died after a chaotic protest over a film insulting to Islam, remain patchy. But two Libyan officials, including the commander of a security force which escorted the U.S. rescuers, said a later assault on a supposedly safe refuge for the diplomats appeared professionally executed.

Miscommunication which understated the number of American survivors awaiting rescue - there were 37, nearly four times as many as the Libyan commander expected - also meant survivors and rescuers found themselves short of transport to escape this second battle, delaying an eventual dawn break for the airport.

Captain Fathi al-Obeidi, whose special operations unit was ordered by Libya's authorities to meet an eight-man force at Benghazi airport, said that after his men and the U.S. squad had found the American survivors who had evacuated the blazing consulate, the ostensibly secret location in an isolated villa came under an intense and highly accurate mortar barrage.

"I really believe that this attack was planned," he said, adding to suggestions by other Libyan officials that at least some of the hostility towards the Americans was the work of experienced combatants. "The accuracy with which the mortars hit us was too good for any regular revolutionaries."

[monster_gardener]

Thank you Very Much for the Thread, Mr. Perfect.....

If I understand this correctly...........

It's The Choom Man the Dog Eater Obama Administration Vs. Ibrahim, Libya, Fox News & yourself, Mr Perfect.....

in INSISTING that the attack on the UZ embassy in Libya was a spontaneous event rather

than the well planned attack it was/seems to be....

WEIRD... REAL WEIRD.........

And FUNNY! ........ Real FUNNY! .......... Hilarious in fact!!!!

What a dissonant line up.............

WTD is Choom trying to hide???

[noddy]

azari has already posted one conspiracy theory, that the warmongers are trying to help romney out by carter-ising obama.

for me, an event like this opens up lots of possiblity and could be driven by any agenda, from the excuse to withdraw to the excuse to scale up... a staus quo shakeup lets anything happen.

it will be a wait and see what happens next before you can attach the motives to the outcomes.

[Hoosiernorm]

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts ... ro_embassy

[Hoosiernorm]

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... pt/262264/

This is mostly the back and forth stuff afterwords

[Zack Morris]

Failing to detect a lone shooter and a guy with flammable underpants vs. a costly, multi-year plot to train 19 hijackers and execute a triple-hijacking resulting in the destruction of two of our largest skyscrapers and a chunk of the freaking Pentagon. Hmm... this is a no-brainer.

[Mr. Perfect]

No, they did detect them. That's the whole point Zack Morris. They did detect them. They were under surveillance. Not the case in 9-11.

[Enki]

Failing to detect a lone shooter and a guy with flammable underpants vs. a costly, multi-year plot to train 19 hijackers and execute a triple-hijacking resulting in the destruction of two of our largest skyscrapers and a chunk of the freaking Pentagon. Hmm... this is a no-brainer.

Especially since 9/11 WAS detected, it's just that those who detected it were not listened to.

[Mr. Perfect]

9-11 was not detected.