Thank You VERY Much for your post, Hal/Turkish Jew.TurkishJew wrote:It is important to note that even if the European and Mizrahi Jews leave Israel, there would still be the ancient Ottoman Jews of Palestine who were residing there for hundreds of years. The latter group would be close to 100,000 people, still a tiny minority if we compare to the 5,000,000 Palestinian Muslims, but still significant. Now the issue is this: what rights do these ancient Jewish Palestinians have? If equality is not given to the latter group, do they have the right to start a revolt to get equality? The current view of Palestinians (not all of them, but the overwhelming majority) is that the Jewish Palestinians will not be given equality if there is a new Palestinian country replacing Israel. Historically, minorities who were not given equality, often started a revolt. Such revolts were usually crushed, but once in a while they succeeded. So it is not so clear.Jnalum Persicum wrote: Pretty much all population of ME is Anti Zionist .. because ME people are very justice conscience .. they object to the way European and Russian took over Palestine .. depopulating entire region similar to what Stalin did in Caucasus and Central Asia and Volga region
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Another aspect of Zionism is that the original Zionists did not insist on building Israel in the Middle East. They even considered very remote places in the world. If fact, with the new invention of molten salt reactors, it will be possible to build a new Jewish country in Antarctica. In fact, within 100 years it will be possible to build artificial islands in the ocean by moving rocks from one place to another from the bottom of the sea. This would still be Zionism.
Unfortunately AIUI some Zionists did....... Remembering one Jewish plan to have a Jewish Homeland in Australia that was derailed both by the Gentiles of Oz and Zionist Rabbis..... Likewise IIRC when Fallen Angel Rafael Trujillo tried to do something right for once in his life and offered a homeland to the Jews at the Evian Conference, Zionists were opposed......Another aspect of Zionism is that the original Zionists did not insist on building Israel in the Middle East.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89vian_ConferenceThe only country willing to accept a large number of Jews was the Dominican Republic, which offered to accept up to 100,000 refugees on generous terms.[7] In 1940 an agreement was signed and Rafael Trujillo donated 26,000 acres (110 km2) of his properties for settlements. The first settlers arrived in May 1940: only about 800 settlers came to Sosúa; most later moved on to the United States.[7] The Sosua Virtual museum is a living memorial to the settlers.
Christopher Sykes, a BBC correspondent, claims the attitude of Zionist organizations was one of "hostile indifference," since any positive outcome would reduce the numbers of people wishing to settle in Palestine.[8]
Problem seems to be that while many Muslims are fixated on conquering the world for Allah, some Jews are determined to have possession of that that dangerous little postage stamp of land that they believe G_d gave them that also is a choke point in the evil lands of Islam whose inhabitants are notorious IrreDentists....
True......... Some did......... Argentina was also considered... And Uganda........They even considered very remote places in the world.
But Argentina was destined to be a homeland for Nazi refugees
While Uganda was fated to be ruled by a Muslim Madder than Most........ Idi VD Imin.....
I think Oz might have been the best: Southern Hemisphere........
RG Argentina OK too...Perhaps the Jews could have prepared a "reception" party for Nazi Refugees
Maybe given Mengele a root canal without anesthesia......
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The Brits were Bozos in the Middle East and betrayed both Jews and Arabs/Palis/Muslims but better chance that the Brits would have allowed ships to reach Oz or RG whereas with Palestine/Israel they backstabbed the Jews when they needed a refuge most.....
If fact, with the new invention of molten salt reactors, it will be possible to build a new Jewish country in Antarctica.
I too have considered Antarctica as a possible Jewish Homeland: Mars with oxygen and more water...... Worth a try...... Can do it without Orion but IMVHO too many fixated on ancestral Israel.... Jews, Christians, Muslims....... All are fixated on Jerusalem.... Long term problem is that is still on Earth..........
Recently some Uz pols are promoting paying off social security bye giving uz land in Alaska........ Remembering a timeline where a better uz gave refuge to refugee Jews by doing this...... Not sure if is practical....... Alaska is a State now though most of the land is Federal.....
A guy named Joe may have died trying to change that but as far as I read it he was a jerk........
I really doubt the Israelis will move except under nuclear threat which is what I suspect is one option for the MADhi Mad mad mullahs and Persian IrreDental AssOciation intent on a new revived Persian Shia Hegemonic Empire. ......
Might work...... Jews usually choose life but the Samson Meme has gotten quite a foothold ....
Hmmm......... Don't think we have 100 years......... Like the mountain moving ideas....... Maybe move the Temple Mount to Antarctica or Up & Out...In fact, within 100 years it will be possible to build artificial islands in the ocean by moving rocks from one place to another from the bottom of the sea. This would still be Zionism.
It is sad things ended up the way they did.... But that's the way they are........ Jews have right to be there but it is like having a nice house in a nasty neighborhood..... And would be nutso to put themselves under Muslim rule..... If anything the Muslim meme infecting the Killer Apes of the region is increasing in virulence......... Sharia is back in Style
May have terrible things done to them or have to do terrible things
Long Term best solution is the same for Jews/Israelis as for others in at least the Northern Hemisphere: Uz, Bears, Dragons, Indian Elephants, Peacocks, Japanese, Euros, ...... Get space colonies going...... Orion is probably the quickest followed by a Jacob's Ladder... Orion might also make Israel an Industrial Spaceport zone perhaps reducing the interest of crazy Christians, Muslims and Penguins in living there.....
Not going to be able to save everyone but maybe a survivable remnant........
How likely is this........ NOT VERY......... Much more likely is some sort of half assed pre-emptive conventional strike on Iran followed by mutual nuclear strikes with much of the Middle East and maybe the Northern Hemisphere uninhabitable........