monster_gardener wrote:Heracleum Persicum wrote:.
poor Kamal Pasha .. poor kamal Pasha .. am sure he turning in his grave ..
Plan is to wipe out any "secular" forces in Turkey , excuse (anf tool) is democracy
.. replacing secualrism with islamist brings democracy
what a disaster
“The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers.”
To be sure, the decision to go for Karadayi can be attributed one hundred percent to Prime Minister Recep Erdogan. Erdogan is not only asserting the supremacy of civilian rule but is putting the fear of god into the minds of the Turkish Pashas that if ever they dared again to subvert the constitutional rule, there will be a price to pay.
A big slice of Turkey’s current history is breaking loose and drifting away. Karadayi was a four star general and a legend in his time. He had just retired from the army when I took up my diplomatic assignment as ambassador in Ankara in October 1998. Those were the halcyon days of Turkey’s Pashas.
don't know to cry or laugh
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Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari.
Quite right..........
Kemal who wanted all religion to take a "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea"
But without a submarine......
Is probably rolling in his grave.........
This reminds me of what David Goldman Spengler wrote long ago far away in a different message board galaxy...........
Caliphula Has Risen from his Grave!
Or at least is trying real hard..........
Probably Best to cry.........
And prepare some stakes........
Persia & the MADhi may have a competitor for Caliph/Heap Big Undead Muslim Monarch
And Infidels may have to face off against a Caliphate Kali Fate
Even though that is a Mixed Muslim Hindu Metaphor bad enough to make one Sikh.......
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Turkic tribes (over-running and) taking over Byzantine and (Baghdad) Muslim Khalifaat, derailed the history of that space, to the worst .. key reason for disaster befalling all that space is because of Turkic tribe overrun of all that space, unfortunately .. it was, Tchingiz Khan taking over a high civilization and holding it hostage when the western world was crossing the bridge of enlightenment into modernity
(Ossama) Islam was in decline before Turkic tribes broke out of central Asia into Persia .. Persian "Islamic philosophers" were reforming, transforming "Arab Islam" to Persian Islam, meaning reforming Islam by
giving it a spiritual and philosophical DEPTH, making Islam rather a SPIRITUALITY than a primitive Arab tribal "ism"
That process was interrupted by Turkic tribes, lacking any higher civilization and culture (or ability of), taking over, AND, enforcing, "Ossama" Islam .. catering to Harems etc
The disastrous result (for that space) was : Arab Islam, Ossama Islam, was rejuvenated, strengthened .. and .. spiritual Persian Islam was weakened
The next 500 yrs, Ottoman Sultans were busy plundering other people's wealth and homes, and, use Ossma Islam as anchor of legitimization
Result was, that space, Persia , Central Asia, Damascus, Cairo, Andalusia and and and, centers of civilization and culture, were sidelined and lost the window to cross to modernity .. Ottomans fought Persian all that 500 years, considering Persia their competitors, a grave mistake .. West destroyed Ottoman empire and weakened Persia .. that lead to present situation, Arabs falling from Ottoman-sh*t-pit to "British-sh*t-pitt and all the rest
Now,
The resurrection of Iran
lead Turks thinking, they again must "counter Persia"
Same stupid mistake Turks made when they took over Byzantine .. instead of allying with Persia of Safavid .. instead of allying with Persia of today, they chose to confront Iran, like Ottoman Sultans did
a mistake, as ottomans found out
the nature of present struggle in that space is not military, it is civilization and culture ..
Arab spring is a "cultural renaissance"
Present Turkic mindset, 2B an ``European with headscarf`` rather than be part of ``superior`` civilization and culture of that space, a grave mistake that could be existential for Turks and Turkey
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