Alleged terror plot thwarted in Ontario, Quebec

[Ibrahim]

Alleged terror plot thwarted by arrests in Ontario, Quebec
RCMP to outline joint operation involving CSIS, U.S. authorities and local police at 3:30 ET
Canadian police and intelligence agencies will announce later today they have thwarted a plot to carry out a major terrorist attack, arresting two suspects in Montreal and Toronto, CBC News has learned.

Highly placed sources tell CBC News the alleged plotters have been under surveillance for more than a year in Quebec and southern Ontario.

The two men are expected to appear in court tomorrow.

The investigation was part of a cross-border operation involving Canadian law enforcement agencies, the FBI and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

The arrests Monday morning were co-ordinated and executed by a special joint task force of RCMP and CSIS anti-terrorism units, combined with provincial and municipal police forces in Ontario and Quebec.

The RCMP are expected to hold a press conference Monday afternoon to announce the arrests and provide details of the alleged plot, and give an overview of the extensive police and intelligence operation.

Law enforcement officials say the terror suspects arrested today have no connection to the two brothers accused of last week's Boston Marathon bombings.

They also say there is no tie to the former London, Ont., high school friends who joined al-Qaeda and died earlier this year while helping to stage a bloody attack on an Algerian gas refinery.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2 ... rests.html

[Mr. Perfect]

What did Canada do to provoke this.

[Simple Minded]

Guilt by association!!!

All them Canucks look just like Merikans to me.......

[Ibrahim]

Odd detail from the presser was that the bombers were allegedly connected to al Qaeda and Iran. That doesn't make a whole bunch of sense, but perhaps there are al Qaeda elements among the tiny Sunni population in Iran. Still, looks odd.

[Ibrahim]

All them Canucks look just like Merikans to me.......

Yeah, but only after our Afghan contingent finally got their desert camo.

[Doc]

Odd detail from the presser was that the bombers were allegedly connected to al Qaeda and Iran. That doesn't make a whole bunch of sense, but perhaps there are al Qaeda elements among the tiny Sunni population in Iran. Still, looks odd.

Iran has been aligned with Al Qaeda against the US in Afghanistan for years. Maybe since 2001.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013 ... id-s-cohen

Iran, al-Qaeda relationship is showing cracks, U.S. officials and analysts say
By Joby Warrick,March 12, 2013
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Iran’s expulsion of a senior al-Qaeda official appears to signal a crackdown on the terrorist group that has long been granted safe haven within its borders, U.S. officials say.

Iran’s ouster of Sulaiman Abu Ghaith, a former al-Qaeda spokesman and the son-in-law of Osama bin Laden, marked at least the third time in the past year that a prominent al-Qaeda figure has left the country after living for years in a limbo between houseguest and home detainee.

U.S. officials and terrorism experts say the tougher stance appears to reflect growing tensions between Iran’s Shiite clerics and the Sunni Muslim terrorist group, particularly over the civil war in Syria, where they are backing opposing sides.

At the same time, Western intelligence agencies see steps by Iran to preserve ties with al-Qaeda by allowing the group to use Iranian territory as a transit route to and from Afghanistan, U.S. officials and analysts say.

“We believe that Iran continues to allow al-Qaeda to operate a network that moves al-Qaeda money and fighters through Iran to support al-Qaeda activities in South Asia,” David S. Cohen, the Treasury Department’s undersecretary for terrorism and financial intelligence, said in an interview.

Highlighting the sometimes contradictory nature of the relationship, Cohen said the same transit networks send “funding and fighters to Syria,” where militant Islamists linked to al-Qaeda are battling pro-government forces supported by Iran. A group of fighters from the militant ­al-Nusra Front, which the State Department has said is linked to al-Qaeda in Iraq, is regarded as one of the most powerful anti-government forces in Syria.

Documents obtained from the bin Laden compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, have shed further light on the relationship between al-Qaeda and Iran — a relationship both sides have preserved despite deep mistrust and sharp differences over ideology and tactics.

“It is a partnership of convenience, with some really rough edges,” said Bruce Riedel, a former CIA officer and counterterrorism adviser to the Obama administration.

The relationship for years included an unacknowledged policy of granting refuge to al-Qaeda members who fled to Iran after the defeat of the Taliban government in Afghanistan in late 2001. Iran allowed several top al-Qaeda officials and associates — including one of bin Laden’s wives and several of his children — to live in eastern Iran, freely at first, then under a loose form of house arrest.

U.S. officials say the restrictions were a response to Western pressure and a useful hedge against al-Qaeda misbehavior on Iranian soil. But a decade later, Iran appears to have grown weary of its “houseguests,” analysts say.

Iranian news media on Wednesday reported that security officials had recently arrested three members of the group. The semi-official FARS news agency quoted a senior army commander as saying the arrests occurred during border security operations. No details were given.

“We have arrested three al-Qaeda members in the country’s Western border regions in recent months and handed them over to the relevant authorities,” FARS quoted Kermanshah Calvary Division Gen. Ali Hajilou as saying.

Two senior al-Qaeda figures left Iran last year, although it was unclear whether they were asked to go or departed willingly. Abu Ghaith appears to have been given no choice, according to a narrative provided by U.S. officials and supported by postings on jihadist Internet sites. The former al-Qaeda spokesman and Sunni cleric was told this year to leave Iran for his native Kuwait.

Kuwaiti officials initially declined to accept him, so he flew to Turkey, where he was detained by police and then allowed to board a flight for Kuwait on Feb. 28. During a layover in Amman, Jordan, U.S. intelligence officers arrested Abu Ghaith, who now awaits trial in New York on a variety of terrorism-related charges.

The manner in which Abu Ghaith was expelled seemed calculated to result in his capture, suggesting that Iran was signaling a shift in the relationship, said Dan Byman, a counterterrorism expert at the Brookings Institution.

“It was a big move to send him not to Pakistan but in the opposite direction,” Byman said. “What we’re seeing is a slightly more confrontational al-Qaeda policy, suggesting that Iran is becoming more uncomfortable in hosting these guys.”

The wariness appears to be mutual, as seen in communications between al-Qaeda officials in the months before the killing of bin Laden in May 2011.

“The Iranians are not to be trusted,” bin Laden wrote in a May 2010 e-mail.

At the time, Iran had decided to grant al-Qaeda’s request to allow some of bin Laden’s family members to travel to Pakistan. Yet, bin Laden feared that the Iranians might spy on his relatives or lead them into a trap.

“It is possible that they may plant chips” in their belongings in order to eavesdrop, he wrote.

Iran appears to have sought to keep its al-Qaeda guests on a tight leash, alternately granting and withholding favors to maintain dependency, U.S. officials and analysts said.

The strategy helped ensure that al-Qaeda would not attack the Iranian government, and it allowed Iran to preserve the option of working with the group to carry out attacks against Western targets in the event Iran comes under attack, analysts said.

U.S. officials see no evidence of direct Iranian support of al-
Qaeda terrorism in the United States or Western Europe. But Iran has a long history of supporting proxy groups that can strike against its enemies while insulating Iran from accountability, said Riedel, the former CIA officer.
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“You can envision a situation in which the Iranians very carefully assisted al-Qaeda in an attack on the United States, as long as the attack is seen as al-Qaeda’s, with no Iranian fingerprints,” Riedel said. “There is much that Iran could do, simply by facilitating travel.”

Iran’s willingness to allow al-Qaeda to operate critical transit routes through its territory gives Iranian leaders a chit they can collect later, according to Riedel and other current and former U.S. officials.

Al-Qaeda’s Iranian pipeline for fighters and cash has been operating for years, using a network of “facilitators” who live along the route and provide a crucial link to sources of funding and manpower in the Arab gulf countries.

In the past 18 months, the Treasury Department has slapped sanctions on seven men accused of operating the pipeline, which routes volunteer fighters and cash across Iran into Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Unlike drug-smuggling operations that occur along the same border, al-Qaeda’s trafficking in fighters and dollars bears an official stamp of approval, said Cohen, the Treasury undersecretary.

“They are operating under an agreement with the Iranian government,” Cohen said.

[Ibrahim]

Odd detail from the presser was that the bombers were allegedly connected to al Qaeda and Iran. That doesn't make a whole bunch of sense, but perhaps there are al Qaeda elements among the tiny Sunni population in Iran. Still, looks odd.

Iran has been aligned with Al Qaeda against the US in Afghanistan for years. Maybe since 2001.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013 ... id-s-cohen

Iran, al-Qaeda relationship is showing cracks, U.S. officials and analysts say
By Joby Warrick,March 12, 2013
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Iran’s expulsion of a senior al-Qaeda official appears to signal a crackdown on the terrorist group that has long been granted safe haven within its borders, U.S. officials say.

Iran’s ouster of Sulaiman Abu Ghaith, a former al-Qaeda spokesman and the son-in-law of Osama bin Laden, marked at least the third time in the past year that a prominent al-Qaeda figure has left the country after living for years in a limbo between houseguest and home detainee.

U.S. officials and terrorism experts say the tougher stance appears to reflect growing tensions between Iran’s Shiite clerics and the Sunni Muslim terrorist group, particularly over the civil war in Syria, where they are backing opposing sides.

At the same time, Western intelligence agencies see steps by Iran to preserve ties with al-Qaeda by allowing the group to use Iranian territory as a transit route to and from Afghanistan, U.S. officials and analysts say.

“We believe that Iran continues to allow al-Qaeda to operate a network that moves al-Qaeda money and fighters through Iran to support al-Qaeda activities in South Asia,” David S. Cohen, the Treasury Department’s undersecretary for terrorism and financial intelligence, said in an interview.

Highlighting the sometimes contradictory nature of the relationship, Cohen said the same transit networks send “funding and fighters to Syria,” where militant Islamists linked to al-Qaeda are battling pro-government forces supported by Iran. A group of fighters from the militant ­al-Nusra Front, which the State Department has said is linked to al-Qaeda in Iraq, is regarded as one of the most powerful anti-government forces in Syria.

Documents obtained from the bin Laden compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, have shed further light on the relationship between al-Qaeda and Iran — a relationship both sides have preserved despite deep mistrust and sharp differences over ideology and tactics.

“It is a partnership of convenience, with some really rough edges,” said Bruce Riedel, a former CIA officer and counterterrorism adviser to the Obama administration.

The relationship for years included an unacknowledged policy of granting refuge to al-Qaeda members who fled to Iran after the defeat of the Taliban government in Afghanistan in late 2001. Iran allowed several top al-Qaeda officials and associates — including one of bin Laden’s wives and several of his children — to live in eastern Iran, freely at first, then under a loose form of house arrest.

U.S. officials say the restrictions were a response to Western pressure and a useful hedge against al-Qaeda misbehavior on Iranian soil. But a decade later, Iran appears to have grown weary of its “houseguests,” analysts say.

Iranian news media on Wednesday reported that security officials had recently arrested three members of the group. The semi-official FARS news agency quoted a senior army commander as saying the arrests occurred during border security operations. No details were given.

“We have arrested three al-Qaeda members in the country’s Western border regions in recent months and handed them over to the relevant authorities,” FARS quoted Kermanshah Calvary Division Gen. Ali Hajilou as saying.

Two senior al-Qaeda figures left Iran last year, although it was unclear whether they were asked to go or departed willingly. Abu Ghaith appears to have been given no choice, according to a narrative provided by U.S. officials and supported by postings on jihadist Internet sites. The former al-Qaeda spokesman and Sunni cleric was told this year to leave Iran for his native Kuwait.

Kuwaiti officials initially declined to accept him, so he flew to Turkey, where he was detained by police and then allowed to board a flight for Kuwait on Feb. 28. During a layover in Amman, Jordan, U.S. intelligence officers arrested Abu Ghaith, who now awaits trial in New York on a variety of terrorism-related charges.

The manner in which Abu Ghaith was expelled seemed calculated to result in his capture, suggesting that Iran was signaling a shift in the relationship, said Dan Byman, a counterterrorism expert at the Brookings Institution.

“It was a big move to send him not to Pakistan but in the opposite direction,” Byman said. “What we’re seeing is a slightly more confrontational al-Qaeda policy, suggesting that Iran is becoming more uncomfortable in hosting these guys.”

The wariness appears to be mutual, as seen in communications between al-Qaeda officials in the months before the killing of bin Laden in May 2011.

“The Iranians are not to be trusted,” bin Laden wrote in a May 2010 e-mail.

At the time, Iran had decided to grant al-Qaeda’s request to allow some of bin Laden’s family members to travel to Pakistan. Yet, bin Laden feared that the Iranians might spy on his relatives or lead them into a trap.

“It is possible that they may plant chips” in their belongings in order to eavesdrop, he wrote.

Iran appears to have sought to keep its al-Qaeda guests on a tight leash, alternately granting and withholding favors to maintain dependency, U.S. officials and analysts said.

The strategy helped ensure that al-Qaeda would not attack the Iranian government, and it allowed Iran to preserve the option of working with the group to carry out attacks against Western targets in the event Iran comes under attack, analysts said.

U.S. officials see no evidence of direct Iranian support of al-
Qaeda terrorism in the United States or Western Europe. But Iran has a long history of supporting proxy groups that can strike against its enemies while insulating Iran from accountability, said Riedel, the former CIA officer.
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“You can envision a situation in which the Iranians very carefully assisted al-Qaeda in an attack on the United States, as long as the attack is seen as al-Qaeda’s, with no Iranian fingerprints,” Riedel said. “There is much that Iran could do, simply by facilitating travel.”

Iran’s willingness to allow al-Qaeda to operate critical transit routes through its territory gives Iranian leaders a chit they can collect later, according to Riedel and other current and former U.S. officials.

Al-Qaeda’s Iranian pipeline for fighters and cash has been operating for years, using a network of “facilitators” who live along the route and provide a crucial link to sources of funding and manpower in the Arab gulf countries.

In the past 18 months, the Treasury Department has slapped sanctions on seven men accused of operating the pipeline, which routes volunteer fighters and cash across Iran into Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Unlike drug-smuggling operations that occur along the same border, al-Qaeda’s trafficking in fighters and dollars bears an official stamp of approval, said Cohen, the Treasury undersecretary.

“They are operating under an agreement with the Iranian government,” Cohen said.

Allowing people to pass through to Afghanistan by ground is hardly coordinating on terrorist attacking in North America.

[Doc]

Odd detail from the presser was that the bombers were allegedly connected to al Qaeda and Iran. That doesn't make a whole bunch of sense, but perhaps there are al Qaeda elements among the tiny Sunni population in Iran. Still, looks odd.

Iran has been aligned with Al Qaeda against the US in Afghanistan for years. Maybe since 2001.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013 ... id-s-cohen

Iran, al-Qaeda relationship is showing cracks, U.S. officials and analysts say
By Joby Warrick,March 12, 2013
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Iran’s expulsion of a senior al-Qaeda official appears to signal a crackdown on the terrorist group that has long been granted safe haven within its borders, U.S. officials say.

Iran’s ouster of Sulaiman Abu Ghaith, a former al-Qaeda spokesman and the son-in-law of Osama bin Laden, marked at least the third time in the past year that a prominent al-Qaeda figure has left the country after living for years in a limbo between houseguest and home detainee.

U.S. officials and terrorism experts say the tougher stance appears to reflect growing tensions between Iran’s Shiite clerics and the Sunni Muslim terrorist group, particularly over the civil war in Syria, where they are backing opposing sides.

At the same time, Western intelligence agencies see steps by Iran to preserve ties with al-Qaeda by allowing the group to use Iranian territory as a transit route to and from Afghanistan, U.S. officials and analysts say.

“We believe that Iran continues to allow al-Qaeda to operate a network that moves al-Qaeda money and fighters through Iran to support al-Qaeda activities in South Asia,” David S. Cohen, the Treasury Department’s undersecretary for terrorism and financial intelligence, said in an interview.

Highlighting the sometimes contradictory nature of the relationship, Cohen said the same transit networks send “funding and fighters to Syria,” where militant Islamists linked to al-Qaeda are battling pro-government forces supported by Iran. A group of fighters from the militant ­al-Nusra Front, which the State Department has said is linked to al-Qaeda in Iraq, is regarded as one of the most powerful anti-government forces in Syria.

Documents obtained from the bin Laden compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, have shed further light on the relationship between al-Qaeda and Iran — a relationship both sides have preserved despite deep mistrust and sharp differences over ideology and tactics.

“It is a partnership of convenience, with some really rough edges,” said Bruce Riedel, a former CIA officer and counterterrorism adviser to the Obama administration.

The relationship for years included an unacknowledged policy of granting refuge to al-Qaeda members who fled to Iran after the defeat of the Taliban government in Afghanistan in late 2001. Iran allowed several top al-Qaeda officials and associates — including one of bin Laden’s wives and several of his children — to live in eastern Iran, freely at first, then under a loose form of house arrest.

U.S. officials say the restrictions were a response to Western pressure and a useful hedge against al-Qaeda misbehavior on Iranian soil. But a decade later, Iran appears to have grown weary of its “houseguests,” analysts say.

Iranian news media on Wednesday reported that security officials had recently arrested three members of the group. The semi-official FARS news agency quoted a senior army commander as saying the arrests occurred during border security operations. No details were given.

“We have arrested three al-Qaeda members in the country’s Western border regions in recent months and handed them over to the relevant authorities,” FARS quoted Kermanshah Calvary Division Gen. Ali Hajilou as saying.

Two senior al-Qaeda figures left Iran last year, although it was unclear whether they were asked to go or departed willingly. Abu Ghaith appears to have been given no choice, according to a narrative provided by U.S. officials and supported by postings on jihadist Internet sites. The former al-Qaeda spokesman and Sunni cleric was told this year to leave Iran for his native Kuwait.

Kuwaiti officials initially declined to accept him, so he flew to Turkey, where he was detained by police and then allowed to board a flight for Kuwait on Feb. 28. During a layover in Amman, Jordan, U.S. intelligence officers arrested Abu Ghaith, who now awaits trial in New York on a variety of terrorism-related charges.

The manner in which Abu Ghaith was expelled seemed calculated to result in his capture, suggesting that Iran was signaling a shift in the relationship, said Dan Byman, a counterterrorism expert at the Brookings Institution.

“It was a big move to send him not to Pakistan but in the opposite direction,” Byman said. “What we’re seeing is a slightly more confrontational al-Qaeda policy, suggesting that Iran is becoming more uncomfortable in hosting these guys.”

The wariness appears to be mutual, as seen in communications between al-Qaeda officials in the months before the killing of bin Laden in May 2011.

“The Iranians are not to be trusted,” bin Laden wrote in a May 2010 e-mail.

At the time, Iran had decided to grant al-Qaeda’s request to allow some of bin Laden’s family members to travel to Pakistan. Yet, bin Laden feared that the Iranians might spy on his relatives or lead them into a trap.

“It is possible that they may plant chips” in their belongings in order to eavesdrop, he wrote.

Iran appears to have sought to keep its al-Qaeda guests on a tight leash, alternately granting and withholding favors to maintain dependency, U.S. officials and analysts said.

The strategy helped ensure that al-Qaeda would not attack the Iranian government, and it allowed Iran to preserve the option of working with the group to carry out attacks against Western targets in the event Iran comes under attack, analysts said.

U.S. officials see no evidence of direct Iranian support of al-
Qaeda terrorism in the United States or Western Europe. But Iran has a long history of supporting proxy groups that can strike against its enemies while insulating Iran from accountability, said Riedel, the former CIA officer.

“You can envision a situation in which the Iranians very carefully assisted al-Qaeda in an attack on the United States, as long as the attack is seen as al-Qaeda’s, with no Iranian fingerprints,” Riedel said. “There is much that Iran could do, simply by facilitating travel.”

Iran’s willingness to allow al-Qaeda to operate critical transit routes through its territory gives Iranian leaders a chit they can collect later, according to Riedel and other current and former U.S. officials.

Al-Qaeda’s Iranian pipeline for fighters and cash has been operating for years, using a network of “facilitators” who live along the route and provide a crucial link to sources of funding and manpower in the Arab gulf countries.

In the past 18 months, the Treasury Department has slapped sanctions on seven men accused of operating the pipeline, which routes volunteer fighters and cash across Iran into Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Unlike drug-smuggling operations that occur along the same border, al-Qaeda’s trafficking in fighters and dollars bears an official stamp of approval, said Cohen, the Treasury undersecretary.

“They are operating under an agreement with the Iranian government,” Cohen said.

Allowing people to pass through to Afghanistan by ground is hardly coordinating on terrorist attacking in North America.

That, as I have now highlighted, is hardly all the article says.

[Ibrahim]

Its a given that a theocratic police state would have to officially allow activities taking place across/along their borders. Furthermore, this would be permitted to further broader strategic aims in the region. This is different than high-level cooperation, which is theologically impossible for these two groups. As I said previously, it could be some kind of AQ recruited or radical currently hiding out in Iran. Cooperation between the Iranian government and AQ to support a plot in North America isn't too likely. I assume that further details, when they are released, will clarify exactly what they meant.

[Doc]

Its a given that a theocratic police state would have to officially allow activities taking place across/along their borders. Furthermore, this would be permitted to further broader strategic aims in the region. This is different than high-level cooperation, which is theologically impossible for these two groups. As I said previously, it could be some kind of AQ recruited or radical currently hiding out in Iran. Cooperation between the Iranian government and AQ to support a plot in North America isn't too likely. I assume that further details, when they are released, will clarify exactly what they meant.

Odd detail from the presser was that the bombers were allegedly connected to al Qaeda and Iran. That doesn't make a whole bunch of sense, but perhaps there are al Qaeda elements among the tiny Sunni population in Iran. Still, looks odd.

Allowing people to pass through to Afghanistan by ground is hardly coordinating on terrorist attacking in North America.

OK if the US allowed French Quebec separatists/terrorists to pass through the US on their way to Canada that would in no way implicate the US government in enabling terrorism in Canada.

[Typhoon]

Its a given that a theocratic police state would have to officially allow activities taking place across/along their borders. Furthermore, this would be permitted to further broader strategic aims in the region. This is different than high-level cooperation, which is theologically impossible for these two groups. As I said previously, it could be some kind of AQ recruited or radical currently hiding out in Iran. Cooperation between the Iranian government and AQ to support a plot in North America isn't too likely. I assume that further details, when they are released, will clarify exactly what they meant.

Odd detail from the presser was that the bombers were allegedly connected to al Qaeda and Iran. That doesn't make a whole bunch of sense, but perhaps there are al Qaeda elements among the tiny Sunni population in Iran. Still, looks odd.

Allowing people to pass through to Afghanistan by ground is hardly coordinating on terrorist attacking in North America.

OK if the US allowed French Quebec separatists/terrorists to pass through the US on their way to Canada that would in no way implicate the US government in enabling terrorism in Canada.

A quick Google search reveals that the separatist party, the Parti Québécois, is currently in power in Québéc through democratic election,

So presumably the US does allow French Québéc separatists, politicians and other citizens, to travel through the US unimpeded.

A further quick search reveals that the last incident in Québéc that could be called terrorist was the October Crisis of 1970.

[Typhoon]

Atlantic | How Toronto's Muslim Community Uncovered the Would-Be Train Bombers

[Doc]

Its a given that a theocratic police state would have to officially allow activities taking place across/along their borders. Furthermore, this would be permitted to further broader strategic aims in the region. This is different than high-level cooperation, which is theologically impossible for these two groups. As I said previously, it could be some kind of AQ recruited or radical currently hiding out in Iran. Cooperation between the Iranian government and AQ to support a plot in North America isn't too likely. I assume that further details, when they are released, will clarify exactly what they meant.

Odd detail from the presser was that the bombers were allegedly connected to al Qaeda and Iran. That doesn't make a whole bunch of sense, but perhaps there are al Qaeda elements among the tiny Sunni population in Iran. Still, looks odd.

Allowing people to pass through to Afghanistan by ground is hardly coordinating on terrorist attacking in North America.

OK if the US allowed French Quebec separatists/terrorists to pass through the US on their way to Canada that would in no way implicate the US government in enabling terrorism in Canada.

A quick Google search reveals that the separatist party, the Parti Québécois, is currently in power in Québéc through democratic election,

So presumably the US does allow French Québéc separatists, politicians and other citizens, to travel through the US unimpeded.

A further quick search reveals that the last incident in Québéc that could be called terrorist was the October Crisis of 1970.

Understood But you know what I mean.

[Ibrahim]

Atlantic | How Toronto's Muslim Community Uncovered the Would-Be Train Bombers

Same as the previous "Toronto 18 plot." Looks like there are some benefits to this "promoting multiculturalism" thing.

[Doc]

Atlantic | How Toronto's Muslim Community Uncovered the Would-Be Train Bombers

Same as the previous "Toronto 18 plot." Looks like there are some benefits to this "promoting multiculturalism" thing.

I think that the majority of Muslims in the US have been on watch for extremism. But benefits? Given the number of terrorists that have entered the US from Canada.....

[Ibrahim]

Atlantic | How Toronto's Muslim Community Uncovered the Would-Be Train Bombers

Same as the previous "Toronto 18 plot." Looks like there are some benefits to this "promoting multiculturalism" thing.

I think that the majority of Muslims in the US have been on watch for extremism. But benefits? Given the number of terrorists that have entered the US from Canada.....

Don't understand what this response means. In Canada we foil attacks before they happen with cooperation from the community. In the US and the UK attacks happen. What's the variable? Less racism makes people more likely to cooperate with and trust the authorities and the authorities are more likely to work with and trust the community, all of which prevents attacks.

Worried about your border security? Ramp it up then.

[Simple Minded]

All them Canucks look just like Merikans to me.......

Yeah, but only after our Afghan contingent finally got their desert camo.

[Typhoon]

Its a given that a theocratic police state would have to officially allow activities taking place across/along their borders. Furthermore, this would be permitted to further broader strategic aims in the region. This is different than high-level cooperation, which is theologically impossible for these two groups. As I said previously, it could be some kind of AQ recruited or radical currently hiding out in Iran. Cooperation between the Iranian government and AQ to support a plot in North America isn't too likely. I assume that further details, when they are released, will clarify exactly what they meant.

Odd detail from the presser was that the bombers were allegedly connected to al Qaeda and Iran. That doesn't make a whole bunch of sense, but perhaps there are al Qaeda elements among the tiny Sunni population in Iran. Still, looks odd.

Allowing people to pass through to Afghanistan by ground is hardly coordinating on terrorist attacking in North America.

OK if the US allowed French Quebec separatists/terrorists to pass through the US on their way to Canada that would in no way implicate the US government in enabling terrorism in Canada.

A quick Google search reveals that the separatist party, the Parti Québécois, is currently in power in Québéc through democratic election,

So presumably the US does allow French Québéc separatists, politicians and other citizens, to travel through the US unimpeded.

A further quick search reveals that the last incident in Québéc that could be called terrorist was the October Crisis of 1970.

Understood But you know what I mean.

A terrorist under every bed, in every closet, and behind every tree.

[Typhoon]

Atlantic | How Toronto's Muslim Community Uncovered the Would-Be Train Bombers

Same as the previous "Toronto 18 plot." Looks like there are some benefits to this "promoting multiculturalism" thing.

I think that the majority of Muslims in the US have been on watch for extremism. But benefits? Given the number of terrorists that have entered the US from Canada.....

How many?

[Doc]

Atlantic | How Toronto's Muslim Community Uncovered the Would-Be Train Bombers

Same as the previous "Toronto 18 plot." Looks like there are some benefits to this "promoting multiculturalism" thing.

I think that the majority of Muslims in the US have been on watch for extremism. But benefits? Given the number of terrorists that have entered the US from Canada.....

How many?

Not how many but a good explanation of the problem pre-911:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... anada.html

Is Canada a safe haven for Terrorists?

....Let's go through the details in the case of Ahmed Ressam. He comes in through Mirabel Airport. The immigration officer notices that the picture doesn't cover the passport, and says this is clearly a fake passport. You know, when somebody tries to get into Canada with a fake passport, people would normally think that shouldn't be allowed.

I think the practice there, and in most cases where it's obvious falsification, the person would be kept to one side and questioned. Depending on the story that was told, the case might be pursued further or not. If the person concerned claimed refugee status, at that point it would be almost certain that he or she would be released into the public at large; told to submit a claim for refugee status within 30 days; and then be available for a refugee hearing, which might not take place for nine or ten months or even a year and a half because of the backlog.

So basically, if you are caught with a false document, you can simply say, "I claim refugee status because I was persecuted," or "I am in danger of persecution and the only way I can get out of my country is with a false passport." The passport, of course, might not even be of the country of origin or somewhere else, as was the case here. So there is really ... no constraint against a person using false documents. And of the 30,000 refugee claimants arriving in Canada every year, 60 percent of them arriving have either no documents or claim to have no documents or have false documents, and they all stay and they all proceed with their claim. So that it is not a barrier......

2011:

Canadian border poses bigger terror threat to U.S. than Mexico border: report
By Aliyah Shahid / DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 6:54 PM

Just 32 of the 4,000 miles - less than 1% - along the northern border have an "acceptable level" of security, according to the Government Accountability Office.
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Just 32 of the 4,000 miles - less than 1% - along the northern border have an "acceptable level" of security, according to the Government Accountability Office.

Worried about terrorists sneaking into the United States? You might want to look north.

It turns out that even as Mexico grapples with drug and gang violence, the U.S.-Canadian border poses a bigger terror risk, according to a new government report.

Just 32 of the 4,000 miles - less than 1% - along the northern border have an "acceptable level" of security, according to the Government Accountability Office report, released Tuesday.

Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) called the report "absolutely alarming" during a news conference on Capitol Hill.

He fears the northern border provides "easy passage into America by extremists, terrorists and criminals whose purpose it to harm the American people."

Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME), who released the report alongside Lieberman, said potential crossers include illegal immigrants, criminals trafficking humans and drugs, and, potentially, terrorists.

The report by the watchdog arm of Congress said federal officials can only detect illegal border crossings along 1,007 miles of the border, and blasted federal agencies for not cooperating with each other.

It also found that illegal crossings by terrorists are more likely to occur across the northern border than the southern border.

A spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security said the agency has taken steps to secure the northern border, like deploying more border patrol agents and adding better technology and infrastructure. He also said the department was working to address the GAO's findings.

Collins called the report "shocking" and said Homeland Security was distributing money to the southern border "to the detriment" of the northern border.

"It is very clear from this report that the United States remains very vulnerable," she said.

Some members of the Canadian Parliament shrugged off U.S. worries. Immigration Minister Jason Kenney told The Canadian Press that his country has worked hard to improve security along the border and that added measures would simply hamper trade and travel between the two countries.



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[Ibrahim]

I don't get what you are ranting about, Doc. Fix your border, then.

I've crossed dozens of borders and US customs are among the most lax and poorly-trained I've seen.

[Doc]

I don't get what you are ranting about, Doc. Fix your border, then.

I've crossed dozens of borders and US customs are among the most lax and poorly-trained I've seen.

I was answering CS's question as best a could without taking a bit of time I don't have to count how many terrorists have entered the US through Canada.

[anderson]

Atlantic | How Toronto's Muslim Community Uncovered the Would-Be Train Bombers

Same as the previous "Toronto 18 plot." Looks like there are some benefits to this "promoting multiculturalism" thing.

I think that the majority of Muslims in the US have been on watch for extremism. But benefits? Given the number of terrorists that have entered the US from Canada.....

How many?

Well, if you're asking how many people have entered the US from Canada and committed a terrorist act, the number of course would be ZERO.

[Typhoon]

I don't get what you are ranting about, Doc. Fix your border, then.

I've crossed dozens of borders and US customs are among the most lax and poorly-trained I've seen.

I was ansering CS's question as best a could without taking a bit of time I don't have to count how many terrorists have entered the US through Canada.

If you don't provide a count and quote hearsay, no one except the paranoid will take you claims seriously.

As far as I know, none of the perpetrators of 9/11 or other lesser actions came from/through Canada.

Also, Canada appears to have successfully stopped any 21st century terrorist actions in the planning stage, unlike the US.

One has the impression that you and others are projecting blame onto your neighbours for problems and failures that originate at home.

[Nonc Hilaire]

If The USA gains a general knowledge of poutine, our Freedom Fries industry and national integrity are at risk and the terrorists will have won! Keep the Quebecqouis Quebecquiet!