Democracy leads to Marxism.

[manolo]

Folks,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX-P4mx1FLU

Alex.

[Enki]

Marxism is Direct Democracy...so...

[Nonc Hilaire]

Makes a good point about the importance of reversing the trend towards centralized government.

[Doc]

Marxism is Direct Democracy...so...

Yeah Baby *wink* *Wink*

[noddy]

http://tony-benn.blogspot.co.uk/

sounds like the mirror version of mr p

"It is wholly wrong to blame Marx for what was done in his name , as to blame Jesus for what was done in his"

"Labour has never been a socialist party..it has some socialists in it. Just like there are some Christians in The Church of England"

who woulda thunk an utopian socialist would be an evangelical for utopian socialist outcomes, its certainly taken me by surprise.

[manolo]

http://tony-benn.blogspot.co.uk/

sounds like the mirror version of mr p

"It is wholly wrong to blame Marx for what was done in his name , as to blame Jesus for what was done in his"

"Labour has never been a socialist party..it has some socialists in it. Just like there are some Christians in The Church of England"

who woulda thunk an utopian socialist would be an evangelical for utopian socialist outcomes, its certainly taken me by surprise.

noddy,

That's funny about the Labour party and the C of E, and true!

Alex.

[Mr. Perfect]

Was Athens Marxist.

I think there are obvious reasons that the US founders eschewed Democracy in favor of Republicanism.

What does Marxism lead to.

[Nonc Hilaire]

Was Athens Marxist.

I think there are obvious reasons that the US founders eschewed Democracy in favor of Republicanism.

What does Marxism lead to.

In Athens democracy was limited to the aristocracy, who were the only people considered citizens.

[Enki]

Was Athens Marxist.

I think there are obvious reasons that the US founders eschewed Democracy in favor of Republicanism.

What does Marxism lead to.

In Athens democracy was limited to the aristocracy, who were the only people considered citizens.

Tyranny of the minority rather than tyranny of the majority. People in that minority tend to prefer it.

[manolo]

Tyranny of the minority rather than tyranny of the majority. People in that minority tend to prefer it.

Enki,

I think Hitler would agree with you.

Alex.

[Ibrahim]

http://tony-benn.blogspot.co.uk/

sounds like the mirror version of mr p

"It is wholly wrong to blame Marx for what was done in his name , as to blame Jesus for what was done in his"

"Labour has never been a socialist party..it has some socialists in it. Just like there are some Christians in The Church of England"

who woulda thunk an utopian socialist would be an evangelical for utopian socialist outcomes, its certainly taken me by surprise.

noddy,

That's funny about the Labour party and the C of E, and true!

Alex.

No electable left-of-center party is really socialist. Liberalism and Social Democracy (my preference) are the closest you'll get. Real socialism is too radical for any state not in crisis mode, and its as likely to go far-right as far-left under those circumstances.


Re: the original post, democracy seems to be a fragile thing, but as likely to end in oligarchy or fascism as Marxism. I think Marx was correct about some of the things that lead to the breakdown of bourgeois capitalism, but it isn't a given that the next step will be what he predicted.

[Mr. Perfect]

I thought Hitler was very popular with Germans.

[Mr. Perfect]

What does Marxism lead to.

[manolo]

I thought Hitler was very popular with Germans.

Mr P,

Not just with the Germans.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/neo-nazis-stag ... d=20839380


Alex.

[manolo]

No electable left-of-center party is really socialist. Liberalism and Social Democracy (my preference) are the closest you'll get. Real socialism is too radical for any state not in crisis mode, and its as likely to go far-right as far-left under those circumstances.

Re: the original post, democracy seems to be a fragile thing, but as likely to end in oligarchy or fascism as Marxism. I think Marx was correct about some of the things that lead to the breakdown of bourgeois capitalism, but it isn't a given that the next step will be what he predicted.

Ibrahim,

I agree with your comments and share your political preference.

Alex.

[Mr. Perfect]

I thought Hitler was very popular with Germans.

Mr P,

Not just with the Germans.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/neo-nazis-stag ... d=20839380


Alex.

Seems like this article is about the fact that he is also not popular with Americans. But then I thought that was pretty well established.

[manolo]

I thought Hitler was very popular with Germans.

Mr P,

Not just with the Germans.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/neo-nazis-stag ... d=20839380


Alex.

Seems like this article is about the fact that he is also not popular with Americans. But then I thought that was pretty well established.

Mr P,

'Trading With The Enemy: How the Allied multinationals supplied Nazi Germany throughout WW11.'

Charles Higham, publisher Robert Hale, London, 1983.

Alex.

[Nonc Hilaire]

I thought Hitler was very popular with Germans.

Mr P,

Not just with the Germans.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/neo-nazis-stag ... d=20839380


Alex.

Seems like this article is about the fact that he is also not popular with Americans. But then I thought that was pretty well established.

Mr P,

'Trading With The Enemy: How the Allied multinationals supplied Nazi Germany throughout WW11.'

Charles Higham, publisher Robert Hale, London, 1983.

Alex.

The Allied multinationals also planned a coup of the U.S. Government and the assassination of F.D.R. in support of the Nazi effort. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

[Doc]

I thought Hitler was very popular with Germans.

Mr P,

Not just with the Germans.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/neo-nazis-stag ... d=20839380


Alex.

Seems like this article is about the fact that he is also not popular with Americans. But then I thought that was pretty well established.

Mr P,

'Trading With The Enemy: How the Allied multinationals supplied Nazi Germany throughout WW11.'

Charles Higham, publisher Robert Hale, London, 1983.

Alex.

The Allied multinationals also planned a coup of the U.S. Government and the assassination of F.D.R. in support of the Nazi effort. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

Butler testified to the Special Committee on Un-American Activities Congressional committee

Hmmmmm

http://entitledtoanopinion.wordpress.co ... every-day/

I was reading up on Smedley Butler when I came across this. The most interesting part was the note at the end that discusses his dealings with the FBI. It seems odd that a man who had no problem associating with communist radicals could be on good terms with J. Edgar “Red Scare” Hoover, but he was. In a speech denouncing the rest of the government he said the FBI was one of the few departments “which did not smell to high heaven”. Butler had also been an ardent enforcer of Prohibition (he worked as Director of Public Safety for Philadelphia and turned over half his revenue to groups attacking politicians that hampered his efforts to enforce Probition) and declared “put the law books in cold storage and bring out the high-powered rifles and machine guns”. It also notes that he was the target of a hoax about Charles Coughlin invading Mexico. I suspect the “coup” he was asked to take part in had no more substance to it. It would seem odd that anyone would believe Butler would be willing to take part in it. It’s too his credit that he opposed pro-Republican intervention in the Spanish Civil War when many of his radical associates is, as I suppose it is that despite his dislike for FDR he would refuse to unseat him. At the same time I can’t help but think when I read Kevin Grier say “I’d rather see the craziest policies coming out of a democracy than excellent ones coming after a coup from a military junta”: why?

[Mr. Perfect]

I thought Hitler was very popular with Germans.

Mr P,

Not just with the Germans.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/neo-nazis-stag ... d=20839380


Alex.

Seems like this article is about the fact that he is also not popular with Americans. But then I thought that was pretty well established.

Mr P,

'Trading With The Enemy: How the Allied multinationals supplied Nazi Germany throughout WW11.'

Charles Higham, publisher Robert Hale, London, 1983.

Alex.

And what does that have to do with anything.

[Ibrahim]

No electable left-of-center party is really socialist. Liberalism and Social Democracy (my preference) are the closest you'll get. Real socialism is too radical for any state not in crisis mode, and its as likely to go far-right as far-left under those circumstances.

Re: the original post, democracy seems to be a fragile thing, but as likely to end in oligarchy or fascism as Marxism. I think Marx was correct about some of the things that lead to the breakdown of bourgeois capitalism, but it isn't a given that the next step will be what he predicted.

Ibrahim,

I agree with your comments and share your political preference.

Alex.

I was pretty conservative when I was younger, so I don't have the nostalgia for full-on Marxism that some former campus leftists have. I've also traveled enough to to see what too much and not enough socialism look like.

Hard to predict the long term, but in the near future I think we'll see more and more power and wealth concentrated into a smaller and smaller circle of people. I think people of most political persuasions expect the same thing, they only differ on the response.

[monster_gardener]

Folks,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX-P4mx1FLU

Alex.

Thank You Very Much for the thread, Alex Manolo E-Thinker.

Democracy leads to Marxism

Sometimes, it can.....

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