Many Germans feel a special bond to Russia

[Heracleum Persicum]

Russian politician orders aides to ‘violently rape’ pregnant journalist at press conference

To paraphrase Gandhi

Q: What do you think about Russian civilization?

A: I think that civilization in Russia would be a good idea.

Had this discussion a few times

Brits .. with all those atrocities and genocides in Africa, China, Middle East, biggest slave traders in human history .. Germans with not so distant genocide history .. French with Algeria, Dutch with Indonesia, Belgium with Angola and Kongo, Spaniards and and and .. you probably consider them all civilized nation

but

Russians, with non of the above, uncivilized

well, CS, you re civilization, issue not the page you on, you reading different book

.

Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari.

Brits .. with all those atrocities and genocides in Africa, China, Middle East, biggest slave traders in human history .. Germans with not so distant genocide history .. French with Algeria, Dutch with Indonesia, Belgium with Angola and Kongo, Spaniards and and and .. you probably consider them all civilized nation

True......*

Russians, with non of the above,

WRONG!

Russians with Holodomor
And More

The Holodomor (Ukrainian: Голодомор, "Extermination by hunger" or "Hunger-extermination";[2] derived from 'Морити голодом', "Killing by Starvation" [3][4][5]) was a man-made famine in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic in 1932 and 1933 that killed up to 7.5 million Ukrainians.[6] During the famine, which is also known as the "Terror-Famine in Ukraine" and "Famine-Genocide in Ukraine",[7][8][9] millions of citizens of Ukrainian SSR, the majority of whom were Ukrainians, died of starvation in a peacetime catastrophe unprecedented in the history of Ukraine.[10] Since 2006, the Holodomor has been recognized by the independent Ukraine and several other countries as a genocide of the Ukrainian people.[11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

Which is a major reason why the Little Ukrainians hate their not so Great Russian Brothers so much....

uncivilized

Recalling that the Romans used uncivilized German barbarian warriors as bodyguards because the Germans had barbaric personal honor which made them less likely to betray their employer......


Really pretty near all Depraved Sinful Egotistical Chaos Monkey Humans can easily become Killer Apes In their
Peculiar Ways......

Including Ukrainians.....

And Uz......

And even Persian Peacock Throners can reach a Nadir


*BTW congrats on not being a Holocaust Denier which some Iranians seem to be....

.

Monster, this Ukrainians famine of Communist period has been mentioned here a few times as evidence Russians this and that

Stalin was no Russian but Georgian, Khrushchev was no Russian but Ukrainian .. and .. that communism conspiracy was neither Russian idea nor making, Germans and Jews invented that SH*T and forced on our beloved Russia (Germans shipping Lenin on sealed Train to Russia to f*ck the Romanov .. poor Russia was and IS a victim (of you guys)

but

Ukrainian famine was a policy mistake of Stalin collectivization of Agri industry .. you bringing this up would mean as if 1930 Great Depression would be a sign of American (bad) character.

One enacts a political, economic, health care, education policy and the result can be good, very good or bad or disaster

Who was at fault last collapse of economy a few yrs ago millions of American losing everything (not only their home but their job and everything else), Wall Street crooks, who runs Wall Street, who fleeced American to the bone, who was f*cking Russian that idi*t Yeltsin time

Come on,

Russians are victim of you guys


First, Bonaparte BURNS everything til he arrives in Moscow (to find a DICK on the table) .. next comes (your cousin Anglo-Saxons) Adolf killin 25 million Russians .. and .. did Russians get a war reparation from Germany .. NO .. Germany now heart of NATO threatening Russia, AGAIN

Come on, you not deelin with fools (anymore), thanx to Ahamdinejat tabooos gone (long ago, since 1979)

P.S.

re Stalin, yes, he was Georgian (wanting to be priest), one might say about Stalin this and that, but Stalin made Russia from an agri nation to and industrial nation.. Stalin in reality made what Russia is today

.

[monster_gardener]

Russian politician orders aides to ‘violently rape’ pregnant journalist at press conference

To paraphrase Gandhi

Q: What do you think about Russian civilization?

A: I think that civilization in Russia would be a good idea.

Had this discussion a few times

Brits .. with all those atrocities and genocides in Africa, China, Middle East, biggest slave traders in human history .. Germans with not so distant genocide history .. French with Algeria, Dutch with Indonesia, Belgium with Angola and Kongo, Spaniards and and and .. you probably consider them all civilized nation

but

Russians, with non of the above, uncivilized

well, CS, you re civilization, issue not the page you on, you reading different book

.

Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari.

Brits .. with all those atrocities and genocides in Africa, China, Middle East, biggest slave traders in human history .. Germans with not so distant genocide history .. French with Algeria, Dutch with Indonesia, Belgium with Angola and Kongo, Spaniards and and and .. you probably consider them all civilized nation

True......*

Russians, with non of the above,

WRONG!

Russians with Holodomor
And More

The Holodomor (Ukrainian: Голодомор, "Extermination by hunger" or "Hunger-extermination";[2] derived from 'Морити голодом', "Killing by Starvation" [3][4][5]) was a man-made famine in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic in 1932 and 1933 that killed up to 7.5 million Ukrainians.[6] During the famine, which is also known as the "Terror-Famine in Ukraine" and "Famine-Genocide in Ukraine",[7][8][9] millions of citizens of Ukrainian SSR, the majority of whom were Ukrainians, died of starvation in a peacetime catastrophe unprecedented in the history of Ukraine.[10] Since 2006, the Holodomor has been recognized by the independent Ukraine and several other countries as a genocide of the Ukrainian people.[11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

Which is a major reason why the Little Ukrainians hate their not so Great Russian Brothers so much....

uncivilized

Recalling that the Romans used uncivilized German barbarian warriors as bodyguards because the Germans had barbaric personal honor which made them less likely to betray their employer......


Really pretty near all Depraved Sinful Egotistical Chaos Monkey Humans can easily become Killer Apes In their
Peculiar Ways......

Including Ukrainians.....

And Uz......

And even Persian Peacock Throners can reach a Nadir


*BTW congrats on not being a Holocaust Denier which some Iranians seem to be....

.

Monster, this Ukrainians famine of Communist period has been mentioned here a few times as evidence Russians this and that

Stalin was no Russian but Georgian, Khrushchev was no Russian but Ukrainian .. and .. that communism conspiracy was neither Russian idea nor making, Germans and Jews invented that SH*T and forced on our beloved Russia (Germans shipping Lenin on sealed Train to Russia to f*ck the Romanov .. poor Russia was and IS a victim (of you guys)

but

Ukrainian famine was a policy mistake of Stalin collectivization of Agri industry .. you bringing this up would mean as if 1930 Great Depression would be a sign of American (bad) character.

One enacts a political, economic, health care, education policy and the result can be good, very good or bad or disaster

Who was at fault last collapse of economy a few yrs ago millions of American losing everything (not only their home but their job and everything else), Wall Street crooks, who runs Wall Street, who fleeced American to the bone, who was f*cking Russian that idi*t Yeltsin time

Come on,

Russians are victim of you guys


First, Bonaparte BURNS everything til he arrives in Moscow (to find a DICK on the table) .. next comes (your cousin Anglo-Saxons) Adolf killin 25 million Russians .. and .. did Russians get a war reparation from Germany .. NO .. Germany now heart of NATO threatening Russia, AGAIN

Come on, you not deelin with fools (anymore), thanx to Ahamdinejat tabooos gone (long ago, since 1979)

P.S.

re Stalin, yes, he was Georgian (wanting to be priest), one might say about Stalin this and that, but Stalin made Russia from an agri nation to and industrial nation.. Stalin in reality made what Russia is today

.

Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari.

Stalin was no Russian but Georgian,

So what?/!
Stalin was the head of the Russian/Soviet Government implementing genocidal policy that killed millions of Ukrainians and benefited Russians using Russian Government Goons to do it.....

Bonaparte BURNS everything til he arrives in Moscow

By your natal standard, the French are not responsible for this because Napoleon Bonaparte was born a Corsican or maybe really an Italian ...Never mind that he was leading the army of the French Empire......

Napoleon was born on 15 August 1769 to Carlo Maria di Buonaparte and Maria Letizia Ramolino in his family's ancestral home, Casa Buonaparte, in the town of Ajaccio, the capital of the island of Corsica. He was their 4th child and 3rd son. This was a year after the island was transferred to France by the Republic of Genoa.[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon#O ... _education

did Russians get a war reparation from Germany ..

Yes. Among which was: Lots of territory... And all the watches the Bad News Russian Were-Bears could steal.

Come on, you not deelin with fools (anymore)

Interesting that you keep repeating that phrase......

Wondering if maybe Azari thinks he is dealing with fools.....

Who can't see behind the propaganda.......


Truth be known IMVHO, are dealing with fools or something similar......

Seems that Depraved Sinful Egotistical Chaos Monkeys can be as Dumb as Dinosaurs but with less excuse.....

The fact that there are not sustainable colonies in Space or AT LEAST functional anti-Meteor Forces is evidence of that.

Given the propensity of both ourselves and Mean Green Mother Nature to kill us like She did the Dinosaurs..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_crater

P.S.

Stalin, yes, he was Georgian (wanting to be priest)

Methinks you are trying to have it both ways, Azari

But well taken that White Wizards/Priests who go bad can sometimes be especially malicious...

one might say about Stalin this and that, but Stalin made Russia from an agri nation to and industrial nation..

Maybe not so much......

A case can be made that a less malicious Russian leader might have done much better....

Maybe the Ukrainians would not have come to hate Russians so much that they sided with the Germans against Stalin

Stalin in reality made what Russia is today

Sadly you are probably quite right about this........

[noddy]

Azari is consistently pro cleansing genocides unless anglos or jews do them

[Typhoon]

Stalin in reality made what Russia is today

Sadly you are probably quite right this........

Indeed. A pathological unresolved mess.

[Parodite]

As per HPs claim that Stalin did not starve the Ukrainians on purpose, I'm not sure. I found this (part of a) book, an illegal copy in PDF but what seems a thorough historical research:

http://www.melgrosh.unimelb.edu.au/docu ... nPersp.pdf

( Not sure of this one is a different book but it also is about the famines in the Ukraine during 1931-1933: http://sovietinfo.tripod.com/WCR-Ukraine_Famine.pdf)

On Amazon:

The Years of Hunger: Soviet Agriculture, 1931-1933 (Industrialisation of Soviet Russia) (Vol 5) Hardcover

This book examines the Soviet agricultural crisis of 1931-1933 which culminated in the major famine of 1933. It is the first volume in English to make extensive use of Russian and Ukrainian central and local archives to assess the extent and causes of the famine. It reaches new conclusions on how far the famine was "organized" or "artificial," and compares it with other Russian and Soviet famines and with major twentieth century famines elsewhere. Against this background, it discusses the emergence of collective farming as an economic and social system.

No matter the level of Stalinist intent to starve the Ukrainians, the tragedy started with the Soviets occupying the Ukraine and taking control of agricultural production, which meant stealing the property and land of the farmers and making the soviet collective the owner and the farmers the slaves of that collective.

The Ukrainian farmers however of course, didn't like that one bit. Who would? Ukrainian resistance against Russian domination has always been strong.

SLMYHzn5Iu0

The famine, is my assumption, was not exactly planned in advance, but very convenient to defeat the remaining Ukrainian nationalistic uprisings. Could Stalin have prevented the famine? Probably... but he chose to keep the reserves stored and be rather spent on the Russian military adventures in the East.

Did he let the millions of Ukrainians die on purpose then because that would serve some other special interests? Most likely Stalin and his soviet bureaucracy didn't give a damn about dying Ukrainians.. for starters. On the contrary. He had many reasons not to feed them, not to allow grain reserves be transported to the Ukrainian needy. So my bet for now is that Stalin let it happen willingly, on purpose.

HP.. what am I overlooking? You seem pretty sure it was all unintended.. an accident... Stalin just didn't know yet that communism and agriculture don't work well together. How did you come to that conclusion? Teach us, oh Master of History.

[Typhoon]

Azari is consistently pro cleansing genocides unless anglos or jews do them.

Indeed.

I knew a fellow who was a Marxist-Leninist and firmly believed that Albania under the former despot Hoxha was paradise on earth.

What was amusing to me was that as much as he hated capitalists, he hated revisionist Marxist-Leninists and Trotskyites even more.

[Endovelico]

Azari is consistently pro cleansing genocides unless anglos or jews do them.

Indeed.

I knew a fellow who was a Marxist-Leninist and firmly believed that Albania under the former despot Hoxha was paradise on earth.

What was amusing to me was that as much as he hated capitalists, he hated revisionist Marxist-Leninists and Trotskyites even more.

I remember when my grandmother used to tell us stories from the Great Depression... They were very enlightening...

[Heracleum Persicum]

As per HPs claim that Stalin did not starve the Ukrainians on purpose, I'm not sure. I found this (part of a) book, an illegal copy in PDF but what seems a thorough historical research:

http://www.melgrosh.unimelb.edu.au/docu ... nPersp.pdf

( Not sure of this one is a different book but it also is about the famines in the Ukraine during 1931-1933: http://sovietinfo.tripod.com/WCR-Ukraine_Famine.pdf)

On Amazon:

The Years of Hunger: Soviet Agriculture, 1931-1933 (Industrialisation of Soviet Russia) (Vol 5) Hardcover

This book examines the Soviet agricultural crisis of 1931-1933 which culminated in the major famine of 1933. It is the first volume in English to make extensive use of Russian and Ukrainian central and local archives to assess the extent and causes of the famine. It reaches new conclusions on how far the famine was "organized" or "artificial," and compares it with other Russian and Soviet famines and with major twentieth century famines elsewhere. Against this background, it discusses the emergence of collective farming as an economic and social system.

No matter the level of Stalinist intent to starve the Ukrainians, the tragedy started with the Soviets occupying the Ukraine and taking control of agricultural production, which meant stealing the property and land of the farmers and making the soviet collective the owner and the farmers the slaves of that collective.

The Ukrainian farmers however of course, didn't like that one bit. Who would? Ukrainian resistance against Russian domination has always been strong.

SLMYHzn5Iu0

The famine, is my assumption, was not exactly planned in advance, but very convenient to defeat the remaining Ukrainian nationalistic uprisings. Could Stalin have prevented the famine? Probably... but he chose to keep the reserves stored and be rather spent on the Russian military adventures in the East.

Did he let the millions of Ukrainians die on purpose then because that would serve some other special interests? Most likely Stalin and his soviet bureaucracy didn't give a damn about dying Ukrainians.. for starters. On the contrary. He had many reasons not to feed them, not to allow grain reserves be transported to the Ukrainian needy. So my bet for now is that Stalin let it happen willingly, on purpose.

HP.. what am I overlooking? You seem pretty sure it was all unintended.. an accident... Stalin just didn't know yet that communism and agriculture don't work well together. How did you come to that conclusion? Teach us, oh Master of History.

.

(Agri) Land in Russia and Ukraine and all that space belonged to "feudal" big land owners .. a wonderful read, "Dead Souls" of Nikolai Gogol to understand what you talking

As Gogol's wily antihero, Chichikov, combs the back country wheeling and dealing for "dead souls"--deceased serfs who still represent money to anyone sharp enough to trade in them--we are introduced to a Dickensian cast of peasants, landowners, and conniving petty officials, ..

Communism, a German/Jewish creation, a conspiracy against human race, were forced to Russians by Germans to destroy Russia, and was successful doing so

Notion Russians stole Ukrainian agriculture land comes from illiteracy of not knowing "communism" .. communism "collectivized" agriculture, farm land, in all Russia and Ukraine etc, similar to "Zionist Kibbutzim" in Israel

Stalin IMPLEMENTED "communism" in Russia (Lenin died early), Stalin built up Russia to a power .. and .. Stalin "solidified" Sowjet communism empire .. his policies brought a lot of "hardship" for some "ethnicity", moving Chechen and Tatars and (Volga) Kosaks and others to central Asia and dividing central Asian republics, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and changing their language to Russian and and .. those policies were not to f*ck others but "implementation" and solidifying Communism

.

[Torchwood]

There is an amusing game of describing countries in terms of paradoxes:
Germany : very rational and very sentimental
USA: very dumb and very clever
UK: very polite and very rude.

Russia is the ultimate place for antonyms and deserves two entries, at least:
Very friendly and very unfriendly
Very cultured and very barbaric

I have found Russians to be warm and friendly, great sense of humour, but more than a bit crazy, they might hug you or they might shoot you. So schizophrenic feelings of love and loathe simultaneously seem totally understandable, because the whole country is more than a bit schizo.

[Endovelico]

I have found Russians to be warm and friendly, great sense of humour, but more than a bit crazy, they might hug you or they might shoot you. So schizophrenic feelings of love and loathe simultaneously seem totally understandable, because the whole country is more than a bit schizo.

It has all to do with their climate. I would also go crazy if I had to live between minus 30º and plus 40º C...

[Doc]

I have found Russians to be warm and friendly, great sense of humour, but more than a bit crazy, they might hug you or they might shoot you. So schizophrenic feelings of love and loathe simultaneously seem totally understandable, because the whole country is more than a bit schizo.

It has all to do with their climate. I would also go crazy if I had to live between minus 30º and plus 40º C...

Sounds like an apology for the most unapologetic.

[Alexis]

According to Chekhov

Love, friendship, respect, do not unite people as much as a common hatred for something.





I think this truth is well known of more than one politician and leader of nation.

And used shamelessly.

[monster_gardener]

According to Chekhov

Love, friendship, respect, do not unite people as much as a common hatred for something.





I think this truth is well known of more than one politician and leader of nation.

And used shamelessly.

Thank You VERY Much for your post, Alexis.

Love, friendship, respect, do not unite people as much as a common hatred for something.

Per Dr. Johnson,

Fear also works well.......

Properly directed, it can save lives.........

"Depend upon it, sir, when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully."

Or that the prospect of a Major Meteor Impact might concentrate the World Mind Wonderfully......

If there is time to do something about it.........

Might make the Ukraine situation seem superfluous......

Main point of importance.... who is/are space tech capable of sending a team of Astronauts oops I mean Cosmonauts or robots to stop it.......

http://www.samueljohnson.com/mortalit.html

[Heracleum Persicum]

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Spiegel : Three-quarters of all Germans oppose a military intervention by NATO in the Ukraine crisis
and
one-third say they can sympathize with Putin's decision to annex Crimea

[Heracleum Persicum]

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Ex German Chancellor, Gerhard Schröder feiert 70. Geburtstag mit Putin


Merkel could lose election if siding with US against Russia .. Germans sympathize with Russia


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[Heracleum Persicum]

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http://blogs.ft.com/the-world/2014/04/p ... sian-ties/


Vladimir Putin still has some friends in the West. This week, he was seen sharing a comradely hug with Gerhard Schroeder, the former German chancellor, who was celebrating his 70th birthday, at a party in St. Petersburg.

..

.. he is not the only former German chancellor to have expressed sympathy with the Russian position on Ukraine. Helmut Schmidt has said that Russia’s actions in Crimea were “completely understandable”. Helmut Kohl has fretted about how the West is being too tough on Russia. Opinion polls also suggest that the German public is deeply reluctant to confront Russia – with just under 50 per cent saying they see Germany’s role as mediating between Russia and the US. By these standards, it is Angela Merkel’s relative toughness that is the aberration.