The Donald....the newest savior.....

[Mr. Perfect]

If you read the news the wall is for illegal immigrants. Unless you are suggesting that illegal aliens are all drug smugglers.

[Typhoon]

If you read the news the wall is for illegal immigrants. Unless you are suggesting that illegal aliens are all drug smugglers.

Missed the obvious point that being a neighbour of the US has, and continues to be, far more harmful to Mexico
than the any harm to the US from being a neighbour of Mexico.

One could argue that the US has, in fact, greatly benefited from a source of cheap hardworking labour.

Numerous sources across the political spectrum report that illegal immigration to the US is at a 20 year low.

Illegal immigration apparently peaked in yr 2000 and has been declining since:



Seems that Trump is picking fallen rotting fruit as an issue.

[Nonc Hilaire]

Trump is silent on H1-b job outsourcing. His gearbox is jammed on"M".

[Typhoon]

Trump is silent on H1-b job outsourcing. His gearbox is jammed on"M".

Unlike the M issue, the H1-B issue is probably worth worrying about as it promotes a de facto tech and high end skill transfer out of the US.

However, that type of stuff is apparently way over the heads of the Teabags who appear to be mostly

1/ motivated by good old time racism

2/ dumber than a bag of broken bricks

[YMix]

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[Typhoon]

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The Trump campaign theme song suggests itself . . .

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[Mr. Perfect]

Missed the obvious point that being a neighbour of the US has, and continues to be, far more harmful to Mexico
than the any harm to the US from being a neighbour of Mexico.

We don't do anything bad to Mexico, at all.

One could argue that the US has, in fact, greatly benefited from a source of cheap hardworking labour.

Why doesn't Mexico benefit from the cheap labor.

Numerous sources across the political spectrum report that illegal immigration to the US is at a 20 year low.

Illegal immigration apparently peaked in yr 2000 and has been declining since:



Seems that Trump is picking fallen rotting fruit as an issue.

More below.

[Mr. Perfect]

Unlike the M issue, the H1-B issue is probably worth worrying about as it promotes a de facto tech and high end skill transfer out of the US.

However, that type of stuff is apparently way over the heads of the Teabags who appear to be mostly

2/ dumber than a bag of broken bricks

Your chart above looks like gun violence in the US; that is, it's been dropping for decades.

By your logic here anyone advocating gun control would be dumber than a bag of broken bricks.

And yet so may of you advocate that. Why be dumber than a bag of bricks, by your own logic.

1/ motivated by good old time racism

How much illegal immigration is tolerated in Japan. Why don't you guys import the cheap hardworking labor. Please answer this question.

[Typhoon]

The now canonical misdirection when faced with an uncomfortable question.

Anyways, to indulge:

Japan did bring in a fair bit of foreign labour from Brazil to work in the industrial region in and around Nagoya.

That's why all the official signage in Nagoya is in Japanese, English, Chinese, and Portuguese along with train and subway announcements:

http://www.city.nagoya.jp/pt/index.html

Out of curiousity, how many languages are found on the city of Baltimore web site?

The number of foreign workers in Japan is at an all time high and is expected to increase:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/in-japan-fo ... 1440987888

[YMix]

We don't do anything bad to Mexico, at all.

[Typhoon]

We don't do anything bad to Mexico, at all.

Seconded.

[Mr. Perfect]

The now canonical misdirection when faced with an uncomfortable question.

What was the question.

Anyways, to indulge:

Japan did bring in a fair bit of foreign labour from Brazil to work in the industrial region in and around Nagoya.

That's why all the official signage in Nagoya is in Japanese, English, Chinese, and Portuguese along with train and subway announcements:

http://www.city.nagoya.jp/pt/index.html

Out of curiousity, how many languages are found on the city of Baltimore web site?

The number of foreign workers in Japan is at an all time high and is expected to increase:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/in-japan-fo ... 1440987888

You didn't indulge me. How many illegal immigrants does Japan tolerate.

[Mr. Perfect]

We don't do anything bad to Mexico, at all.

Seconded.

Ok, I'll bite. What did barack obama do that was bad to Mexico.

[Endovelico]

Japan did bring in a fair bit of foreign labour from Brazil to work in the industrial region in and around Nagoya.

Labour from Brazil were exclusively children or grandchildren of Japanese immigrants to Brazil... How foreign can one consider it?...

[Heracleum Persicum]

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Trump attacks Bush for calling illegal immigration ‘act of love’


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[YMix]

Donald Trump, Fascist
By Jeffrey Tucker

Just a few weeks ago, Donald Trump was a crank and joke, living proof that making lots of money doesn’t mean you have the answers and further proof that being a capitalist doesn’t mean you necessarily like or understand capitalism. His dabbling in politics was widely regarded as a silly distraction.

This week, he leads the polls among the pack of Republican aspirants to the office of president of the United States. While all the other candidates are following the rules, playing the media, saying the right things, obeying the civic conventions, Trump is taking the opposite approach. He doesn’t care. He says whatever. Thousands gather at his rallies to thrill to the moment.

Suddenly he is serious, if only for a time, and hence it is time to take his political worldview seriously.

I just heard Trump speak live. The speech lasted an hour, and my jaw was on the floor most of the time. I’ve never before witnessed such a brazen display of nativistic jingoism, along with a complete disregard for economic reality. It was an awesome experience, a perfect repudiation of all good sense and intellectual sobriety.

Yes, he is against the establishment, against existing conventions. It also serves as an important reminder: As bad as the status quo is, things could be worse. Trump is dedicated to taking us there.

His speech was like an interwar séance of once-powerful dictators who inspired multitudes, drove countries into the ground and died grim deaths. I kept thinking of books like John T. Flynn’s As We Go Marching, especially Chapter Ten that so brilliantly chronicles a form of statism that swept Europe in the 1930s. It grew up in the firmament of failed economies, cultural upheaval and social instability, and it lives by stoking the fires of bourgeois resentment.

Since World War II, the ideology he represents has usually lived in dark corners, and we don’t even have a name for it anymore. The right name, the correct name, the historically accurate name, is fascism. I don’t use that word as an insult only. It is accurate.

Though hardly anyone talks about it today, we really should. It is still real. It exists. It is distinct. It is not going away. Trump has tapped into it, absorbing unto his own political ambitions every conceivable resentment (race, class, sex, religion, economic) and promising a new order of things under his mighty hand.

You would have to be hopelessly ignorant of modern history not to see the outlines and where they end up. I want to laugh about what he said, like reading a comic-book version of Franco, Mussolini or Hitler. And truly I did laugh as he denounced the existence of tech support in India that serves American companies (“how can it be cheaper to call people there than here?”—as if he still thinks that long-distance charges apply). But in politics, history shows that laughter can turn too quickly to tears.

So, what does Trump actually believe? He does have a philosophy, though it takes a bit of insight and historical understanding to discern it. Of course, race baiting is essential to the ideology, and there was plenty of that. When a Hispanic man asked a question, Trump interrupted him and asked if he had been sent by the Mexican government. He took it a step further, dividing blacks from Hispanics by inviting a black man to the microphone to tell how his own son was killed by an illegal immigrant.

Because Trump is the only one who speaks this way, he can count on support from the darkest elements of American life. He doesn’t need to actually advocate racial homogeneity, call for whites-only signs to be hung at immigration control or push for expulsion or extermination of undesirables. Because such views are verboten, he has the field alone, and he can count on the support of those who think that way by making the right noises.

Trump also tosses little bones to the religious right, enough to allow them to believe that he represents their interests. Yes, it’s implausible and hilarious. At the speech I heard, he pointed out that he is a Presbyterian, and thus he is personally affected every time ISIS beheads a Christian.

But as much as racial and religious resentment is part of his rhetorical apparatus, it is not his core. His core is about business, his own business and his acumen thereof. He is living proof that being a successful capitalist is no predictor of one’s appreciation for an actual free market (stealing not trading is more his style). It only implies a love of money and a longing for the power that comes with it. Trump has both.

What do capitalists on his level do? They beat the competition. What does he believe he should do as president? Beat the competition, which means other countries, which means wage a trade war. If you listen to him, you would suppose that the United States is in some sort of massive, epochal struggle for supremacy with China, India, Malaysia and pretty much everyone else in the world.

It takes a bit to figure out what this could mean. He speaks of the United States as if it were one thing, one single firm. A business. “We” are in competition with “them,” as if the country was IBM competing against Samsung, Apple or Dell. “We” are not 300 million people pursuing unique dreams and ideas, with special tastes or interests, cooperating with people around the world to build prosperity. “We” are doing one thing, and that is being part of one business.

In effect, he believes that he is running to be the CEO of the country—not just of the government. He is often compared with Ross Perot, another wealthy businessman who made an independent run. But Perot only promised to bring business standards to government. Trump wants to run the entire nation as if it were Trump Tower.

In this capacity, he believes that he will make deals with other countries that cause the United States to come out on top, whatever that could mean. He conjures up visions of himself or one of his associates sitting across the table from some Indian or Chinese leader and making wild demands that they will buy such and such amount of product, or else “we” won’t buy “their” product. He fantasizes about placing phone calls to “Saudi Arabia,” the country, and telling “it” what he thinks about oil prices.

Trade theory developed over hundreds of years plays no role in his thinking at all. To him, America is a homogenous unit, no different from his own business enterprise. With his run for president, he is really making a takeover bid, not just for another company to own but for an entire country to manage from the top down, under his proven and brilliant record of business negotiation and acquisition.

You see why the whole speech came across as bizarre? It was. And yet, maybe it was not. In the 18th century, there is a trade theory called mercantilism that posited something similar: Ship the goods out and keep the money in. It builds up industrial cartels that live at the expense of the consumer.

In the 19th century, this penchant for industrial protectionism and mercantilism became guild socialism, which mutated later into fascism and then into Nazism. You can read Ludwig von Mises to find out more on how this works.

What’s distinct about Trumpism, and the tradition of thought it represents, is that it is not leftist in its cultural and political outlook (see how he is praised for rejecting “political correctness”), and yet it is still totalitarian in the sense that it seeks total control of society and economy and demands no limits on state power.

Whereas the left has long attacked bourgeois institutions like family, church and property, fascism has made its peace with all three. It (very wisely) seeks political strategies that call on the organic matter of the social structure and inspire masses of people to rally around the nation as a personified ideal in history, under the leadership of a great and highly accomplished man.

Trump believes himself to be that man. He sounds fresh, exciting, even thrilling, like a man with a plan and a complete disregard for the existing establishment and all its weakness and corruption.

This is how strongmen take over countries. They say some true things, boldly, and conjure up visions of national greatness under their leadership. They’ve got the flags, the music, the hype, the hysteria, the resources, and they work to extract that thing in many people that seeks heroes and momentous struggles in which they can prove their greatness.

Think of Commodus (161-192 A.D.) in his war against the corrupt Roman senate. His ascension to power came with the promise of renewed Rome. What he brought was inflation, stagnation and suffering. Historians have usually dated the fall of Rome from his leadership.

Or, if you prefer pop culture, think of Bane, the would-be dictator of Gotham in Batman, who promises an end to democratic corruption, weakness and loss of civic pride. He sought a revolution against the prevailing elites in order to gain total power unto himself.

These people are all the same. They purport to be populists, while loathing the decisions people actually make in the marketplace (such as buying Chinese goods or hiring Mexican employees).

Oh, how they love the people, and how they hate the establishment. They defy all civic conventions. Their ideology is somehow organic to the nation, not a wacky import like socialism. They promise a new era based on pride, strength, heroism, triumph. They have an obsession with the problem of trade and mercantilist belligerence at the only solution. They have zero conception of the social order as a complex and extended ordering of individual plans, one that functions through freedom.

This is a dark history, and I seriously doubt that Trump himself is aware of it. Instead, he just makes it up as he goes along, speaking from his gut, just like Uncle Harry at Thanksgiving dinner, just like two guys at the bar during last call.

This penchant has always served him well. It cannot serve a whole nation well. Indeed, the very prospect is terrifying and not just for the immigrant groups and foreign peoples he has chosen to scapegoat for all the country’s problems. It’s a disaster in waiting for everyone.

My own prediction is that the political exotica Trump represents will not last. It’s a moment in time. The thousands who attend his rallies and scream their heads off will head home and return to enjoying movies, smartphones and mobile apps from all over the world, partaking in the highest standard of living experienced in the whole of human history, granted courtesy of the global market economy in which no one rules. We will not go back.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

Trump is silent on H1-b job outsourcing. His gearbox is jammed on"M".

No he isn't, he called out Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook the other day about the practice of bringing in foreign engineers and paying them as little possible.

He argued that America graduate tons of STEM majors that guys like Zuckerberg overlook with H1-b hires and that it ultimately hurts women and minorities.

this was the first google search result, from CNN Money:

Trump H1b

[Enki]

Can't agree. Obama is low-end rental politician. He is just a puppet being played on stage.

Trump is an independently wealthy media personality trying to buy the Republican party. Adelson is getting old and Trump recognizes the opportunity to become the new kingmaker. His game is completely different from the rest of the field.

Who do you think is pulling Obama's strings?

O & T strike me as similar egos. Both realize it is more stagecraft than substance, but I think both may have fallen prey to the siren song of celebrity.

And yet Trump like Obama has put out more substantive policy statements than his competition. Scott Walker wants to build a wall with Canada.

If he wins the GOP nomination I will breathe a sigh of relief.

[Heracleum Persicum]

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And yet Trump like Obama has put out more substantive policy statements than his competition. Scott Walker wants to build a wall with Canada.

If he wins the GOP nomination I will breathe a sigh of relief.

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Hi

long time no post ! ! !

True, Trump is the sanest one

Hopefully he wins the GOP nomination


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[Mr. Perfect]

Donald Trump, Fascist
By Jeffrey Tucker

Just a few weeks ago, Donald Trump was a crank and joke, living proof that making lots of money doesn’t mean you have the answers and further proof that being a capitalist doesn’t mean you necessarily like or understand capitalism. His dabbling in politics was widely regarded as a silly distraction.

This week, he leads the polls among the pack of Republican aspirants to the office of president of the United States. While all the other candidates are following the rules, playing the media, saying the right things, obeying the civic conventions, Trump is taking the opposite approach. He doesn’t care. He says whatever. Thousands gather at his rallies to thrill to the moment.

Suddenly he is serious, if only for a time, and hence it is time to take his political worldview seriously.

His worldview is near identical to a Democrat from 1950-1999. The horrors.

His speech was like an interwar séance of once-powerful dictators who inspired multitudes, drove countries into the ground and died grim deaths. I kept thinking of books like John T. Flynn’s As We Go Marching, especially Chapter Ten that so brilliantly chronicles a form of statism that swept Europe in the 1930s. It grew up in the firmament of failed economies, cultural upheaval and social instability, and it lives by stoking the fires of bourgeois resentment.

Since World War II, the ideology he represents has usually lived in dark corners, and we don’t even have a name for it anymore. The right name, the correct name, the historically accurate name, is fascism. I don’t use that word as an insult only. It is accurate.

Though hardly anyone talks about it today, we really should. It is still real. It exists. It is distinct. It is not going away. Trump has tapped into it, absorbing unto his own political ambitions every conceivable resentment (race, class, sex, religion, economic) and promising a new order of things under his mighty hand.

You would have to be hopelessly ignorant of modern history not to see the outlines and where they end up. I want to laugh about what he said, like reading a comic-book version of Franco, Mussolini or Hitler.

Full Godwin this early.

You guys are going to have to do so much better than this. I don't think you're going to make it.

[Nonc Hilaire]

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And yet Trump like Obama has put out more substantive policy statements than his competition. Scott Walker wants to build a wall with Canada.

If he wins the GOP nomination I will breathe a sigh of relief.

.

Hi

long time no post ! ! !

True, Trump is the sanest one

Hopefully he wins the GOP nomination


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Trump for ayatolah! Substitute hair spray for turbans and cooler heads will prevail!

[Typhoon]

Japan did bring in a fair bit of foreign labour from Brazil to work in the industrial region in and around Nagoya.

Labour from Brazil were exclusively children or grandchildren of Japanese immigrants to Brazil... How foreign can one consider it?...

Exclusively? Wrong again.

However, top marks as usual for consistency.

Here's a plot from that period.



As Brazilian-Japanese immigration, it was a brilliant, if completely unplanned and unintended, demonstration of the power of culture over what people mistakenly call "blood".

Lots of cultural conflicts between the Japanese and the Brazilian-Japanese.

I didn't mind. The B-Japanese gals were hot and genki [lively].

[Mr. Perfect]

He said labor from Brazil, not all labor. So of course, he was not wrong.

But back to the battle, how many illegal immigrants does Japan tolerate.

[Typhoon]

. . .

But back to the battle, how many illegal immigrants does Japan tolerate.

Battle? The only fight I've seen here is you with yourself.

Japan deports illegal immigrants. However, if you or others wish to discuss Japan's policies, that's what the Japan thread is for.

[Mr. Perfect]

Seems that Trump is picking fallen rotting fruit as an issue.

Statements like this earlier make it relevant. Trump has gained popularity on the issue, so how is it rotten fruit? The only thing that makes sense is some sort of moral objection.

But as you pointed out, your own country is essentially a nation of Trumps. Opposed to illegal immigration.

So I'm wondering what your objection is based on. Why is Trump singled out for the established policy of your own country.