Europe

[Alexis]

I participated, for two years, in a successful counterinsurgency war in Angola, and I have a pretty good idea of how important it is to avoid antagonizing the local population.

I understand you are speaking of the 1962-1975 Portuguese war in Angola against independentist movements. However, this war did end the same way as the 1954-1962 French war in Algeria against independentists.

By "successful counterinsurgency", are you alluding to Portuguese troops winning "on the field" against insurgents? If so, please consider that French forces also won "on the field" and eradicated insurgents. Repeatedly. Then, once they were nearly eradicated in some place... they reconstituted in another. Because the battle for legitimacy had been lost. Hence the decision to throw in the towel. Didn't something similar happen for Portugal in Angola?

That doesn't seem to be any exception to the French in Spain or Algeria / Soviets in Afghanistan / Americans in Vietnam or Iraq / etc. etc. rule.

[YMix]

That doesn't seem to be any exception to the French in Spain or Algeria / Soviets in Afghanistan / Americans in Vietnam or Iraq / etc. etc. rule.

Soviets wherever. The root of Romania's longstanding hatred of Russians can be reduced to one word: occupation.

[Endovelico]

I participated, for two years, in a successful counterinsurgency war in Angola, and I have a pretty good idea of how important it is to avoid antagonizing the local population.

I understand you are speaking of the 1962-1975 Portuguese war in Angola against independentist movements. However, this war did end the same way as the 1954-1962 French war in Algeria against independentists.

By "successful counterinsurgency", are you alluding to Portuguese troops winning "on the field" against insurgents? If so, please consider that French forces also won "on the field" and eradicated insurgents. Repeatedly. Then, once they were nearly eradicated in some place... they reconstituted in another. Because the battle for legitimacy had been lost. Hence the decision to throw in the towel. Didn't something similar happen for Portugal in Angola?

That doesn't seem to be any exception to the French in Spain or Algeria / Soviets in Afghanistan / Americans in Vietnam or Iraq / etc. etc. rule.

Militarily, the war was totally won in Angola. The political decision to recognize the independence of Angola was the result of the 1974 coup in Lisbon. In 1974 only a handful of insurgents were still active inside Angola.

[Typhoon]

That doesn't seem to be any exception to the French in Spain or Algeria / Soviets in Afghanistan / Americans in Vietnam or Iraq / etc. etc. rule.

Soviets wherever. The root of Romania's longstanding hatred of Russians can be reduced to one word: occupation.

At the border passport control.

Officer: Name?

Foreigner: Ivan Muzhik.

Officer: Nationality?

Foreigner: Russian

Officer: Occupation?

Foreigner: No. Just visiting.

[Tip of the hat to a friend.]

[Mr. Perfect]

Amazing. Just amazing.

I'm in the "WTH were you guys thinking when you invaded Libya" camp. I remember being ridiculed when Q Boy was killed. You guys never got it. The fate of Qboy was never the question. Rather dead babies washing up in the surf.

I laid out chapter and verse why you shouldn't do it, and you guys couldn't wait to do it. You became little George Bushes, little Rumsfelds. Little Wolfowitzes. And it was remarkable how fast you did it. Lusting for the glory of war. Like a neocon.

Well we reap what we sow. You have no good options. There is no reset, no do over. And I see nobody is really learning any lessons.

Human misery is the only thing on the menu.

[YMix]

Mr Orban, who heads the anti-immigration Fidesz party and was in Brussels for talks, said Hungarians "were full of fear".

"People of Europe full of fear because they see that the European leaders, among them the prime ministers, are not able to control the situation."

During a tense press conference with European Parliament President Martin Schulz, the Hungarian leader said that "nobody would like to stay in Hungary, neither in Slovakia nor Poland nor Estonia.

"All of them would like to go to Germany," he said. "Our job is only to register them."

Mr Schulz countered: "What we are seeing for the time being is egoism instead of common European sense.

"To say 'yeah, you know we have refugees all over in Europe but they all want to go to Germany and therefore we are not concerned' is effective, but wrong. And therefore I think we need a fair and just distribution."

Tsk, tsk. The German dude complains of egoism.

[Alexis]

At the border passport control.

Officer: Name?

Foreigner: Ivan Muzhik.

Officer: Nationality?

Foreigner: Russian

Officer: Occupation?

Foreigner: No. Just visiting.

Yes. Also works with others. Here is the original PolandBall version.

[Mr. Perfect]

All the refugees should go to France.

[Heracleum Persicum]

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All the refugees should go to France.

Germany Industry, economy, very happy to take those (Christian) Syrian refugee .. German Industry has shortage of workers

Germany announced will take 800,000 .. but probably will take up to 2 million

Good for Germany


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[Heracleum Persicum]

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says a lot of posters on this fora .. nobody posted this clip although it is talk of the world last 24 hrs


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[Alexis]

All the refugees should go to France.

New Colossus, anyone?

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

says a lot of posters on this fora .. nobody posted this clip although it is talk of the world last 24 hrs

And what does it say about you ?

[Parodite]

says a lot of posters on this fora .. nobody posted this clip although it is talk of the world last 24 hrs.

It says more about you assuming this.

How do you connect those dots HP; that not posting this here proves that somebody doesn't care? You want to "prove" that you are the exception? Well you are exceptional.. in many ways. You are a Marvel Dot Connector. Dr. Dot!

Oh sorry Alexis. Honestly I overlooked you made that same point using even same words.

[Parodite]

Ymix/Alexis. Suppose it's the wrong thread to discuss wars and new territories in the ME, invading crusaders etc. What I envision could/should happen won't, it's even hardly possible theoretical hypothetical guesswork.

[Nonc Hilaire]

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says a lot of posters on this fora .. nobody posted this clip although it is talk of the world last 24 hrs


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Had not seen it before.

[noddy]

i actively avoid death porn because i find it disgusting and see no benefit in having watched it.

[Mr. Perfect]

i actively avoid death porn because i find it disgusting and see no benefit in having watched it.

Yeah.

And you guys really, really, really, really, really should not have invaded Libya. This is all on you.

Who was that brit that used to post here? Not TI, there was another one. Man, him and Ibs tried to hammer me on Libya. Boy, were they fundamentally and morally wrong.

This is on your heads.

[Mr. Perfect]

And I've changed my mind. 2/3 to France and 1/3 to Romania. Reports are that it is hard to find a nativist in Romania.

[Heracleum Persicum]

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And you guys really, really, really, really, really should not have invaded Libya. This is all on you.

Who was that brit that used to post here? Not TI, there was another one. Man, him and Ibs tried to hammer me on Libya. Boy, were they fundamentally and morally wrong.

This is on your heads.

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seconded


Said many times .. Qaddafi was as good as it gets .. but, NO, you guys wanted "FREE oil", not even metered.

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[YMix]

The Visegrad Group has issued a press statement:

Preserving the voluntary nature of EU solidarity measures – so that each Member State may build on its experience, best practices and available resources; principles agreed at the highest political level, including in European Council conclusions must be respected; any proposal leading to introduction of mandatory and permanent quota for solidarity measures would be unacceptable.

Former Czech President Václav Klaus: "The immigration crisis was created by the US and by Western Europe. Europe is committing suicide"

"The United States and some West European countries have created military conflicts in Iraq, Syria, Libya and Afghanistan. Without these wars, this huge migration wave would not have arisen. The European countries should have refused entry to any refugees whatsoever. Migration is not a natural human right. Believing that it is is a fatal error and if Europe continues to hold this belief, it will commit suicide. As you can see on television, these people are not impoverished unfortunates from conflict zones but young men in fancy clothing with mobile phones and IPads," said the Czech president Václav Klaus in Ostrava, Czech Republic, today, during the launch of a book by writer Václav Junek devoted to his genius.

Junek added: "Europe is betraying itself in an unprecedented way. In the past, we were able to talk to each other and to present a united front against Genghis Khan, the Arabs and the Turks. Nowadays, no rational power exists in Europe which would be capable of protecting the standards of living which we have reached and which we deserve. This is a total failure of the EU political leadership."

Klaus also strongly criticised the European Union for not defending the Schengen area: "For 18 months, smugglers' boats have been arriving at European shores with thousands of migrants and it was not until now that the EU has, with its typical 'decisiveness', decided to check them slightly more thoroughly from mid-September. Now Hungarian railway stations are besieged. When will this wave reach Prague? In a week? And no one does anything. This is stupid, silly, but also horrifying." Klaus added: "I have just read an excellent article in an Australian newspaper saying that Europe will be the first continent to commit suicide by political correctness. This is absolutely true." Klaus also suggested that the Czech Republic should leave the Schengen area temporarily.

[Former president of Romania]Băsescu: "Romania should refuse to receive migrants"

"My categorical answer is no. Romania should refuse to receive migrants. It's not our game, it's not our problem. If someone thinks that receiving several thousands of people coming from Syria, from Libya, from Northern Africa, I can tell you it's not just a matter of housing them. If you accept them on your territory, you must provide education, Romanian language courses, healthcare and means of maintaining their culture and customs. And you can forget about housing them for two years. I know how good the EU is at lying. They will bring their numerous families over," said Băsescu.

[Mr. Perfect]

Looks as though Europe is full of Nativist Trumps.

[YMix]

Migrants Cross Austria Border From Hungary

Send them all to Germany.

[Mr. Perfect]

Why not Romania. Surely you don't have nativists there.

[YMix]

Why not indeed? I think we can take in about 100,000 people and send them all to the Harghita and Covasna counties. I'm sure the secui will love them.

[Mr. Perfect]

One wonders why Romanians haven't made the offer. One wonders.

[YMix]

Don't wonder, ask: http://gov.ro/en/contact