COVID-19 and Other Pandemics | Anarchy in the USA

[noddy]

I was thinking of why this one is so interesting , its the reaction from governments.

we have had plenty of diseases pop up over the last decade, never before have 10's of millions of people been put into lock down during peak holiday season, never before have mass evacuations from western governments been organised like this.

I saw a news article in my browsing that indicated 13 of the original 40 cases did not have any linkages with the wet market, but I cant find it again now.

[Simple Minded]

That's all the proof I need. I've ordered our military to start loading the trebuchets, and we are going to DefCon2.

[Simple Minded]

I was thinking of why this one is so interesting , its the reaction from governments.

we have had plenty of diseases pop up over the last decade, never before have 10's of millions of people been put into lock down during peak holiday season, never before have mass evacuations from western governments been organised like this.

I saw a news article in my browsing that indicated 13 of the original 40 cases did not have any linkages with the wet market, but I cant find it again now.

yep, that's a very interesting take.

Meanwhile, no doubt US govt officials are panicking that the corona virus is sucking all the bandwidth away from the impeachment hearings.

No doubt part of Trump's plan. I can see the CNN headline now: Orange Man infects yellow man to hide white guilt.

[noddy]

Orange Man infects yellow man to hide white guilt.

heh.

Brown people worried that orange Man infects yellow man to hide white guilt over black man, whilst most women are blameless, except a white woman called Karen.

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Found the article.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-indic ... 35402.html

A report published in the medical journal The Lancet found that of 41 cases of the virus in Wuhan, China, only 13 were linked to the market, Science magazine reported.

The researchers also found that the first hospitalized case was not linked to the market.

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Orange Man infects yellow man to hide white guilt.

heh.

Brown people worried that orange Man infects yellow man to hide white guilt over black man, whilst most women are blameless, except a white woman called Karen.

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Found the article.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-indic ... 35402.html

A report published in the medical journal The Lancet found that of 41 cases of the virus in Wuhan, China, only 13 were linked to the market, Science magazine reported.

The researchers also found that the first hospitalized case was not linked to the market.

Putting the "red" in Red China

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And don't even get me started about Karen.

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https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/healt ... 408ad5655e

Doubts have been raised about the official death toll, however, with claims Chinese authorities have been cremating bodies in secret.

Chinese-language news outlet Initium interviewed people working at local cremation centres in Wuhan, who said bodies were being sent directly from hospitals without being properly identified and added to the official record.

as for the death rate - I saw a reasonable set of guess work that identifies it currently at about 15%, based on the figures released by the Chinese.

2 weeks of incubation, then 1 week into the illness is when the worst of the pnuemonia occurs, so as a rule, all the deaths are from folks infected 3 weeks prevoiusly.

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https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/healt ... 408ad5655e

Doubts have been raised about the official death toll, however, with claims Chinese authorities have been cremating bodies in secret.

Chinese-language news outlet Initium interviewed people working at local cremation centres in Wuhan, who said bodies were being sent directly from hospitals without being properly identified and added to the official record.

Then the only number we can reasonably sure of is the number of people that fought off the infection 126 and the original death rate of the first 41 cases -- 15%. The official number of deaths is still higher 133 than the confirmed survivors.

Stay safe

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A lot of this is due to believe by "the lost generation" in china's belief in traditional Chinese medicine. This is true of most if not all cultures in under developed countries and even in developed countries. Antivaxxers for example.

If you watched the God Father III Fredo was treated as a child by putting a piece of red thread on his forehead. This is called Santa Rosa in latin America. I have personally seen this practiced(red thread). In Africa it is widely believed that having sex with a virgin is a cure for aids. People have much less faith in modern medicine.
So people that put more faith in traditional medicine are more likely to avoid modern doctors and hospitals until they are very sick. The video of people falling down in the street may reflect that.

The new numbers are out for Hubei 7783 infected 177 confirmed deaths. 162 of them in Hubei. IFthose numbers were true (4586 for Hubei) it would be a possible sign that the rate of new infection was steady instead of rising. from Jan 27 to Jan 28 the rate of new infections in Hubei nearly doubled overnight with a multipler of 1.9 (1.29 from yesterday till today) Too bad we can't trust them.

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In the Laoway86 video I posted earlier he points out that there are plenty of hospitals in Hubei. I think there are 9,000 in just Wuhan. Yet the CCP is building 5,000 more in a few days. They have refused help from the US CDC but accepted help from the WHO. The WHO is much more politically malleable than the CDC. In fact the WHO said it has not declared a global health emergency because it would harm the world economy. The most likely reason (my opinion) is that the CDC will see the numbers are way to low and report it. Whereas the WHO might be convinced to look the other way.

The CCP is most likely lying about the numbers. Lying big about them. Chinese culturally believe that disaster is a message from the heavens that the leadership needs to be replaced.

In any event the leadership of China needs to be judged not by the heaven but by a tribunal for crimes against humanity. As this could easily end up killing 100 million people or more. Possibly multiple times more.

[noddy]

I wont say their is zero chance of me getting it but its pretty close to zero - Im an anti social bstard on the edge of burbia, going places with large numbers of bustling people is something I avoid at the best of times.

My only risky activity might be my addiction to authentic dimsum places, but Im sure I can avoid that for a few weeks.

[Doc]

I wont say their is zero chance of me getting it but its pretty close to zero - Im an anti social bstard on the edge of burbia, going places with large numbers of bustling people is something I avoid at the best of times.

My only risky activity might be my addiction to authentic dimsum places, but Im sure I can avoid that for a few weeks.

This likely won't get to bad for a couple of months outside of China. By that time you will know what happened in China and can proceed accordingly. Unless of course it mutates and there is a second go round.

"Nothing in life is so exhilarating as to be shot at without result." -- Winston Churchill

[Doc]

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/healt ... 408ad5655e

Doubts have been raised about the official death toll, however, with claims Chinese authorities have been cremating bodies in secret.

Chinese-language news outlet Initium interviewed people working at local cremation centres in Wuhan, who said bodies were being sent directly from hospitals without being properly identified and added to the official record.

Then the only number we can reasonably sure of is the number of people that fought off the infection 126 and the original death rate of the first 41 cases -- 15%. The official number of deaths is still higher 133 than the confirmed survivors.

Stay safe

aPvpfC7NfR0
RECcmQQQOj8

A lot of this is due to believe by "the lost generation" in china's belief in traditional Chinese medicine. This is true of most if not all cultures in under developed countries and even in developed countries. Antivaxxers for example.

If you watched the God Father III Fredo was treated as a child by putting a piece of red thread on his forehead. This is called Santa Rosa in latin America. I have personally seen this practiced(red thread). In Africa it is widely believed that having sex with a virgin is a cure for aids. People have much less faith in modern medicine.
So people that put more faith in traditional medicine are more likely to avoid modern doctors and hospitals until they are very sick. The video of people falling down in the street may reflect that.

The new numbers are out for Hubei 7783 infected 177 confirmed deaths. 162 of them in Hubei. IFthose numbers were true (4586 for Hubei) it would be a possible sign that the rate of new infection was steady instead of rising. from Jan 27 to Jan 28 the rate of new infections in Hubei nearly doubled overnight with a multipler of 1.9 (1.29 from yesterday till today) Too bad we can't trust them.

Hubeigraph.jpg

In the Laoway86 video I posted earlier he points out that there are plenty of hospitals in Hubei. I think there are 9,000 in just Wuhan. Yet the CCP is building 5,000 more in a few days. They have refused help from the US CDC but accepted help from the WHO. The WHO is much more politically malleable than the CDC. In fact the WHO said it has not declared a global health emergency because it would harm the world economy. The most likely reason (my opinion) is that the CDC will see the numbers are way to low and report it. Whereas the WHO might be convinced to look the other way.

And there it is:

Coronavirus: World Health Organization impressed with China's response

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The CCP is most likely lying about the numbers. Lying big about them. Chinese culturally believe that disaster is a message from the heavens that the leadership needs to be replaced.

In any event the leadership of China needs to be judged not by the heaven but by a tribunal for crimes against humanity. As this could easily end up killing 100 million people or more. Possibly multiple times more.
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[noddy]

thought of the day part the second.

As hilighted by napsters shitpost link on the Putin - the only places outside China with confirmed cases are the only places outside China that have first class medical facilities and who's economies wont collapse if tourism cops a pounding.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

I'm a bit slow on all the goings on surrounding this-- how do the symptoms differ from the flu exactly?

[noddy]

my understanding so far is its in the bad group of flu's that push alot of the population into pneumonia and extended high fever.

2 weeks to incubate during which you are already infectious via sneezing , then once the symptoms start, 1 week until the bad bits that require hospitalization.

so basically, flu on steroids and you will be fine if your local hospital has spare facilities for ventilators and fever management, less fine if your toughing it out at home and arent the healthiest to begin with.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

We are surrounded by flu victims at the moment. Yesterday, I helped my mother see her general practitioner who diagnosed it despite the flu vaccine she took. It's worrying considering her age and history of lung problems. I'm also pretty sure she was infected by my brother, who was incredibly ill approximately one and a half/two weeks ago. We all assumed this was just a nasty common cold...but it's relevant in so far as he works closely with Chinese nationals who would've been in and out of China before the quarantines and international media attention and all of that.

I don't intend this as paranoia that the two are related-- to start with, the incubation time is off considering when she was in physical proximity to him-- but it did get me to thinking that to a regular suburban doctor in the US, or Australia or anywhere; that without some pretty big tells (like the patient goes into the office and announces they were rolling around in the fish markets of Wuhan two weeks ago) there wouldn't be any reason to assume flu-like symptoms wasn't a common flu but connected to this thing happening in China.

[noddy]

yeh, unhealthy and in a big city it is definitely worth being aware of it all - im still a tad curious why all the governments have jumped on this one so much harder than any of the others - its absurd to shut down 50 million peoples worth of cities during holiday season, unprecedented.

still, you would assume most doctors have half an eye on the worse end of the flu sympton scale - laboured breathing, diarreah, bad fevers.

In this case, the earlier you get sick the better, before they run out of emergency beds.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

Well the draconian measures are certainly feeding the conspiracies that it is worse than anyone is letting on.

Paranoia is a two-way street, too. The CCP may be going overboard because they are paranoid by the social media response.

My memory is hazing but SARS and bird-flu were pre-social media/everyone has cameras and platforms...

...and I think about the ebola scare a few years ago with those things- it was a huge story with social media panic...the difference maybe being the nature of how ebola spreads and dies out/being sorta exotic vs everyone having experience with yearly colds/flu and knowing how easily they spread.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

The doom porn factor is really real, too. A vocal minority of people seem to be hoping for a Spanish flu event, if only outta boredom.

It gets me to thinking about how out of control and crazy people will get in the event of a real pandemic.

[noddy]

already, Chinese business's are copping it hard in all countries, especially Asian ones :/

not maliciously, just precautious folks choosing the options which dont have possible risks, such a natural choice we all make day to day but huge outcomes in the aggregate.

the doomer porn is expected but again, more elevated that SARS or MERS - especially in the news - the guardian is running a live , hourly update on this one, again unprecedented.

so hard to gauge, its impossible to know.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

It's the problem of knowing things like half-life outside the host.

[noddy]

Allegedly it has to be fresh snot - less than a few hours old, you have to be caught in a sneeze cloud or touch a recent one.

all this is debatable, its not like long term studies have been done, or they have enough testing to confirm all the working theories.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

Allegedly it has to be fresh snot - less than a few hours old, you have to be caught in a sneeze cloud or touch a recent one.

all this is debatable, its not like long term studies have been done, or they have enough testing to confirm all the working theories.

Right- and right now, I've come across doomers warnin' boomers that if someone farts and they can smell it, they're infected.

[noddy]

I can imagine the prepper community is awfully excited about being justified in their approach to life and is worst casing all possible outcomes

my cupboard always has tinned tuna, tinned beans and a bag of rice, its just a habit ingrained in a family thats lived too long in places with irregular food supplies.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

I've made peace with any catastrophe being, very likely, the end of me.

I'm too much of the city; I don't have the funds for survival; and I hate non-green beans. I get that in desperate times anything could happen; but living off of beans may be too much for me.

So, it's been a good run but I'm a goner.

[noddy]

im talking a week or so's worth, not zombie apocolypse amounts

the sort of thing that see's you through floods or power failures and other mundane realities.