Re: Yemen
Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:29 am
noddy is right that HP's going to the get the war he wants.
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you misunderstand.Heracleum Persicum wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 2:46 amnoddy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:47 pm usual story.
take out much of europes shipping with attacks on vessels that have nothing to do with israel, then play the victim when their are consequences.
blah blah blah blah, middle eastern half truths are gettign boring.
we are at war with the Russia/Iran, no point pretending otherwise, their are no games to be played from now on, doesnt matter who is right and who is wrong.
their will be escalation until a big event and then we will see what the anglosphere is capable of.
have already seen what europe is capable of, and thats very close to nothing - as bad as the arabs really, lots of big claims and stern warnings that go nowhere.
.. mostly true
US , America, Europe in war with Iran since 1978 .. everything what US and European did to Iran, according to UN charter and international law, is "an act of war" .. for much much less Japan bombed "pear Harbour, for much much less.
Confiscation sovereign funds, blockading Iranian oil sells, hindering free trade with Iran, killing Iranian scientist, sabotaging Iranian nuclear facilities, and and and .. each single one is an "act of war" according to International law.
So, noddy, you right, America and Europe is in full blast war with our beloved Persia
AND ?
Look where Iran was 40, 30, 20, 10 yrs ago and where Iran is now .. look at that
Meaning, West, America, lost the war with Persia
Now Iran is major power, strategic partner with mother Russia, in bed with China .. India now a close partner AND dependent on Iran (north south corridor -all Russian and central Asian goods will transit via Iran to India, and return - making India free from Western blackmail down the road), Turkey, lebanon, Syria, even Egypt now, Afghanistan coming back home. Pomegranates now at home in "central Asia", Tajik, Uzbeck, Kazak
noddy, does West, America really wants our beloved Persia as an ENMEY ? for what ? WHY ?
Iran building a "New Middle East" .. does West wants to be a friend or foe of the "new Middle East" ?
Re Yemen, West was hesitant to do anything, but my guess is US was fooled by Brits .. Brits don't have much NAVY and presence in ME, but America has 5th fleet in Bahrain and many exposed military bases.
Re Europe, Europe is a lost case, forget war :
Macron appoints gay French PM’s ex-partner as foreign minister
French PM is gay and his gay ex partner is the new French foreign minister
mad mullahs can't stop laughing
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I hope im not right but it appears the momentum is too much now, Putin is all in, Iran is all in.NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:29 am noddy is right that HP's going to the get the war he wants.
noddy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 5:25 amyou misunderstand.Heracleum Persicum wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 2:46 amnoddy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:47 pm usual story.
take out much of europes shipping with attacks on vessels that have nothing to do with israel, then play the victim when their are consequences.
blah blah blah blah, middle eastern half truths are gettign boring.
we are at war with the Russia/Iran, no point pretending otherwise, their are no games to be played from now on, doesnt matter who is right and who is wrong.
their will be escalation until a big event and then we will see what the anglosphere is capable of.
have already seen what europe is capable of, and thats very close to nothing - as bad as the arabs really, lots of big claims and stern warnings that go nowhere.
.. mostly true
US , America, Europe in war with Iran since 1978 .. everything what US and European did to Iran, according to UN charter and international law, is "an act of war" .. for much much less Japan bombed "pear Harbour, for much much less.
Confiscation sovereign funds, blockading Iranian oil sells, hindering free trade with Iran, killing Iranian scientist, sabotaging Iranian nuclear facilities, and and and .. each single one is an "act of war" according to International law.
So, noddy, you right, America and Europe is in full blast war with our beloved Persia
AND ?
Look where Iran was 40, 30, 20, 10 yrs ago and where Iran is now .. look at that
Meaning, West, America, lost the war with Persia
Now Iran is major power, strategic partner with mother Russia, in bed with China .. India now a close partner AND dependent on Iran (north south corridor -all Russian and central Asian goods will transit via Iran to India, and return - making India free from Western blackmail down the road), Turkey, lebanon, Syria, even Egypt now, Afghanistan coming back home. Pomegranates now at home in "central Asia", Tajik, Uzbeck, Kazak
noddy, does West, America really wants our beloved Persia as an ENMEY ? for what ? WHY ?
Iran building a "New Middle East" .. does West wants to be a friend or foe of the "new Middle East" ?
Re Yemen, West was hesitant to do anything, but my guess is US was fooled by Brits .. Brits don't have much NAVY and presence in ME, but America has 5th fleet in Bahrain and many exposed military bases.
Re Europe, Europe is a lost case, forget war :
Macron appoints gay French PM’s ex-partner as foreign minister
French PM is gay and his gay ex partner is the new French foreign minister
mad mullahs can't stop laughing
.
what I want has nothing to do with anything - all the pieces in play at the moment started before most of us were born - you still harp on about every crime going back to the crusades.
Iran is our enemy, it is doing everything it can to get back at the west for these crimes , Russia is the drunken old fool, spotting a moment it can be relevant again before it fades away to nothing.
these are the facts, no point in worrying about them , the war has started, it will nearly be impossible to stop it and nobody really wants to stop it.
Europe has gone to sleep, it thought trade with Russia and Asia would stop war, it gave up all wartime production, knowing the Americans would cover the difference - they realise how stupid that is now, but its too late, they wont have enough production to make a difference before 10 years time.
The UK, almost as bad, but not quite - probably still has just enough spunk left in it for one more round of war time economy, like Russia.
America probably does need to throw the hail mary, one last chance at glory, I dont think they are ready to fade away and become Argentina.. yet.
NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:29 am
noddy is right that HP's going to the get the war he wants.
noddy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 11:09 pm Russia bombs the lavender out of Ukraine, "why is the west starting this war"
Iran attacks boats in the red sea, "why is the west starting this war"
blah blah blah
all of the brics aligned countries can trade with eachother, make a new world economy, sanction against the west, these all fair game and I will support them.
the moment you start wars, you get wars, its really simple, stop saying half truths.,
In World War II, why did the Wehrmacht command order 100 Russians shot for every German soldier killed by partisans?
noddy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2024 12:44 am we dont disagree.
this is the new world order, europe is irrelevant and the anglosphere is fading - the world is moving to a multi mafia model.
all the middle east full of anger at history will attack the west, the west will respond.
war is inevitable, guaranteed.
Europe split over US, UK strikes on Houthis in Yemen
ROME/PARIS/MADRID/ABOARD AIR FORCE ONE, Jan 12 (Reuters) - Italy, Spain and France stood out on Friday by not taking part in U.S. and British strikes against the Houthi group in Yemen and not signing a statement put out by 10 countries justifying the attacks.
The divergence highlights divisions in the West over how to deal with the Iranian-backed Houthis, who have been targeting civilian ships in the Red Sea for weeks in what they say is a protest against Israel's military campaign in the Gaza Strip.
Parodite wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2024 2:15 pm Humans have many more reasons to be angry and violent than animals who just fight over territory, power, food and sex i.e. "reproduction rights". Human still same animal as all other animals but extend those instincts with ideology, religion, morality and ethics etc. that all grow on the same stem, having same "soul" as animal instincts.
HP illusion that all misery in ME is caused by West is very childlike. Without Animal West, ME will continue be animals and fight over territory, power, food, resources and sex just like everybody else did and does everywhere on planet earth.
Parodite wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2024 2:15 pm
Mobs and tribes indeed. There is healthy logic to tribal mob psychology. Houthi angry man apparently has reason to attack my (Western) vessels with valuable cargo: that is old fashion declaration of war. Answer it with declaring war on Yemen and Iran. They have been begging for it way too long and their needs have to be served at one point.
West survival depends on willingness to answer declarations of war with war. Naively believe that a little warning here or there, some more restraint "will prevent worse" is a luxury that can no longer be afforded. A wounded West not responding in kind to restore order is a sure route to WW3 and a nuclear Holocaust.
Parodite wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2024 2:15 pm
One thing I completely agree with HP: West should mind own business and get out where it is not wanted. I just want to add to that: also exclude those *we* don't want to deal with.
Even if Iran wasn't effing around with its anti-West/Israel proxies Hamas, Hezbollah, factions in Syria, Houthi angry men and instead minded its own business... I would still stay as far away as possible from them. No business, no diplomacy, no friendly conversations because of the nature of their theocratic, dictatorial, Islamo-fascist medieval mindset.
Parodite wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2024 2:15 pm
Includes complete economic disengagement from countries that have crossed the red line: Russia, China. No diplomacy, no business, nada, nothing.
Agreement with Americans fed-up wasting money on foreign situations. Western Europe needs its own Fat Army spending minimal 6% of GDP on defense. Alliance with USA can still continue but no longer in NATO format. More like historical friends who can ask each other for help in times of dire need.
Yemen's latest threat, which is more serious and costly than hitting ships or firing missiles at Israel, Yemen announced that it will cut off the Red Sea Internet cable if the bombing of Yemen by American and British fighters continues.
If such a threat is carried out, its results will be even more destructive than the explosion of the Gazperm Strait pipeline that cut off Russian gas to Germany and Europe, because not only the global trade of the United States and Europe will be paralyzed, but also many of NATO's military relations with Europe and The war in Ukraine, which takes place over the Internet, will also be disrupted.
NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:29 am
noddy is right that HP's going to the get the war he wants.
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Article 5
The key section of the treaty is Article 5. Its commitment clause defines the casus foederis. It commits each member state to consider an armed attack against one member state, in the areas defined by Article 6, to be an armed attack against them all. Upon such attack, each member state is to assist by taking "such action as [the member state] deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area." The article has only been invoked once, but considered in a number of other cases.