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Anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism in Iran: the role of identity processes
Rusi Jaspal
University of Nottingham


Anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism constitute two important ideological building blocks of the
Islamic Republic of Iran. Yet, there is no existing research into the psychosocial motives
underlying the manifestation of anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism at the institutional level in Iran.
Here it is argued that there is much heuristic and predictive value in applying tenets of identity
process theory (IPT), a socio-psychological model of identity threat and action, to the primarily
socio-historical literature on anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism in Iran. The paper provides a
summary of anti-Semitism, anti-Zionism and ‘new anti-Semitism’ and IPT. The substantive
section of the paper explores (i) how anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism may restore feelings of
belonging in the Muslim world and beyond; (ii) the inter-relations between ingroup and outgroup
self-efficacy; (iii) the psychosocial motivation to maintain Shiite ideology and Khomeini’s
legacy; and (iv) the construction of Jews and Israel in terms of a threat to group continuity. It is
suggested that insights into the motivational principles underlying anti-Semitism and anti-
Zionism at the institutional level may inform empirical research into social representations of
Jews and Israel in Iran. More broadly, this paper highlights the potential contribution of social
psychology to existing work on anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism in the humanities.

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That's great. The Iranian regime is institutionally anti-Semitic, and the coalition government of Israel today is institutionally anti-Islamic, and contains parties that openly loath and advocate the annihilation of all non-the-right-kind-of-Jews in the world.



Anti-Zionism? Is that even a problem? Or must you believe that Jews have a special right to seize land from Arabs in order to be Politically Correct?



Rhapsody wrote:For those who want to understand Azari
If you assert that Azari's rhetoric can only be motivated by Iranian anti-Semitism then are you also tacitly admitting something about your motivations?
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YMix ,

why this in ME & Muslim ? ?

the slightest mentioning of Iran by Azari, and the post is transferred to Iran Thread

and

I will not answer to rubbish by Rhapsy, he following Pasta footstep to copy and past lavender out of
internet .. without Iranians, Jews would be now good Christians :lol:

and

Rhaspy, please post only from AAA surces , NYT, WSJ, CSM, BBC and and .. ohterwise I can google Rhaspy this and that and will find 20 articles saying Rhaspy this and that

Did WSJ or NYT or CSM say Iranians anti Jew ? ?

NO

and

Yes,

true,

90% of the world population is anti Zionist, including Iran, including Azari and including most posters here (they just not saying so) .. pretty much everybody is anti Zionist

let go of that rubbish

but

here some fun stuff :lol: :lol:


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Ibrahim wrote:That's great. The Iranian regime is institutionally anti-Semitic,
It is an important theme of the Iranian government since the Islamic revolution. The article investigates how that may work.
and the coalition government of Israel today is institutionally anti-Islamic, and contains parties that openly loath and advocate the annihilation of all non-the-right-kind-of-Jews in the world.
Sounds like an interesting thread.

Anti-Zionism? Is that even a problem?
Not a problem, just in interesting topic where some people will claim it is very different from anti-Semitism, some that there is no difference and others that they can merge or overlap.
Or must you believe that Jews have a special right to seize land from Arabs in order to be Politically Correct?
Some believe that, others don't.
Rhapsody wrote:For those who want to understand Azari
If you assert that Azari's rhetoric can only be motivated by Iranian anti-Semitism then are you also tacitly admitting something about your motivations?
Nice rhetoric, but no. I don't think he is only motivated by Iranian anti-Semitism but it is certainly part of his package.
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AzariLoveIran wrote:I will not answer to rubbish by Rhapsy
You are now :D
, he following Pasta footstep to copy and past lavender out of internet ..
LOL.. says the man who champions in just doing that...

without Iranians, Jews would be now good Christians :lol:
Yes a another laughable remark... added to your very long list..

[snip more drivel]
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Some history and context: The Jews of Iran.

From Project ALADIN.

Like all minorities everywhere, the Jews of Iran experienced good times and bad times.

The Jewish community in Iran is among the oldest in the world. The first Jewish settlements near Ekbatana (Hamadan, western Iran) and Susa (southwest Iran) date to 721 BC. Jews fleeing persecution under the rule of the Assyrian King Nabuchadadnezzar II settled in Isfahan around 680BC.

In 539 BC, Cyrus the Great, the founder of the Achaemenian Empire, conquered Babylon and allowed the exiled Jews to go home and reconstruct the temple of Jerusalem. Some chose to remain and a movement of migration deeper into Persia began.

Jews in ancient Persia mostly lived in their own communities. Persian Jewish lived in the ancient (and until the mid-20th century still extant) communities not only of Iran, but of present-day Azerbaijan, Kirgizstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and north-western India. Scholars believe that during the peak of the Persian Empire, Jews may have comprised as much as 20% of the population.

According to Encyclopædia Britannica: "The Jews trace their heritage in Iran to the Babylonian Exile of the 6th century BC and, like the Armenians, have retained their ethnic, linguistic, and religious identity." But the Library of Congress's country study on Iran states that "Over the centuries the Jews of Iran became physically, culturally, and linguistically indistinguishable from the non-Jewish population. The overwhelming majority of Jews speak Persian as their mother language, and a tiny minority, Kurdish."

The Achaemenian rulers of Persia treated their conquered subjects leniently and a significant number of Jews rose to prominence in the imperial Persian court. History has retained the names of Zerubbabel, Erza, Nehemiah, Daniel, "Mordecai the Jew" and his niece Esther.

Alexander's conquest and domination of the Persian Empire did not radically change the situation of the Jewish communities in Persia. The next rulers of Persia, the Parthians, ruled the country for five centuries and gave the Jews broad religious, cultural or even legal autonomy. Jewish chronicles mention the Parthian period as one of the best in their history. Centres of Jewish life in the Parthian Empire were situated in Mesopotamia, in Nisibis and Nehardea. According to Jewish records, Jews enjoyed a long period of peace and maintained close and positive contacts with the ruling Parthians. Jews fought on the side of the Parthians against the Roman armies and took an active part in organizing the silk trade, an advantage they owed to the support of the Parthian kings.

The fall of Parthian dynasty and the rise of the Sassanids ushered in five centuries of repressive policies with regard to religious minorities. Most Sassanid kings promoted Zoroastrianism in the empire and persecuted other religious communities. As a result, Jews and other religious minorities suffered. But while much is known about the Christian, Manichean and Mazdaean persecutions, the persecution in the Jewish records appears only in the fifth century. It must also be noted that in the wars between Rome and the Sassanid kings, the Jews, unlike Christians, were decidedly loyal to the Persian king.

In the mid-seventh century, Persia became a province of the Arab-Muslim Empire. The Arab conquest substituted a state religion for another, but for Jews it was a step forward. As dhimmis, they enjoyed, as elsewhere under the rule of Islam, an inferior but protected status. Their economic role was not negligible. Jews in Persia were artisans, shopkeepers, merchants and manufacturers, and the growing urbanization of the Muslim East and the growth of international trade contributed to the emergence of a new class of wealthy Jewish merchants in urban centres like Baghdad, Ahvaz, Isfahan and Shiraz. During these early centuries of Muslim domination, social unrest and religious turmoil in Persia also affected the Jewish communities.

Muslim treatment of the religious minorities varied in accordance with the policies of the caliphs and attitudes of different governors. While the Umayyad governor of Iran, Hajjaj, was ruthless in persecution of non-Muslims, others were more lenient and did not follow all the discriminatory rules. There were many Christian, Jewish and Zoroastrian philosophers, physicians, scientists, musicians and administrators in the first century of the Muslim Empire. The rise of the Abbasid caliphate improved the situation of the dhimmi for a while, especially during the reign of Al Mansur. He was a devoted follower of the sciences and supported the great translation movement of the eighth century. Thousands of books were translated into Arabic from Greek, Hebrew, Persian and other languages. Iranian Jews at the time were writing dari (new Persian) in Hebrew characters.

In the twelfth century, Iranian Jews were largely involved in trade. The Jewish traveller Benjamin of Tuleda reported large Jewish and Christian communities in many of the larger cities when he visited Iran in 1157 and mentioned Jewish communities in Hamadan, Isfahan, Nahavand, Shiraz, Nishapur and Baghdad. On the whole there appears to have been little discrimination against the dhimmis other than the usual restrictions. In one incident a prominent Jew, Abu Sad Samha, successfully made a claim against Abu Shuja, the minster responsible for dhimmis. He claimed Abu Shuja had failed to protect the Jews and managed to get the Minster sacked.

In 1258, the conquest of Baghdad by the Mongols of Hulagu Khan ended the Abbasid caliphate and dramatically changed the life of Jewish communities in the region. Those were good years for the Jews of Persia, more present than ever in the economy and political affairs of the empire, and quite at ease in their cultural environment to lay the foundations for a rich literature. For the first time a substantial Judeo-Persian literature emerged.

The advent of the Safavid kings (1501), who made Shiite Islam Iran's official religion, created a dramatic new turn. Massacres and forced conversions were now the lot of Persian Jews, whose population declined sharply to less than 100,000 people. The Safavids established a rigid religious hierarchy with unlimited power and influence in every sphere of life. Jewish chronicles from this period are full of accounts of massacre, forced conversion into Islam and mistreatment. All relations between Iranian Jews and others outside the country were severed. Christians and Zoroastrians were subjected to the same harsh treatments and Sunnis suffered most. Segregation became a reality again for all minorities and Jewish ghettos were reinforced. Jews were forced to wear both a yellow badge and a headgear, and their oaths were not accepted in courts of justice. Any Jew who converted to Islam would be recognized as the sole inheritor of the family estate, to the exclusion of all Jewish relatives.

The Qajar dynasty (1794 - 1925) continued the repressive and intolerant policies of the Safavids and the Jewish community in Iran saw little change until the nineteenth century. In 1839, the Qajar king, Muhammad Shah, ordered the entire Jewish community in the city of Mashad to convert to Islam. Europeans powers intervened for the first time and the decree was reversed.

European pressure on the Iranian government also led to the opening of the first modern Jewish school in 1891 by a royal decree from Nasser-Eddin Shah. Teachers and students had to be escorted by the police to stop Shiite zealots from attacking them.

The end of the nineteenth century witnessed a fundamental change in Iran with the advent of the Constitutional Revolution. Jewish political activists, along with other minorities, actively participated in the movement. They were instrumental in forming the first multiethnic Secret Society of 1905, which began the debate on political change. Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians and reformist Muslims fought hard in the ranks of the constitutionalists to form a National Consultative Assembly instead of an Islamic Majlis, as demanded by the religious hierarchy. Along with other religious minorities they succeeded in their efforts to ratify laws that gave equality to Muslim and non-Muslim (male) citizens and defined a new concept of citizenship not based on religious and ethnic identity. The 1906 constitution recognized Jews as a religious minority and allocated a seat in the Iranian parliament to a representative elected by the country's Jewish community.

In 1925, the advent of the Pahlavis changed the course of Iranian history. Reza Khan (1878 - 1944), the founder of the dynasty, was an officer in the Iranian army. A talented, ambitious and politically astute man, he ascended to the throne in December 1925. His rise to power marked a new era not only for the Iranian people, but also for the Jews of Iran. Under Reza Shah, the economic situation of the Jews improved. All discriminatory laws and decrees were repealed. Jews and members of other religious minorities could join the army, enrol in government schools, and live wherever they wanted. The ghettos (mahalleh) were a thing of the past.

Jews wanted to integrate themselves into Iranian society at all costs and identify with the symbols of secular nationalism, but they also wanted to remain Jewish. They loved Persian poetry and literature, appreciated Persian music and celebrated national holidays with genuine joy. They abandoned their Jewish names for Iranian names and glorified Iran's pre-Islamic past. The secular nationalist tendency, at least from the standpoint of historical and cultural consciousness, seemed to have paved the way for a rapprochement between Jews and the Iranian people.

For political reasons related to Iran's relations with the Soviet Union and Britain, Reza Shah decided to foster a closer relationship with Nazi Germany in the 1930s. Commercial and cultural ties between the two countries grew rapidly and numerous German engineers and technicians arrived in Iran to work on industrial and construction projects.

Nazi propaganda carried on Radio Berlin's Persian service emphasized the Aryan origins of the two peoples and called Jews "the inferior race" and "blood suckers of humanity." Local fascist and extreme right-wing groups collaborated with the Nazis, and all this exacerbated tensions between Jews and Muslims.

When U.S., Soviet and British forces occupied Iran in autumn 1941, the eldest son of Reza Shah, Mohammad Reza, succeeded his father. The occupation of Iran (1941-1946) marked the beginning of one of the most dynamic periods in the country's modern history. Like other composites of Iranian society, Jews resumed their political activities: they founded clubs, organized training groups and published their own newspapers. Many Persian Jews helped the "Tehran Children" and other Russian and Polish Jewish refugees who were escaping Nazi persecution by going to the British mandate of Palestine through Iran.

Iranian Jews lived through a happy and prosperous period after the Second World War and until the advent of the Islamic revolution in 1979. The Islamic Republic, hostile to the State of Israel, looked on Iranian Jews with suspicion. By the end of 2000, Islamic revolutionary courts had executed almost twenty Jews. The constitution of 1979, however, recognized the Jews as a religious minority and granted them a seat in Parliament. Iranian Jews have their own organizations, including Anjoman Kalimiyane Tehran (The Jewish Society of Tehran), which publishes a periodical, Persian Bina.

From early 1978 until the year 2000, more than 60,000 Jews left Iran, mostly from Tehran. Most of them have settled in the United States. An estimated 30,000 Jews still live in Iran today, the largest Jewish community in the Muslim world.
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What per cent of Infidels like Muslims.........

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AzariLoveIran wrote:.

YMix ,

why this in ME & Muslim ? ?

the slightest mentioning of Iran by Azari, and the post is transferred to Iran Thread

and

I will not answer to rubbish by Rhapsy, he following Pasta footstep to copy and past lavender out of
internet .. without Iranians, Jews would be now good Christians :lol:

and

Rhaspy, please post only from AAA surces , NYT, WSJ, CSM, BBC and and .. ohterwise I can google Rhaspy this and that and will find 20 articles saying Rhaspy this and that

Did WSJ or NYT or CSM say Iranians anti Jew ? ?

NO

and

Yes,

true,

90% of the world population is anti Zionist, including Iran, including Azari and including most posters here (they just not saying so) .. pretty much everybody is anti Zionist

let go of that rubbish

but

here some fun stuff :lol: :lol:


Halaal Condom.jpg



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Thank you Very Much for your post, Azari.
90% of the world population is anti Zionist,
What per cent of the World Infidels really like Muslims especially WWMD ;) Muslims.......... :twisted:

FTM

I don't recall the Chinese being all that Anti-Zionist when they have some tech to sell..........

Likewise the Indians..........

Even I am not anti-Zionist..... :shock: :lol:

Just think Zion needs to ultimately be moved off world...........

Because depraved killer apes with a sinful nature usually don't like other depraved killer apes with even a slightly different sinful nature

And the Jews are G_d's Peculiar ;) People :lol:

Orion Must Rise...........
Or something similar.........
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Parodite wrote:
Ibrahim wrote:That's great. The Iranian regime is institutionally anti-Semitic,
It is an important theme of the Iranian government since the Islamic revolution. The article investigates how that may work.
Sort of old news isn't it?


and the coalition government of Israel today is institutionally anti-Islamic, and contains parties that openly loath and advocate the annihilation of all non-the-right-kind-of-Jews in the world.
Sounds like an interesting thread.
Several actually.


Anti-Zionism? Is that even a problem?
Not a problem, just in interesting topic where some people will claim it is very different from anti-Semitism, some that there is no difference and others that they can merge or overlap.
Neat.

Or must you believe that Jews have a special right to seize land from Arabs in order to be Politically Correct?
Some believe that, others don't.
Neat.


Rhapsody wrote:For those who want to understand Azari
If you assert that Azari's rhetoric can only be motivated by Iranian anti-Semitism then are you also tacitly admitting something about your motivations?
Nice rhetoric, but no.
Are you referring to my rhetoric or yours?
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Iran’s Vice President Makes Anti-Semitic Speech at Forum

TEHRAN — Iran’s vice president delivered a baldly anti-Semitic speech on Tuesday at an international antidrug conference here, saying that the Talmud, a central text of Judaism, was responsible for the spread of illegal drugs around the world.

[..]

Mr. Rahimi, second in line to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said the Talmud teaches to “destroy everyone who opposes the Jews.”

The “Zionists” are in firm control of the illegal drug trade, Mr. Rahimi said, asking foreign dignitaries to research his claims. “Zionists” is Iran’s ideological term for Jews who support the state of Israel.

“The Islamic Republic of Iran will pay for anybody who can research and find one single Zionist who is an addict,” Mr. Rahmini said. “They do not exist. This is the proof of their involvement in drugs trade.”

[..]

Mr. Rahimi, who spoke after Mr. De Leo, told stories of gynecologists’ killing black babies on the orders of the Zionists and claimed that the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917 was started by Jews, adding that mysteriously, no Jews died in that uprising.

[..]

He also said the Talmud teaches Jews to think that they are a superior race. “They think God has created the world so that all other nations can serve them,” he said. Halfway through his speech, Mr. Rahimi said there was a difference between Jews who “honestly follow the prophet Moses” and the Zionists, who are “the main elements of the international drugs trade.”
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Parodite wrote:.
Iran’s Vice President Makes Anti-Semitic Speech at Forum

TEHRAN — Iran’s vice president delivered a baldly anti-Semitic speech on Tuesday at an international antidrug conference here, saying that the Talmud, a central text of Judaism, was responsible for the spread of illegal drugs around the world.

[..]

Mr. Rahimi, second in line to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said the Talmud teaches to “destroy everyone who opposes the Jews.”

The “Zionists” are in firm control of the illegal drug trade, Mr. Rahimi said, asking foreign dignitaries to research his claims. “Zionists” is Iran’s ideological term for Jews who support the state of Israel.

“The Islamic Republic of Iran will pay for anybody who can research and find one single Zionist who is an addict,” Mr. Rahmini said. “They do not exist. This is the proof of their involvement in drugs trade.”

[..]

Mr. Rahimi, who spoke after Mr. De Leo, told stories of gynecologists’ killing black babies on the orders of the Zionists and claimed that the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917 was started by Jews, adding that mysteriously, no Jews died in that uprising.

[..]

He also said the Talmud teaches Jews to think that they are a superior race. “They think God has created the world so that all other nations can serve them,” he said. Halfway through his speech, Mr. Rahimi said there was a difference between Jews who “honestly follow the prophet Moses” and the Zionists, who are “the main elements of the international drugs trade.”
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YMix .. this a repeat of The Talmud and Double Standards , debated extensively

and

Rhapsy ,

you suggesting saying the truth that Talmud says Maria was a hooker (If confused can quote the page #) is anti Semitic ? ?

come on

Not the Iranians, but the Jewish Rabbi themselves say Talmud is satanic .. read that thread

How come when you say Moh was a pedophile, nobody objects, but when Talmud quoted as saying this and that one becomes anti-Semite ?



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Well, Rhaspy

Iranian VP answers your accusation :

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Recently, Iranian First Vice President Mohammad Reza Rahimi made international news when he claimed that, “The spread of narcotics in the world emanates from the teachings of the Talmud… whose objective is the destruction of the world.” Rahimi’s claim drew criticism from all of the usual sources.


Ban Ki-moon, the secretary general of the United Nations, “deeply regret[ted]” Rahimi’s statement, calling it “anti-Semitic” and an expression of “hatred and religious intolerance.” More predictably, Israel’s Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman attacked the entire Iranian government as a bunch of “anti-Semitic fanatics” who seek the destruction of Israel.

Missing from all of the criticism of Vice President Rahimi was any recognition of the fact that the Talmud, which the Jewish Encyclopedia describes as the heart of the Jewish people, is a document which has been an object of contention among the Jewish people for virtually its entire history. Both Jews and former Jews have denounced it in language that makes what Vice President Rahimi said seem mild by comparison.

Heinrich Graetz, the father of Jewish historiography, denounced the Talmud as responsible for the moral corruption of Polish Jews (which is to say, the overwhelming number of Jews in the world as of mid-19th century when he wrote his book) in his magnum opus, The History of the Jews. Jews imbibed “A love of twisting, distorting, ingenious quibbling, and a foregone antipathy to what did not lie within their field of vision” from studying the Talmud. “Pride in their knowledge of the Talmud. . .” Graetz continued, “undermined their moral sense” (Heinrich Graetz, History of the Jews, pp. 5-6). By reading the Talmud, these Jews “found pleasure and a sort of triumphant delight in deception and cheating. (Graetz, History of the Jews, pp. 5-6). According to Graetz, Talmudic study had a corrupting influence on Jewish morals:

“To twist a phrase out of its meaning, to use all the tricks of the clever advocate, to ply upon words, and to condemn what they did not know . . . such were the characteristics of the Polish Jew. . . . Honesty and right-thinking he lost as completely as simplicity and truthfulness. He made himself master of all the gymnastics of the Schools and applied them to obtain advantage over any one more cunning than himself. He took delight in cheating and overreaching, which gave him a sort of joy of victory. But his own people he could not treat that way: they were as knowing as he. It was the non-Jew who, to his loss, felt the consequences of the Talmudically trained mind of the Polish Jew.”

Does that mean that the Father of Jewish historiography was an anti-Semite? If so, he is one of a long line of anti-Semitic Jewish thinkers who had nothing good to say about the Talmud and the rabbinic culture which it created.

Before Heinrich Graetz, there was Solomon Maimon, who escaped from the shtetl in “darkest Lithuania” to find refuge in Berlin, where his memoirs were published. Maimon, it should be noted, was a Talmudic scholar by the age of 11, an achievement which won him numerous marriage proposals from Jewish parents hoping to marry their daughters off to an elite member of the Jewish community. Maimon knew that the Talmud was the operating system for the Jewish despotism that oppressed the overwhelming majority of Jews who lived in the Pale of the Settlement. Solomon Maimon characterized “the subjects of the Talmud” as “dry and mostly unintelligible to a child.” The shul wasn’t much better than its curriculum.

Jewish children from the pale were “imprisoned from morning till night” in “a small smoky hut,” where “the children are scattered, some on benches, some on the bare earth” (p. 31). Then as now, when “children are doomed in the bloom of youth to such an infernal school, it may be easily imagined with what joy and rapture they look forward to their release” (Solomon Maimon, The Autobiography of Solomon Maimon (London: East and West Library, 1954), p. 35).

And then there is the testimony of ex-rabbis against the Talmud, a tradition that goes back to the 13th century, when Nicholas Donin met with Pope Gregory IX and explained its blasphemies to him. The pope was shocked to learn that the Talmud portrayed Jesus Christ as the son of a whore and a Roman soldier who was now in hell buried up to his neck in burning excrement. When the initial shock wore off, the pope ordered the Talmud to be put on trial and burned if found guilty.

During these trials, which continued throughout Europe for centuries, it was the ex-rabbis, who were the prosecuting attorneys. They knew the Talmud’s blasphemies inside out and they knew that the rabbis couldn’t defend this book. One rabbi asked if it were true that the Talmud portrayed Jesus as a bastard and his mother as a whore, said that it was referring to another Jesus and Mary, prompting one scholar to say this was the beginning of Jewish humor.


The Jews who reject the Talmud and the rabbinic tyranny it enables span the entire history of Jewish thought and the entire spectrum of Jewish thought today. It has been criticized by groups as diverse as the Coen Brothers and Neturei Karta. In their recent film, A Serious Man, the Coen Brothers, two of the most highly regarded Jewish directors in Hollywood today, characterize Talmudic studies as something even more stultifying than what Solomon Maimon had to endure. A Serious Man is one of the most anti-Jewish films that Hollywood has ever produced. It makes Jud Suess look like Fiddler on the Roof by comparison. And yet no one has denounced the Coen brothers for their attack on the Talmud or the tyranny which it exerts over the Jewish people or the moral corruption it continues to spread.


And why is that ? The obvious answer is that there is a double standard now regnant throughout the entire world which prohibits the goyim from mentioning what the Jews freely say to each other. The less obvious answer is that we have all become subject to the same rabbinic tyranny which subjugated the Jews in the shtetl. The new name for that Talmudic tyranny is world finance or banking, or to put it simply, usury.

One of the prophet Nehemiah’s most striking condemnations of his fellow Jews was “Ye exact usury, every one of his brother” (Nehemiah, vi, 15). Werner Sombart explains this passage in Scripture by claiming that the Jews “were divided into two sections, an upper wealthy class, which became rich by money-lending, and the great mass of agricultural labourers whom they exploited.

This state of affairs must have continued, in spite of Nehemiah and other reformers, throughout the whole history of the Jews in Palestine and Babylon. We need only refer to the Talmud for proof. . . . After the Torah, nothing occupies so much space [in the Talmud] as money lending” (Werner Sombart, The Jews and Modern Capitalism [New Brunswick, NJ: Transaction Books, 1982], p. 308). So we’re all Jews now because of capitalism, which is state-sponsored usury. But we’re all little Jews now, who are not allowed to say in public what the big important money-lending Jews say to each other in private.

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well ,

let's see whether all those attacking and ridiculing Koran have the balls to debate Talmud

Milo, you go first , Monster you please follow

and

B4 I 4get

Please somebody send this to David Goldman for his enlightenment about Talmud

would love if one of you guys posts this (link to this) in ATOL & FT .. let's see what Pasta or Charlestone have to say

Merry hooker Jesus bastard ? ? ? Pfui

what kind of goulash is that "Judea-Christo" alliance, folks ! ! ! ! :lol: :D :)



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AzariLoveIran wrote:.

Well, Rhaspy

Iranian VP answers your accusation :

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Recently, Iranian First Vice President Mohammad Reza Rahimi made international news when he claimed that, “The spread of narcotics in the world emanates from the teachings of the Talmud… whose objective is the destruction of the world.” Rahimi’s claim drew criticism from all of the usual sources.


Ban Ki-moon, the secretary general of the United Nations, “deeply regret[ted]” Rahimi’s statement, calling it “anti-Semitic” and an expression of “hatred and religious intolerance.” More predictably, Israel’s Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman attacked the entire Iranian government as a bunch of “anti-Semitic fanatics” who seek the destruction of Israel.

Missing from all of the criticism of Vice President Rahimi was any recognition of the fact that the Talmud, which the Jewish Encyclopedia describes as the heart of the Jewish people, is a document which has been an object of contention among the Jewish people for virtually its entire history. Both Jews and former Jews have denounced it in language that makes what Vice President Rahimi said seem mild by comparison.

Heinrich Graetz, the father of Jewish historiography, denounced the Talmud as responsible for the moral corruption of Polish Jews (which is to say, the overwhelming number of Jews in the world as of mid-19th century when he wrote his book) in his magnum opus, The History of the Jews. Jews imbibed “A love of twisting, distorting, ingenious quibbling, and a foregone antipathy to what did not lie within their field of vision” from studying the Talmud. “Pride in their knowledge of the Talmud. . .” Graetz continued, “undermined their moral sense” (Heinrich Graetz, History of the Jews, pp. 5-6). By reading the Talmud, these Jews “found pleasure and a sort of triumphant delight in deception and cheating. (Graetz, History of the Jews, pp. 5-6). According to Graetz, Talmudic study had a corrupting influence on Jewish morals:

“To twist a phrase out of its meaning, to use all the tricks of the clever advocate, to ply upon words, and to condemn what they did not know . . . such were the characteristics of the Polish Jew. . . . Honesty and right-thinking he lost as completely as simplicity and truthfulness. He made himself master of all the gymnastics of the Schools and applied them to obtain advantage over any one more cunning than himself. He took delight in cheating and overreaching, which gave him a sort of joy of victory. But his own people he could not treat that way: they were as knowing as he. It was the non-Jew who, to his loss, felt the consequences of the Talmudically trained mind of the Polish Jew.”

Does that mean that the Father of Jewish historiography was an anti-Semite? If so, he is one of a long line of anti-Semitic Jewish thinkers who had nothing good to say about the Talmud and the rabbinic culture which it created.

Before Heinrich Graetz, there was Solomon Maimon, who escaped from the shtetl in “darkest Lithuania” to find refuge in Berlin, where his memoirs were published. Maimon, it should be noted, was a Talmudic scholar by the age of 11, an achievement which won him numerous marriage proposals from Jewish parents hoping to marry their daughters off to an elite member of the Jewish community. Maimon knew that the Talmud was the operating system for the Jewish despotism that oppressed the overwhelming majority of Jews who lived in the Pale of the Settlement. Solomon Maimon characterized “the subjects of the Talmud” as “dry and mostly unintelligible to a child.” The shul wasn’t much better than its curriculum.

Jewish children from the pale were “imprisoned from morning till night” in “a small smoky hut,” where “the children are scattered, some on benches, some on the bare earth” (p. 31). Then as now, when “children are doomed in the bloom of youth to such an infernal school, it may be easily imagined with what joy and rapture they look forward to their release” (Solomon Maimon, The Autobiography of Solomon Maimon (London: East and West Library, 1954), p. 35).

And then there is the testimony of ex-rabbis against the Talmud, a tradition that goes back to the 13th century, when Nicholas Donin met with Pope Gregory IX and explained its blasphemies to him. The pope was shocked to learn that the Talmud portrayed Jesus Christ as the son of a whore and a Roman soldier who was now in hell buried up to his neck in burning excrement. When the initial shock wore off, the pope ordered the Talmud to be put on trial and burned if found guilty.

During these trials, which continued throughout Europe for centuries, it was the ex-rabbis, who were the prosecuting attorneys. They knew the Talmud’s blasphemies inside out and they knew that the rabbis couldn’t defend this book. One rabbi asked if it were true that the Talmud portrayed Jesus as a bastard and his mother as a whore, said that it was referring to another Jesus and Mary, prompting one scholar to say this was the beginning of Jewish humor.


The Jews who reject the Talmud and the rabbinic tyranny it enables span the entire history of Jewish thought and the entire spectrum of Jewish thought today. It has been criticized by groups as diverse as the Coen Brothers and Neturei Karta. In their recent film, A Serious Man, the Coen Brothers, two of the most highly regarded Jewish directors in Hollywood today, characterize Talmudic studies as something even more stultifying than what Solomon Maimon had to endure. A Serious Man is one of the most anti-Jewish films that Hollywood has ever produced. It makes Jud Suess look like Fiddler on the Roof by comparison. And yet no one has denounced the Coen brothers for their attack on the Talmud or the tyranny which it exerts over the Jewish people or the moral corruption it continues to spread.


And why is that ? The obvious answer is that there is a double standard now regnant throughout the entire world which prohibits the goyim from mentioning what the Jews freely say to each other. The less obvious answer is that we have all become subject to the same rabbinic tyranny which subjugated the Jews in the shtetl. The new name for that Talmudic tyranny is world finance or banking, or to put it simply, usury.

One of the prophet Nehemiah’s most striking condemnations of his fellow Jews was “Ye exact usury, every one of his brother” (Nehemiah, vi, 15). Werner Sombart explains this passage in Scripture by claiming that the Jews “were divided into two sections, an upper wealthy class, which became rich by money-lending, and the great mass of agricultural labourers whom they exploited.

This state of affairs must have continued, in spite of Nehemiah and other reformers, throughout the whole history of the Jews in Palestine and Babylon. We need only refer to the Talmud for proof. . . . After the Torah, nothing occupies so much space [in the Talmud] as money lending” (Werner Sombart, The Jews and Modern Capitalism [New Brunswick, NJ: Transaction Books, 1982], p. 308). So we’re all Jews now because of capitalism, which is state-sponsored usury. But we’re all little Jews now, who are not allowed to say in public what the big important money-lending Jews say to each other in private.

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well ,

let's see whether all those attacking and ridiculing Koran have the balls to debate Talmud

Milo, you go first , Monster you please follow

and

B4 I 4get

Please somebody send this to David Goldman for his enlightenment about Talmud

would love if one of you guys posts this (link to this) in ATOL & FT .. let's see what Pasta or Charlestone have to say

Merry hooker Jesus bastard ? ? ? Pfui

what kind of goulash is that "Judea-Christo" alliance, folks ! ! ! ! :lol: :D :)



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Thank you Very Much for your post, Azari.

Rather busy today so I will only touch on one point.................

"So we’re all Jews now because of capitalism, which is state-sponsored usury"


should read

So we’re all usurers now because of capitalism, which is state-sponsored usury.


IIRC C.S. Lewis touches on this in Mere Christianity where he points out that the Western Economic System based on "investment" is/may be based on something that
both the Jewish Prophets and the Greek Philosophers and others denounced...........

But it since money is effectively crystallized time, it would be hard to persuade people to loan to others if there was no worldly benefit.... Money likely to be worth less even if it is paid back....

Muslim Financiers get around the usury prohibition on Mortgages by buying the house and selling to the buyer at a higher price that is paid in installments....
Actually very Clever but really the same thing as long as payments are made on time.........

Note, I don't agree with Lewis on all topics............ Not sure about this one........... May be a matter of moderation..........

Out of time for now.............
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