Interesting correlation to relative worth of RE in general.
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I've seen this quip before many times from many places, and it is entirely correct. So is the obverse except that its harder to state so succinctly given the strange (to those West of the Khyber) nature of Buddhism.Enki wrote:"Buddhist Nirvana is Christian Hell".
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Religion help to rationalize committing violence against non-believers.Azrael wrote:In Sri Lanka, it is Hinduism that comes with AK-47s and grenade launchers -- the Tamils are Hindu. It's the (pre-British) Sinhalese who are Buddhist.Ibrahim wrote:So in your view the civil war with the Tamil Tigers somehow reflects on Buddhist theology?Nonc Hilaire wrote:Many types of Buddhism. In Sri Lanka Buddhism comes with AK-47's and grenade launchers.
In truth, Buddhists have ranged from pacifist to ultra-nationalist militarist and everything in between. As have Christians, Hindus and many other religious groups. The basic theology of a religion doesn't seem to prevent its members from committing violence, or condemn its members to commit violence.
The same applies to secular -isms.
May the gods preserve and defend me from self-righteous altruists; I can defend myself from my enemies and my friends.
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read recently , that in Japanese culture, no such thing as SIN
"Shame" is what for Abrahamite is SIN
interesting phenomena
would mean, Japanese do not have G_D, hell, paradise and all the related stuff
interesting to know, what Japanese think of what happens after the death ?
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read recently , that in Japanese culture, no such thing as SIN
"Shame" is what for Abrahamite is SIN
interesting phenomena
would mean, Japanese do not have G_D, hell, paradise and all the related stuff
interesting to know, what Japanese think of what happens after the death ?
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Pokemon. Pokemon as far as the eye can see.
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I knew a guy in college (Canadian of some kind of Celtic background) who "converted" to Shintoism largely based on his love of Japanese cartoons and comics.Demon of Undoing wrote:Pokemon. Pokemon as far as the eye can see.
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That's amusing.Ibrahim wrote:I knew a guy in college (Canadian of some kind of Celtic background) who "converted" to Shintoism largely based on his love of Japanese cartoons and comics.Demon of Undoing wrote:Pokemon. Pokemon as far as the eye can see.
I've never heard of any rite for converting to Shintoism.
I developed a great love of Looney Tune cartoons, but I didn't feel the need to convert to, say, Mormonism or Scientology [the two indigenous US religions that I can think of . . .]
May the gods preserve and defend me from self-righteous altruists; I can defend myself from my enemies and my friends.
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The Internet as the "church" for atheists and agnostics
Interesting observation. Pre-internet it was difficult to avoid enculturation by one's family and community and few places to question without fear of punishment and/or ostracization.
Interesting observation. Pre-internet it was difficult to avoid enculturation by one's family and community and few places to question without fear of punishment and/or ostracization.
May the gods preserve and defend me from self-righteous altruists; I can defend myself from my enemies and my friends.
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It is interesting, those who seek to avoid the confirmation bias of local culture/family/community can empoly search engine filters to seek out the confirmation bias they prefer. Don't trust ________! Trust Google!Typhoon wrote:The Internet as the "church" for atheists and agnostics
Interesting observation. Pre-internet it was difficult to avoid enculturation by one's family and community and few places to question without fear of punishment and/or ostracization.
Every person is a unique individual, with a unique environment, unique background, and who filters out most of the infinite amount of information that is available to them on a constant basis, yet we still seek consensus for our own personal vastly simplified world views. Pascal's "the desire to live an imaginary life in the mind of others...." comes to mind.
Expectations, interpretations, and delusions are internal.
Conundrum: those who expect people to be unique seem to tolerate differences and appreciate common ground better, while those who preach "tolerate diversity" while expecting conformity and consensus often seem to be both vessels and catalysts of hate and discontent. One can read that statement as either applying to "the Left" or "the Right".... depending upon our own confirmation bias.
The mental states of "I wonder..." "What if....." "How come..." "Do ya think that...." are now easily replaced by a search engine filter and 0.43 seconds of idle time.
Maybe that's why some feel God is more present in the woods, in a field, in a good book, or in a crowded airport than in a "house of God" that seeks conformity of opinion. Where do individuals experience life as a constant?
Those who expect God or politicians to make the world a better place than it is, or people better than they are, seem destined to be disappointed.
Reading the article and comments, it seems impossible for people to have original thoughts regarding either religion or politics (especially Old Bullshitters and Young Whiners!!). We have either heard it all before or said it all before.
Maybe that is the proof of our common ground.
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Pity he didn't make it becoming Pope.Cardinal Carlo Martini says Church '200 years behind'
Italian Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini has described the Roman Catholic Church as being "200 years behind" the times.
The cardinal died on Friday, aged 85.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19451439
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The hypocrisy of religion and it's adoration of "whitewashed tombs and sepulchers" has been noted since the Gospels.
This is an honest confession of fault, but the discerning person still seeks truth and the truth remains in scripture. Much is said of false prophets and of the dangers of socialized religion. Do not disclaim Scripture without reading it in it's entirety.
This is an honest confession of fault, but the discerning person still seeks truth and the truth remains in scripture. Much is said of false prophets and of the dangers of socialized religion. Do not disclaim Scripture without reading it in it's entirety.
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What is not recorded is what she said when she caught him talking to those woman at the well.Parodite wrote:Jesus cites wife in fourth-century script, says US scholar
Ancient text contains a dialogue in which Jesus refers to 'my wife', says expert in the history of Christianity at Harvard
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Would probably fit in the Jerry Springer show.Nonc Hilaire wrote:What is not recorded is what she said when she caught him talking to those woman at the well.Parodite wrote:Jesus cites wife in fourth-century script, says US scholar
Ancient text contains a dialogue in which Jesus refers to 'my wife', says expert in the history of Christianity at Harvard
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+1Parodite wrote:Pity he didn't make it becoming Pope.Cardinal Carlo Martini says Church '200 years behind'
Italian Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini has described the Roman Catholic Church as being "200 years behind" the times.
The cardinal died on Friday, aged 85.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19451439
I've been following him for years. A giant in the Church.
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Azrael wrote:.+1Parodite wrote:.
Pity he didn't make it becoming Pope..
Cardinal Carlo Martini says Church '200 years behind'
Italian Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini has described the Roman Catholic Church as being "200 years behind" the times.
The cardinal died on Friday, aged 85.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19451439
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I've been following him for years. A giant in the Church.
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2 paintings .. one is art the other Kitsch .. what makes one an art the other a Kitsch ? ?
Timeless
I do not believe in reforming a religion .. spirituality is absolute and timeless
If a religion needs reform, it is Kitsch
Rumi is eternal .. it will make sense even in 1000 yrs
In that sense, would not agree with Cardinal Carlo Martini saying Church '200 years behind', unless it is a Kitsch.
Look, guys .. Constantin made Rome Christian to counter next door Persian Mithra
That was a political decision, not a spiritual
in that sense
maybe good idea, as west being challenged (again) by east , not a bad idea to start "somethings entirely new" with a "clean sheet of paper" .. usually it is much more costly to remodel than built new
think about it
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I dunno, ALI, the Moral Law is absolute and timeless. How we understand and apply it often needs reform:Jnalum Persicum wrote:. . I do not believe in reforming a religion .. spirituality is absolute and timeless
If a religion needs reform, it is Kitsch . .
"New occasions teach new duties,
Time makes ancient good uncouth.
They must upward still and onward
Who would keep abreast of Truth.
Lo, before us gleam her campfires,
We ourselves must Pilgrims be,
Launch our Mayflower and steer boldly
"Cross the desp'rate winter sea,
Nor attempt the future's portal
With the past's blood-rusted key."
"The jawbone of an ass is just as dangerous a weapon today as in Sampson's time."
--- Richard Nixon
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"I consider looseness with words no less of a defect than looseness of the bowels."
—John Calvin
--- Richard Nixon
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"I consider looseness with words no less of a defect than looseness of the bowels."
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Marcus wrote:.I dunno, ALI, the Moral Law is absolute and timeless. How we understand and apply it often needs reform:Jnalum Persicum wrote:.
. . I do not believe in reforming a religion .. spirituality is absolute and timeless
If a religion needs reform, it is Kitsch . .
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"New occasions teach new duties,
Time makes ancient good uncouth.
They must upward still and onward
Who would keep abreast of Truth.
Lo, before us gleam her campfires,
We ourselves must Pilgrims be,
Launch our Mayflower and steer boldly
"Cross the desp'rate winter sea,
Nor attempt the future's portal
With the past's blood-rusted key."
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Marcus , the essence of religion is not to Interpret the "absolute and timeless Moral Laws" .. but .. to DEFINE those absolute and timeless Moral Laws
In that sense, how can those absolute and timeless Moral Laws be redefined again and again with passing of time if they absolute and timeless ? if a religion needs that, would indicate it a Kitsch
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I agree, ALI, the laws aren't redefined, it's our understanding and application of those laws that get redefined.Jnalum Persicum wrote:. . how can those absolute and timeless Moral Laws be redefined again and again with passing of time if they absolute and timeless ? . .
What religion didn't at one time countenance slavery? What religion approves of slavery today?
"The jawbone of an ass is just as dangerous a weapon today as in Sampson's time."
--- Richard Nixon
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"I consider looseness with words no less of a defect than looseness of the bowels."
—John Calvin
--- Richard Nixon
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"I consider looseness with words no less of a defect than looseness of the bowels."
—John Calvin
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Azrael wrote:+1Parodite wrote:Pity he didn't make it becoming Pope.Cardinal Carlo Martini says Church '200 years behind'
Italian Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini has described the Roman Catholic Church as being "200 years behind" the times.
The cardinal died on Friday, aged 85.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19451439
I've been following him for years. A giant in the Church.
I think the Catholic church would lose membership and go into decline, like mainstream Protestant denominations, if they liberalized too much. They could maybe back down on one or two of their crazier positions (e.g. just give out condoms in Africa FFS) but overall the fact that they are stuck in the past is part of the appeal. The fastest-growing Christian denominations worldwide are the most socially conservative ones.
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Marcus wrote:I agree, ALI, the laws aren't redefined, it's our understanding and application of those laws that get redefined.Jnalum Persicum wrote:. . how can those absolute and timeless Moral Laws be redefined again and again with passing of time if they absolute and timeless ? . .
What religion didn't at one time countenance slavery ? What religion approves of slavery today ?
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Well, Marcus
How can a school, spirituality, religion raise claim for "absolute and timeless Moral Laws" when at the same time condoning Slavery ? ?
How can Christianity (or Islam) claim "absolute and timeless Moral Laws" if all Cathedrals and Churches and house of worships are built (exclusively) by slaves ? ? ?
That is the acid test for Art versus Kitsch
That is why Rumi is and will stay universal
That is why I said Pomegranates will REFORM ( ) Islam
Islam of future will be RUMI
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