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Enki wrote:If we're going to talk about Greece lets at least put some of the beautiful photos of Athens burning to the ground.

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Thank you Very Much for your post, Tinker Enki.

Sad.........

Stuff like this* is one reason, it's better to go to Nashville if you want to see the Parthenon........

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Statue of Athena.............. this image is too big for img.............

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... eQuire.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenon_%28Nashville%29


*Turks using the Parthenon as a powder magazine which a Venetican mortar hit & exploded with subsequent looting .........
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Greece may very well be the first country in Europe where the oligarchy will be defeated. A popular front government may take office in April, after the elections, if the Greeks don't decide to get rid of the present power-holders before that. After defaulting, Greece will only have to take care to balance its trade, by limiting the value of imports to the value of exports. If that is done, there will be no need to use the international financial markets, and the Greek economy will soon start growing again. Greece may even decide to keep the Euro as its currency.
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Next, soon, same thing probably will happen in Italy

Neapolitan circumstances will take over in many Italian cities

Rather be in Calcutta than Napoli

Endovelico wrote:.

Greece may very well be the first country in Europe where the oligarchy will be defeated. A popular front government may take office in April, after the elections, if the Greeks don't decide to get rid of the present power-holders before that. After defaulting, Greece will only have to take care to balance its trade, by limiting the value of imports to the value of exports. If that is done, there will be no need to use the international financial markets, and the Greek economy will soon start growing again. Greece may even decide to keep the Euro as its currency.

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:lol: funny


What does Greece produce (for Greek consume let alone for export) .. am not aware of anything

come on Endo, come on

Greek oligarchy ?

Probably you mean big shipping companies .. otherwise Greece has nothing

Shipping companies will transfer to Bahamas etc etc .. and they all nearly broke anyway, shipping rates for dry bulk is more and less zero, many folds oversupply

Tourism only can and will save Greece

otherwise , be my guest and become communist

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AzariLoveIran wrote:.

Next, soon, same thing probably will happen in Italy

Neapolitan circumstances will take over in many Italian cities

Rather be in Calcutta than Napoli

Endovelico wrote:.

Greece may very well be the first country in Europe where the oligarchy will be defeated. A popular front government may take office in April, after the elections, if the Greeks don't decide to get rid of the present power-holders before that. After defaulting, Greece will only have to take care to balance its trade, by limiting the value of imports to the value of exports. If that is done, there will be no need to use the international financial markets, and the Greek economy will soon start growing again. Greece may even decide to keep the Euro as its currency.

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:lol: funny


What does Greece produce (for Greek consume let alone for export) .. am not aware of anything

come on Endo, come on

Greek oligarchy ?

Probably you mean big shipping companies .. otherwise Greece has nothing

Shipping companies will transfer to Bahamas etc etc .. and they all nearly broke anyway, shipping rates for dry bulk is more and less zero, many folds oversupply

Tourism only can and will save Greece

otherwise , be my guest and become communist

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Thank you Very Much for your post, Azari.

Traditionally I would have said olive oil, fish, squid, octopus & sponges.......... Couldn't even find it on the general Greek wiki.

Found it here..............

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_econ ... nd_fishery

Agriculture and fishery
Main article: Agriculture in Greece
Olive trees in Thasos, Greece.

In 2010, Greece was the European Union's largest producer of cotton (183.8 thousand tons) and pistachios (8 thousand tons)[73] and ranked second in the production of rice (229.5 thousand tons)[73] and olives (147.5 thousand tons),[74] third in the production of figs (11 thousand tons) and [74] almonds (44 thousand tons) ,[74] tomatoes (1.4 million tons) [74] and watermelons (578.4 thousand tons)[74] and fourth in the production of tobacco (22 thousand tons).[73] Agriculture contributes 3.3% of the country's GDP[75] and employs 12% of the country's labor force.[75]

Greece is a major beneficiary of the Common Agricultural Policy of the European Union. As a result of the country's entry to the European Community, much of its agricultural infrastructure has been upgraded and agricultural output increased. Between 2000 and 2007 organic farming in Greece increased by 885%, the highest change percentage in the EU.[76]

In 2007, Greece accounted for 19% of the EU's fishing haul in the Mediterranean sea,[77] ranked third with 85,493 tons,[77] and ranked first in the number of fishing vessels in the Mediterranean between European Union members.[77] Additionally, the country ranked 11th in the EU in total quantity of fish caught, with 87,461 tons.[77]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_econ ... nd_fishery

Probably not enough

Oher possibilities besides Tourism............

Resolve the Aegan Dispute with Turkey and find gas & oil....................

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegean_dispute

Maybe sell Mickey Mouse :wink: oops I mean Mikonos to gay Germans.........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikonos#Tourism

Get paid by Iran to oppose NATO action against Syria & Iran...... IIRC Greece is doing this already... Don't know if is getting paid.......

Get paid by Turkey, Israel, Saudi Arabia, the Emirates, US, the Euros NOT to oppose NATO action against Syria & Iran.............

Tourism wise: see about getting Disney to set up a Greek themed park........

Lots of possibilities including gay days .......... AIUI already done here among US/uz
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monster_gardener wrote:.
.. squid, octopus & sponges ..........
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That was good one MG, that was a good one :)

4get about Iran or Arabs paying for anything, for NATO vote or for anything else

not even Gay only Islands or vanilla sort of tourism will brink the bacon home

well

though

there is a Jackpot card

The New Silk Road

China

look, MG

Long term, China wants a backdoor to European markets

Greece, on the Mediterranean, is the best location for Chinese products to enter Europe

basically sell Greece to China

China already upgrading Greek ports and imports infrastructures .. for Chinese goods

take it from there


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<<< The last time Germany needed a bail-out from world creditors, it secured better terms than shattered Greece last week. >>>

Germany's Carthaginian terms for Greece
The US, Canada, Britain, France, Greece, and other signatories at the London Debt Agreement of 1953 granted Chancellor Konrad Adenauer a 50pc haircut on all German debt, worth 70pc in relief with stretched maturities. There was a five-year moratorium on interest payments.
(...) This sweeping debt forgiveness caused heartburn for the British - then in dire financial straits, themselves forced to go cap in hand to Washington for loans. The Greeks had to forgo some war reparations.
Yet statesmanship prevailed. The finance ministers of the day agreed to overlook the moral origins of that debt, and the moral hazard of “rewarding” a country that had so disturbed the European order.
Yes, West Europeans and North Americans alike were far more lenient to Germany a few years after the disastrous war that she forced on the whole continent, than Germans (and subservient French) are to Greece now.


Also of interest is this part:
Earlier he was caught on camera telling his Portuguese colleague that Lisbon can expect softer terms on its rescue package but only once Europe has dealt harshly enough with Greece to satisfy German public opinion.
Could it be that Germany is applying in reality at least part of the suggestion by the always well-meaning & sensible David Goldman that "a horrible example can be made of the recalcitrant Hellenes"?
I don't know, but truth being that Greece's troubles are not for the reason German politicians think
As high priest of the “household fallacy” - the false equation of macro-economics with the budget of a Schwabian Hausfrau - he thinks Greece is in trouble because it spends too much, not because it is trapped in debt deflation with a badly over-valued currency.
From there he progresses to the next fallacy of thinking that Portugal, Spain, and Italy will pull through as long as they cut, cut, and cut again.
If Portugal spirals down in much the same fashion as Greece once austerity bites in earnest - and therefore misses target after target - it is likely that Mr Schäuble will turn on Portugal with equal fury, because that is how he sees the world.
Each failure is ascribed to lack of moral fibre, not to the design flaws in the currency project that he himself helped create and foist on the German people against their wishes.
...the risk is high indeed for that kind of inhumane punishing to be applied by the German government (followed, to our shame, by subservient French government) to one financially distressed country after another!



Some lines are better not crossed:
By demanding a budget viceroy for Greece, and now an escrow account to seize Greek revenues at source, the Merkel-Schäuble government has crossed a diplomatic line and brutalised EU politics. “Memorandum Macht Frei”, as one Greek newspaper splashed.
Would Konrad Adenauer ever have made such a blunder?
No, Adenauer definitely would have not! That comparison is of course outrageous and insulting:

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But then, no more than the proposal from German government which motivated the comparison in the first place.
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AzariLoveIran wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:.
.. squid, octopus & sponges ..........
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That was good one MG, that was a good one :)

4get about Iran or Arabs paying for anything, for NATO vote or for anything else

not even Gay only Islands or vanilla sort of tourism will brink the bacon home

well

though

there is a Jackpot card

The New Silk Road

China

look, MG

Long term, China wants a backdoor to European markets

Greece, on the Mediterranean, is the best location for Chinese products to enter Europe

basically sell Greece to China

China already upgrading Greek ports and imports infrastructures .. for Chinese goods

take it from there


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Thank you VERY MUCH for your post, Azari & for the kind words.

Glad you were amused. :)
4get about Iran or Arabs paying for anything, for NATO vote or for anything else
You are probably right but I suspect the Duck GadDaffi may be wishing he had spent more of those golden eggs on corrupting the Greeks to screw NATO if he didn't already............
basically sell Greece to China
I hope the Greeks get a good price for themselves...........

Probably a win for China: do something with those dollars before they are worth :wink: less :(
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Alexis wrote:<<< The last time Germany needed a bail-out from world creditors, it secured better terms than shattered Greece last week. >>>

Germany's Carthaginian terms for Greece
The US, Canada, Britain, France, Greece, and other signatories at the London Debt Agreement of 1953 granted Chancellor Konrad Adenauer a 50pc haircut on all German debt, worth 70pc in relief with stretched maturities. There was a five-year moratorium on interest payments.
(...) This sweeping debt forgiveness caused heartburn for the British - then in dire financial straits, themselves forced to go cap in hand to Washington for loans. The Greeks had to forgo some war reparations.
Yet statesmanship prevailed. The finance ministers of the day agreed to overlook the moral origins of that debt, and the moral hazard of “rewarding” a country that had so disturbed the European order.
Yes, West Europeans and North Americans alike were far more lenient to Germany a few years after the disastrous war that she forced on the whole continent, than Germans (and subservient French) are to Greece now.


Also of interest is this part:
Earlier he was caught on camera telling his Portuguese colleague that Lisbon can expect softer terms on its rescue package but only once Europe has dealt harshly enough with Greece to satisfy German public opinion.
Could it be that Germany is applying in reality at least part of the suggestion by the always well-meaning & sensible David Goldman that "a horrible example can be made of the recalcitrant Hellenes"?
I don't know, but truth being that Greece's troubles are not for the reason German politicians think
As high priest of the “household fallacy” - the false equation of macro-economics with the budget of a Schwabian Hausfrau - he thinks Greece is in trouble because it spends too much, not because it is trapped in debt deflation with a badly over-valued currency.
From there he progresses to the next fallacy of thinking that Portugal, Spain, and Italy will pull through as long as they cut, cut, and cut again.
If Portugal spirals down in much the same fashion as Greece once austerity bites in earnest - and therefore misses target after target - it is likely that Mr Schäuble will turn on Portugal with equal fury, because that is how he sees the world.
Each failure is ascribed to lack of moral fibre, not to the design flaws in the currency project that he himself helped create and foist on the German people against their wishes.
...the risk is high indeed for that kind of inhumane punishing to be applied by the German government (followed, to our shame, by subservient French government) to one financially distressed country after another!



Some lines are better not crossed:
By demanding a budget viceroy for Greece, and now an escrow account to seize Greek revenues at source, the Merkel-Schäuble government has crossed a diplomatic line and brutalised EU politics. “Memorandum Macht Frei”, as one Greek newspaper splashed.
Would Konrad Adenauer ever have made such a blunder?
No, Adenauer definitely would have not! That comparison is of course outrageous and insulting:

Image

But then, no more than the proposal from German government which motivated the comparison in the first place.
Thank you Very Much for your post, Alexis.

Quite true: the Germans got off dammed lightly given what Germany did to Europe and that IIRC they gave Hitler power multiple times........

Reason they did was largely because we/US/the West wanted/needed to use them against the Russians & vis versa.......... Otherwise......... I remember reading that the Allies had plans to pastoralize Germany to make sure that it didn't happen again..... Farming and Animal husbandry could have been the main vocations with the Germans being treated as the Philistines treated the Jews...........
Now there was no smith found throughout all the land of Israel: for the Philistines said, Lest the Hebrews make them swords or spears:
The Greeks had to forgo some war reparations.
The Greeks should reinstate their demand for the reparations with applicable compound interest for the last ~65 years...........
IMHO, Won't get it but since the Germans are determined to be rid of the Greeks, why not?

That being said.........
Earlier he was caught on camera telling his Portuguese colleague that Lisbon can expect softer terms on its rescue package but only once Europe has dealt harshly enough with Greece to satisfy German public opinion.
Not really surprised......... AIUI Greece was irresponsible while Portugal and Spain had mostly responsible budgets and were just caught in the blast radius of the financial implosion :wink: :( ........

Also don't have the acrimonious history that Germany and Greece do.......... IIRC Hitler did help Franco gain power (Guernica) but neither Spain nor Portugal directly felt the looting Nazi/German boots...........
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Alexis wrote:<<< The last time Germany needed a bail-out from world creditors, it secured better terms than shattered Greece last week. >>>

Germany's Carthaginian terms for Greece
The US, Canada, Britain, France, Greece, and other signatories at the London Debt Agreement of 1953 granted Chancellor Konrad Adenauer a 50pc haircut on all German debt, worth 70pc in relief with stretched maturities. There was a five-year moratorium on interest payments.
(...) This sweeping debt forgiveness caused heartburn for the British - then in dire financial straits, themselves forced to go cap in hand to Washington for loans. The Greeks had to forgo some war reparations.
Yet statesmanship prevailed. The finance ministers of the day agreed to overlook the moral origins of that debt, and the moral hazard of “rewarding” a country that had so disturbed the European order.
Yes, West Europeans and North Americans alike were far more lenient to Germany a few years after the disastrous war that she forced on the whole continent, than Germans (and subservient French) are to Greece now.


Also of interest is this part:
Earlier he was caught on camera telling his Portuguese colleague that Lisbon can expect softer terms on its rescue package but only once Europe has dealt harshly enough with Greece to satisfy German public opinion.
Could it be that Germany is applying in reality at least part of the suggestion by the always well-meaning & sensible David Goldman that "a horrible example can be made of the recalcitrant Hellenes"?
I don't know, but truth being that Greece's troubles are not for the reason German politicians think
As high priest of the “household fallacy” - the false equation of macro-economics with the budget of a Schwabian Hausfrau - he thinks Greece is in trouble because it spends too much, not because it is trapped in debt deflation with a badly over-valued currency.
From there he progresses to the next fallacy of thinking that Portugal, Spain, and Italy will pull through as long as they cut, cut, and cut again.
If Portugal spirals down in much the same fashion as Greece once austerity bites in earnest - and therefore misses target after target - it is likely that Mr Schäuble will turn on Portugal with equal fury, because that is how he sees the world.
Each failure is ascribed to lack of moral fibre, not to the design flaws in the currency project that he himself helped create and foist on the German people against their wishes.
...the risk is high indeed for that kind of inhumane punishing to be applied by the German government (followed, to our shame, by subservient French government) to one financially distressed country after another!



Some lines are better not crossed:
By demanding a budget viceroy for Greece, and now an escrow account to seize Greek revenues at source, the Merkel-Schäuble government has crossed a diplomatic line and brutalised EU politics. “Memorandum Macht Frei”, as one Greek newspaper splashed.
Would Konrad Adenauer ever have made such a blunder?
No, Adenauer definitely would have not! That comparison is of course outrageous and insulting:

Image

But then, no more than the proposal from German government which motivated the comparison in the first place.
The Greeks won't be too keen on sending any more young men and women to be devoured in the maze of European bureaucracy by the fearsome Merkeltaur.

I wonder if it's a ploy to force the Greeks to abandon the preposterous Euro and default, saving the German govt. from having to face the political suicide of having to use German taxpayer's dough to bail out Retsinastan?
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I'm sure some of you are offended when I suggest that Germans, as a whole, are not intelligent. But everything Germans - and their idiotic chancellor - are doing only proves the point that they don't understand what they are doing nor do they know the consequences of their impositions. And because they are incredibly arrogant - another sign of stupidity - they will never recognize they are wrong. Because, by definition, they can't be wrong. To force them to recognize they are wrong one must beat them up to a pulp, as it happened twice in the 20th century. Any other country would have tried to negotiate surrender much sooner, but those who are always right can't be defeated. So they plunge ahead regardless of consequences. The question is no longer whether we should keep Greece in Europe, but whether we should keep Germany...
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Endovelico wrote:.

I'm sure some of you are offended when I suggest that Germans, as a whole, are not intelligent.

But everything Germans - and their idiotic chancellor - are doing only proves the point that they don't understand what they are doing nor do they know the consequences of their impositions.

And because they are incredibly arrogant - another sign of stupidity - they will never recognize they are wrong. Because, by definition, they can't be wrong. To force them to recognize they are wrong one must beat them up to a pulp, as it happened twice in the 20th century. Any other country would have tried to negotiate surrender much sooner, but those who are always right can't be defeated.

So they plunge ahead regardless of consequences.

The question is no longer whether we should keep Greece in Europe, but whether we should keep Germany ...

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Endo ,

if you guys do not want Germany

We, Iranian, would love to have them

Loooooove those girls .. and sausage .. and Hefe Bier

Prost


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AzariLoveIran wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:.
.. squid, octopus & sponges ..........
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That was good one MG, that was a good one :)

4get about Iran or Arabs paying for anything, for NATO vote or for anything else

not even Gay only Islands or vanilla sort of tourism will brink the bacon home

well

though

there is a Jackpot card

The New Silk Road

China

look, MG

Long term, China wants a backdoor to European markets

Greece, on the Mediterranean, is the best location for Chinese products to enter Europe

basically sell Greece to China

China already upgrading Greek ports and imports infrastructures .. for Chinese goods

take it from there

.
NYT Mag | The Way Greeks Live Now
By many indicators, Greece is devolving into something unprecedented in modern Western experience. A quarter of all Greek companies have gone out of business since 2009, and half of all small businesses in the country say they are unable to meet payroll. The suicide rate increased by 40 percent in the first half of 2011. A barter economy has sprung up, as people try to work around a broken financial system. Nearly half the population under 25 is unemployed. Last September, organizers of a government-sponsored seminar on emigrating to Australia, an event that drew 42 people a year earlier, were overwhelmed when 12,000 people signed up. Greek bankers told me that people had taken about one-third of their money out of their accounts; many, it seems, were keeping what savings they had under their beds or buried in their backyards. One banker, part of whose job these days is persuading people to keep their money in the bank, said to me, “Who would trust a Greek bank?”

The situation at the macro level is, if anything, even more transformational. The Chinese have largely taken over Piraeus, Greece’s main port, with an eye to make it a conduit for shipping goods into Europe. Qatar is looking to invest $5 billion in various projects in Greece, including tourism infrastructure. Other, relatively flush Europeans are trying to make “Greece the Florida of Europe,” Theodore Pelagidis, a Greek economist at the University of Piraeus, told me, referring in particular to plans to turn islands into expensive retirement homes for wealthy people from other parts of the continent. Whether or not the country pays its debts, he went on, other nations and foreign companies “now understand the Greek government is powerless, so in the future they will take over viable assets and run parts of the country by themselves.”
At this rate there will still be a Greece, just no Greek inhabitants.
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Typhoon wrote:
AzariLoveIran wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:.
.. squid, octopus & sponges ..........
.
That was good one MG, that was a good one :)

4get about Iran or Arabs paying for anything, for NATO vote or for anything else

not even Gay only Islands or vanilla sort of tourism will brink the bacon home

well

though

there is a Jackpot card

The New Silk Road

China

look, MG

Long term, China wants a backdoor to European markets

Greece, on the Mediterranean, is the best location for Chinese products to enter Europe

basically sell Greece to China

China already upgrading Greek ports and imports infrastructures .. for Chinese goods

take it from there

.
NYT Mag | The Way Greeks Live Now
By many indicators, Greece is devolving into something unprecedented in modern Western experience. A quarter of all Greek companies have gone out of business since 2009, and half of all small businesses in the country say they are unable to meet payroll. The suicide rate increased by 40 percent in the first half of 2011. A barter economy has sprung up, as people try to work around a broken financial system. Nearly half the population under 25 is unemployed. Last September, organizers of a government-sponsored seminar on emigrating to Australia, an event that drew 42 people a year earlier, were overwhelmed when 12,000 people signed up. Greek bankers told me that people had taken about one-third of their money out of their accounts; many, it seems, were keeping what savings they had under their beds or buried in their backyards. One banker, part of whose job these days is persuading people to keep their money in the bank, said to me, “Who would trust a Greek bank?”

The situation at the macro level is, if anything, even more transformational. The Chinese have largely taken over Piraeus, Greece’s main port, with an eye to make it a conduit for shipping goods into Europe. Qatar is looking to invest $5 billion in various projects in Greece, including tourism infrastructure. Other, relatively flush Europeans are trying to make “Greece the Florida of Europe,” Theodore Pelagidis, a Greek economist at the University of Piraeus, told me, referring in particular to plans to turn islands into expensive retirement homes for wealthy people from other parts of the continent. Whether or not the country pays its debts, he went on, other nations and foreign companies “now understand the Greek government is powerless, so in the future they will take over viable assets and run parts of the country by themselves.”
At this rate there will still be Greece, just no Greek inhabitants.

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Greece dilemma is, Greece does not have Nuclear Submarines and Nuclear Bombs and things of that sort

Otherwise, like Brits, France and others, could live from other people's resources and hard work

Nuclear bombs makes wonders

Fundamentally, Brits worst shape then Greece, only difference is, Greek can not rub others, not enough firepower

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must say all this new world order stuff always seems like the expectation filled, dream powered teenage love thing.

you project all your secret desires and needs onto some poor smuck who doesnt even half think that way and then get more and more bitter and dissapointed when it turns out they are not your personal slave of conformity.

maybe europe should have dated for a while before leaping into marriage.
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AzariLoveIran wrote: Greece dilemma is, Greece does not have Nuclear Submarines and Nuclear Bombs and things of that sort

Otherwise, like Brits, France and others, could live from other people's resources and hard work

Nuclear bombs makes wonders
Inventing nuclear bombs was a wonder, a wonder made possible by science and industrial prowess. Britain ushered in the Industrial Revolution. America, the UK, France, etc. are fundamentally productive societies that have radically transformed civilization (and continue to do so). As you said so yourself, Greece is not fundamentally productive (Alph -- who seemed to have irrational sympathies attached to Greece -- would of course disagree, claiming they are even more productive than China).

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Greece is becoming a terrible tragedy. Maybe they can enforce the toughest austerity measures but it doesn't matter. It is a dying patient on x-billion/month life support that will end. Will the Greek accept and choose bankrupcy?

Investors, whether it be China, Goldman Sachs or Deutsche Bank won't mind buying bankrupt leftovers and offer pay, on their terms to Greek citizens without work and food with the only alternative being starvation.

Goldman Sachs and DB is toxic preying money - those sharks have not changed their ways and mentality one bit. They best sail with the Chinese but make sure the capital can be nationalized again under Greek law in the future. Otherwise Greece will become a proxy republic of China, i.e. owned. Or choose bankrupcy and go back to the drachme - which has advantages compared to the alternatives.

Question is if civil unrest will destroy any of the above scenarios for the time being. Greece might fall apart with most people fleeing abroad as refugees.
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AzariLoveIran wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:.
.. squid, octopus & sponges ..........
.
That was good one MG, that was a good one :)

4get about Iran or Arabs paying for anything, for NATO vote or for anything else

not even Gay only Islands or vanilla sort of tourism will brink the bacon home

well

though

there is a Jackpot card

The New Silk Road

China

look, MG

Long term, China wants a backdoor to European markets

Greece, on the Mediterranean, is the best location for Chinese products to enter Europe

basically sell Greece to China

China already upgrading Greek ports and imports infrastructures .. for Chinese goods

take it from there


.
Thank you Very Much again for your post, Azari.

Again you are probably right but IMVHO I think Iran is really missing a historic & hysterically funny opportunity just like the Duck GadDaffy did.

Look at that rioting............. Over jobs and pensions............

Remember reading about a man saying "I'd vote for the Devil, if he gave me a good job."

Pomegranates aren't devils........... Sometimes even get G_d's stamp of Approval :wink: .............

Iran/Persia should invest in Greece......... Just let the workers at "Marathon Land" :wink: or "Salamis Waterworld" :wink: know implicitly
that Greece needs to screw any NATO scheme to attack Syria or Iran........... Do rioting like they are doing now........

Better that have 300 :wink: Hoplites & Thespians :wink: :lol: * march on the Greek government buildings in support of Persia :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:


I wonder who the Greeks hate more: Germans or Pomegranates......... I suspect Germans........


*Note to Mods: would it be possible to get the ROLMAO icons activated...........
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AzariLoveIran wrote:
Endovelico wrote:.

I'm sure some of you are offended when I suggest that Germans, as a whole, are not intelligent.

But everything Germans - and their idiotic chancellor - are doing only proves the point that they don't understand what they are doing nor do they know the consequences of their impositions.

And because they are incredibly arrogant - another sign of stupidity - they will never recognize they are wrong. Because, by definition, they can't be wrong. To force them to recognize they are wrong one must beat them up to a pulp, as it happened twice in the 20th century. Any other country would have tried to negotiate surrender much sooner, but those who are always right can't be defeated.

So they plunge ahead regardless of consequences.

The question is no longer whether we should keep Greece in Europe, but whether we should keep Germany ...

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Endo ,

if you guys do not want Germany

We, Iranian, would love to have them

Loooooove those girls .. and sausage .. and Hefe Bier

Prost


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Thank you Very Much for your post, Azari.

Is that bier fermented for 2 days :) or 3 days :( ? ;)

http://islamic-replies.ucoz.com/Rebut_W ... ution.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_in_Iran
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monster_gardener wrote:
AzariLoveIran wrote:
Endovelico wrote:.

I'm sure some of you are offended when I suggest that Germans, as a whole, are not intelligent.

But everything Germans - and their idiotic chancellor - are doing only proves the point that they don't understand what they are doing nor do they know the consequences of their impositions.

And because they are incredibly arrogant - another sign of stupidity - they will never recognize they are wrong. Because, by definition, they can't be wrong. To force them to recognize they are wrong one must beat them up to a pulp, as it happened twice in the 20th century. Any other country would have tried to negotiate surrender much sooner, but those who are always right can't be defeated.

So they plunge ahead regardless of consequences.

The question is no longer whether we should keep Greece in Europe, but whether we should keep Germany ...

.

Endo ,

if you guys do not want Germany

We, Iranian, would love to have them

Loooooove those girls .. and sausage .. and Hefe Bier

Prost


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Thank you Very Much for your post, Azari.

Is that bier fermented for 2 days :) or 3 days :( ? ;)

http://islamic-replies.ucoz.com/Rebut_W ... ution.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_in_Iran

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Das Alcohol "verbot" in Islam quite similar to celibacy in Catholicism

Was introduced later, based on dubious hear say

In fact, am sure, lots of dietary stuff in Islam neither from G_d nor Moh but from Omar

all this, protocol & ceremony, just to make a case for business of religion

otherwise

religion very simple .. be a good human being .. that's all

G_d would love you if you are a good human being and not because you don't eat pork-chops

Not eating this or drinking that, or not putting milk & meat in the same fridge does not make one a good human being

Spirit of G_d is corrupted by crooks


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AzariLoveIran wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:
AzariLoveIran wrote:
Endovelico wrote:.

I'm sure some of you are offended when I suggest that Germans, as a whole, are not intelligent.

But everything Germans - and their idiotic chancellor - are doing only proves the point that they don't understand what they are doing nor do they know the consequences of their impositions.

And because they are incredibly arrogant - another sign of stupidity - they will never recognize they are wrong. Because, by definition, they can't be wrong. To force them to recognize they are wrong one must beat them up to a pulp, as it happened twice in the 20th century. Any other country would have tried to negotiate surrender much sooner, but those who are always right can't be defeated.

So they plunge ahead regardless of consequences.

The question is no longer whether we should keep Greece in Europe, but whether we should keep Germany ...

.

Endo ,

if you guys do not want Germany

We, Iranian, would love to have them

Loooooove those girls .. and sausage .. and Hefe Bier

Prost


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Thank you Very Much for your post, Azari.

Is that bier fermented for 2 days :) or 3 days :( ? ;)

http://islamic-replies.ucoz.com/Rebut_W ... ution.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_in_Iran

.

Das Alcohol "verbot" in Islam quite similar to celibacy in Catholicism

Was introduced later, based on dubious hear say

In fact, am sure, lots of dietary stuff in Islam neither from G_d nor Moh but from Omar

all this, protocol & ceremony, just to make a case for business of religion

otherwise

religion is very simple .. be a good human being .. that's all

G_d would love you if you are a goo human being and not because you don't eat pork-chops

Not eating this or drinking that, or not putting milk & meat in the same fridge does not make one a good human being

Spirit of G_d is corrupted by crooks

BTW, MG, Iranians invented Beer & Wine .. says thank you, if you beer and wine drinker .. and, that Shiraz wine .. an Iranian took Shiraz grape to Australia 100 yrs ago, and, Bingo

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Thank you Very Much for your post, Azari.

Glad to hear that you have the Spirit(s) :wink:

Yes, I will say thanks to the Iranians & Pomegranates who invented beer and wine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer#History

This is over doing it but even plants* like beer.........

This one is for our esteemed host Typhoon**

ODKGVs8GvDE

Vash the Stampede..... The Humanoid Typhoon........... ;)

Beer as fertilizer............

http://greenopolis.com/goblog/joe-laur/ ... ystem-beer

Beer as slug :wink: control..........***

http://eartheasy.com/grow_nat_slug_cntrl.htm


And also to the Egyptians who invent distillation as I as use harder stuff like vodka and EverClear for herbal tinctures........ Everclear is better for topical tinctures: evaporates off the skin without being as sugar sticky..........

*including plants with guns :wink:

**No offense intended...........

***Important when so many people are trying to shoot your for the sixty-billion double-dollar reward :wink:

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How the Greeks - and a few other people - see Adolfin Merkel:

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Time for Southern European countries to go their own, collective way. A Mediterranean Union made up of Portugal, Spain, Italy, Slovenia, Greece, Cyprus and Malta, and open to future accession by Turkey, Lebanon, Israel, Tunisia and Morocco, would be a much more appealing proposition than the present submission to the frozen brained northern Europe...
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Endovelico wrote:How the Greeks - and a few other people - see Adolfin Merkel:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-TkuU2Kvb3Kc/T ... r+rose.jpg
So Chancellor Merkel is now free to invoke Godwin's Law in any future discussion with the Greeks.
Endovelico wrote:Time for Southern European countries to go their own, collective way. A Mediterranean Union made up of Portugal, Spain, Italy, Slovenia, Greece, Cyprus and Malta, and open to future accession by Turkey, Lebanon, Israel, Tunisia and Morocco, would be a much more appealing proposition than the present submission to the frozen brained northern Europe...
Do you think that the Greeks [Italians, Portuguese, Spanish, etc.] bear any responsibility for their current situation and predicament?
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Financial Times wrote:There were signs a group of triple A-rated governments, including Germany, Finland and the Netherlands, were hardening their stance towards Athens. During a conference call among eurozone finance minsters, the three countries suggested they may want additional letters from other smaller Greek parties and openly discussed the possibility of postponing Greek elections.

Ahead of the call, Wolfgang Schäuble, the German finance minister, said in a radio interview Greece might delay its polls and install a technocratic government that does not include politicians like Mr Venizelos and Mr Samaras, similar to the model currently in place in Italy.
With friends like these, Greece doesn't even need enemies anymore.
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YMix wrote:
Financial Times wrote:There were signs a group of triple A-rated governments, including Germany, Finland and the Netherlands, were hardening their stance towards Athens. During a conference call among eurozone finance minsters, the three countries suggested they may want additional letters from other smaller Greek parties and openly discussed the possibility of postponing Greek elections.

Ahead of the call, Wolfgang Schäuble, the German finance minister, said in a radio interview Greece might delay its polls and install a technocratic government that does not include politicians like Mr Venizelos and Mr Samaras, similar to the model currently in place in Italy.
With friends like these, Greece doesn't even need enemies anymore.
If it comes to this, then I think kicking Greece out of the EU is preferable - both side should cut their losses and move on.

One has to wonder if membership in the EU is worth what Greece is now experiencing.

However, I doubt that the financial community would allow this to happen.
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Endo ,

Greece must live within their means .. that is what Germany and others are asking

Nothing will help Greece except living within their means

leaving Euro Zone , inflating perpetually, and and and , does not solve anything

key is , living within your own means

same with all others you mentioned


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