Sign the Petition

[Hoosiernorm]

Sign the Petition

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petiti ... t/1wrvtngl

we petition the obama administration to:
Peacefully grant the State of Louisiana to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government.

As the founding fathers of the United States of America made clear in the Declaration of Independence in 1776:

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

"...Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government..."

[YMix]

"Any people anywhere being inclined and having the power have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right—a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people that can may revolutionize and make their own of so much of the territory as they inhabit."

—Abraham Lincoln

[Hoosiernorm]

Someone just added one for Texas

Can't give you the link because I accidentally signed this one and don't really want to sign many of these.

[Skin Job]

I like Louisiana and Texas, they need to stay in the Union. NY and CA, those are the petitions I'd sign.

[Juggernaut Nihilism]

I like Louisiana and Texas, they need to stay in the Union. NY and CA, those are the petitions I'd sign.

California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Nevada will be Mexican territories before the end of the century. Probably by 2050. So you'll be rid of us soon enough.

[Mr. Perfect]

The Southwest could go to Mexico, western OR, WA, MN, WI, and Chicago could go to Canada, New England down to northern VA could be it's own country and the Middle of America could function as it's own country. It would actually work pretty well and people for the most part would be happy.

Problem is how to divvy up the debt, so it's a non-starter in those terms, but. But. Forces are already in motion.

[Azrael]

It's rather amusing how quickly some people's minds turn to treason when their side loses an election.

[Mr. Perfect]

http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A3Sec3.html

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

[Nonc Hilaire]

It's rather amusing how quickly some people's minds turn to treason when their side loses an election.

Louisiana has three distinct sub-populations, but yeah - many conservative Republicans would have benefited from a "mourning after" pill Wednesday A.M.

[monster_gardener]

The Southwest could go to Mexico, western OR, WA, MN, WI, and Chicago could go to Canada, New England down to northern VA could be it's own country and the Middle of America could function as it's own country. It would actually work pretty well and people for the most part would be happy.

Problem is how to divvy up the debt, so it's a non-starter in those terms, but. But. Forces are already in motion.

Thank You Very Much for your post, Mr. Perfect.

Breaking Up is Hard to Do........

Not guaranteed to go as well AIUI the Czech/Slovak divorce did....

Might end up with things MUCH worse than they are now........

For a vision of how this might work out for Uz......

Friday by Robert Heinlein......... Think the Balkans on steroids .......... California as Slovenia one of the better places to be..........

Best of all............ Getting off planet to some place half way nice and sane......


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friday_%28novel%29


VSCg3yXdYzk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSCg3yXdYzk

[Hoosiernorm]

Well Florida, North Carolina, and Alabama have one up as well. Guess it's a real popular way for these dumbasses to spend their time.

[Juggernaut Nihilism]

The Southwest could go to Mexico, western OR, WA, MN, WI, and Chicago could go to Canada, New England down to northern VA could be it's own country and the Middle of America could function as it's own country. It would actually work pretty well and people for the most part would be happy.

Problem is how to divvy up the debt, so it's a non-starter in those terms, but. But. Forces are already in motion.

No, the mid-US would end up like Germany that way... need solid access to a long coast... maybe the Gulf Coast would work.

[Mr. Perfect]

Well it's not like we'd be military enemies on a war footing. West Coast ports would still work the same.

[Ibrahim]

Everyone is so full of sh*t after losing an election. People are too lazy to even follow through on their drunken boasts to move to Australia or Canada, yet they are going to rip the country asunder with petitions and Facebook campaigns? Have some dignity, guys.

[Juggernaut Nihilism]

It's rather amusing how quickly some people's minds turn to treason when their side loses an election.

Actually, it is kind of our badge of honor how little treason occurs in America after our elections. The idea of loyal opposition may be fading a bit, but historically speaking it is pretty remarkable that fully 49% of the country can be disgusted at an election result, no matter who wins, and pretty much nothing happens as a result.

[Jnalum Persicum]

It's rather amusing how quickly some people's minds turn to treason when their side loses an election.

true


Where is my vote

sounds familiar (Tehran)


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[Torchwood]

Didn't you guys have a war sometime, supposed to have settled this issue once and for all? Do jog my memory....


Needs updating. Those Canucks will have to learn Spanish as well as French.

[Mr. Perfect]

Yeah, California would go to Mexico. New England would go it's own way.

[Azrael]

It's rather amusing how quickly some people's minds turn to treason when their side loses an election.

Actually, it is kind of our badge of honor how little treason occurs in America after our elections. The idea of loyal opposition may be fading a bit, but historically speaking it is pretty remarkable that fully 49% of the country can be disgusted at an election result, no matter who wins, and pretty much nothing happens as a result.

That's true.

[Azrael]

Didn't you guys have a war sometime, supposed to have settled this issue once and for all? Do jog my memory....

According to some of the constitutional scholars on this forum, the Civil War is irrelevant.

[Ibrahim]

It's rather amusing how quickly some people's minds turn to treason when their side loses an election.

Actually, it is kind of our badge of honor how little treason occurs in America after our elections. The idea of loyal opposition may be fading a bit, but historically speaking it is pretty remarkable that fully 49% of the country can be disgusted at an election result, no matter who wins, and pretty much nothing happens as a result.

That's true.

This hilarious part is how quickly the losing team starts crying and talking about revolution or exodus after a scheduled, orderly, legal election that will shortly be duplicated.

[monster_gardener]

Well it's not like we'd be military enemies on a war footing. West Coast ports would still work the same.

Thank You Very Much for your post, Mr. Perfect.

Well it's not like we'd be military enemies on a war footing.

Recalling IIRC how Californicators turned back Okies and similar during the Dust Bowl...... *

West Coast ports would still work the same.

Maybe...... Maybe Not.....

What if the King oops I mean Presidente of Alta California decides he wants a new throne and raising port fees for Goods Going to Gringos back East to as high as the traffic will bear is easiest way to get the dinero oops I mean money without riling the Campesinos of California.........

Doesn't have to be a new throne...... Could be Social Services...... And the Campesinos de California would cheer.........

See you Friday........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friday_%28novel%29

*Besides being a depraved sinful Chaotic Killer Ape Monkey, I too was a Calfornicator at one time......
Still get nostalgic about it........ Miss many of the plant friends like Strawberry Shortcake oops I mean Strawberry Guava and Eugenia Berry.......
But G_d knows best where He moves us.......... Maybe to the Moon or Mars for the younger folks if we are lucky

[Azrael]

Well it's not like we'd be military enemies on a war footing. West Coast ports would still work the same.

But they'd charge the red states more. North Sudan is charging South Sudan an arm and a leg to use their ports.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

This has bad news written all over it; even if it "happens" to some extent after every election. I have a gut feeling that these positions are going to embolden some dummy to do something inane and self-defeating.

Let's say we wake up tomorrow and there are several prominent governors, congressmen, etc. who put real weight into actual succession.

What would happen then in today's world?

Would they be drone attack these secessionist politicians almost immediately? What's the chances of a rebel force actually succeeding this time? What world powers would be very interested in an American split.

How does one even start a rebellion in a society where everything you do is recorded?

[Mr. Perfect]

This is all just beginning. Just scratching the surface.