Turkey

[monster_gardener]

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Spengler : Tayyip Erdogan is the geopolitical cognate of the Talented Mr Ripley, Patricia Highsmith's fictional sociopath.





Astonished David took so long to answer Tayyip's "Israel a terrorist state"

well, David, party coming to an end .. one by one, you losing the friends

Finland said it the way it is


Told you, Monster, time not on Zionist side



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Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari.

Time is not on the side of Chaos Monkey Humanity unless we get off planet..........

And set up multiple anti-meteor squads for those who remain on Earth...........

[Heracleum Persicum]

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[Typhoon]

Hürriyet | Turkey's science state council halts publication of evolution books

[Doc]

http://www.latimes.com/news/world/world ... 4685.story

Turkish pianist convicted of insulting religion through tweets

Turkish pianist and composer Fazil Say at the Theatre des Champs-Elysees in Paris in 2010. (Fred Dufour / Agence France-Presse / Getty Images / February 9, 2010)
By Emily Alpert

April 15, 2013, 10:20 a.m.

A famed Turkish pianist was convicted Monday of insulting religion after sending a string of tweets deemed denigrating to Islam. Fazil Say was handed a suspended prison sentence of 10 months, according to news reports, stoking concerns in Turkey and abroad about freedom of speech.

The pianist reportedly invoked a verse by the Persian poet Omar Khayyam, which rhetorically asks believers if heaven is a tavern or a brothel, since wine and virgins are said to be waiting there.

Say also joked about an unusually short call to prayer, “Why such haste? Have you got a mistress waiting or [an alcoholic drink] on the table?”

Such statements took “a disrespectful, offensive and impertinent tone toward religious concepts such as heaven and the call to prayer,” Emre Bukagili, who filed an initial complaint against Say, wrote in an email to the Associated Press.

Because the prison sentence was suspended, Say will not spend time behind bars unless he reoffends in coming years. The conviction nonetheless alarmed Turkish secularists and rights activists, who called it another sign of a continued crackdown on free expression.

“Even if there’s no jail time, it sends a message that criticizing religion is an area that’s off-limits,” said Susan Corke, director of the Eurasia program at the international free speech group Freedom House.

Turkey under Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has been criticized repeatedly for trampling freedom of speech. Government critics also contend that the country, long known as a secular democracy, is bowing to religious conservatives under Erdogan and his religiously rooted party.

Activists contend that vague laws against terrorism allow reporters to be jailed for writing about outlawed Kurdish groups, making the country the worst jailer of journalists worldwide last year, according to the Committee to Protect Journalists. Other laws criminalize “denigration of the Turkish nation.” Amnesty International warned last month that free speech was “under attack in Turkey.”

“Hundreds of abusive prosecutions are brought against activists, journalists, writers and lawyers,” said John Dalhuisen, director for Europe and Central Asia for Amnesty International, in a statement. “The criminalization and incarceration of individuals simply for expressing their opinions must not continue.”

Alarm about the erosion of free speech could complicate the Turkish bid to join the European Union. The European Commission, the union's executive body, said it was concerned by the Monday ruling. Corke pointed out that Turkey had already signed onto European agreements enshrining free speech.

"They like to be viewed as a role model in the region ... part of this is living up to what they said they would do," Corke said.

Culture Minister Omer Celik appeared to distance himself from the ruling, telling Turkish media that while he didn’t wish for anyone to face trial for their speech, a court decision had been made.

Say said the ruling left him saddened for his country. The sentence "is alarming not only on a personal level, but in terms of freedom of expression and beliefs in Turkey," a statement posted Monday on his Facebook page said.

His attorney told the Associated Press that Say has not yet decided whether to appeal.

[Heracleum Persicum]

http://www.latimes.com/news/world/world ... 4685.story

Turkish pianist convicted of insulting religion through tweets

Turkish pianist and composer Fazil Say at the Theatre des Champs-Elysees in Paris in 2010. (Fred Dufour / Agence France-Presse / Getty Images / February 9, 2010)
By Emily Alpert

April 15, 2013, 10:20 a.m.

A famed Turkish pianist was convicted Monday of insulting religion after sending a string of tweets deemed denigrating to Islam. Fazil Say was handed a suspended prison sentence of 10 months, according to news reports, stoking concerns in Turkey and abroad about freedom of speech.

The pianist reportedly invoked a verse by the Persian poet Omar Khayyam, which rhetorically asks believers if heaven is a tavern or a brothel, since wine and virgins are said to be waiting there.

Say also joked about an unusually short call to prayer, “Why such haste? Have you got a mistress waiting or [an alcoholic drink] on the table?”

Such statements took “a disrespectful, offensive and impertinent tone toward religious concepts such as heaven and the call to prayer,” Emre Bukagili, who filed an initial complaint against Say, wrote in an email to the Associated Press.

Because the prison sentence was suspended, Say will not spend time behind bars unless he reoffends in coming years. The conviction nonetheless alarmed Turkish secularists and rights activists, who called it another sign of a continued crackdown on free expression.

“Even if there’s no jail time, it sends a message that criticizing religion is an area that’s off-limits,” said Susan Corke, director of the Eurasia program at the international free speech group Freedom House.

Turkey under Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has been criticized repeatedly for trampling freedom of speech. Government critics also contend that the country, long known as a secular democracy, is bowing to religious conservatives under Erdogan and his religiously rooted party.

Activists contend that vague laws against terrorism allow reporters to be jailed for writing about outlawed Kurdish groups, making the country the worst jailer of journalists worldwide last year, according to the Committee to Protect Journalists. Other laws criminalize “denigration of the Turkish nation.” Amnesty International warned last month that free speech was “under attack in Turkey.”

“Hundreds of abusive prosecutions are brought against activists, journalists, writers and lawyers,” said John Dalhuisen, director for Europe and Central Asia for Amnesty International, in a statement. “The criminalization and incarceration of individuals simply for expressing their opinions must not continue.”

Alarm about the erosion of free speech could complicate the Turkish bid to join the European Union. The European Commission, the union's executive body, said it was concerned by the Monday ruling. Corke pointed out that Turkey had already signed onto European agreements enshrining free speech.

"They like to be viewed as a role model in the region ... part of this is living up to what they said they would do," Corke said.

Culture Minister Omer Celik appeared to distance himself from the ruling, telling Turkish media that while he didn’t wish for anyone to face trial for their speech, a court decision had been made.

Say said the ruling left him saddened for his country. The sentence "is alarming not only on a personal level, but in terms of freedom of expression and beliefs in Turkey," a statement posted Monday on his Facebook page said.

His attorney told the Associated Press that Say has not yet decided whether to appeal.

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" Persian poet Omar Khayyam, which rhetorically asks believers if heaven is a tavern or a brothel, since wine and virgins are said to be waiting there "



Correct me, Hans, if I' wrong, but I do not think In Koran there is any talk of Wine & Virgin .. am not even aware Koran saying do not drink wine (Vodka etc did not exist at that time .. and .. Alcohol was not discovered yet) .. all these invention of crooks

But

Must agree with Turkish court convicting Turkish pianist for insulting religion

Look, guys

What did Cyrus the Persian decree ? ?

Respect other people's religions and traditions and believes

Issue not whether Islam or Judaism or Mormons or Jesuits good or bad or even ridiculous .. Cyrus said respect other people's believes and traditions and and .. tolerance means respect and acceptance of other people's believes .. that is the essence of Cyrus the Persian that Jefferson so much looked up to .. that is the real meaning of "Freedom of Religion" .. freedom of religion is not you can believe in what you want but we will f'ck you



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[Ibrahim]

http://www.latimes.com/news/world/world ... 4685.story

Turkish pianist convicted of insulting religion through tweets

Turkish pianist and composer Fazil Say at the Theatre des Champs-Elysees in Paris in 2010. (Fred Dufour / Agence France-Presse / Getty Images / February 9, 2010)
By Emily Alpert

April 15, 2013, 10:20 a.m.

A famed Turkish pianist was convicted Monday of insulting religion after sending a string of tweets deemed denigrating to Islam. Fazil Say was handed a suspended prison sentence of 10 months, according to news reports, stoking concerns in Turkey and abroad about freedom of speech.

The pianist reportedly invoked a verse by the Persian poet Omar Khayyam, which rhetorically asks believers if heaven is a tavern or a brothel, since wine and virgins are said to be waiting there.

Say also joked about an unusually short call to prayer, “Why such haste? Have you got a mistress waiting or [an alcoholic drink] on the table?”

Such statements took “a disrespectful, offensive and impertinent tone toward religious concepts such as heaven and the call to prayer,” Emre Bukagili, who filed an initial complaint against Say, wrote in an email to the Associated Press.

Because the prison sentence was suspended, Say will not spend time behind bars unless he reoffends in coming years. The conviction nonetheless alarmed Turkish secularists and rights activists, who called it another sign of a continued crackdown on free expression.

“Even if there’s no jail time, it sends a message that criticizing religion is an area that’s off-limits,” said Susan Corke, director of the Eurasia program at the international free speech group Freedom House.

Turkey under Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has been criticized repeatedly for trampling freedom of speech. Government critics also contend that the country, long known as a secular democracy, is bowing to religious conservatives under Erdogan and his religiously rooted party.

Activists contend that vague laws against terrorism allow reporters to be jailed for writing about outlawed Kurdish groups, making the country the worst jailer of journalists worldwide last year, according to the Committee to Protect Journalists. Other laws criminalize “denigration of the Turkish nation.” Amnesty International warned last month that free speech was “under attack in Turkey.”

“Hundreds of abusive prosecutions are brought against activists, journalists, writers and lawyers,” said John Dalhuisen, director for Europe and Central Asia for Amnesty International, in a statement. “The criminalization and incarceration of individuals simply for expressing their opinions must not continue.”

Alarm about the erosion of free speech could complicate the Turkish bid to join the European Union. The European Commission, the union's executive body, said it was concerned by the Monday ruling. Corke pointed out that Turkey had already signed onto European agreements enshrining free speech.

"They like to be viewed as a role model in the region ... part of this is living up to what they said they would do," Corke said.

Culture Minister Omer Celik appeared to distance himself from the ruling, telling Turkish media that while he didn’t wish for anyone to face trial for their speech, a court decision had been made.

Say said the ruling left him saddened for his country. The sentence "is alarming not only on a personal level, but in terms of freedom of expression and beliefs in Turkey," a statement posted Monday on his Facebook page said.

His attorney told the Associated Press that Say has not yet decided whether to appeal.

Trying to explain why there should be no legal restrictions on blasphemy to the average Middle Eastern or Central Asian person is like trying to explain to red state Americans that guns don't make you safer and should be restricted.

[Doc]

http://www.latimes.com/news/world/world ... 4685.story

Turkish pianist convicted of insulting religion through tweets

Turkish pianist and composer Fazil Say at the Theatre des Champs-Elysees in Paris in 2010. (Fred Dufour / Agence France-Presse / Getty Images / February 9, 2010)
By Emily Alpert

April 15, 2013, 10:20 a.m.

A famed Turkish pianist was convicted Monday of insulting religion after sending a string of tweets deemed denigrating to Islam. Fazil Say was handed a suspended prison sentence of 10 months, according to news reports, stoking concerns in Turkey and abroad about freedom of speech.

The pianist reportedly invoked a verse by the Persian poet Omar Khayyam, which rhetorically asks believers if heaven is a tavern or a brothel, since wine and virgins are said to be waiting there.

Say also joked about an unusually short call to prayer, “Why such haste? Have you got a mistress waiting or [an alcoholic drink] on the table?”

Such statements took “a disrespectful, offensive and impertinent tone toward religious concepts such as heaven and the call to prayer,” Emre Bukagili, who filed an initial complaint against Say, wrote in an email to the Associated Press.

Because the prison sentence was suspended, Say will not spend time behind bars unless he reoffends in coming years. The conviction nonetheless alarmed Turkish secularists and rights activists, who called it another sign of a continued crackdown on free expression.

“Even if there’s no jail time, it sends a message that criticizing religion is an area that’s off-limits,” said Susan Corke, director of the Eurasia program at the international free speech group Freedom House.

Turkey under Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has been criticized repeatedly for trampling freedom of speech. Government critics also contend that the country, long known as a secular democracy, is bowing to religious conservatives under Erdogan and his religiously rooted party.

Activists contend that vague laws against terrorism allow reporters to be jailed for writing about outlawed Kurdish groups, making the country the worst jailer of journalists worldwide last year, according to the Committee to Protect Journalists. Other laws criminalize “denigration of the Turkish nation.” Amnesty International warned last month that free speech was “under attack in Turkey.”

“Hundreds of abusive prosecutions are brought against activists, journalists, writers and lawyers,” said John Dalhuisen, director for Europe and Central Asia for Amnesty International, in a statement. “The criminalization and incarceration of individuals simply for expressing their opinions must not continue.”

Alarm about the erosion of free speech could complicate the Turkish bid to join the European Union. The European Commission, the union's executive body, said it was concerned by the Monday ruling. Corke pointed out that Turkey had already signed onto European agreements enshrining free speech.

"They like to be viewed as a role model in the region ... part of this is living up to what they said they would do," Corke said.

Culture Minister Omer Celik appeared to distance himself from the ruling, telling Turkish media that while he didn’t wish for anyone to face trial for their speech, a court decision had been made.

Say said the ruling left him saddened for his country. The sentence "is alarming not only on a personal level, but in terms of freedom of expression and beliefs in Turkey," a statement posted Monday on his Facebook page said.

His attorney told the Associated Press that Say has not yet decided whether to appeal.

Trying to explain why there should be no legal restrictions on blasphemy to the average Middle Eastern or Central Asian person is like trying to explain to red state Americans that guns don't make you safer and should be restricted.

Guns do make you safer. Even if you don't own one.

[Ibrahim]

http://www.latimes.com/news/world/world ... 4685.story

Turkish pianist convicted of insulting religion through tweets

Turkish pianist and composer Fazil Say at the Theatre des Champs-Elysees in Paris in 2010. (Fred Dufour / Agence France-Presse / Getty Images / February 9, 2010)
By Emily Alpert

April 15, 2013, 10:20 a.m.

A famed Turkish pianist was convicted Monday of insulting religion after sending a string of tweets deemed denigrating to Islam. Fazil Say was handed a suspended prison sentence of 10 months, according to news reports, stoking concerns in Turkey and abroad about freedom of speech.

The pianist reportedly invoked a verse by the Persian poet Omar Khayyam, which rhetorically asks believers if heaven is a tavern or a brothel, since wine and virgins are said to be waiting there.

Say also joked about an unusually short call to prayer, “Why such haste? Have you got a mistress waiting or [an alcoholic drink] on the table?”

Such statements took “a disrespectful, offensive and impertinent tone toward religious concepts such as heaven and the call to prayer,” Emre Bukagili, who filed an initial complaint against Say, wrote in an email to the Associated Press.

Because the prison sentence was suspended, Say will not spend time behind bars unless he reoffends in coming years. The conviction nonetheless alarmed Turkish secularists and rights activists, who called it another sign of a continued crackdown on free expression.

“Even if there’s no jail time, it sends a message that criticizing religion is an area that’s off-limits,” said Susan Corke, director of the Eurasia program at the international free speech group Freedom House.

Turkey under Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has been criticized repeatedly for trampling freedom of speech. Government critics also contend that the country, long known as a secular democracy, is bowing to religious conservatives under Erdogan and his religiously rooted party.

Activists contend that vague laws against terrorism allow reporters to be jailed for writing about outlawed Kurdish groups, making the country the worst jailer of journalists worldwide last year, according to the Committee to Protect Journalists. Other laws criminalize “denigration of the Turkish nation.” Amnesty International warned last month that free speech was “under attack in Turkey.”

“Hundreds of abusive prosecutions are brought against activists, journalists, writers and lawyers,” said John Dalhuisen, director for Europe and Central Asia for Amnesty International, in a statement. “The criminalization and incarceration of individuals simply for expressing their opinions must not continue.”

Alarm about the erosion of free speech could complicate the Turkish bid to join the European Union. The European Commission, the union's executive body, said it was concerned by the Monday ruling. Corke pointed out that Turkey had already signed onto European agreements enshrining free speech.

"They like to be viewed as a role model in the region ... part of this is living up to what they said they would do," Corke said.

Culture Minister Omer Celik appeared to distance himself from the ruling, telling Turkish media that while he didn’t wish for anyone to face trial for their speech, a court decision had been made.

Say said the ruling left him saddened for his country. The sentence "is alarming not only on a personal level, but in terms of freedom of expression and beliefs in Turkey," a statement posted Monday on his Facebook page said.

His attorney told the Associated Press that Say has not yet decided whether to appeal.

Trying to explain why there should be no legal restrictions on blasphemy to the average Middle Eastern or Central Asian person is like trying to explain to red state Americans that guns don't make you safer and should be restricted.

Guns do make you safer. Even if you don't own one.

However strongly you believe that statement, that's how strongly people in certain places believe that blasphemy should be illegal.

[Doc]

http://www.latimes.com/news/world/world ... 4685.story

Turkish pianist convicted of insulting religion through tweets

Turkish pianist and composer Fazil Say at the Theatre des Champs-Elysees in Paris in 2010. (Fred Dufour / Agence France-Presse / Getty Images / February 9, 2010)
By Emily Alpert

April 15, 2013, 10:20 a.m.

A famed Turkish pianist was convicted Monday of insulting religion after sending a string of tweets deemed denigrating to Islam. Fazil Say was handed a suspended prison sentence of 10 months, according to news reports, stoking concerns in Turkey and abroad about freedom of speech.

The pianist reportedly invoked a verse by the Persian poet Omar Khayyam, which rhetorically asks believers if heaven is a tavern or a brothel, since wine and virgins are said to be waiting there.

Say also joked about an unusually short call to prayer, “Why such haste? Have you got a mistress waiting or [an alcoholic drink] on the table?”

Such statements took “a disrespectful, offensive and impertinent tone toward religious concepts such as heaven and the call to prayer,” Emre Bukagili, who filed an initial complaint against Say, wrote in an email to the Associated Press.

Because the prison sentence was suspended, Say will not spend time behind bars unless he reoffends in coming years. The conviction nonetheless alarmed Turkish secularists and rights activists, who called it another sign of a continued crackdown on free expression.

“Even if there’s no jail time, it sends a message that criticizing religion is an area that’s off-limits,” said Susan Corke, director of the Eurasia program at the international free speech group Freedom House.

Turkey under Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has been criticized repeatedly for trampling freedom of speech. Government critics also contend that the country, long known as a secular democracy, is bowing to religious conservatives under Erdogan and his religiously rooted party.

Activists contend that vague laws against terrorism allow reporters to be jailed for writing about outlawed Kurdish groups, making the country the worst jailer of journalists worldwide last year, according to the Committee to Protect Journalists. Other laws criminalize “denigration of the Turkish nation.” Amnesty International warned last month that free speech was “under attack in Turkey.”

“Hundreds of abusive prosecutions are brought against activists, journalists, writers and lawyers,” said John Dalhuisen, director for Europe and Central Asia for Amnesty International, in a statement. “The criminalization and incarceration of individuals simply for expressing their opinions must not continue.”

Alarm about the erosion of free speech could complicate the Turkish bid to join the European Union. The European Commission, the union's executive body, said it was concerned by the Monday ruling. Corke pointed out that Turkey had already signed onto European agreements enshrining free speech.

"They like to be viewed as a role model in the region ... part of this is living up to what they said they would do," Corke said.

Culture Minister Omer Celik appeared to distance himself from the ruling, telling Turkish media that while he didn’t wish for anyone to face trial for their speech, a court decision had been made.

Say said the ruling left him saddened for his country. The sentence "is alarming not only on a personal level, but in terms of freedom of expression and beliefs in Turkey," a statement posted Monday on his Facebook page said.

His attorney told the Associated Press that Say has not yet decided whether to appeal.

Trying to explain why there should be no legal restrictions on blasphemy to the average Middle Eastern or Central Asian person is like trying to explain to red state Americans that guns don't make you safer and should be restricted.

Guns do make you safer. Even if you don't own one.

However strongly you believe that statement, that's how strongly people in certain places believe that blasphemy should be illegal.

I am not going to kill anyone for saying they want to take away guns from me.

[Ibrahim]

Nobody died in this story either.

[Doc]

Nobody died in this story either.

YOU SAID:

However strongly you believe that statement, that's how strongly people in certain places believe that blasphemy should be illegal.

You can't claim people have not been killed by Muslim angry because they felt someone Blasphemed Islam. How many people have had Fatwa made against them calling for their death because 'They committed blasphemy against Islam?" We only hear about the ones that are already famous.

[Ibrahim]

Nobody died in this story either.

YOU SAID:

However strongly you believe that statement, that's how strongly people in certain places believe that blasphemy should be illegal.

You can't claim people have not been killed by Muslim angry because they felt someone Blasphemed Islam. How many people have had Fatwa made against them calling for their death because 'They committed blasphemy against Islam?" We only hear about the ones that are already famous.

This thread is called "Turkey" and you posted a story in which nothing violent happened. Are there any specific incidents you want to discuss or do you just want to repeat some talk-radio rant from 2002?

If you want to just rant about Muslims generally start a thread in "philosophy," or better yet "hell."

[Doc]

Nobody died in this story either.

YOU SAID:

However strongly you believe that statement, that's how strongly people in certain places believe that blasphemy should be illegal.

You can't claim people have not been killed by Muslim angry because they felt someone Blasphemed Islam. How many people have had Fatwa made against them calling for their death because 'They committed blasphemy against Islam?" We only hear about the ones that are already famous.

This thread is called "Turkey" and you posted a story in which nothing violent happened. Are there any specific incidents you want to discuss or do you just want to repeat some talk-radio rant from 2002?

If you want to just rant about Muslims generally start a thread in "philosophy," or better yet "hell."

Ibrahim quit being a jerk.

[Ibrahim]

Nobody died in this story either.

YOU SAID:

However strongly you believe that statement, that's how strongly people in certain places believe that blasphemy should be illegal.

You can't claim people have not been killed by Muslim angry because they felt someone Blasphemed Islam. How many people have had Fatwa made against them calling for their death because 'They committed blasphemy against Islam?" We only hear about the ones that are already famous.

This thread is called "Turkey" and you posted a story in which nothing violent happened. Are there any specific incidents you want to discuss or do you just want to repeat some talk-radio rant from 2002?

If you want to just rant about Muslims generally start a thread in "philosophy," or better yet "hell."

Ibrahim quit being a jerk.

You just wanted to share some common knowledge. I'm clearly at fault here.

[Doc]

Nobody died in this story either.

YOU SAID:

However strongly you believe that statement, that's how strongly people in certain places believe that blasphemy should be illegal.

You can't claim people have not been killed by Muslim angry because they felt someone Blasphemed Islam. How many people have had Fatwa made against them calling for their death because 'They committed blasphemy against Islam?" We only hear about the ones that are already famous.

This thread is called "Turkey" and you posted a story in which nothing violent happened. Are there any specific incidents you want to discuss or do you just want to repeat some talk-radio rant from 2002?

If you want to just rant about Muslims generally start a thread in "philosophy," or better yet "hell."

Ibrahim quit being a jerk.

You just wanted to share some common knowledge. I'm clearly at fault here.

Thank you. I was actually hoping you had something to say about it other than taking it off track.

[Ibrahim]

[Doc]

I guess you are what you are Ibrahim.

[Ibrahim]

I guess you are what you are Ibrahim.

Indeed I am: somebody who is able to stay on topic without suddenly ranting about "common knowledge" about the Islamic world that you read on some News Corp source or a bathroom stall. You constantly post filth and then insult me for trying to corral you back onto the subject at hand? By all means, pretend you have some kind of moral superiority when I've seen nothing but shameful behavior from you. Though frankly I've given up trying to find any common ground with most people on this forum based on decency or honesty. That's not what people on the Internet are interested in.

[Doc]

I guess you are what you are Ibrahim.

Indeed I am: somebody who is able to stay on topic without suddenly ranting about "common knowledge" about the Islamic world that you read on some News Corp source or a bathroom stall. You constantly post filth and then insult me for trying to corral you back onto the subject at hand? By all means, pretend you have some kind of moral superiority when I've seen nothing but shameful behavior from you. Though frankly I've given up trying to find any common ground with most people on this forum based on decency or honesty. That's not what people on the Internet are interested in.

Ibrathim you are the one that wrote the sentence about "common knowledge" You are the one that originally repsonded to this story with an off topic diversion about gun control in the US.

Do please try to keep up will you?

[Ibrahim]

I guess you are what you are Ibrahim.

Indeed I am: somebody who is able to stay on topic without suddenly ranting about "common knowledge" about the Islamic world that you read on some News Corp source or a bathroom stall. You constantly post filth and then insult me for trying to corral you back onto the subject at hand? By all means, pretend you have some kind of moral superiority when I've seen nothing but shameful behavior from you. Though frankly I've given up trying to find any common ground with most people on this forum based on decency or honesty. That's not what people on the Internet are interested in.

Ibrathim you are the one that wrote the sentence about "common knowledge"

Indicating that your off-topic ranting about Muslims relied on no specific incident but was supposed to reflect "common knowledge" among propaganda casualties such as yourself.

You are the one that originally repsonded to this story with an off topic diversion about gun control in the US.

It was to illustrate the strength of conviction, not to actually discuss guns as an issue. You seem to have a problem categorizing things logically. You can't understand the difference between comparison and a change of subject.

Do please try to keep up will you?

I can never keep ahead of all of your false claims and illogical leaps. I'm not familiar with sloppy and irrational thinking from my day-to-day life, I only encounter it online. But I no longer expect better of you, so I'll try not to be to hard on you when you make false claims or personal insults in the future. You're only capable of so much.

[Doc]

I guess you are what you are Ibrahim.

Indeed I am: somebody who is able to stay on topic without suddenly ranting about "common knowledge" about the Islamic world that you read on some News Corp source or a bathroom stall. You constantly post filth and then insult me for trying to corral you back onto the subject at hand? By all means, pretend you have some kind of moral superiority when I've seen nothing but shameful behavior from you. Though frankly I've given up trying to find any common ground with most people on this forum based on decency or honesty. That's not what people on the Internet are interested in.

Ibrathim you are the one that wrote the sentence about "common knowledge"

Indicating that your off-topic ranting about Muslims relied on no specific incident but was supposed to reflect "common knowledge" among propaganda casualties such as yourself.

Where have I been ranting about Muslims at all...? I have been presenting facts whether you are big enough to accept the facts or not. I post the article here because it was about Turkey and this particular forum is about the Middle east and the thread about Turkey. I made no comment about the article at all you replied by making an off topic response about gun in the US.

When I said I posted it to get your opinion particularly I honestly meant that. If you can't accept that that is your problem not mine. But by your reaction I can judge your opinion to be one of two things. 1)you are angry because you can't figure out how to compete in debate with me on Iraq. Cannot accept in any many that I might just be correct OR 2) you think that Fazil Say'c conviction for blasphemy is perfectly acceptable.

If I am wrong and neither of the above is true then please by any rational means, say why.



Snipped further personal attacks.

[Ibrahim]

Where have I been ranting about Muslims at all...?

Lets have a look, shall we?

Nobody died in this story either.

You can't claim people have not been killed by Muslim angry because they felt someone Blasphemed Islam. How many people have had Fatwa made against them calling for their death because 'They committed blasphemy against Islam?" We only hear about the ones that are already famous.

This thread is called "Turkey" and you posted a story in which nothing violent happened. Are there any specific incidents you want to discuss or do you just want to repeat some talk-radio rant from 2002?

If you want to just rant about Muslims generally start a thread in "philosophy," or better yet "hell."

Ibrahim quit being a jerk.

But by your reaction I can judge your opinion to be one of two things. 1)you are angry because you can't figure out how to compete in debate with me on Iraq. Cannot accept in any many that I might just be correct OR 2) you think that Fazil Say'c conviction for blasphemy is perfectly acceptable.

Wrong on both counts. My reaction to you is because you are an illogical, and it seems, dishonest person who only spews propaganda and knows nothing about any of these subject.

I've also crushed you in the Iraq debate over and over again across several threads. You never had a chance, you are a completely uneducated man repeating garbage told to him by other, only marginally better educated men.

I don't claim to know what motivates your disgusting behavior and I don't care. In any case experience tells me you will demonstrate your real motivations soon enough.

[Doc]

Where have I been ranting about Muslims at all...?

Lets have a look, shall we?

Boring. The key term was ranting. Like you ranting about my '"lying"

You can't show I was lying Ibrahim. Though I can see that it drives you crazy that you can't. Do you even have an idea as to why you can't Ibrahim?

[Ibrahim]

Where have I been ranting about Muslims at all...?

Lets have a look, shall we?

Boring. The key term was ranting.

Which is what you were doing. Unsubstantiated, off-topic ranting.

You can't show I was lying Ibrahim. Though I can see that it drives you crazy that you can't.

You mean in the other thread? At first you were repeating other people's lies, but then you started lying about what I was saying in the thread itself. These are two different things, but your inability to understand the difference, or either individually, is no concern of mine.

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Where have I been ranting about Muslims at all...?

Lets have a look, shall we?

Boring. The key term was ranting.

Which is what you were doing. Unsubstantiated, off-topic ranting.

Unsubstantiated off-topic ranting huh? That is rich.

You can't show I was lying Ibrahim. Though I can see that it drives you crazy that you can't.

You mean in the other thread?

In any thread

At first you were repeating other people's lies, but then you started lying about what I was saying in the thread itself.

OH really?? So tell me Ibrahim exactly how was I doing that? And what were you saying that I lied about exactly?

These are two different things, but your inability to understand the difference, or either individually, is no concern of mine.

You still have not shown anything to back up anything you have said. Nothing.

Now why is that?