The Tea Party vs. the GOP thread

[monster_gardener]

They know the debt ceiling fight is bad for them, and this is an election year.

And the Debt is bad for everyone. Too Bad the democrats will just spend spend spend till the ratings agencies take the T bills away.

Thank You VERY MUCH for your for your post, Doc,

And the Debt is bad for everyone.

You may be correct......

But I'm not so sure about it....

Seems likely that some of the Political Economic Elite/Killer Klowns from Financial Space on Wall Street and in Washington, D.C. (District of Criminals) will figure out a way to benefit or not be hurt as much as those of US Down in the Black Gang......

Too Bad the democrats will just spend spend spend till the ratings agencies take the T bills away.

Clever!

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[Mr. Perfect]

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Entertaining.

Reminds me of California Gubernatorial elections.

[YMix]

The Tea Party is blossoming like a rose.

I can see that.

Sen. Rand Paul wanted to eliminate aid to Israel. Now he doesn’t. He wanted to scrap the Medicare system. Now he’s not sure.

He didn’t like the idea of a border fence — it was expensive, and it reminded him of the Berlin Wall. Now he wants two fences, one behind the other.

And what about same-sex marriage? Paul’s position — such marriages are morally wrong, but Republicans should stop obsessing about them — seems so muddled that an Iowa pastor recently confronted him in frustration.

“With all due respect, that sounds very retreatist of you,” minister Michael Demastus said he told Paul (R-Ky.) after the senator explained his position during a stop in Des Moines.

[YMix]

Bill Haslam vs. The Tea Party Wing of GOP
Posted By Steve Cavendish on Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Last week, Rep. Rick Womick (R-Rockvale) called Gov. Bill Haslam a traitor for organizing support against dissident members of the conservative wing of the party.

Haslam's response? I didn't do it, but it wouldn't matter if I did.

Asked whether he denies Womick’s assertion that the governor had a direct hand in targeting lawmakers, Haslam said, “Again, I have folks who have supported us who are concerned about who gets elected to the legislature, and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that.”

Haslam said, “I didn’t select one opponent, I can assure you that.” He added he didn’t encourage anyone to run against targeted legislators.

“As you know, contests get very personal. And so you start to hear lots of conversation back and forth about who’s doing this or that, and you know, it’s not always accurate,” he said.

Womick penned a letter earlier this month calling out what he called the administration’s “treasonous targeting, in this month’s primary.”

[YMix]

The tea party’s victory drought against establishment Republicans persisted in the hard-fought battle for the GOP nomination for a U.S. Senate seat in Alaska, as former state Atty. Gen. Dan Sullivan defeated tea party favorite Joe Miller.

Victory drought = blooooooming.

[Mr. Perfect]

I think relying on Washington Post articles may be your first problem. It appears they did not report on the defeat of Eric Cantor, a defeat which ended amnesty in the congress. Just so you know who is really running the show.

Did you see the election between Hillary and obama. Have you seen the power struggle going on between them right now.

Did you see the Kentucky Democrat who took out an ad against obama or are you in the same bunker as Zack Morris.

Here is the ad if youtube is blocked in your bunker. Lo info.

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You've got a teabagger running as a Democrat. What do you do with that?

[YMix]

I think relying on Washington Post articles may be your first problem.

It came up in the Google search results. And it's one out of three articles I quoted.

Did you see the election between Hillary and obama. Have you seen the power struggle going on between them right now.

Does it matter? Obama is out of the game and Hillary is a party hack. F them both.

Did you see the Kentucky Democrat who took out an ad against obama or are you in the same bunker as Zack Morris.

Not enough for an insurgent movement or to bring down the political duopoly. That's what interests me.

[monster_gardener]

I think relying on Washington Post articles may be your first problem.

It came up in the Google search results. And it's one out of three articles I quoted.

Did you see the election between Hillary and obama. Have you seen the power struggle going on between them right now.

Does it matter? Obama is out of the game and Hillary is a party hack. F them both.

Did you see the Kentucky Democrat who took out an ad against obama or are you in the same bunker as Zack Morris.

Not enough for an insurgent movement or to bring down the political duopoly. That's what interests me.

Thank You VERY MUCH for your post and maintaining the forum.

Obama is out of the game and Hillary is a party hack. F them both.

Quite Correct!

Seconded!

Not enough for an insurgent movement or to bring down the political duopoly. That's what interests me.

But IMVHO perhaps enough to hamper or at least slow down the Mainstream Chamber of Crony Capitalism Republicans* who have to cater some to the Tea Party Republicans to maintain power...

Victories can be small....

A matter of degrees....

Perhaps sometimes just slowing down the rate of poison flow....

Again, I believe the key may be the States: Need to go back to State Legislature election of Senators* to avoid National Party domination of the Senate.... Perhaps require that any potential President first have been a sucessful State Governor....


*As they in coordination with the America hating PC DemonRAT National Level DemocRATs try to throw open the border and otherwise degrade America..... Each group of Killer Klowns for their own peculiar evil reasons...

**Or perhaps have Senators appointed by the State Governor for his term of office to help Governors stand against the President as necessary as with obama the POS POTUS refusing to protect the border but also refusing the States to do that...

[monster_gardener]

I think relying on Washington Post articles may be your first problem. It appears they did not report on the defeat of Eric Cantor, a defeat which ended amnesty in the congress. Just so you know who is really running the show.

Did you see the election between Hillary and obama. Have you seen the power struggle going on between them right now.

Did you see the Kentucky Democrat who took out an ad against obama or are you in the same bunker as Zack Morris.

Here is the ad if youtube is blocked in your bunker. Lo info.

PQEJBpeIhVI

You've got a teabagger running as a Democrat. What do you do with that?

Thank You VERY MUCH for your post, Mr. Perfect.

You've got a teabagger running as a Democrat.

I get your point but......

Corrected: You've got a teabagger Lying DemocRat running as a fake Tea Partier

IMO once in WashingToon District of Criminals, that lying 3itch Grimes will be quite as grimy a DemonRat DemocRat as her friend Billary ClinToon....


And even if she was a true Blue Dog Democrat like Joe Manchin of West Virginia seems to be, she would still help keep that Enemy of the 1st Amendment & Lawless DemonRAT Gunslinger Dirty Harry Reid in Power.....


Motto for 2014: No votes for DemocRats at the national level.... Especially as SenNutters in the Senate...

And keep a close watch on ones at lower levels.....

Really need to be close enough that one can walk into their office easily...

Good rule: Don't vote for ANY politician who won't take calls on a local talk show or do the equivalent...

[Mr. Perfect]

It came up in the Google search results. And it's one out of three articles I quoted.

Be careful of what you read online. A lot of it is lies.

Does it matter? Obama is out of the game and Hillary is a party hack. F them both.

It does matter because it betrays your moral and intellectual bankruptcy. When 2 people are guilty of a thing and you only condemn one it is an injustice.

Not enough for an insurgent movement or to bring down the political duopoly. That's what interests me.

The Tea Party was/is very open to ending duopoly, as opposed to anything found on the left. You should really like teabaggers. Maybe you should join with us instead of fighting us.

[Mr. Perfect]

Corrected: You've got a teabagger Lying DemocRat running as a fake Tea Partier

Very well put mg. Well spotted.

[YMix]

Be careful of what you read online. A lot of it is lies.

Not to mention that some people simply avoid inconvenient truths.

It does matter because it betrays your moral and intellectual bankruptcy. When 2 people are guilty of a thing and you only condemn one it is an injustice.

You aren't trying to cause me emotional pain, are you?

The Tea Party was/is very open to ending duopoly, as opposed to anything found on the left. You should really like teabaggers. Maybe you should join with us instead of fighting us.

If the Tea Party were interested in ending the duopoly, it should have ditched the GOP and formed a third party. Better yet, the third, fourth and fifth parties. Still, knowing your ideas, I imagine that the Tea Party wanted to end the duopoly only to foist a monopoly upon the citizenry. You're that kind of guy.

[YMix]

See, look at these divisions and power struggles. Democrat vs. Democrat.

Struggles over policy at the top? Not interesting. Probably a bunch of people who think the party line could hurt them in elections, but would return to it immediately after the polls close. That's not an insurgent movement, just palace factions jockeying for advantages.

[monster_gardener]

Corrected: You've got a teabagger Lying DemocRat running as a fake Tea Partier

Very well put mg. Well spotted.

Thank YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR KIND REPLY, Mr. Perfect.

THANK YOU for the VERY KIND WORDS.

Glad you liked it.....

BTW Fox News, IIRC Greta Van Susterin, covered AliceSin Blunderland Grimes' Ad and McConnell's follow up to it which exposed that Grimes did support POS POTUS obama on Coal and Gun Control....

A Senator AliceSin Blunderland Grimes would be just another Senatorial 3itch for obama the POS POTUS and his Evil Henchman Dirty Harry Reid.... A pretty 3itch* but still a 3itch

*ATTN: Alex Manolo eThinker.... Quit wasting your time on Nancy Pelosi....

[Mr. Perfect]

Not to mention that some people simply avoid inconvenient truths.

Nt some people. A lot of people.

You aren't trying to cause me emotional pain, are you?

It didn't occur to me. I'm trying and succeeding at winning debates. This one is pretty easy.

If the Tea Party were interested in ending the duopoly, it should have ditched the GOP and formed a third party.

They did. It's called a Tea Party,

Better yet, the third, fourth and fifth parties. Still, knowing your ideas, I imagine that the Tea Party wanted to end the duopoly only to foist a monopoly upon the citizenry. You're that kind of guy.

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Every party seeks a monopoly. If you get to do it why can't we do it. You're that kind of guy.

[Mr. Perfect]

Struggles over policy at the top? Not interesting.

It's the same struggle between the TP and the GOP, which you apparently find fascinating.

Probably a bunch of people who think the party line could hurt them in elections, but would return to it immediately after the polls close. That's not an insurgent movement, just palace factions jockeying for advantages.

A distinction without a difference. obama clearly has to deal with insurgent factions as much as the GOP does. obama was an insurgent himself, now Hillary is his insurgent.

The press is now calling it mutiny. So you'll have to argue with them.

[YMix]

They did. It's called a Tea Party

Lame.

Every party seeks a monopoly. If you get to do it why can't we do it. You're that kind of guy.

I get to do it?

[YMix]

It's the same struggle between the TP and the GOP, which you apparently find fascinating.

Because the Tea Party is supposed to be a grassroots movement. It's the GOP establishment vs. the people.

A distinction without a difference. Obama clearly has to deal with insurgent factions as much as the GOP does. Obama was an insurgent himself, now Hillary is his insurgent.

I don't see Obama or Hillary as insurgents. They are party regulars.

The press is now calling it mutiny. So you'll have to argue with them.

Really?

[Mr. Perfect]

Lame.

We're just keeping it real.

I get to do it?

Sure. The Democrats got near record one party rule from 2009-2010, didn't see you complain about it once.

[Mr. Perfect]

Because the Tea Party is supposed to be a grassroots movement. It's the GOP establishment vs. the people.

That's one characterization, the one I am familiar with is the people vs the Washington establishment, mostly liberal Democrat.

Either way, why would anyone complain about it.

I don't see Obama or Hillary as insurgents. They are party regulars.

obama ran as and was celebrated as an insurgent. "Change you can believe in" was initially aimed at party favorite Hillary. HRC was considered "old politics" by the insurgent obama. It is part of his mythology.

Really?

Yep. I imagine we won't see much of you for a while, you'll be so busy with them.

[YMix]

We're just keeping it real.

The Tea Party is a faction within the GOP, not an independent party. Wake me up when things change.

Sure. The Democrats got near record one party rule from 2009-2010, didn't see you complain about it once.

I'm not a Democrat.

[YMix]

That's one characterization, the one I am familiar with is the people vs the Washington establishment, mostly liberal Democrat.

Coincidence.

Obama ran as and was celebrated as an insurgent. "Change you can believe in" was initially aimed at party favorite Hillary. HRC was considered "old politics" by the insurgent Obama. It is part of his mythology.

Every party hack and regular runs as an outsider. Probably some of the Tea Party's candidates, too.

Yep. I imagine we won't see much of you for a while, you'll be so busy with them.

Keep imagining things.

[Mr. Perfect]

The Tea Party is a faction within the GOP, not an independent party. Wake me up when things change.

Which comes back to the question at hand, your inexplicable fixations in this thread.

I'm not a Democrat.

Shouldn't make a difference. If you are against one party rule you should have opposed them. But you didn't.

[Mr. Perfect]

Coincidence.

You think the Washington establishment is conservative Republican? Can you find a mainstream media outlet the promotes conservative ideas and Republican politicians?

Every party hack and regular runs as an outsider. Probably some of the Tea Party's candidates, too.

Yes, but you only seem complain about some hacks and not others.

Keep imagining things.

I imagined you had the courage of your convictions. Don't tell me I was wrong.

[YMix]

Which comes back to the question at hand, your inexplicable fixations in this thread.

It comes back to you trying to pass the Tea Party off as an actual party. Why?

Shouldn't make a difference. If you are against one party rule you should have opposed them. But you didn't.

I have you opposing them for me.