The U.K.

[noddy]

their is a huge difference between what is better for the "country" from a government/corporate perspective and what is better from an average joe perspective.

average joes do better with less people, which means cheaper houses and more food and better lifestyles and better wages

corporates do better with millions of desperate doing wage slavery to keep a roof over their head, the more desperate people you have , the cheaper wages are, the more people their are, the more cream you have to skim off the top.

Azari's view of the world is very much the corporate view - but he only believes it for anglo countries, all the other countries should be "blood and soil, natives for natives"

globalism is dead, just some folks are out of touch and cant see it yet, or they are just anti west.

[Heracleum Persicum]

Unless you think Chinese and Indians have much lower IQ compared to Western, what you advocate only delays a bit the inevitable .. and .. end-result is much worst outcome for those sayin what you sayin.

IQ is fine everywhere. Means nothing and is no metric or source for reliable prediction in this context. Maybe Jesus had lower IQ than Jack the Ripper, but look who had more positive impact in the world. Lower IQ people often better readers of emotions and body language. Many animals much smarter in reading others. High IQ is just a modern fetish because it helps succeed in high tech society. High IQ also useful if you are a sociopath or psychopath. Extra tool to fool and manipulate others.

What I advocate, Cyrus 2.0 won't happen yet, the dice has rolled long ago. I'm just sharing my observations and recommendations. To borrow from Jordan Peterson who tries to live and behave as-if God exists, I write on OTNOT as-if anybody cares.

But you never know... a small seed...the butterfly effect....

The extended West, countries who seek win-win cooperation, with same core values (you know what those are).. can perfectly live, survive, thrive in every way while completely ignoring the SIRI cartel. Of course within this Cyrus the Great 2.0 empire, people can easily migrate, work anywhere with work visa, with each member state of course decides on its own immigration/refugee policies.

But you guessed it, this Empire, which will grow in size and power very easily, will have the largest army in the world with all deterrence you need to keep naughty cartels at bay outside the gate. It needs no violent conquests because it is the place everybody wants to be. Russia will join earlier than you'd expect because this is where it belongs. Being best friend of giant Poo Xi Panda is not a very safe posotion. Han Chinese only know one type of game: win-lose. Gangster logic.

China will end up more isolated, but as a modern economic colonizer it will gain significant territory in Africa, that is basically defenceless. If any ethnic group looks down on bogged down African blacks it is Han Chinese.

But Africans have tribal instincts as strong as any, which means at one point they realize they have let themselves be re-colonized again! Then it is a matter of time before those small yellow Han rats are kicked out if not exterminated.

USA decline will continue, but even half its size and power still a formidable force. Because very dynamic culture.. things can also suddenly turn around in right direction.

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In history of last 8000 yrs, China and Persi*ns ruled the world @least for 4-5000 yrs, uninterrupted .. they "colonialized" nobody.

Persi*ns and Chinese knew Africa, Europe, India etc very well, nobody was colonized neither plundered.

Romans started the spirit of plundering, colonializing, following the Athenian steps.

"Free labour" (slaves) went together with plundering others.

The famous "Hellenic Democracy" was only for "citizens", who were few .. The slave were the vast majority.

That mindset is still prevalent in West .. unfortunately.

If any ethnic group looks down on bogged down African blacks it is Han Chinese.

In "Old Civilizations" of Persi*ns and Chinese, it was always کبوتر با کبوتر , باز با باز , کند همجنس پرواز , crud translation: "birds of a feather flock together"

Notion that racial (and cultural) mixing shows and means "liberalism" is kidding oneself, it does not.

Racism was invented by West, by romans and Greek, the real Barbarians.

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[Heracleum Persicum]

their is a huge difference between what is better for the "country" from a government/corporate perspective and what is better from an average joe perspective.

average joes do better with less people, which means cheaper houses and more food and better lifestyles and better wages

corporates do better with millions of desperate doing wage slavery to keep a roof over their head, the more desperate people you have , the cheaper wages are, the more people their are, the more cream you have to skim off the top.

Azari's view of the world is very much the corporate view - but he only believes it for anglo countries, all the other countries should be "blood and soil, natives for natives"

globalism is dead, just some folks are out of touch and cant see it yet, or they are just anti west.

In final analysis, a nation, a country, a company must produce products at prices that the world wants to buy at that price.

Looking at countries producing and exporting natural resources goods, Oil, gas, Iron ore, copper, agri products etc, one can see very clearly that all those "natural resource goods" and Agri, have set world market price.

Same concept, thinking, applies to industrial products, EV, TV, etc etc .

Sayin corporation want this, government wanting that, labour wanting whatever is meaningless.


Sayin globalism is dead means German consumer should not be able to buy a Chinese EV that is half price and superior to an Audi EV

Nations should concentrate on sector where they are among top 3 best in the world. , otherwise don't bother

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[noddy]

globalism is an absurdity.

multi polar world full of countries with mutal interests is all we can have now.

open immigration, world market .. gone.

cooperation between countries that trust eachother and are culturally compatible is what comes next.

Russia and China have both proven a western country that relies on them for any product, is an durian

[Heracleum Persicum]

globalism is an absurdity.

multi polar world full of countries with mutal interests is all we can have now.

open immigration, world market .. gone.

cooperation between countries that trust eachother and are culturally compatible is what comes next.

Russia and China have both proven a western country that relies on them for any product, is an durian

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High Living Standard, prosperity, must be earned NOW

There no free lunch anymore

Non Western world was "paying for", subsidizing, high Western living standard. This now is being eroded, Global south refusing to sign anymore on the dotted line.

West "walling off" will lead to dramatic fall of western living standard.

Western nations, even to keep things as is, need 10s of millions immigrant every year .. and .. would be fortunate if still would get "white" immigrants .. there not many white willing immigrants left .. Chinese, Indian, African are the only choice.

Corporation will not suffer as they move to where profits are .. Corporation means entrepreneurs and they move to where business is .. labour will suffer as consume and wages would fall.


Bloomberg
Mar 26, 2024
China’s Xi Jinping Meets With US Business Leaders in Beijing


Business is now borderless, International, moves where profits are, where consumption is.


Dutch Invest €2.5 Billion in Eindhoven to Keep ASML at Home
Government looks for ways to keep ASML’s expansion at home

Dutch far-right leader Geert Wilders said on Wednesday, March 13, that he would not be prime minister despite his stunning election win in November, due to a lack of support across the political spectrum. "I can only become Prime Minister if ALL parties in the coalition support it."

Labour has lost it's power, Joe has lost power

Where does the money come from for social services ? from Companies who must make profit and pay wages .. Notion taxes come from wages ignoring where wages come from.

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[noddy]

you have no idea what you are talking about it yet you insist on saying it over and over and over.

western joe has already lost the race to the bottom, we have 2 generations now cant afford a house in their own countries.

western joe cant get health care anymore, those social services you babble on about have all gone.

this isnt the future, it was 10 years ago.

best bet now for western joe is to let it collapse, make it collapse, so it can be cheap like south east asia and then ban immigrants to keep it cheap.

access to food and housing is everything, nobody gives a lavender who is making the airplanes.

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the bit you dont understand is that the western guy who used to make 100k against the indian guy who made 30k - they just import the 30k indian guy into the west

western joe , he lost his job and his house anyway.

its better for western joe to have a house and food - he has no chance of getting a good job in the global market.

we are all africans now - only the places with good food and houses will live well , everyone else gets the getto.

[noddy]

Western nations, even to keep things as is, need 10s of millions immigrant every year .. and .. would be fortunate if still would get "white" immigrants .. there not many white willing immigrants left .. Chinese, Indian, African are the only choice.

thats more true for Iran, Russia, China than it is for the west.

and you never say that.

so I can tell you dont believe it.

[Heracleum Persicum]

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Western nations, even to keep things as is, need 10s of millions immigrant every year .. and .. would be fortunate if still would get "white" immigrants .. there not many white willing immigrants left .. Chinese, Indian, African are the only choice.

thats more true for Iran, Russia, China than it is for the west.

and you never say that.

so I can tell you dont believe it.

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Iran does not have any immigration law, there no such law, never been .. nobody can become Iranian .. by birth, either you by law Iranian or not ..

Only way one is Iranian is either "Father is Iranian", or born in Iran, or married to an Iranian man .. if mother is Iranian and husband not, the child is not Iranian if not born in Iran (they apparently changing this) .. Iranian man married to non Iranian women, she on the spot automatically becomes Iranian. Not so the foreign husband of Iranian women.

Iran is "Overpopulated" .. when Shah left Iran had less that 30 m population .. now 100 m

AFAIK neither China has any immigration policy, nobody can become Chinese

Russia different .. they love white people coming and staying in Russia .. for some reason neither Indian nor Africa like moving to Russia (thanks God )
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[Heracleum Persicum]

you have no idea what you are talking about it yet you insist on saying it over and over and over.

western joe has already lost the race to the bottom, we have 2 generations now cant afford a house in their own countries.

western joe cant get health care anymore, those social services you babble on about have all gone.

this isnt the future, it was 10 years ago.

best bet now for western joe is to let it collapse, make it collapse, so it can be cheap like south east asia and then ban immigrants to keep it cheap.

access to food and housing is everything, nobody gives a lavender who is making the airplanes.


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the bit you dont understand is that the western guy who used to make 100k against the indian guy who made 30k - they just import the 30k indian guy into the west

western joe , he lost his job and his house anyway.

its better for western joe to have a house and food - he has no chance of getting a good job in the global market.

we are all africans now - only the places with good food and houses will live well , everyone else gets the getto.

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noddy, all you saying above is true .. the facts are clear and can no be denied

The only question I disagree is " Why things ended up here ? " .. why white man has lost his job and must work now for half what he was making before ? .. why white man working can not buy a house etc etc


IMVHO, this is the fault of the each country "ruling elite"

- In Switzerland since 200 yrs, non Swiss citizen can not buy any property .. Real estate is only for Swiss citizens

- German laws dictate that workers at large companies elect up to half the members of supervisory boards .. labour represents 50% of company board and decides on business, for mutual benefit of Workers and company

That is why there "shortage" of labour in Germany and wages are high

Also Germans industry reinvents and reinvents .. and .. trains their workers.


Truth is this :

English world , UK, America , Australia .. the labour and capital are no friends but adversary .. Capital does not care about welfare of Labour, and other-way too

Not so in Japan, Germany, they in the same boat

1980's RR times, when for the first time VW wanted to start building VW outside Germany (in Mexico), German VW labour union studied the project and overwhelmingly "approved" it.

The "Anglo elite" failed their workers .. sill same mindset

Blame your own elite and not "globalization" and "immigration" etc etc
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[noddy]

Semantics

The opposite of globalism is nationalism/protectionism ... Like your examples.

Immigration is bad when its run by globalists.

Lower immigration that doesnt disrupt the local economy badly is a good thing.

The elites only get away with it because 50% of the population benefits from ever increasing house prices and cheaper , more desperate workers.

[Heracleum Persicum]

Semantics

The opposite of globalism is nationalism/protectionism ... Like your examples.

Immigration is bad when its run by globalists.

Lower immigration that doesnt disrupt the local economy badly is a good thing.

The elites only get away with it because 50% of the population benefits from ever increasing house prices and cheaper , more desperate workers.

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What Western Joe calls "immigration", they ain't immigration. They all "refugees"

Easy to check

- How many Syrian immigrants came to any Western countries, before Wester "Freedom fighters" started beheading .. NOT any

- How many Iranians came to Australia, Canada, Europe and US before West sanctioned Iran 1979 ? ? .. NOT any

- How many Iraqi came to Australia, Canada, Europe and US before Western "Abu Ghraib torture ?" .. NOT any

- How many Libyan swam to Italy (and drowned) during "Libyan Golden period" of Qaddafi, B4 West destroyed it ? .. Not any



Said many times, nobody likes to leave home and move to foreign places and not be welcome

The Best proof for this case are "Ukrainian refugee" .. more than six million refugees have found shelter abroad .. these NO "immigrants", they refugee .. much worst with Syrians, Afghan, Iraqi and Palestinians

Middle Eastern do not like to immigrate as life in Middle East is a warm "extended family & friends" community culture, unlike in the West where individualism rules.


Read an article about an Ukrainian lady who was a teacher in Ukraine village, in Germany she had to wash dishes as she did not speak German and she decided to go back to Ukraine to her teaching job accepting bombs raining on her .. you see how "immigrants" feel.

Said many many times, West, you guys, must be very happy that all these refugee coming otherwise Western population would experience what Japan now experiencing, empty villages and population collapse.

US has opened the southern borders for "free entry" of Latinos to US, millions come in every months .. Biden looking the other way

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[Parodite]

Most Muslims die because of inter-Muslim "civil war" and this civil war will continue for next centuries. To claim that all refugees exist only because of Western agression is childlike nonsense. Putin invaded Ukraine, he had no reasons only excuses. West certainly reason of many refugees as in Iraq war and Lybia. But both Iraq and Lybia were not "paradise"; dictatorships are brutal in and of themselves. Saddam typical muderous gangster who deserved to be whacked, however not by all out war: way too many innocent civilian victims. I agree with HP. Gaddafi less brutal, but still dictator-clown and certainly biggest Obama mistake to go to war there.

But these Western crimes don't white wash the crimes of Putin in Ukraine of course. HP seems to have a fetish with this sort of white washing activities and inventing all sorts of twisted excuses. Blame the West for everything and have your mad mullahs laugh when Iranian drones kill civilians in Ukraine. Perverse.

As for the UK, it is downhill from here. People are less and less free to speak their minds in public, with a woke police ready to put you in handcuffs for making a bad joke on twitter. Rabid Islamists are protected instead of exposed and thrown out of the country, their toxic Islamic clubhouses dismantled. This contrast and moral inconsistency will wreck the UK the coming decades.

[Parodite]

The Left’s Hypocritical Love Affair With ISLAMISM - Nuriyah Khan (4k) | heretics. 41

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Hate crime epidemic in Scotland. I wonder what the state Dept travel warning will look like.

https://modernity.news/2024/04/09/hate- ... -combined/

Hate Crime Reports in Scotland Set to Outnumber All Other Crimes Combined
Paul Joseph Watson
9th April 2024
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“People are genuinely embarrassed.”
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Hate crime reports in Scotland are on course to outnumber the total of all other offences combined as a result of the disastrous new law that has been weaponized by political activists.

Under the new legislation, anyone deemed to have been verbally ‘abusive’, in person or online, to a transgender person, including “insulting” them could be hit with a prison sentence of up to seven years.

After conservatives made a mockery of the legislation and deranged left-wing activists exploited it to target their political adversaries, officers have been deluged with vexatious reports, with one top official complaining “we cannot cope.”

The sheer number of bad faith complaints coming in is ludicrous.

“Around 8,000 hate crime reports have been made in the first week of the new Scottish legislation coming into force, which, if replicated through the year, would surpass the entire annual total of 416,000 crimes reported to police, according to an analysis of official data by The Telegraph.”

“This would mean that hate crime reports would overtake overall crime within 36 weeks, or at least by the autumn, and dwarf the annual 58,000 reported assaults, the most common offence in Scotland, by a factor of 10.”


David Threadgold, chairman of the Scottish Police Federation, said the numbers were proof the new law had been “weaponized” to pursue personal and political vendettas, a throwback to the Communist and Nazi era, when informants filed false reports on neighbors they didn’t like.

Police Scotland is already struggling to respond to actual crimes such as sexual assaults and car thefts, and the drain on resources caused by the hate crime law will only exacerbate that issue.

As we previously highlighted, Police Scotland admitted that the new law could create “additional demand” and worsen a “resource implication” for police.

This followed a trial of a separate program set to be implemented across the country to stop investigating crimes like theft and criminal damage, which authorities acknowledge will help criminals.

Calum Steele, the former general secretary of the Scottish Police Federation, told the Telegraph that his phone has “barely stopped buzzing” from colleagues contacting him after the passage of the law.

Describing the reaction as a “metaphorical holding of heads,” Steele says there’s a feeling that policing “seems to have lost its compass.”

“People are genuinely embarrassed. They feel that the service and by extension [they] as individual police officers will catch some of the public brunt,” he said.

If only they’d listened to literally almost everybody who predicted this would happen before the law was passed.

[Typhoon]

One supposes that it's only a matter of time before Scotland has its own heroic Pavlik_Morozov legend.

Patsy Morrison, who reported his parents to the authorities with their subsequent trial and harsh punishment,
for their disapproval of him prancing about in his sister's knickers.

[Typhoon]

Most Muslims die because of inter-Muslim "civil war" and this civil war will continue for next centuries. To claim that all refugees exist only because of Western agression is childlike nonsense. Putin invaded Ukraine, he had no reasons only excuses. West certainly reason of many refugees as in Iraq war and Lybia. But both Iraq and Lybia were not "paradise"; dictatorships are brutal in and of themselves. Saddam typical muderous gangster who deserved to be whacked, however not by all out war: way too many innocent civilian victims. I agree with HP. Gaddafi less brutal, but still dictator-clown and certainly biggest Obama mistake to go to war there.

But these Western crimes don't white wash the crimes of Putin in Ukraine of course. HP seems to have a fetish with this sort of white washing activities and inventing all sorts of twisted excuses. Blame the West for everything and have your mad mad Mad mad mad mad mad mullahs laugh when Iranian drones kill civilians in Ukraine. Perverse.

As for the UK, it is downhill from here. People are less and less free to speak their minds in public, with a woke police ready to put you in handcuffs for making a bad joke on twitter. Rabid Islamists are protected instead of exposed and thrown out of the country, their toxic Islamic clubhouses dismantled. This contrast and moral inconsistency will wreck the UK the coming decades.

Quite.

[Heracleum Persicum]

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Not going to compare aDolf and cHurtChills who was worst evil badass.

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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Vdj7oI8dkmk

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[Parodite]

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Not going to compare aDolf and cHurtChills who was worst evil badass.

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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Vdj7oI8dkmk

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Churchill and the genocide myth
Zareer Masani says the wartime prime minister has been unfairly vilified over the 1943 Indian famine

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The famine raged for about six months, from the summer of 1943 until the end of that year, and estimates of its victims range from half a million upwards, depending on whether one includes its indirect and long-term effects. Most famine experts agree that famines can be caused by both nature and human agency, but never by any single individual. So how has a 67-year-old British prime minister in poor health, 5,000 miles away, fighting near-annihilation in a world war, come to be charged with causing such a cataclysmic disaster?

The attempt to lay this at Churchill’s door stems from a sensationalist book by a Bengali-American journalist called Madhusree Mukerjee. As its title, Churchill’s Secret War, indicates, it was a largely conspiracist attempt to pin responsibility on distant Churchill for undoubted mistakes on the ground in Bengal.

Whatever the case may be, it looks like the quality of the coke you keep sniffing from that hooker's ass is detoriating by the day. Don't OD on it yet.
The good news is, both aDolf and wInston died long ago, so there's nothing left to worry about.

These controversies are a gold mine for writers who need revisionist history to make a living, get the attention they crave for. I'm not against writers making claims about events in the past. Write whatever you want about your dead grandmother; truths, half truths, lies: none of it will bring her back to life.

The past is a dead corpse. It can teach you a few things, if treated with caution and respect, but never give you a complete story. It is however very good at producing the stench of decomposing bodies.

The future is more appealing to me; divine invitations. Something is knocking at our doors. One thing I'm sure: it is not your grandmother.

[Heracleum Persicum]

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Not going to compare aDolf and cHurtChills who was worst evil badass.

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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Vdj7oI8dkmk

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Churchill and the genocide myth
Zareer Masani says the wartime prime minister has been unfairly vilified over the 1943 Indian famine

[...]

The famine raged for about six months, from the summer of 1943 until the end of that year, and estimates of its victims range from half a million upwards, depending on whether one includes its indirect and long-term effects. Most famine experts agree that famines can be caused by both nature and human agency, but never by any single individual. So how has a 67-year-old British prime minister in poor health, 5,000 miles away, fighting near-annihilation in a world war, come to be charged with causing such a cataclysmic disaster?

The attempt to lay this at Churchill’s door stems from a sensationalist book by a Bengali-American journalist called Madhusree Mukerjee. As its title, Churchill’s Secret War, indicates, it was a largely conspiracist attempt to pin responsibility on distant Churchill for undoubted mistakes on the ground in Bengal.

Whatever the case may be, it looks like the quality of the coke you keep sniffing from that hooker's ass is detoriating by the day. Don't OD on it yet.
The good news is, both aDolf and wInston died long ago, so there's nothing left to worry about.

These controversies are a gold mine for writers who need revisionist history to make a living, get the attention they crave for. I'm not against writers making claims about events in the past. Write whatever you want about your dead grandmother; truths, half truths, lies: none of it will bring her back to life.

The past is a dead corpse. It can teach you a few things, if treated with caution and respect, but never give you a complete story. It is however very good at producing the stench of decomposing bodies.

The future is more appealing to me; divine invitations. Something is knocking at our doors. One thing I'm sure: it is not your grandmother.

Parodite, the Indian famine, the 2 Persian famine (WW1 & WW@) leading to millions Iranian death, are historic facts, in WiKi and in highly reputable Western media, how it happened and why it happened and who was the culprit well documented.

Googling and posting rubbish 2-bit articles denying facts not what we need here .. there 1000s of such rubbish "expert opinion" saying Hitler did not kill any jews and other sort of BS.

facts are clear :


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... mine-study

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/4/1 ... mine-study

The Churchill's Bengal famine was negligent compared to famine he pushed on Iran killing HALF of Iranian population, US wanted to ship grain to Iran, British did not let.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_f ... %80%931919

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_f ... %80%931943

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[Parodite]

I'm sure you made up your mind. All I'm saying is, even if Brits were true and sole culprits with no other contingent causes, knowingly starving to death 2M people, that crime happened long ago with the responsible perpetrators dead and most likely in an extreme state of bodily decomposition.

Also take caution, that to unearth all evidence, put a reliable puzzle together, have it presented in a court with two sides battling things out with professional laywers, a jury and a judge with an impartial mind trained to weigh all empirical evidence into a sentence of the persons involved who were responsible knowingly, half knowingly or unknowingly of the consequences of their actions, takes months if not years before a beyond reasonable doubt verdict can be reached.

There is a word called justice, that once still meant something.

You however, are quick to come to premature conclusions and as far as I'm concerned are the least reliable and impartial source on the block here.

Evidence that you are completely unfit even as a member of any jury, is that you keep committing the same sin over and over by lumping together people in a box, calling them "the West", "the Brits" etc. This is not how courts of law operate here. Only individuals are judged.

When Jack the Ripper raped 28 women, it was not "white people raped 28 women". Even if statistically a particular identifiable group on average commits more rapes, only a moron would allow that to play a role in court; it is always and only individuals who are on trial.

We all know the dangers of putting people into boxes, of what stereotyping can cause down the road. Somehow you seem to have missed that boat.

That somebody is British, Israeli, Palestinian, Iranian, American, Dutch is nice information but of very low value in a court of law, other than providing some context to events that happened.

Sometimes context influences a sentencing, like a woman who shot her husband in the face after years of physical and emotional abuse.

Have fun with all the guilty groups you identified, and the holier than thou entities you love, that sparkle like innocent diamonds in the sky for everybody to see and admire, invoking an irresistable desire to be emulated as the heros that they are: "Iran", "Russia", "China". Vanderfool.

Cyrus wheeps

[Heracleum Persicum]

I'm sure you made up your mind. All I'm saying is, even if Brits were true and sole culprits with no other contingent causes, knowingly starving to death 2M people, that crime happened long ago with the responsible perpetrators dead and most likely in an extreme state of bodily decomposition.

Also take caution, that to unearth all evidence, put a reliable puzzle together, have it presented in a court with two sides battling things out with professional laywers, a jury and a judge with an impartial mind trained to weigh all empirical evidence into a sentence of the persons involved who were responsible knowingly, half knowingly or unknowingly of the consequences of their actions, takes months if not years before a beyond reasonable doubt verdict can be reached.

There is a word called justice, that once still meant something.

You however, are quick to come to premature conclusions and as far as I'm concerned are the least reliable and impartial source on the block here.

Evidence that you are completely unfit even as a member of any jury, is that you keep committing the same sin over and over by lumping together people in a box, calling them "the West", "the Brits" etc. This is not how courts of law operate here. Only individuals are judged.

When Jack the Ripper raped 28 women, it was not "white people raped 28 women". Even if statistically a particular identifiable group on average commits more rapes, only a moron would allow that to play a role in court; it is always and only individuals who are on trial.

We all know the dangers of putting people into boxes, of what stereotyping can cause down the road. Somehow you seem to have missed that boat.

That somebody is British, Israeli, Palestinian, Iranian, American, Dutch is nice information but of very low value in a court of law, other than providing some context to events that happened.

Sometimes context influences a sentencing, like a woman who shot her husband in the face after years of physical and emotional abuse.

Have fun with all the guilty groups you identified, and the holier than thou entities you love, that sparkle like innocent diamonds in the sky for everybody to see and admire, invoking an irresistable desire to be emulated as the heros that they are: "Iran", "Russia", "China". Vanderfool.

Cyrus wheeps

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Not being responsible for the sins of the past is "subject to" :

- Are the effects of those "sins" still "unfolding" , effecting today's life of millions ?

- Did the perpetuator "made good" the past Sins, repented, or still same mindset and doing same, or even "doubling down" ?


Brits still same Brits who were forcing Opium on China for Gold, arguing Iranian Oil belongs to British etc

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[Parodite]

Not being responsible for the sins of the past is "subject to" :

- Are the effects of those "sins" still "unfolding" , effecting today's life of millions ?
- Did the perpetuator "made good" the past Sins, repented, or still same mindset and doing same, or even "doubling down" ?

Brits still same Brits who were forcing Opium on China for Gold, arguing Iranian Oil belongs to British etc.

The effects of crimes on people and society ar large tend to outlive the criminals. A sad reality. With the actual perpetrators long dead, the consequences can reverberate generations. With history now on record, they become memories that live on way beyond the lives of people directly involved, with new generations reading the stories and seeing pictures, watching the documentaries, various propaganda included, preserved in full HD as if it happened yesterday when watched 800 years later. That memories are not allowed to die creates a new problem too. Would you like to reincarnate with all memories of past lives back on your plate first morning breakfast? The bliss of oblivion is sacred.

Obviously, it is absurd to go to the grand children of a thief and reclaim that 58K he stole from my grandmother; they probably get angry and tell me to f*ck off, because it wasn’t them who stole it. If I would then say “but you are all British, so I will file a lawsuit where the British government has to collect taxpayer money and give it back to me anyways!!” they will say: “So you want people who had even less to do with this crime than we did we pay for it?? You are completely out of your mind…” And they are right, it is crazy in every way, and as morally wrong as it is crazy.

You can substutite that thief with any criminal and crime comitted. Outcome is the same. To seek justice and retribution in the wrong places will only lead to more conflict, violence, injustices inevitably occuring that in turn become breeding grounds for people who also will look for justice and retribution where it can’t be found. This means endless feuds, cycles of violence, revenge on revenge killings that need to be revenged.

Which leaves bringing to justice people who comitted crimes if and where possible, where all accused are still innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt, while having the right to due process. This is already a formidable task in a highly developed society and culture. When it comes to massive atrocities between societies during wars, there is simply not enough legal manpower to do the job properly. To chase that ghost is silly.

The only hope after wars and its horrors, is that new generations understand what happened in the past and use that knowlegde to prevent new wars to erupt. Feeding on the past and all its various injustices that happened to millions of people is only adding new fuel for the next round of horrors.

This doesn’t mean that we ought to forgive the unforgivable, nor try to forget the unforgetable. I believe in only one reality: look and learn. It is impossible to look and not learn. Somebody who keeps repeating the same behavior and expecting a different outcome, is just not able learn because he is not able to see what is the causal relationship between the events of concern.

There can be different causes of blurred vision and blindness. But once a retina is torn off, blindness is permanent for that eye. Two blind eyes is a disaster. The blind leading the blind etc.

[Heracleum Persicum]

Not being responsible for the sins of the past is "subject to" :

- Are the effects of those "sins" still "unfolding" , effecting today's life of millions ?
- Did the perpetuator "made good" the past Sins, repented, or still same mindset and doing same, or even "doubling down" ?

Brits still same Brits who were forcing Opium on China for Gold, arguing Iranian Oil belongs to British etc.

The effects of crimes on people and society ar large tend to outlive the criminals. A sad reality. With the actual perpetrators long dead, the consequences can continue reverberating for generations. With history now on record, they become memories that can live on way beyond the lives of people directly involved, with new generations just reading the stories and seeing pictures, documentaries. Now preserved in full HD as if it happened yesterday when watched 800 years later. That memories are not allowed to die creates a new problem too.

Obviously, it is absurd to go to the grand children of a thief and reclaim that 58K he stole from my grandmother; they probably get angry and tell me to f*ck off, because it wasn’t them who stole it. If I would then say “but you are all British, so I will file a lawsuit where the British government has to collect taxpayer money and give it back to me anyways!!” they will say: “So you want people who had even less to do with this crime than we did we pay for it?? You are completely out of your mind…” And they are right, it is crazy in every way, and as morally wrong as it crazy.

You can substutite that thief with any criminal and crime comitted. Outcome is the same. To seek justice and retribution in the wrong places will only lead to more conflict, violence, injustices inevitably occuring that in turn become breeding grounds for people who also will look for justice and retribution where it can’t be found. This means endless feuds, cycles of violence, revenge on revenge killings that need to be revenged.

Which leaves bringing to justice people who comitted crimes if and where possible, where all accused are still innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt, while having the right to due process. This is already a formidable task in a highly developed society and culture. When it comes to massive atrocities between societies during wars, there is simply not enough legal manpower to do the job properly. To chase that ghost is silly.

The only hope after wars and its horrors, is that new generations understand what happened in the past and use that knowlegde to prevent new wars to erupt. Feeding on the past and all its various injustices that happened to millions of people is only adding new fuel for the next round of horrors.

This doesn’t mean that we ought to forgive the unforgivable, nor try to forget the unforgetable. I believe in only one reality: look and learn. It is impossible to look and not learn. Somebody who keeps repeating the same behavior and expecting a different outcome, is just not able learn because he is not able to see what is the causal relationship between the events of concern.

There can be different causes of blurred vision and blindness. But once a retina is torn off, blindness is permanent for that eye. Two blind eyes is a disaster. The blind leading the blind etc.

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The real question is, who is the real guilty, the culprit, of those Sins ?

Were "aDolf and a few SS officers" the guilty doing all those bad things to our beloved Ashekenazim ? Where the German people too guilty of that ?

Was the "ZeitGeist" and Culture of Western civilization (since post European Dark Ages) guilty of what followed King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella issuing the Alhambra Decree etc etc

Who is and are to blame ?

Who was and were the guilty Brits infesting Persia with Afghanistan opium to subrogate Pomegranates and later forcing Opium on China for Gold ? Was British Lords and Imperials the guilty ? was Colonial ZeitGeist of that period which wiped out all the original inhabitants of Southern America and Africa the culprit ?

Answering the above questions, Parodite, key for answering all yours above argumentation.

Was what aDolf did action of a few bad humans, or German Public guilty too, or ZeitGeist main perpetuator

HP point is, aDolf (and Churchill), even German Public or even Culture, were "tools", instruments and not the real story

HP says prevailing Zeitgaist is the main perpetuator .. and .. unfortunately we still in post European Dark Ages Zeitgeist .. colonialism, Slavery, Plundering and all stuff of that sort still rule, only "re-defined".

You would be right if individuals or even groups were the bad guys doing all those SINS last few 100 yrs

But, if the "Prevailing ZeitGeist" was the culprit , if so, we must ask ourselves whether that "Post European Dark Ages" ZeitGeist not anymore and we in New ZeitGeist.

That is the message that Pers*ns and Chinese now "pressing on, New World Order

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One argument HP makes is that Europe coming out of Dark Ages was not accompanied with "moral maturity" too, rather it was only based on "logic and reason, science) .. meaning "Europe of Post Dark Ages" was same as before in "good and bad", morality .. aDolf and Brits and French and Spaniards and Belgians, were still operating on "Pre Dark Ages" mindset and understanding, Catholic Church heart of the matter.

West, White man, still operating on "Pre European Dark Ages" mindset .. Pali are mosquitos on the wall

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Can agree with "Zeitgeist" idea. But my question still is: who are you now charging with what crimes now that something general and vague like " Zeitgeist" is the real culprit?

Aside the small complication that your Zeitgeist is different from my Zeitgeist. You see Zeitgeist problem as Western problem, which I see as a very childish ignoramus way of looking at the world. And very selfserving, wonderful excuse to send Iranian drones to Ukrainian grandmothers.

I haven't heard you ONCE condamn these actions. Why would that be? Let me guess...because the West has treated Russia and Iran so badly, that these Russian and Iranian crimes are only understandable and therefor forgivable? Just like what Hamas did 7-10?

Will tell you what that subtle post-colonial arrorgance of the West did: you have internalised the inferiority that these colonisers and abusers forced upon you and can't help but now believing them: you can't see yourself as fully worthy, having adult agency, accepting normal responsability. Which explains why you can't accept Israeli atrocities but are fine with Arab slaughter house brutalities. Different standards for different people. Abused child now wants revenge but has trouble finding the actual rapist and becomes erratic rapist himself, chanting Death to America and Israel all day long, even on holidays.

My Zeitgeist is more like people not able to admit all behavior is 98% monkeytown controlled. West often arrogant believing they are way above Chimps with "high culture" which is false. Biggest atrocities by people who believe they are high cilture. Arab world a fair reminder we are all still monkies.

Worst mistake of Muslim world would be to feel inferior to dominant West and put lower expectations on themselves.

Proud Muslim not do massacre like West or Izraeli. No!

Proud Muslim is adult in the room, help West and Israel relax and not behave like paranoid clowns.

Proud Muslim understands West and Jews own suffering is caused by primitive arrogance and narcissism, empty materialistic hedonism, confusions about what is male female.

Proud Muslim will not allow prejudices in West about primitive inferior Muslims to be reinforced by confused Muslims who have internalised Western arrogance, now inferiority complex also because Jews, of all people, won all wars from Arabs, believing Muslim honor can only be restored by committing same crimes as Zionists and West!

This cannot be...and only feeds West arrogance, thinking of you as small children, not able to take responsability, only left with one sad card to play: the victim card. Sign of irriversible degradation.

Proud Muslim knows: continue behaving like the ones who humiliated you will prevent you becoming proud Muslim. You will do what you hate. Doing what you hate means you hate life and choose death as the better solution. Making it look heroic as a marter won't change what drove you: suicide.

Proud Muslim also knows nothing happens without Allah willing it. Doing what you hate and losing from your enemies is a conundrum. Maybe Allah saying: you will lose for as long as you keep hating. Just a thought.

[Heracleum Persicum]

Can agree with "Zeitgeist" idea. But my question still is: who are you now charging with what crimes now that something general and vague like " Zeitgeist" is the real culprit ?

If one accepts that those SINS were Sins of "prevailing" Culture, civilization, mindset, ZeitGeist of "European Dark Ages", next question is, whether those "prevailing" Culture, civilization, mindset, ZeitGeist of "European Dark Ages" ended and our present "modern age" has a NEW "prevailing" Culture, civilization, mindset, ZeitGeist of "European Dark Ages".

If that is the case, than past is past, is now part of history, and lesson learned not to repeat again.

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if we still @ "prevailing" Culture, civilization, mindset, ZeitGeist of "European Dark Ages", if so, meaning things still an open book and last chapter not written yet.

Aside the small complication that your Zeitgeist is different from my Zeitgeist. You see Zeitgeist problem as Western problem, which I see as a very childish ignoramus way of looking at the world. And very selfserving, wonderful excuse to send Iranian drones to Ukrainian grandmothers.

Cyrus says "certain things" are UNIVERSAL .. "Universal human Rights" .. "right or wrong" for you and HP same .. mortality, Good And Bad, is UNIVERSAL .. Bad for you can not be Good for me, that is essence of "Humanität" .. All Persi*n giants of literature central subject is "morality" .. “good thoughts, good words and good deeds.”


Saadi Shirazi

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Humans are members of a whole,
In creation they are of one essence.
When one member is afflicted by pain,
The other members cannot remain at rest.
If you have no sympathy for the troubles of others,
You do not deserve to be called human.


The poem is a famous work by the Persian poet Saadi Shirazi, known as the "Bani Adam" or "Children of Adam" poem.

The poem emphasizes the interconnectedness of humanity and the importance of compassion and empathy towards others.

I haven't heard you ONCE condamn these actions. Why would that be? Let me guess...because the West has treated Russia and Iran so badly, that these Russian and Iranian crimes are only understandable and therefor forgivable? Just like what Hamas did 7-10?

Will tell you what that subtle post-colonial arrorgance of the West did: you have internalised the inferiority that these colonisers and abusers forced upon you and can't help but now believing them: you can't see yourself as fully worthy, having adult agency, accepting normal responsability. Which explains why you can't accept Israeli atrocities but are fine with Arab slaughter house brutalities. Different standards for different people. Abused child now wants revenge but has trouble finding the actual rapist and becomes erratic rapist himself, chanting Death to America and Israel all day long, even on holidays.

My Zeitgeist is more like people not able to admit all behavior is 98% monkeytown controlled. West often arrogant believing they are way above Chimps with "high culture" which is false. Biggest atrocities by people who believe they are high cilture. Arab world a fair reminder we are all still monkies.

Worst mistake of Muslim world would be to feel inferior to dominant West and put lower expectations on themselves.

Proud Muslim not do massacre like West or Izraeli. No!

Proud Muslim is adult in the room, help West and Israel relax and not behave like paranoid clowns.

Proud Muslim understands West and Jews own suffering is caused by primitive arrogance and narcissism, empty materialistic hedonism, confusions about what is male female.

Proud Muslim will not allow prejudices in West about primitive inferior Muslims to be reinforced by confused Muslims who have internalised Western arrogance, now inferiority complex also because Jews, of all people, won all wars from Arabs, believing Muslim honor can only be restored by committing same crimes as Zionists and West!

This cannot be...and only feeds West arrogance, thinking of you as small children, not able to take responsability, only left with one sad card to play: the victim card. Sign of irriversible degradation.

Proud Muslim knows: continue behaving like the ones who humiliated you will prevent you becoming proud Muslim. You will do what you hate. Doing what you hate means you hate life and choose death as the better solution. Making it look heroic as a marter won't change what drove you: suicide.

Proud Muslim also knows nothing happens without Allah willing it. Doing what you hate and losing from your enemies is a conundrum. Maybe Allah saying: you will lose for as long as you keep hating. Just a thought.

Typical blaming the victim


All Mull*hs saying to West is "please leave Western Asia", Pleeeease .. they not asking revenge

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Pls drop this Muslim rubbish .. Iranian are not Muslims as you envision Islam .. Iranians are "Shahnameh Paganist", that what HP is ..

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