Doc wrote:Heracleum Persicum wrote:.
Please post a "genocide", a war crime, a crime against humanity" in 10,000 yrs of Chinese history
Does not exist
Yeah sure I suppose the cultural revolution never happened.
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Alexis wrote:noddy wrote:mao caused mass death and migration like few others in the last century but thats fine by your rules, its all chinese killing chinese.
Also, Germans killing Jews was only a quibble between white guys, therefore it shouldn't count.
whatever.
Seconded...
I usually value HP's contributions to the forum, most often interesting even / especially when I (occasionnaly strongly) disagree... but neglecting slaughters on the pretext that ethnicity or color is not a factor :
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There are profound distinctions between
- Crime against humanity
- War crime
- Genocide
- Barbarism, vicious brutality, political murder .. etc
I'm no lawyer to legally define them, also WiKi definition is "politically colored" (as many actions of Jews in Israel would fall into genocide, war crime, crime against humanity - same with many American military action last 70 yrs - Wiki must walk a fine line in this regard)
but
common sense, for a human being, things might be clear
- Is spraying agent orange on Vietnam a "war crime" ? yes it is .. but it's no genocide
- Is Japanese actions in WWII in China, Philippine, Malaysia, Singapore and and "war crime" ? yes it is .. but it's no genocide
- Is Israeli action in Palestine "War crime" ? yes it is .. is it Genocide, probably it is
- Is millions dying in "Long March" in MAO-China any crime of any sort ? ? can not think of any .. no, it's not
- Is millions dying or prosecuted in "cultural revolution" a crime against humanity ? ? depending whether does means justify the result ? .. Cultural revolution saved China by making China
"start with a clean sheet of Paper", China now no "western imitation" but real China, home made "Made in China" .. all nations which did not go back their own cultural roots and uprooted western poisonous culture (for their culture) are now destroyed .. Japan only in surface western, but deep down 200% japan culture .. China needed that Cultural revolution, painful as it was ..
Same road is now Iran on, as said many time, Iranian revolution is a "cultural revolution" and not a religious one (Islam being part of that culture)
- was Hitler Jewish episode a Genocide ? yes it was .. killing civilians based on anything is genocide
- Was Stalin repatriation of Volga Cossack, Chechen, Tatars and and, millions dead, genocide or war crime .. NO
- Was French killing nearly 1/5 of Algerian population for Algerian oil a war crime/genocide ? ? NO
- Was colonialism Genocide .. probably yes
- Was British Slave trade a genocide AND crime against humanity .. definitely YES on both counts
- Was Dutch action in Indonesia genocide AND crime against humanity .. definitely YES on both counts
- Was Belgian action in Africa, Angola, Congo, genocide AND crime against humanity .. definitely YES on both counts
- was Armenian episode in Turkey Genocide ? ? not clear cut
- was America skinning red Indians genocide .. mother of all genocides
- was Arab-Islam over-run of Persia a genocide .. Yes, it was, and more