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Still waiting for it to work out.

Meanwhile . . .

NPR | Venezuela Enters 3rd Month Of Protests

Venezuelan has universal healthcare --- MaduroCare:

A non-causal association that is too dumb for words.

Japan, Canada, and Denmark, to name a few, also have universal health care.

NPR | Venezuela Agents Arrest Opposition Leaders In Midnight Raids

Venezuelan security agents arrested two key opposition leaders in a midnight raid on their homes, making good on President Nicolas Maduro's promise to crack down on dissent following a vote that gave him broad authoritarian powers.

Freedom House | As Its Own Citizens Suffer, Venezuela Exports Corruption

Investigative journalists have uncovered trafficking, bribery, and money-laundering networks that reach across the Americas.

While human rights and general economic conditions deteriorate daily, government officials and their allies embezzle oil money and collude with drug and weapons traffickers. Illicit financial dealings that could involve sums far exceeding the $3.3 billion implicated in Brazil’s Odebrecht scandal have bolstered continued abuses of power by the Maduro regime and aggravated the humanitarian crisis. According to Transparency International’s 2016 Corruption Perceptions Index, Venezuela ranks among the worst on the planet, coming in 166 out of 176 countries assessed.

Been spending most their lives
Livin' in a socialista's paradise.

Reuters |
Venezuela in 'selective' bond default

Venezuela’s cash-strapped government insisted it had successfully begun efforts to refinance some $60 billion in bonds, though creditors disagreed following fruitless talks and a ratings firm declared the nation in selective default.

Venezuelan bonds slid on Tuesday after S&P Global Ratings announced that Venezuela was in selective default for failing to make $200 million in overdue coupon payments on its 2019 and 2024 global issues within a 30-day grace period.

Nicolas Maduro assassination attempt: Venezu[e]la president says drone attack was 'far-right' plot to kill him

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 77976.html

http://abc7ny.com/politics/venezuelan-p ... t/3887287/

The reality of US involvement in Venezuela won't be known for at least a decade, but I see two things.

One is the passive-aggressive way Trump handles neo-con demands aeb the attacks on Syria, the Jerusalem embassy and the recent retraction of Trump's announced Syrian withdrawal. I suspect Trump has ulterior motives in Venezuela also.

I also see John Bolton being distracted from his handlers in the ME and given a task that he can't handle.

Whatever is going on, it is not just about the oil. VZ heavy is the kind of oil used for tar and asphalt, not the lighter fractions. It's more expensive to pump and worth less than light or intermediate grades. The picture of Trump giving Bolton a Venezuelan tar baby kind of fits.

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Nonc Hilaire wrote:The reality of US involvement in Venezuela won't be known for at least a decade, but I see two things.

One is the passive-aggressive way Trump handles neo-con demands aeb the attacks on Syria, the Jerusalem embassy and the recent retraction of Trump's announced Syrian withdrawal. I suspect Trump has ulterior motives in Venezuela also.

I also see John Bolton being distracted from his handlers in the ME and given a task that he can't handle.

Whatever is going on, it is not just about the oil. VZ heavy is the kind of oil used for tar and asphalt, not the lighter fractions. It's more expensive to pump and worth less than light or intermediate grades. The picture of Trump giving Bolton a Venezuelan tar baby kind of fits.

So far my Trump/Bolton observation fits as the absurd Bolton/Pompeo coup attempt has failed miserably. Trump should just quit toying with the belligerent bast@rd and shave his moustache. That will render Bolton totally powerless. There is a biblical precedent.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... se-cruise/

Venezuelan naval vessel goes down after confrontation with Portuguese cruise ship

.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlQ1bGFo3Uk


Iran Signs Major Petrochemical Deal With Venezuela, Raisi to eye Cuba next



Iranian president is in Venezuela

Next visiting Havana

Heracleum Persicum wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 9:18 am .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlQ1bGFo3Uk


Iran Signs Major Petrochemical Deal With Venezuela, Raisi to eye Cuba next



Iranian president is in Venezuela

Next visiting Havana

The ankle biters are stirring.

NATO's inability to bomb the Russian invading force on their border creates its first new casuality

https://www.9news.com.au/world/venezuel ... d0bb7fbe6e

Venezuelans voted by a wide margin on Sunday to approve the takeover of an oil-rich region in neighbouring Guyana – the latest escalation in a long-running territorial dispute between the two countries, fueled by the recent discovery of vast offshore energy resources.

The area in question, the densely forested Essequibo region, amounts to about two-thirds of Guyana's national territory and is roughly the size of Florida.
The largely symbolic referendum asked voters if they agreed with creating a Venezuelan state in the Essequibo region, providing its population with Venezuelan citizenship and "incorporating that state into the map of Venezuelan territory".

Id be expecting alot more of this now the cats out of the bag that NATO is too scared of escalation to do anything.

any vaguely western aligned country that the thug next door used to worry about retaliations

noddy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 10:38 am NATO's inability to bomb the Russian invading force on their border creates its first new casuality

https://www.9news.com.au/world/venezuel ... d0bb7fbe6e

Venezuelans voted by a wide margin on Sunday to approve the takeover of an oil-rich region in neighbouring Guyana – the latest escalation in a long-running territorial dispute between the two countries, fueled by the recent discovery of vast offshore energy resources.

The area in question, the densely forested Essequibo region, amounts to about two-thirds of Guyana's national territory and is roughly the size of Florida.
The largely symbolic referendum asked voters if they agreed with creating a Venezuelan state in the Essequibo region, providing its population with Venezuelan citizenship and "incorporating that state into the map of Venezuelan territory".

Id be expecting alot more of this now the cats out of the bag that NATO is too scared of escalation to do anything.

any vaguely western aligned country that the thug next door used to worry about retaliations

Looking to be the case.

Even if Brazil really wanted to stop them (and I don't think the current government does), the Brazilians don't have the strength to take on the Venezuelans.

NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:45 am

noddy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 10:38 am NATO's inability to bomb the Russian invading force on their border creates its first new casuality

https://www.9news.com.au/world/venezuel ... d0bb7fbe6e

Venezuelans voted by a wide margin on Sunday to approve the takeover of an oil-rich region in neighbouring Guyana – the latest escalation in a long-running territorial dispute between the two countries, fueled by the recent discovery of vast offshore energy resources.

The area in question, the densely forested Essequibo region, amounts to about two-thirds of Guyana's national territory and is roughly the size of Florida.
The largely symbolic referendum asked voters if they agreed with creating a Venezuelan state in the Essequibo region, providing its population with Venezuelan citizenship and "incorporating that state into the map of Venezuelan territory".

Id be expecting alot more of this now the cats out of the bag that NATO is too scared of escalation to do anything.

any vaguely western aligned country that the thug next door used to worry about retaliations

Looking to be the case.

Even if Brazil really wanted to stop them (and I don't think the current government does), the Brazilians don't have the strength to take on the Venezuelans.

Brasil's military outnumbers Venezuela 2 to 1 and is well armed.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0kdRtGuyS8[/youtube]

Venezuela Must Invade Brazil to Reach Guyana!

I expect if Venezuela trys to act on there "annexation" they will do it by guerilla warfare then a quick over throw of the current government of Guyana. A country with a regular army of 4,600 and a reserve of 3,000

speaking of ww3

noddy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 11:01 pm

speaking of ww3

Iran becoming big weapon exporter .. Drones, missiles (anti tank, anti ship, SAM, AA), Submarines (all sizes) , speedboats with all anti ship missiles.

https://iranfocus.com/terrorism/50235-i ... r-in-2022/
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Yes.

One lesson we can learn from america is their is ZERO moral hazard building up a military industrial complex and profiting off getting involved in mischief in far flung land.

All you need is righteous morality

noddy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 2:20 am Yes.

One lesson we can learn from america is their is ZERO moral hazard building up a military industrial complex and profiting off getting involved in mischief in far flung land.

All you need is righteous morality

Arms sells is not same same Arm sell

West, America, sells arms to cronies, to safeguard American ($$$) interest. To Arabs etc

US, West, French sold only those Arms to Lebanon, that the Lebanese Christians needed to keep the Lebanese Shia in check, and not any arms that Lebanon could defend itself against Israel .. Now Iran gave those arms Lebanon needs to defend Lebanon against Zionists.

Iran sells Arms to those who want to "escape the Western Shackles" .. Venezuela and others (classified )

So, why complain, noddy ?
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man without irony, slayer of strawmen.

venezula is 50%+ white, spanish colony.

guyana is 0.03% white - mostly indians, slaves and indigene, liberated from western rule mid last century.