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Maybe The Numbers Were Inflated from the Start....

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Zack Morris wrote:Those gay converters must be working!
Thank You Very Much for your post, Zack Morris....

Or that Maybe The Numbers Were Inflated from the Start, as Kinsey seems to have sometimes :twisted: practiced fraud with his data.....
Kinsey's research went beyond theory and interview to include observation of and participation in sexual activity, sometimes involving co-workers. Some of the data published in the two Kinsey Reports books is controversial in the scientific and psychiatric communities, due to the low amount of research that was done and Kinsey's decision to interview and sexually experiment with volunteers who may not have been representative of the general population.[19] Kinsey justified this sexual experimentation as being necessary to gain the confidence of his research subjects. He encouraged his staff to do likewise, and to engage in a wide range of sexual activity, to the extent that they felt comfortable; he argued that this would help his interviewers understand the participant's responses.[20][21] Kinsey filmed sexual acts which included co-workers in the attic of his home as part of his research;[22] Biographer Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy explains that this was done to ensure the films' secrecy, which would have caused a scandal had it become public knowledge.[23][24] James H. Jones, author of Alfred C. Kinsey: A Public/Private Life, and British psychiatrist Theodore Dalrymple, amongst others, have speculated that Kinsey was driven by his own sexual needs.[25]

Kinsey collected sexual material from around the world, which brought him to the attention of U.S. Customs when they seized some pornographic films in 1956; he died before this matter was resolved legally.[22]

Kinsey wrote about pre-adolescent orgasms using data in tables 30 to 34 of the male volume, which report observations of orgasms in over three-hundred children between the ages of five months and fourteen years.[26] This information was said to have come from adults' childhood memories, or from parent or teacher observation.[27] Kinsey said he also interviewed nine men who had sexual experiences with children, and who told him about the children's responses and reactions. Little attention was paid to this part of Kinsey's research at the time, but where Kinsey had gained this information began to be questioned nearly 40 years later.[28] It was later revealed that Kinsey used data from a single pedophile and presented it as being from various sources. Kinsey had seen the need for participant confidentiality and anonymity as necessary to gain "honest answers on such taboo subjects".[29][30] The Kinsey Institute wrote that the data on children in tables 31–34 came from one man's journal (started in 1917) and that the events concerned predated the Kinsey Reports.[30][31]

Jones wrote that Kinsey's sexual activity influenced his work, that he over-represented prisoners and prostitutes, classified some single people as "married",[32] and that he included a disproportionate number of homosexual men, which may have distorted his studies.[20][21] While he has been criticized for omitting African-Americans from his research,[33] his report on the human male includes numerous references to African American Participants.[33] Historian Vern Bullough explains that the data was later reinterpreted, excluding prisoners and data derived from an exclusively gay sample, and the results indicate that it does not appear to have skewed the data. Kinsey may have over-represented homosexuals, but Bullough considers that this may have been because homosexual behavior was stigmatized and needed to be better understood.[20][21] It was Paul Gebhard, in the 1970s, who removed all suspect data, and recalculated Kinsey's findings. He found only slight differences between the original and updated figures.[34]
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Zack Morris wrote:Those gay converters must be working!
Are you talking about readily accessible, free, pornography on the internet? ;)

"Gay Converters" is a euphemism I have not yet heard...... thanks Zack! :)
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monster_gardener wrote:
Or that Maybe The Numbers Were Inflated from the Start, as Kinsey seems to have sometimes :twisted: practiced fraud with his data.....
MG, thanks for the post!

Manipulate data to fool other people in order to obtain the result one wants..... people do stuff like that? Really? ;)

Is it possible that the Earth is not warming? That everyone in Japan was not killed by Fukushima radiation?

That would be nice. :)
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Some will feel discriminated :D

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It is not a significant difference. When you are dealing with a population registering over two standard deviations (insert MG pun here ;) ) beyond the mean this amount of perceived change is really error. Wake me up when the gay population breaks 7%.
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Simple Minded wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:
Or that Maybe The Numbers Were Inflated from the Start, as Kinsey seems to have sometimes :twisted: practiced fraud with his data.....
MG, thanks for the post!

Manipulate data to fool other people in order to obtain the result one wants..... people do stuff like that? Really? ;)

Is it possible that the Earth is not warming? That everyone in Japan was not killed by Fukushima radiation?

That would be nice. :)
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Nonc Hilaire wrote:It is not a significant difference. When you are dealing with a population registering over two standard deviations (insert MG pun here ;) ) beyond the mean this amount of perceived change is really error. Wake me up when the gay population breaks 7%.
Thank You VERY MUCH for your post, Nonc Hilaire.

And for the mention. ;)
registering over two standard deviations (insert MG pun here ;) )
Clever! ;)

Wake me up when the gay population breaks 7%.

Maybe Ancient Greece..... or Muslim Turkey......

Where it is said that a crowbar was/is needed to separate the Men from the Boyz.... :twisted:

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Or modern Southeast Asia, where you'd need a crowbar to separate the Christian white men from their ladyboys.
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Zack Morris wrote:Or modern Southeast Asia, where you'd need a crowbar to separate the Christian white men from their ladyboys.
And how do you know that?
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Doc wrote:
Zack Morris wrote:Or modern Southeast Asia, where you'd need a crowbar to separate the Christian white men from their ladyboys.
And how do you know that?
Are you accusing me of being Christian?
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Zack Morris wrote:
Doc wrote:
Zack Morris wrote:Or modern Southeast Asia, where you'd need a crowbar to separate the Christian white men from their ladyboys.
And how do you know that?
Are you accusing me of being Christian?
No But maybe a homophobic. Why would you go to the trouble of using a crowbar to separate them otherwise? :P
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Doc wrote:
Zack Morris wrote:
Doc wrote:
Zack Morris wrote:Or modern Southeast Asia, where you'd need a crowbar to separate the Christian white men from their ladyboys.
And how do you know that?
Are you accusing me of being Christian?
No But maybe a homophobic. Why would you go to the trouble of using a crowbar to separate them otherwise? :P
In a case of "penis captivus", I suppose.

Otherwise "Why can't I own a Canadian?" needs a "Why can't I own a Thai Ladydboy?" version.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote:It is not a significant difference. When you are dealing with a population registering over two standard deviations (insert MG pun here ;) ) beyond the mean this amount of perceived change is really error. Wake me up when the gay population breaks 7%.
Bingo.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:Gallup produced a 3.4% figger more than once, now we're down to 2% range. I think there are more OCD cases out there.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/ ... story.html
Less than 3 percent of the U.S. population identify themselves as gay, lesbian or bisexual, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Tuesday in the first large-scale government survey measuring Americans’ sexual orientation.

The National Health Interview Survey, which is the government’s premier tool for annually assessing Americans’ health and behaviors, found that 1.6 percent of adults self-identify as gay or lesbian, and 0.7 percent consider themselves bisexual.
Remarkable that ~ 3% of the population can generate so many headlines and such polarization.
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1% of Motorcyclists & the Castro Street Gay Pride Parade

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Typhoon wrote:
Mr. Perfect wrote:Gallup produced a 3.4% figger more than once, now we're down to 2% range. I think there are more OCD cases out there.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/ ... story.html
Less than 3 percent of the U.S. population identify themselves as gay, lesbian or bisexual, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Tuesday in the first large-scale government survey measuring Americans’ sexual orientation.

The National Health Interview Survey, which is the government’s premier tool for annually assessing Americans’ health and behaviors, found that 1.6 percent of adults self-identify as gay or lesbian, and 0.7 percent consider themselves bisexual.
Remarkable that ~ 3% of the population can generate so many headlines and such polarization.
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Remarkable that ~ 3% of the population can generate so many headlines and such polarization.
Maybe Not ;) :twisted: :roll:

Remembering that less than 1% of Motorcyclists ;) :twisted: :roll: too often give motorcyclists in general their edgy reputation...... :shock: :twisted: :lol: :roll:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlaw_mot ... _percenter

Especially true for the headlines.... :idea:

If it bleeds or similar.....
It leads....

WARNING Link maybe NSFW.....

Castro Street Gay Pride Parade.....

https://www.google.com/search?q=castro+ ... e&tbm=isch

Also should be remembered that if the population is large.....

Even 1% or 3% of it is a large number......
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Typhoon wrote:Image
this is my word, and as such, is beyond contestation....

not only that, but historically accurate!
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Typhoon wrote: Remarkable that ~ 3% of the population can generate so many headlines and such polarization.
That would be remarkably naive on your part.
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And the number keeps dropping, now down to 1.6%

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... g-Only-1-6
Gay leaders are expressing alarm at the just-released numbers from the Center for Disease Control that place the percentage of Americans identifying as homosexual at only 1.6% of the adult population.
Most Americans believe the population of gays is exponentially larger. For almost half a century, Americans believed a number produced by disgraced sex researcher Alfred Kinsey, who claimed 10% of the population was gay. In recent years, Gallup found that a majority of adults believe the percentage of gays in the population is 25%. The same poll found younger people put the figure at 30%.
Wonder why that is. I wonder.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:
Typhoon wrote: Remarkable that ~ 3% of the population can generate so many headlines and such polarization.
That would be remarkably naive on your part.
Possibly. I'm not up to date on every conspiracy theory.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:And the number keeps dropping, now down to 1.6%

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... g-Only-1-6
Gay leaders are expressing alarm at the just-released numbers from the Center for Disease Control that place the percentage of Americans identifying as homosexual at only 1.6% of the adult population.
1.6 +/- 0.9%

A survey number without the associated error estimate is meaningless.

The press and others will, as usual, make a big deal of the mean central value without understanding.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr077.pdf

[For the sake of illustration only, suppose another previous study reported 3.0 +/- 1.5%, then the difference between the central values of the two studies is not statistically significant.]

Methodists?

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Mr. Perfect wrote:
Most Americans believe the population of gays is exponentially larger. For almost half a century, Americans believed a number produced by disgraced sex researcher Alfred Kinsey, who claimed 10% of the population was gay. In recent years, Gallup found that a majority of adults believe the percentage of gays in the population is 25%. The same poll found younger people put the figure at 30%.
Wonder why that is. I wonder.
It's the work of the illuminati under direction from our reptilian overloards.
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Typhoon wrote:
Mr. Perfect wrote:
Typhoon wrote: Remarkable that ~ 3% of the population can generate so many headlines and such polarization.
That would be remarkably naive on your part.
Possibly. I'm not up to date on every conspiracy theory.
You don't have to be, there is no conspiracy.
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Typhoon wrote:
Mr. Perfect wrote:And the number keeps dropping, now down to 1.6%

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... g-Only-1-6
Gay leaders are expressing alarm at the just-released numbers from the Center for Disease Control that place the percentage of Americans identifying as homosexual at only 1.6% of the adult population.
1.6 +/- 0.9%

A survey number without the associated error estimate is meaningless.

The press and others will, as usual, make a big deal of the mean central value without understanding.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr077.pdf

[For the sake of illustration only, suppose another previous study reported 3.0 +/- 1.5%, then the difference between the central values of the two studies is not statistically significant.]

Methodists?
Point being the real number is about 10% or less of what pubic perception is.

It's the work of the illuminati under direction from our reptilian overloards.
No, liberals and seculars.
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Typhoon wrote:
Methodists?

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In the video, Korman is talking about the religious Methodists, but I think you are referring to the mathematical Methodists, right?

We are never going to solve this problem if we use language imprecisely (+/- a couple percent or two standard deviants).
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The Supreme Court Quietly Allows Same-Sex Marriage in 5 States
The justices declined to hear appeals of lower-court rulings that struck down marriage bans in Indiana, Utah, Oklahoma, Virginia, and Wisconsin.
With the addition of those states, same-sex nuptials are now legal in 30 states and the District of Columbia, and the court's ruling could clear the way for same-sex marriage across the country as the fast-moving gay rights movement gains momentum. The move was seen as a surprise, as many court-watchers expected the justices to at least consider the state appeals.
That's now a majority of US states, if memory serves.
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